Yasir Shah's 8/41 vs Devendra Bishoo's 8/49 - Which performance was better?

[Sachin136]

I'm inclined to go with Bishoo since it was against Pakistan in the UAE.

 

[ManFan]

I'm inclined to go with Bishoo since it was against Pakistan in the UAE.

But it didn’t get the job done.

Yasir’s was

1) on what everyone was calling a flat deck with no demons.
2) after a 50 opening partnership.
3) with the side 0-1 down after a narrow four run loss at home.
4) 8 balls fewer than Bishoo’s with a better ER.

Plus, he took his last 7 wickets for only 10 runs while Bishop took his last 7 wickets for 48.

 

[Sachin136]

But it didn’t get the job done.

Yasir’s was

1) on what everyone was calling a flat deck with no demons.
2) after a 50 opening partnership.
3) with the side 0-1 down after a narrow four run loss at home.
4) 8 balls fewer than Bishoo’s with a better ER.

Plus, he took his last 7 wickets for only 10 runs while Bishop took his last 7 wickets for 48.

For 1), that match was on a flat pitch too. Pakistan scored 579/3d in the first innings (with a triple from Azhar), and WI scored 357 (and 289 in the 4th innings), so getting Pakistan out for 123 was exceptional.

 

[topspin]

For 1), that match was on a flat pitch too. Pakistan scored 579/3d in the first innings (with a triple from Azhar), and WI scored 357 (and 289 in the 4th innings), so getting Pakistan out for 123 was exceptional.

If he had taken a 8-49 in Pakistan's first innings then this would be a worthy comparison.

However when you are trailing by 200+ runs, your wickets won't have much impact on your side's fortunes, also your approach changes and adjust your mindset knowing you have nothing to lose.

So no this is an awful comparison.

 

[giri26]

If he had taken a 8-49 in Pakistan's first innings then this would be a worthy comparison.

However when you are trailing by 200+ runs, your wickets won't have much impact on your side's fortunes, also your approach changes and adjust your mindset knowing you have nothing to lose.

So no this is an awful comparison.

We can spin this anyway but an overseas spinner bowling that kind of spell in Asia is always better than the home bowler. Bishoo's spell against that Pakistan batting line up in any circumstance is better than what Yasir did over the weekend. Yasir's spell was brilliant by the way but I will take Bishoo's spell. He was playing for a team which was supposed to lose, a weak team.

Like I would rate Nathan Lyon's 8/50 in India last year better than any spell Indian's bowled in that series.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

You wouldn't be asking if you watched Yasir's spell. No comparison. Yasir bowled at another level in that small period.

 

[Savak]

To be honest, Pakistan was extremely complacent in that second innings against WI. NZ were batting in their first innings when Yasir got those 8 wickets, there is a big difference in match situation and context, no comparison.

 

[the_outsider]

If he had taken a 8-49 in Pakistan's first innings then this would be a worthy comparison.

However when you are trailing by 200+ runs, your wickets won't have much impact on your side's fortunes, also your approach changes and adjust your mindset knowing you have nothing to lose.

So no this is an awful comparison.

But you're ignoring the two biggest points.

1. Bishoo was bowling to better players of spin on their home ground

2. WI was the weaker team

I'm not going to say which spell was better because honestly I didn't even watch Bishoo's spell. But it's certainly not "an awful comparison" by any means.

 

[Xoib]

Pakistan was very causal in the first half of that innings, that was more like declaration batting and there were soft dismissals Bishoo got on a role and the last 3-4 wickets were genuine great bowling.

 

[Usman Chadda]

Bishoo got cheap wickets. Yasir rammed through the NZ batting line-up. Zero contest.

 

[Justcrazy]

Yasir , without shade of doubt.

There was no bad shots , all quality balls. Great drift and length. Its was a very good performance .

 

[Last Monetarist]

Anyone who watched that match wouldn't be making this comparison, Pakistan relished their way to a collapse, as is their wont. Misbah chose not to inflict the follow-on because the bowlers needed a rest, and the batsmen didn't know whether to stick or twist. Bishoo happened to be the beneficiary, it could just as sooner have been Roston Chase if he was bowling instead.

To those saying that team had better players of spin are only emphasizing their ignorance, as the best player of spin in the team, Younis Khan, wasn't available for that test.

 

[Itachi]

I would pick bishoo. It was against better batsman who can play spin well and that too at their homeground. The beauty is that, the way he bowled made it look like cheap wickets but it was far from that.

 

[topspin]

We can spin this anyway but an overseas spinner bowling that kind of spell in Asia is always better than the home bowler. Bishoo's spell against that Pakistan batting line up in any circumstance is better than what Yasir did over the weekend. Yasir's spell was brilliant by the way but I will take Bishoo's spell. He was playing for a team which was supposed to lose, a weak team.

Like I would rate Nathan Lyon's 8/50 in India last year better than any spell Indian's bowled in that series.

Even if it comes at a time when you're team is in such strife? I don't think so.

As I said inevitably your mindset changes knowing you have nothing to lose, it's be able to do it when it counts where one can contribute towards a win or at least change the complexion of the game. Bishoo was unable to do it either, so under the circumstances it is no match for Yasir Shah's 8fer who was under a lot more pressure since his side was trailing 1-0 and wasted so much time just to score 400 odd.

 

[Chokli]

But you're ignoring the two biggest points.

1. Bishoo was bowling to better players of spin on their home ground

2. WI was the weaker team

I'm not going to say which spell was better because honestly I didn't even watch Bishoo's spell. But it's certainly not "an awful comparison" by any means.

UAE is not home ground

but regarding thread I agree

Bishoo no doubt better spell

 

[the_outsider]

UAE is not home ground

but regarding thread I agree

Bishoo no doubt better spell

Technically, yes. But UAE is definitely more of a home ground to PCT than it is to Windies.

But since I didn't see Bishoo's spell I didn't want to comment on the OP's question.

 

[Hasan123]

Yasir spell was much better.

 

[UN talkz]

We can spin this anyway but an overseas spinner bowling that kind of spell in Asia is always better than the home bowler. Bishoo's spell against that Pakistan batting line up in any circumstance is better than what Yasir did over the weekend. Yasir's spell was brilliant by the way but I will take Bishoo's spell. He was playing for a team which was supposed to lose, a weak team.

Like I would rate Nathan Lyon's 8/50 in India last year better than any spell Indian's bowled in that series.

Bhai, agree with your statement that overseas spinner performce has to be rated higher than home spinner.

But i guess you haven't watched Bishoo's spell, it was nothing special, it was disastrous batting display by Pak batsman, more like gifting away wkts rather than Bishoo taking wkts. You can check highlights of that spell or read commentary here(http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/...dies-1st-test-west-indies-tour-of-uae-2016-17) to get an idea abt it.

On the other hand, Yasir Shah's spell was easily one of the best spells of leg-spin bowling and easily the best in last decade. It was literally magic, he bamboozled NZ batsmen with classy leg-spin, even their best players of spin were clueless against him...

Bishoo's spell was nowhere close to this spell, Yasir's triple maiden over alone was better than Bishoo's whole spell.

 

[Arham_PakFan]

Bhai, agree with your statement that overseas spinner performce has to be rated higher than home spinner.

But i guess you haven't watched Bishoo's spell, it was nothing special, it was disastrous batting display by Pak batsman, more like gifting away wkts rather than Bishoo taking wkts. You can check highlights of that spell or read commentary here(http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/...dies-1st-test-west-indies-tour-of-uae-2016-17) to get an idea abt it.

On the other hand, Yasir Shah's spell was easily one of the best spells of leg-spin bowling and easily the best in last decade. It was literally magic, he bamboozled NZ batsmen with classy leg-spin, even their best players of spin were clueless against him...

Bishoo's spell was nowhere close to this spell, Yasir's triple maiden over alone was better than Bishoo's whole spell.

Agree with everything you said there.

Bishoo's wickets were due to Pak batsmen being incompetent and gifting them.

 

[barah_admi]

But it didn’t get the job done.

Yasir’s was

1) on what everyone was calling a flat deck with no demons.
2) after a 50 opening partnership.
3) with the side 0-1 down after a narrow four run loss at home.
4) 8 balls fewer than Bishoo’s with a better ER.

Plus, he took his last 7 wickets for only 10 runs while Bishop took his last 7 wickets for 48.

This sums it up perfectly. Both are great performances but one was match winning and possible series defining.

 

[Usman Chadda]

I would pick bishoo. It was against better batsman who can play spin well and that too at their homeground. The beauty is that, the way he bowled made it look like cheap wickets but it was far from that.

Bishoo's 8 wicket haul is probably the most worthless 8-fer in cricket history. IIRC Misbah got out slogging too

 

[Bhaijaan]

For those who understand real cricket this is a no brainier. Yasir obviously. He destroyed the kiwi batting single handedly on a slow and flat pitch. It’s already among the greatest spells of bowling ever right up there with Anbrose 1/7 and Kumble 74/10

 

[ARK Rafay]

Yasir Shah all the way. Those who are saying Bishoo is better don't want to admit Yasir was good.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Anyone who saw Bishoo's spell would know that was the easiest 8 wicket haul any bowler is ever likely to take. Pakistani batsmen literally gifted him their wickets and almost all were soft dismissals. Yasir's spell on the other hand was a touch of class.