Shadab for t20 captain works, Babar as ODI captain and maybe test too, unless we think Shan can play well (as well as he can for his standards) till 35?
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“Azhar Ali has got no runs in England and he’s just lost a game they should’ve won” : Nasser Hussain
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Shadab for t20 captain works, Babar as ODI captain and maybe test too, unless we think Shan can play well (as well as he can for his standards) till 35?
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My call would be Shan Masood post the England series.
Even Yasir Shah would be a decent interim option as he has the experience and imo the personality too, but you need to give time to Babar to get his act together in test cricket, don't give him the test captaincy without him actually finding his feet. He's no Graeme Smith, as someone rightly pointed out hes quiet and reserved, not the qualities you necessarily want from a leader of men.
No, neither Shan Masood nor anyone else can be skipper after the age of 33. (Paine is different due to the sandpaper affair and his own lost 7 years).
Far better batsmen - Viv Richards, Allan Border, Javed Miandad - went into sharp decline in their early thirties and ended up keeping better batsmen out of the team. Even Misbah delayed Babar Azam’s career by 2 years after his century against Mitchell Johnson.
Shan Masood as skipper has an End By date attached, and that date is June 2023 - the World Test Championship Final.
Alastair Cook is 9 weeks older than Azhar Ali.
He lost the captaincy in June 2017, aged 32 years and 6 months.
He retired from international cricket in September 2018, aged 33 years and 8 months.
Azhar Ali was already absolutely finished as a batsman by then. So he got promoted to the captaincy a year later, while Alastair Cook has spent the time getting knighted and becoming a commentator.
This Pakistani fetish for seniority is really destructive to their cricket team.
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Shan should be Captain.
I see your point, we do have an unhealthy trend of seniority - deemed a 'safer' bet which doesn't pay off. Babar it is for Test/ODI, Shadab for T20s.
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Why can he not step away? Lol. It’s not exactly a culture imbibed with integrity and nobility.
The problem with the ‘Now or Never’ notion about Shan Masood is that the idea will remain that he needs to be an automatic selection each time. Which means he needs at least a few 50+ scores or ideally a ton or two. Don’t see the mgmt. yielding otherwise and giving him the role soon. Is PAK tour of NZD going ahead?
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Majority of Pakistani cricket fans believe Azhar is finished and rightly so as he has been poor outside Asia since two three years. However, since he is going to play the next two matches, I will try to explain what he needs to do to score runs.
Firstly, in the beginning of the innings, he should try to leave everything outside the off-stump and most importantly not shuffle too much.
Secondly, he has to stop moving his head towards the leg side whenever the ball is pitched on the stumps. He has to bring the bat and head straight and hit the ball straight or towards mid on. Right now, he tries to hit the ball towards midwicket. Maybe, he just needs to forget that he has to make runs towards midwicket. He should only do so when ball is leg-sidish which are very rare loose balls. Otherwise he should play in the V and off-side. He can still score a 100 with these limitations if he makes these adjustments. His form of dismissal in last 2-3 years has been so similar that one still believes if he corrects this habit what will happen to his game.
I know majority believe that he is done but I just wanna see how does he perform if he adjusts his head position and tries to hit those balls straight. If he still fails he should just retire. I just wish that since he is going to play the next 2, somebody actually tells him this and works to adjust. This habit can be corrected quickly too for an innings if the person is steadfast and patient.
Firstly, in the beginning of the innings, he should try to leave everything outside the off-stump and most importantly not shuffle too much.
Secondly, he has to stop moving his head towards the leg side whenever the ball is pitched on the stumps. He has to bring the bat and head straight and hit the ball straight or towards mid on. Right now, he tries to hit the ball towards midwicket. Maybe, he just needs to forget that he has to make runs towards midwicket. He should only do so when ball is leg-sidish which are very rare loose balls. Otherwise he should play in the V and off-side. He can still score a 100 with these limitations if he makes these adjustments. His form of dismissal in last 2-3 years has been so similar that one still believes if he corrects this habit what will happen to his game.
I know majority believe that he is done but I just wanna see how does he perform if he adjusts his head position and tries to hit those balls straight. If he still fails he should just retire. I just wish that since he is going to play the next 2, somebody actually tells him this and works to adjust. This habit can be corrected quickly too for an innings if the person is steadfast and patient.
On his captaincy on the last day, the thing that stood out for me was how anxious he looked throughout. Anxiety was not only etched on his face but was reflected in his propensity to change the field placements to be more defensive when a boundary was struck even early in the innings.
When the captain seems anxious that feeling can spread through the team especially when the opposition begins to get the upper hand.
When the captain seems anxious that feeling can spread through the team especially when the opposition begins to get the upper hand.
You are asking too much bro. At this age, rectifying so many things is extremely tough, hence everyone is saying that Azhar time is up. The best thing to do for him is to come down to number 5, and let someone like Imam play at 3, to gain experience. He might not do as bad as Azhar, and this 2 match will give him experience for future endeavors. Problem is dropping Asad who was much better than Azhar at this point at least.
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We know that Azhar is going to play the next 2 matches and fail if he stays the same. His dismissals will be mostly lbw or bowled with that head position. He was always a patient and limited cricketer who used to somehow score the runs that mattered. He needs to go back and replicate on that. Just one small thing forget midwicket and hit all balls on the stumps towards straight or mid on. Keep long on open for leg sidish rare bad delivery but play straight. Many cricketers do that on tough pitches and his whole career success was based upon patience and hardwork. He should try atleast because he is going to be a walking wicket otherwise because England know his weakness really well and they will bowl on the stumps.
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I know Hussain is popular here for whatever reason but he is just playing to the gallery and keeping it safe with statements like “Babar Azam belongs in Fab 4” “Azhar Ali lost the game” etc because those are easy statements to make. He sounds more like an arm chair online poster than an ex captain-player and professional analyst/commentator with these rhetorical statements.
Azhar Ali as a batsman has failed that is self explanatory but as a captain he was ok when Pak got 300+, He was good when he got his team a 100+ lead, He was alright when he put up a nearly 300 run total, he was going great when Pakistan had England at 100’odd for 5 but then one good partnership between 2 more than competent players takes place and now Azhar gets all the blame? That’s such a thoughtless statement.
The match was lost because of 2 reasons- A fighting and clutch back to the wall knock by Butler and Woakes. The bowling that picked the first 5 wickets fizzled out later bowling harmless full length 125-135K deliveries with no swing and 1 out of the 2 spinners not even spinning his stock ball.
Either Hussain is rubbing it in or He is just making statements for the heck of it.
Azhar Ali as a batsman has failed that is self explanatory but as a captain he was ok when Pak got 300+, He was good when he got his team a 100+ lead, He was alright when he put up a nearly 300 run total, he was going great when Pakistan had England at 100’odd for 5 but then one good partnership between 2 more than competent players takes place and now Azhar gets all the blame? That’s such a thoughtless statement.
The match was lost because of 2 reasons- A fighting and clutch back to the wall knock by Butler and Woakes. The bowling that picked the first 5 wickets fizzled out later bowling harmless full length 125-135K deliveries with no swing and 1 out of the 2 spinners not even spinning his stock ball.
Either Hussain is rubbing it in or He is just making statements for the heck of it.
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Azhar Ali is too soft/introverted to be the captain. He doesn't seem like an inspiring figure.
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Dhoni is an introvert. The Bangladesh captain who is a useless player but a good leader also comes across as a soft introverted guy but he is a good leader. There is nothing wrong with being soft spoken and introverted. If not Shoaib Akthar would have been the greatest captain of all time.
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Dhoni is a cunning fox. Azhar is not.
Which Bangladeshi captain are you talking about? They all are bad. LOL. Only Shakib and Mashrafe are great captains and they are not introverted. They are very busy captains.
Captain needs to be inspiring. Azhar Ali is not inspiring.
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Mashrafe and good point on Shakib, he is an attacking cricketer and seems like an extrovert but he is not a great captain as far as I have known or seen.
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Eoin Morgan, MSD, Steve Waugh are/were all introverts but still brilliant leaders.
You can talk less and can still be inspiring.
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When I mean introvert, I mean someone who is not being busy.
Morgan is a very active captain. He constantly talks with bowlers and always seems busy. That's what I meant.
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Main issue is that he's a tailender in SENA conditions. If he was able to have made a significant contribution with the bat, Pak would likely have won the Test.
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I don't know how any sensible management team would persist with Azhar as captain after this series (or even before tbh) and it's probably in Azhar's best interest to give it up as well. At least that way he can try and argue that it was captaincy dragging his form down and maybe retain his place in the side as a batsmen. His unfortunate stint as an ODI captain showed that he didn't have any ability in that role and I don't know why the PCB thought he would cut it in Tests which are even more demanding. If he was chosen because they didn't think they had anyone else than they should've spent the last couple years grooming potential replacements which they obviously haven't done.
At this point it would be a massive risk to give Babar the captaincy given that he's just establishing himself in tests. Since he is the white ball captain though we should have an idea of his abilities as a captain in a year or two by which time he should have established himself in test cricket. What we need is someone who can get us through that transition period and the only real candidate for me is Shan. I was impressed by his captaincy in the PSL and he seems to be someone who enjoys that aspect of the game.
At this point it would be a massive risk to give Babar the captaincy given that he's just establishing himself in tests. Since he is the white ball captain though we should have an idea of his abilities as a captain in a year or two by which time he should have established himself in test cricket. What we need is someone who can get us through that transition period and the only real candidate for me is Shan. I was impressed by his captaincy in the PSL and he seems to be someone who enjoys that aspect of the game.
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Azhar Ali is a rubbish captain. But you are right about Nasser playing for the gallery. I do not understand why he does this when Pakistan are playing.
The Babar comments about the IPL were so random and uncalled for.
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Yes Azhar might be a poor captain but putting the blame solely on him for this loss is wrong.
Pakistani fans won't criticize Babar+bowlers,
They obviously can't criticize- Shaan and Yasir after their performances.
The rest like Rizwan, Shadab,Abid etc are not that significant.
Misbah/YK/Waqar are big names with huge fan following.
So the easiest guy to throw under the bus without expecting a backlash from Pakistan fans who have a soft spot for him is Azhar Ali.
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Pakistan is stuck between a rock and a hard place as there is no clesr cut alternative to the captaincy
Shan Masood is ideal as a stop gap for babar to take over in 2 years time but is shan masood a permanent fixture now form wise for the next 2 yrs?
Id give it shan if azhar continues to fail this series
Shan Masood is ideal as a stop gap for babar to take over in 2 years time but is shan masood a permanent fixture now form wise for the next 2 yrs?
Id give it shan if azhar continues to fail this series
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Why Indians are hurt that nasser Hussain like Pakistani team.indians should keep quiet.He is speaking the truth.Azhar is awful in both the aspects of game.He should be kicked as soon as possible.
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Nasser knows what the Pakistan fans want to hear. I have seen on Twitter our fans lap it up when he praises.
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That's what he will repeat saying after the 3rd test match.
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He could probably use that excuse for all his pathetic Inns and his brilliant average of 12 outside of Asia in last 3 years. Nothing more then a night watchmen batting at 3 right now.
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He's due a hundred.
If the team management had any sense at all (which they quite clearly don't) this should be the last time he plays for Pakistan. Should be put out to pasture permanently along with Asad.
If the team management had any sense at all (which they quite clearly don't) this should be the last time he plays for Pakistan. Should be put out to pasture permanently along with Asad.
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