“Pakistan lost against the USA in T20 World Cup because of no unity”: Azhar Ali

[emranabbas]

USA were 36 in 5 odd overs and your logic fails right there. A team is made up of 11 players each to play a part.

USA as a whole played better. Rauf & Amir bowled poorly at the end. Cut it now

How did shaheen shadab and ifikhar bowled?

 

[ads101]

Babar made a big mistake by not asking Fakhar to take strike on the day. Instead it was Iftikhar who can hit big but takes time to get going.

Fakhar can’t hit from the start. He can’t even properly time the ball let alone hit early on. This is why he’s inconsistent in ODIs, and has not done well in t20s. He struggles with pace early on. Great player, but he’s got a major flaw in his game. I’m not sure he can even do anything about it, just got to accept what he is.

The only ones in recent memory who I saw who can be comfortable early against pace and hit are Sharjeel khan and Umar akmal. And out of the two, Sharjeel is far better. You can see he has the same natural ability that a lot of these foreign openers people rave about. Effortless power, good hand eye coordination, comfortable at the crease early on. Maybe Saim has it, but for most of his t20s he didn’t look like it just swinging and missing. I think he is a very good player and capable of playing at a fast strike rate, but I don’t think he’s the same sort of power player Sharjeel and Umar were, though he’s a better allround batsman than both, and still he should be opening. Haris a lot of the time just looks like he’s swinging the kitchen sink at it, it doesn’t look like he times it as well.

In that super over situation, I don’t think we have anyone suited. Even I’m sure Umar akmal will crumble under the pressure. Sharjeel destroyed his career by fixing and fitness didn’t help. Umar akmal just deteriorated both as a player and fitness. I actually think Azam has some ability, some of hitting does look rather clean though he’s more of a Lower order player, yet at that fitness he’s not even worth considering for internationals.

I just don’t think we have these players out there in domestic, which is why we suffer. I don’t think we’ve had a single great batsman in t20 history. Thats damning. And yes I’d rather take Babar and Rizwan putting up a stand at a decent average, than players who get out cheaply at similarly poor strike rates.

I think the solution is to have more PSL teams and get Pakistanis playing as openers. Let’s see who can develop into that ideal player. I think sometimes bringing in foreign players to play those opening roles often make the franchises stronger which is why many teams do it, but it does mean that we will struggle to develop better openers as a result.

 

[Rana]

USA were 36 in 5 odd overs and your logic fails right there. A team is made up of 11 players each to play a part.

USA as a whole played better. Rauf & Amir bowled poorly at the end. Cut it now

Cut what out? Amir bowled poor at the end? During the match?

You said Babar and Rizwan are doing a grand job for Pakistan and now you want to tell people to cut it out?

 

[daytrader]

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This was the thread where you justified babar being able to hit 6 4's in a super over and you backtracked here saying it was only hypothetical.

But you outright admitted that hypothetically babar can hit 6 4's in a super over.

It's unfortunate that I can't find the first conversation so you can continue to rat.

Anyway I posted this here. Let's hear the excuses or new narratives now.

I bet you're gonna say something like

But but but, I used the word hypothetically here and babar hit more then 24 vs Ireland or some sort of nonsense.

The image you sent, you DELIBERATELY did not include a date. This post was from May 2024, whereas our conversation about the super over started in March 2024. You can refer to the Babar potential thread.

 

[mominsaigol]

The image you sent, you DELIBERATELY did not include a date. This post was from May 2024, whereas our conversation about the super over started in March 2024. You can refer to the Babar potential thread.

It wasn't deliberately. The Ireland game happened way way after March and the text I sent was from that time period.

I even told you I can't find the earliest conversation aka babar can hit 6 4's in a super over but I will eventually find it since you'll be ratting.

The purpose of this image was to prove that you yourself acknowledged that

A) You made the Babar 6 4's in a super over claim.

B) You later argued it being hypothetical and advocated for Babar hitting more them 24 runs in a over and even when I pointed out the ground was 50M only, you argued it didn't matter and ignored my point.

^^ This picture is evidence and proof that you admitted to making the 6 4's claim that you are now denying.

 

[mominsaigol]

So you were setting yourself up for the super over humiliation for much longer than we know basically?

I remember that conversation distinctly.

You argued that Babar doesn't loft much and can't hit a 6 so what will he do in a super over.

@daytrader argued that Babar has a solid 4 conversion rate so he can just hit 6 4's in a super over since his 4 conversion rate is higher then the rest.

That's how it all started. No point in denying it when people remember and it's why I sent the image. He admitted to it and the image is his confession.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Fakhar can’t hit from the start. He can’t even properly time the ball let alone hit early on. This is why he’s inconsistent in ODIs, and has not done well in t20s. He struggles with pace early on. Great player, but he’s got a major flaw in his game. I’m not sure he can even do anything about it, just got to accept what he is.

The only ones in recent memory who I saw who can be comfortable early against pace and hit are Sharjeel khan and Umar akmal. And out of the two, Sharjeel is far better. You can see he has the same natural ability that a lot of these foreign openers people rave about. Effortless power, good hand eye coordination, comfortable at the crease early on. Maybe Saim has it, but for most of his t20s he didn’t look like it just swinging and missing. I think he is a very good player and capable of playing at a fast strike rate, but I don’t think he’s the same sort of power player Sharjeel and Umar were, though he’s a better allround batsman than both, and still he should be opening. Haris a lot of the time just looks like he’s swinging the kitchen sink at it, it doesn’t look like he times it as well.

In that super over situation, I don’t think we have anyone suited. Even I’m sure Umar akmal will crumble under the pressure. Sharjeel destroyed his career by fixing and fitness didn’t help. Umar akmal just deteriorated both as a player and fitness. I actually think Azam has some ability, some of hitting does look rather clean though he’s more of a Lower order player, yet at that fitness he’s not even worth considering for internationals.

I just don’t think we have these players out there in domestic, which is why we suffer. I don’t think we’ve had a single great batsman in t20 history. Thats damning. And yes I’d rather take Babar and Rizwan putting up a stand at a decent average, than players who get out cheaply at similarly poor strike rates.

I think the solution is to have more PSL teams and get Pakistanis playing as openers. Let’s see who can develop into that ideal player. I think sometimes bringing in foreign players to play those opening roles often make the franchises stronger which is why many teams do it, but it does mean that we will struggle to develop better openers as a result.

All true. Unsure about Sharjeel he is overhyped but Umar was lethal against spin.

All I mean is after the humiliation from Amir then if Babar and Rizwan weren't going to face ,Fakhar should have faced ball one.

 

[Kianig89]

Somebody send a psychiatric here, Superover superfluous discussion.

Plain and Simple no Almonds required to think on it.

Amir bowled a garbage super over and basically the last chance to save the game was spilt there.

 

[gazza619]

How did shaheen shadab and ifikhar bowled?

Poorly then the USA bowlers.

 

[hassan918]

How did shaheen shadab and ifikhar bowled?

They went for 70 runs in their 8 overs together and none of them picked up a wicket.

 

[Jazx]

It was not lack of unity, infact it was due to the-

-Worst last over bowled by haris against a minnow.

-Worst super over bowled by amir.

-Worst fielding display by whole team.

-Worst captaincy display and decision making.

And in the end when they were chasing 18 in super over, chacha was facing the first ball instead of fakhar against the left arm pacer leaving him at the non strikers end till the end. This match was the worst performance of pakistan in their cricket history in terms of quality of cricket and decision making.

 

[shaz619]

Ignoring everything else, who would even give Azhar an interview, he has about as much charisma as a sack of Asda potatoes. He just looks like the sort of bloke that you want to rough up a bit.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

We lost because of bottling the game against India and a bit against USA too.

 

[Rana]

We lost because of bottling the game against India and a bit against USA too.

You don’t just turn up and bottle a game against USA when you’ve been asking for it for ages in the lead up.

 

[topspin]

Ignoring everything else, who would even give Azhar an interview, he has about as much charisma as a sack of Asda potatoes. He just looks like the sort of bloke that you want to rough up a bit.

Just like all of Misbah's pets. Asad Shafiq is another one that comes to mind.

 

[hassan918]

It was not lack of unity, infact it was due to the-

-Worst last over bowled by haris against a minnow.

-Worst super over bowled by amir.

-Worst fielding display by whole team.

-Worst captaincy display and decision making.

And in the end when they were chasing 18 in super over, chacha was facing the first ball instead of fakhar against the left arm pacer leaving him at the non strikers end till the end. This match was the worst performance of pakistan in their cricket history in terms of quality of cricket and decision making.

And they sent Shadab in the super over to bat. Surely, there were better options than him in the team. Poor Fakhar left stranded at the non-striker end.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

the t20 2024 team was the most fractured Pakistani team since the 2010-11 Australian tour team.

Even then, it gives no excuse to lose to USA (first letting the game go to the super over and then losing it there)
Our t20 team is still pathetic considering how we have lost majority of the matches in last year and a half.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Stay on topic guys

 

[BouncerGuy]

Stay on topic guys

AGAIN