“India is our country. It belongs to Mahmood Madani as much as it belongs to Narendra Modi"

[MenInG]

Maulana Mahmood Madani said he is against forced religious conversions, but today, people who are converting their religion voluntarily are also being sent to jail on false charges.

Maulana Mahmood Madani, the president of Jamiat Ulama-i-Hind, claimed that Islam is the oldest religion in India and the country belongs to him as much as Prime Minister Narendra Modi and Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS) chief Mohan Bhagwat, news agency ANI reported.

“India is our country. This country belongs to Mahmood Madani as much as it belongs to Narendra Modi and Mohan Bhagwat. Neither Mahmood is an inch ahead of them nor are they one inch ahead of Mahmood,” Madani said at the inaugural plenary session of Jamiat Ulama-i-Hind at Ramlila Maidan in the national capital on Friday.

“Islam is the oldest religion in this country. This land is the first homeland of Muslims. Saying that Islam is a religion that came from outside is totally wrong and baseless. Islam is the oldest religion among all religions. India is the best country for Hindi Muslims,” the Jamiat Ulama-i-Hind head said.

Madani said he is against forced religious conversions, adding that today people who are converting their religion voluntarily are also being sent to jail on false charges.

"We are against religious conversion driven forcibly. Freedom of religion is a fundamental right. We are also against conversion by force, fraud and greed. There are many examples of agencies targeting the Muslim community, such as the ban on Namaz, police action on them, and bulldozer action," he added.

The three-day plenary session of Jamiat Ulama-i-Hind began on Friday in Delhi. The plenary session of the event will take place on Sunday.

The prominent Muslim body also flagged the alleged rise in Islamophobia and demanded that a separate law be enacted to specifically punish those who incite violence against minorities.

The organisation passed several resolutions, including one on the alleged rise in the hate campaign and Islamophobia in the country.

"The rise in Islamophobia, besides cases of hatred and incitement against the Muslims community, has increased to an alarming level in our country, in the recent past," the Jaimiat alleged.

"The most regrettable point is that though the government is aware of these developments, it prefers to adopt an ostrich-like approach," it alleged.

(With inputs from ANI, PTI)

 

[KB]

We might say that Maulana Mahmood Madani is trying to keep alive the spirit of his grandfather, Maulana Hussain Ahmad Madani (1879-1957).

The senior Madani was a prominent alim of Deoband, perhaps only second to Maulana Ashraf Ali Thanwi (1863-1943) in terms of influence within the Deobandi school of thought.

Hussain Ahmad Madani was vociferous, and at times vituperative, opponent of Jinnah the Muslim League and a strong supporter of muttahida qawmiyyat - ‘united nationalism’.

In his words: “By the concept of united nationalism, we mean the same idea which the Messenger of Allah, prayers and peace be on Him, set down as a principle among the people of Medina…No one will interfere in the religious affairs of another, and all the peoples who live in India will be free to adhere to their religion and fulfil its commandments.”

In his mind it was to be an India of federal communities, or in Peter Hardy’s words, a sort of ‘jurisprudential apartheid’.

 

[MenInG]

Several religious leaders walked off the stage from the 34th General Session of Jamiat Ulama-I-Hind, after the President of the organisation Syed Arshad Madani made a controversial speech.
Jain Muni, Acharya Lokesh Muni, who was also present on the stage expressed displeasure with Madani's remarks and said, "We only agree with living in harmony, but all the story regarding, Om, Allah, and Manu is all rubbish. He (Madani) completely spoiled the atmosphere of the session."

"The stories he said, I can narrate even bigger stories than that. I would even request him (Madani) to come for a discussion with me, or even I can come to meet him in Saharanpur," he said.

He added by saying, "It should be remembered that the first Jain Tirthankar was Rishabh, and his sons were Bharata and Bahubali, on whose name this country 'Bharat' was named. You can't erase this. We don't agree with those statements."

Earlier in the day, the President of Jamiat Ulama I Hind, Syed Arshad Madani sparked controversy by saying when he "asked the Dharma Gurus that when there was no one, neither Shri Ram nor Brahma nor Shiva, then whom did Manu worship?"

He added, "Some told me that they used to worship 'Om'. I said that it is the 'Om' only, that we refer to as Allah, those speaking Farsi refer as 'Khuda' and those speaking English refer as 'God'."

"This means that there is only one Om or Allah, and both are same, and it is the only thing Manu used to worship. There was no Shiv, no Brahma, but only one Om and Allah that was worshipped," Mr Madani said.

Addressing the session, Mr Madani also said, "Hindus and Muslims have been living in the country like brothers for around 1400 years, and we have never forcedly converted anyone into Islam."

"It is only under the BJP government that we heard that 20 crore Muslims should be sent home. By sending them home, they meant converting them to Hindus. These people don't know anything about India's history," he added.

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[PakLFC]

He was the one telling Purvez Musharraf how wonderful India is for Muslim's. This guy is prone to making the most absurd remarks. This nutcase also claims that India is the birthplace of Islam to kiss the behind of the RSS.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

I am India’s Imran…': Why this speech by Congress Rajya Sabha MP Imran Pratapgarhi is going viral

 

[Stewie]

Isnt hinduism the oldest religion of the region? and Islam did not start in HINDUSTAN, what is this guy talking about?

 

[PakLFC]

Isnt hinduism the oldest religion of the region? and Islam did not start in HINDUSTAN, what is this guy talking about?

That is a myth propagated by Hindu fundo's. Islam is the oldest faith on the planet when we understand that Adam(as) was the first Prophet of Islam as well as the first person on earth. Most non Muslim's wrongly think Rasool Ullah(saw) was the founder of Islam when surely he was not that. As Muslim's know Rasool Ullah(saw) were the final Prophet of Islam.

 

[SalimBhai]

That is a myth propagated by Hindu fundo's. Islam is the oldest faith on the planet when we understand that Adam(as) was the first Prophet of Islam as well as the first person on earth. Most non Muslim's wrongly think Rasool Ullah(saw) was the founder of Islam when surely he was not that. As Muslim's know Rasool Ullah(saw) were the final Prophet of Islam.

With all due respect, there is ZERO evidence what you are claiming. Now it's your belief, and belief is without proof, its faith based. But Zero evidence what you are saying.

 

[Kriketer]

With all due respect, there is ZERO evidence what you are claiming. Now it's your belief, and belief is without proof, its faith based. But Zero evidence what you are saying.

This is just a matter of belief and that's what our religion tells us and what we believe in. Adam was the first prophet and Muhammad the last. I mean there is a reason why various prophets played a key role in other abrahamic religion so when you say zero evidence, that is rather naive as those are all documented in various versions. Whatever you are trying to claim with zero evidence has no ground either. Religion doesn't need to run on facts and evidence to proof things, or else why would anyone believe in hereafter and the unseen diety concept? Although facts and evidence are all there for the believers to see, feel and observe.

 

[kumjsr]

That is a myth propagated by Hindu fundo's. Islam is the oldest faith on the planet when we understand that Adam(as) was the first Prophet of Islam as well as the first person on earth. Most non Muslim's wrongly think Rasool Ullah(saw) was the founder of Islam when surely he was not that. As Muslim's know Rasool Ullah(saw) were the final Prophet of Islam.

When was Adam born?

Adam wasn't first person as per Hindus.

 

[PakLFC]

When was Adam born?

Adam wasn't first person as per Hindus.

I don't know who the first person is according to vedic religions. In Abrahamic faiths he indeed was and a Muslim too. For us Islam is indeed the oldest faith. Muhammad(saw) was not the founder of Islam.

 

[daytrader]

"Tipu's Son Siddaramaiah Will Come...": Karnataka Minister Sparks Row
CN Ashwath Narayan on his part said, his statement was not personally directed at Siddaramaiah and in case the Congress legislature party leader is hurt, he will express regret.

Senior Congress leader Siddaramaiah on Thursday accused Karnataka Minister CN Ashwath Narayan of trying to 'instigate' people to kill him as he took exception to the latter's statement that he should be "knocked out and sent off" like the 18th century ruler of erstwhile Mysuru Kingdom, Tipu Sultan.
He urged Chief Minister Basavaraj Bommai to immediately initiate action against CN Ashwath Narayan by sacking him from the cabinet.

The Leader of Opposition in the state assembly was referring to Ashwath Narayan's recent remark in Mandya while targeting him.

"Tipu's son Siddaramaiah will come.... Do you want Tipu or Savarkar? Where should we send Tipu Sultan? What did Uri Gowda and Nanje Gowda do? In the same way he should be knocked out and sent off," Mr Narayan had said.

A section in the old Mysuru belt claims that Tipu did not die fighting the British, but was killed by two Vokkaliga chieftains Uri Gowda and Nanje Gowda, which has been disputed by some historians.

Mr Narayan on his part said, his statement was not personally directed at Siddaramaiah and in case the Congress legislature party leader is hurt, he will express regret.

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https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/kar...ah-will-come-3787468#pfrom=home-ndtv_bigstory

 

[kumjsr]

I don't know who the first person is according to vedic religions. In Abrahamic faiths he indeed was and a Muslim too. For us Islam is indeed the oldest faith. Muhammad(saw) was not the founder of Islam.

Ok, so beliefs of one religion are fact and beliefs of other religions are myth.

Is calling others' beliefs myth essential part of your beliefs?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

"Tipu's Son Siddaramaiah Will Come...": Karnataka Minister Sparks Row
CN Ashwath Narayan on his part said, his statement was not personally directed at Siddaramaiah and in case the Congress legislature party leader is hurt, he will express regret.

Senior Congress leader Siddaramaiah on Thursday accused Karnataka Minister CN Ashwath Narayan of trying to 'instigate' people to kill him as he took exception to the latter's statement that he should be "knocked out and sent off" like the 18th century ruler of erstwhile Mysuru Kingdom, Tipu Sultan.
He urged Chief Minister Basavaraj Bommai to immediately initiate action against CN Ashwath Narayan by sacking him from the cabinet.

The Leader of Opposition in the state assembly was referring to Ashwath Narayan's recent remark in Mandya while targeting him.

"Tipu's son Siddaramaiah will come.... Do you want Tipu or Savarkar? Where should we send Tipu Sultan? What did Uri Gowda and Nanje Gowda do? In the same way he should be knocked out and sent off," Mr Narayan had said.

A section in the old Mysuru belt claims that Tipu did not die fighting the British, but was killed by two Vokkaliga chieftains Uri Gowda and Nanje Gowda, which has been disputed by some historians.

Mr Narayan on his part said, his statement was not personally directed at Siddaramaiah and in case the Congress legislature party leader is hurt, he will express regret.

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https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/kar...ah-will-come-3787468#pfrom=home-ndtv_bigstory

Why do Hindutvas hate Tipu Sultan? My mother told me he was a great hero of Indian resistance against the British, and he died fighting them? Is it because Hindus supported the British Raj against the resistance to British rule?

 

[Stewie]

That is a myth propagated by Hindu fundo's. Islam is the oldest faith on the planet when we understand that Adam(as) was the first Prophet of Islam as well as the first person on earth. Most non Muslim's wrongly think Rasool Ullah(saw) was the founder of Islam when surely he was not that. As Muslim's know Rasool Ullah(saw) were the final Prophet of Islam.

I will stand by what I said and no its not a myth. Let us be mature about this particular aspect and discuss it in the light of universally accepted norms based in known history. Islam did not exist in the way we know it before Prophet Muhammad (PBUH), while we as muslims might believe it did. Even in the region we know as the Indian subcontinent, Hinduism is much much ancient than even Judaism from what i understand so if you consider Judaism as the earliest known version of Islam, hinduism predates it in the region because as far as I know, there were no Jews in India.
For the sake of reational argument and debate, we assume Islam started in the 7th century AD because thats what is in history majority of the non Muslim world believes and thats whats academically correct.

With that said, I still dont understand why this dude is claiming Islam originated from India. LOL

 

[kumjsr]

Why do Hindutvas hate Tipu Sultan? My mother told me he was a great hero of Indian resistance against the British, and he died fighting them? Is it because Hindus supported the British Raj against the resistance to British rule?

It's because he was involved in targeted murder and conversion of Hindus. His campaigns were not just for expansion, but also against Hindus for their faith.

It's ok if you think that he was doing great for his faith and those religious brutalities are irrelevant because victims were non-believers.

 

[Champ_Pal]

Islam is only 1400 years old.

Vedic religion, Jainism and Buddhism are 2500-3000 years old.

If we have to go for oldest extinct religions, then the Canaanite religion is right up there with Mithraism and Vedic religion.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Why do Hindutvas hate Tipu Sultan? My mother told me he was a great hero of Indian resistance against the British, and he died fighting them? Is it because Hindus supported the British Raj against the resistance to British rule?

Basically if he was Tipu Sharma or Tipu Singh they would have a different opinion.

 

[topspin]

Why do Hindutvas hate Tipu Sultan? My mother told me he was a great hero of Indian resistance against the British, and he died fighting them? Is it because Hindus supported the British Raj against the resistance to British rule?

It's a good restaurant in Birmingham.

 

[Champ_Pal]

Basically if he was Tipu Sharma or Tipu Singh they would have a different opinion.

Tipu Sultan committed atrocities against locals. They were against his tyrannical rule and welcomed his demise.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Tipu Sultan committed atrocities against locals. They were against his tyrannical rule and welcomed his demise.

Who didn't in India?

 

[AamchiMumbaikar]

Who didn't in India?

He did based on religion, that was the only difference.

 

[PakLFC]

Ok, so beliefs of one religion are fact and beliefs of other religions are myth.

Is calling others' beliefs myth essential part of your beliefs?

The good news is that you can also call other religions "myths" as well!. Naturally if a person believes in their faith as being the one true belief then others are myths or a combination of truth and falsehood. So who is the first person on earth according to Hinduism?

 

[PakLFC]

I will stand by what I said and no its not a myth. Let us be mature about this particular aspect and discuss it in the light of universally accepted norms based in known history. Islam did not exist in the way we know it before Prophet Muhammad (PBUH), while we as muslims might believe it did. Even in the region we know as the Indian subcontinent, Hinduism is much much ancient than even Judaism from what i understand so if you consider Judaism as the earliest known version of Islam, hinduism predates it in the region because as far as I know, there were no Jews in India.
For the sake of reational argument and debate, we assume Islam started in the 7th century AD because thats what is in history majority of the non Muslim world believes and thats whats academically correct.

With that said, I still dont understand why this dude is claiming Islam originated from India. LOL

The fundamentals of Islam did exist during the early days. Isa(as) made prayer like Muslim's and fasted as well that was later officially taught by Muhammad(saw) as being Islam. To perfect the faith SAW did introduce a few things as well that were unknown at the time. If Islam was changed in your opinion then surely all faiths were including Hinduism. New God's and Goddesses in Hinduism have been introduced over the centuries to the faithful.

Throughout history there have been many forms of idol worship that does not make those people Hindu's. It is the RSS who based on ancient Arab's being idolaters call them Hindu's. Now I have nothing against Hindu people at all and respect their faith providing they show the same in return. It is only the RSS type that get on my nerves for obvious reasons as do the Muslim crackpots. I consider Judaism as a step towards Islam as taught by Musa(as). In it's truest form Islam was completed by Rasool Ullah SAW.

To make things easier to understand I would say that idol worship predates monotheism as a whole.

 

[kumjsr]

The good news is that you can also call other religions "myths" as well!. Naturally if a person believes in their faith as being the one true belief then others are myths or a combination of truth and falsehood. So who is the first person on earth according to Hinduism?

I am still waiting for the answer about birth year of first man according to you.

 

[PakLFC]

I am still waiting for the answer about birth year of first man according to you.

What you want to ask is when was Adam(as) created according to Islam? Here is the answer. https://islamqa.info/en/answers/209...een-adam-and-muhammad-peace-be-upon-them-both
https://aboutislam.net/counseling/ask-about-islam/how-long-ago-was-adam-created/ Now you tell me who is the first person ever according to Hinduism if it is not Adam(as)?.

 

[IamIndian]

What you want to ask is when was Adam(as) created according to Islam? Here is the answer. https://islamqa.info/en/answers/209...een-adam-and-muhammad-peace-be-upon-them-both
https://aboutislam.net/counseling/ask-about-islam/how-long-ago-was-adam-created/ Now you tell me who is the first person ever according to Hinduism if it is not Adam(as)?.

Who was the first person on Earth according to Hindu mythology?



According to Matsyapurana, the first person on this Earth is Manu. The Sanskrit term Maanav meaning a human was derived from the name Manu denoting his children. Manu was the son of Prajapati (another name of Brahma) and Shatrupa (another name of Saraswati). God created Ananti as the wife of Manu. These two are said to be the parents of this world according to Hindu Mythology.

https://www.tutorialspoint.com/who-was-the-first-person-on-earth-according-to-hindu-mythology

 

[kumjsr]

What you want to ask is when was Adam(as) created according to Islam? Here is the answer. https://islamqa.info/en/answers/209...een-adam-and-muhammad-peace-be-upon-them-both
https://aboutislam.net/counseling/ask-about-islam/how-long-ago-was-adam-created/ Now you tell me who is the first person ever according to Hinduism if it is not Adam(as)?.

It was simple question which isn't answered there.

Can you skip all these details and links and just share the year. If not exact year then some rough estimate?

 

[daytrader]

Burnt Bodies Of 2 Muslim Men Found In Haryana, Bajrang Dal Role Alleged
The police said they were investigating whether cow vigilantism was involved in the deaths.

A day after the burnt bodies of two Muslim men were found in a car in Haryana, a kidnapping case has been filed against five men, suspected to be cow vigilantes. Nasir, 25, and Junaid, 35, had been kidnapped from Rajasthan's Bharatpur district on Wednesday, their families alleged in their complaint to the police.
The charred bodies of Nasir and Junaid were found in a Mahindra Bolero SUV on Thursday morning in Haryana's Bhiwani district. Police are still trying to establish whether the remains are those of Nasir and Junaid.

"The burnt bodies of two unidentified men have been found in the car. To ascertain whether the two men are the same who were kidnapped, our team has gone to the spot with the family members. After post-mortem and DNA analyses, their identification will be verified," Bharatpur Inspector General Gaurav Srivastava said.

Whether the two were burnt alive or died in a fire that broke out in the car is being investigated. The families of the two kidnapped men identified the vehicle and said that the owner of the car was known to Nasir and Junaid.

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https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/two...ntism-angle-3789912#pfrom=home-ndtv_topscroll

 

[DeadlyVenom]

He did based on religion, that was the only difference.

This is historical fiction dreamed up in more times by those who seek to show all Hindus were united and suppressed under various "foreign" rulers.

He was a great friend and ally of many hindus, this is undeniable.

 

[kumjsr]

This is historical fiction dreamed up in more times by those who seek to show all Hindus were united and suppressed under various "foreign" rulers.

He was a great friend and ally of many hindus, this is undeniable.

How does that justify religious persecution?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

It's because he was involved in targeted murder and conversion of Hindus. His campaigns were not just for expansion, but also against Hindus for their faith.

It's ok if you think that he was doing great for his faith and those religious brutalities are irrelevant because victims were non-believers.

Thanks for giving an admittedly factually unsupported Hindutva viewpoint.

 

[PakLFC]

Who was the first person on Earth according to Hindu mythology?



According to Matsyapurana, the first person on this Earth is Manu. The Sanskrit term Maanav meaning a human was derived from the name Manu denoting his children. Manu was the son of Prajapati (another name of Brahma) and Shatrupa (another name of Saraswati). God created Ananti as the wife of Manu. These two are said to be the parents of this world according to Hindu Mythology.

https://www.tutorialspoint.com/who-was-the-first-person-on-earth-according-to-hindu-mythology

So this Manu fellow man another half human and half divine figure?. Anyway you got the Islamic perspective as to who the first human being was. No human beings were not once monkey's either.

 

[PakLFC]

It was simple question which isn't answered there.

Can you skip all these details and links and just share the year. If not exact year then some rough estimate?

There is no year given in the Holy Qur'an. That is before human's began to understand years like we know them now. How did the creator of the clock or calender know what time or year it was??

 

[kumjsr]

How did the creator of the clock or calender know what time or year it was??

Is this a real question?

You don't know definition of a year, second, minute and hour?

 

[PakLFC]

Is this a real question?

You don't know definition of a year, second, minute and hour?

You are missing the point. How were all these dates and times decided?

 

[uppercut]

Thanks for giving an admittedly factually unsupported Hindutva viewpoint.

Lookup William Kirkpatrick. He translated letters written by Tippu to his commanders and those he transacted with. I have copy pasted a tidbit below. Let me know what you make of it.

"You are, in conjunction with him, to make a general attack on the Koorgs ; when, having put to the sword, or made prisoners of, the whole of them, both the slain and the prisoners are to be made Musulmans"

Source:
https://ia802706.us.archive.org/4/items/selectlettersoft00tipu/selectlettersoft00tipu.pdf
Page 150 ( Letter CXVII )

 

[kumjsr]

You are missing the point. How were all these dates and times decided?

Date is irrelevant and it varies from calendar to calendar. Hindus have their own calendar.

But everyone is able to tell duration of events.

On one hand you claim that others are propagating myths, on other hand you have clue about number of years since Islam existed as per your definition.

Now you're beating around bush, when you don't have an answer.

If duration is not mentioned in books for whatever reasons, then it's better to avoid making claims.

 

[kumjsr]

Thanks for giving an admittedly factually unsupported Hindutva viewpoint.

Just because you don't know it, doesn't make it factually unsupported.

Anyway it's not surprising. Pakistanis are less likely to know about historical religious persecution of Hindus in subcontinent.

 

[PakLFC]

Date is irrelevant and it varies from calendar to calendar. Hindus have their own calendar.

But everyone is able to tell duration of events.

On one hand you claim that others are propagating myths, on other hand you have clue about number of years since Islam existed as per your definition.

Now you're beating around bush, when you don't have an answer.

If duration is not mentioned in books for whatever reasons, then it's better to avoid making claims.

Myths in the sense that they are worshiping anything but God. I am not denying the existence of other religious figures like Ram, Buddha and Nanak. Once more Adam(as) was the first man on earth but the Qur'an does not specify when he lived. I won't make a date up just to please you.

Islam existed since the beginning of time. Since Allah created the world and universe it has always been here. I must once again emphasize the common misconception that Rasool Ullah(saw) were the "founder" of Islam.

 

[daytrader]

"I Eat Beef, Lifestyle In Meghalaya, No One Can Stop It": State BJP Chief
"I cannot make a statement on the resolution adopted by other states. We are in Meghalaya, everybody eats beef, and there is no restriction," he said.

Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) state chief Ernest Mawrie said that there is "no restriction on beef eating" in Meghalaya and that he too consumes beef.
While talking to ANI, Ernest Mawrie said, "I cannot make a statement on the resolution adopted by other states. We are in Meghalaya, everybody eats beef, and there is no restriction. Yes, I eat beef too. There is no ban in Meghalaya. It is the lifestyle of the people, no one can stop it. There is no such rule in India also. Some states have passed some acts. In Meghalaya, we have a slaughterhouse, everybody takes a cow or pig and brings it to the market. It could be a hygienic one. So the people they have the habit."

At a time when BJP-ruled states like Assam had passed a bill to regulate cattle slaughter, transport and sale of beef and Assam Chief Minister Dr Himanta Biswa Sarma who is the face of BJP in North Eastern region has been appealing to the people to restrict beef eating in the Hindu inhabited areas.

Refusing the allegations made by some political parties that BJP is an anti-Christian party, the Meghalaya BJP Chief said that it is just "political propaganda."

He said, "Now the nine years of the National Democratic Alliance (NDA) government is running in the country and not even any church has been attacked or targeted in the country. Opposition political party's allegation that BJP is an anti-Christian party, is just election propaganda. We are in Meghalaya - a Christian-dominated state, and everybody goes to Church."

"Goa is also ruled by BJP and not a single Church has been targeted. Same with Nagaland also. It is just political propaganda made by some political parties especially Congress, TMC, and even some ally parties in the state. It is not true. I am also a Christian and they never tell me not to go to Church," Ernest Mawrie added.

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https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/no-...-bjp-chief-3806332#pfrom=home-ndtv_topstories

 

[kumjsr]

Myths in the sense that they are worshiping anything but God. I am not denying the existence of other religious figures like Ram, Buddha and Nanak. Once more Adam(as) was the first man on earth but the Qur'an does not specify when he lived. I won't make a date up just to please you.

Islam existed since the beginning of time. Since Allah created the world and universe it has always been here. I must once again emphasize the common misconception that Rasool Ullah(saw) were the "founder" of Islam.

So you want to call Hindus as fundos spreading myths on basis of your beliefs.

It's ok to believe that your religious beliefs are true, but calling others' religious beliefs as myths make any sense.

Insulting people for their religious beliefs is not great.

You're not to judge whether Hindus are worshipping God or not.

If you have any historical reference to back up claims, then feel free to share that.

 

[Champ_Pal]

Lookup William Kirkpatrick. He translated letters written by Tippu to his commanders and those he transacted with. I have copy pasted a tidbit below. Let me know what you make of it.

"You are, in conjunction with him, to make a general attack on the Koorgs ; when, having put to the sword, or made prisoners of, the whole of them, both the slain and the prisoners are to be made Musulmans"

Source:
https://ia802706.us.archive.org/4/items/selectlettersoft00tipu/selectlettersoft00tipu.pdf
Page 150 ( Letter CXVII )

This William Kirkpatrick guy must have been a Hindutva loon.

 

[Champ_Pal]

Myths in the sense that they are worshiping anything but God. I am not denying the existence of other religious figures like Ram, Buddha and Nanak. Once more Adam(as) was the first man on earth but the Qur'an does not specify when he lived. I won't make a date up just to please you.

Islam existed since the beginning of time. Since Allah created the world and universe it has always been here. I must once again emphasize the common misconception that Rasool Ullah(saw) were the "founder" of Islam.

How do you know your God is the one true one? Is it because your God said so in your holy book?

Since you are talking about Adam? Would you believe that Eve or Hawa was made from Adam's rib?

Ram, Buddha and Nanak are not Gods. They are venerated for their extraordinary qualities and messages.

Islam did not exist since the beginning of time. Monotheism came much later to Polytheism and Animistic/Nature beliefs.

The first Monotheistic religion on record is Zoroastrianism. Islam is only 1400 years old. It is a branch of Judiaism with elements of Christianity and Zoroastrianism.

Vedic religion and Mithraism which are polytheistic in nature predate Judaism. Even the God Yahweh is from the pantheon of old Cananite Gods.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Lookup William Kirkpatrick. He translated letters written by Tippu to his commanders and those he transacted with. I have copy pasted a tidbit below. Let me know what you make of it.

"You are, in conjunction with him, to make a general attack on the Koorgs ; when, having put to the sword, or made prisoners of, the whole of them, both the slain and the prisoners are to be made Musulmans"

Source:
https://ia802706.us.archive.org/4/items/selectlettersoft00tipu/selectlettersoft00tipu.pdf
Page 150 ( Letter CXVII )

It sounds like it is a poor translation. How could you make the slain into Musalmans? Is it a medieval form of the walking dead?

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

"I Eat Beef, Lifestyle In Meghalaya, No One Can Stop It": State BJP Chief
"I cannot make a statement on the resolution adopted by other states. We are in Meghalaya, everybody eats beef, and there is no restriction," he said.

Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) state chief Ernest Mawrie said that there is "no restriction on beef eating" in Meghalaya and that he too consumes beef.
While talking to ANI, Ernest Mawrie said, "I cannot make a statement on the resolution adopted by other states. We are in Meghalaya, everybody eats beef, and there is no restriction. Yes, I eat beef too. There is no ban in Meghalaya. It is the lifestyle of the people, no one can stop it. There is no such rule in India also. Some states have passed some acts. In Meghalaya, we have a slaughterhouse, everybody takes a cow or pig and brings it to the market. It could be a hygienic one. So the people they have the habit."

At a time when BJP-ruled states like Assam had passed a bill to regulate cattle slaughter, transport and sale of beef and Assam Chief Minister Dr Himanta Biswa Sarma who is the face of BJP in North Eastern region has been appealing to the people to restrict beef eating in the Hindu inhabited areas.

Refusing the allegations made by some political parties that BJP is an anti-Christian party, the Meghalaya BJP Chief said that it is just "political propaganda."

He said, "Now the nine years of the National Democratic Alliance (NDA) government is running in the country and not even any church has been attacked or targeted in the country. Opposition political party's allegation that BJP is an anti-Christian party, is just election propaganda. We are in Meghalaya - a Christian-dominated state, and everybody goes to Church."

"Goa is also ruled by BJP and not a single Church has been targeted. Same with Nagaland also. It is just political propaganda made by some political parties especially Congress, TMC, and even some ally parties in the state. It is not true. I am also a Christian and they never tell me not to go to Church," Ernest Mawrie added.

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Imagine a muslim politician saying the same. BJP and their andhbhakts are hypocrites. You will see them crying for all those cows whenever any muslim is involved but they are not uttering a single word on this.

 

[PakLFC]

So you want to call Hindus as fundos spreading myths on basis of your beliefs.

It's ok to believe that your religious beliefs are true, but calling others' religious beliefs as myths make any sense.

Insulting people for their religious beliefs is not great.

You're not to judge whether Hindus are worshipping God or not.

If you have any historical reference to back up claims, then feel free to share that.

"So you want to call Hindus as fundos spreading myths on basis of your beliefs". What does that mean? There are Hindu fundo's too or do you doubt that? Once again calling other religions as a myth's is not insulting them. The Christian's call Islam as false where as the Jews do Christianity. I have no problem with that at all. In case it missed you in India these days it is the Hindu's wanting to shed Muslim blood at every opportunity.

When did i say I was as a judge rather it is an opinion just like your Hindu brethren say Islam is fake or the kaaba is some ancient Hindu temple . I am free to say the same about Hinduism and I do. On what subject are you seeking references?

 

[PakLFC]

How do you know your God is the one true one? Is it because your God said so in your holy book?

Since you are talking about Adam? Would you believe that Eve or Hawa was made from Adam's rib?

Ram, Buddha and Nanak are not Gods. They are venerated for their extraordinary qualities and messages.

Islam did not exist since the beginning of time. Monotheism came much later to Polytheism and Animistic/Nature beliefs.

The first Monotheistic religion on record is Zoroastrianism. Islam is only 1400 years old. It is a branch of Judiaism with elements of Christianity and Zoroastrianism.

Vedic religion and Mithraism which are polytheistic in nature predate Judaism. Even the God Yahweh is from the pantheon of old Cananite Gods.

Because as a Muslim I believe that the Qur'an is a revelation where as vedic books are not. No I believe Eve like Adam was sent by Allah on earth. Do you not know that to Hindu's Ram is a God in human form and too the Sikh's Nanak is the same?. Muslim's do not worship any man from Adam(as) to Rasool Ullah (saw).

According to Muslim belief Islam did exist since the beginning of time, absolutely. Fitrah is the natural condition off people before they start worshiping people, animal's or stones. A human being therefore is naturally born as a Muslim. If i was the only person on earth would naturally be a Muslim. " Islam is only 1400 years old. It is a branch of Judiaism with elements of Christianity and Zoroastrianism." Rasool Ullah(saw) as I have repeatedly said is not the founder of Islam whose age you have mentioned.

So what if vedic religions predate Judaism or Semitic religions. It doesn't make them right. The Sikh's also rightfully tell the Hindu's that it doesn't matter Nanak is the youngest religious figure in the world. Just because your forefather's were Hindu's does not mean you need to be that too. It does not make Hinduism right based on it's supposed age.

 

[Champ_Pal]

Because as a Muslim I believe that the Qur'an is a revelation where as vedic books are not. No I believe Eve like Adam was sent by Allah on earth. Do you not know that to Hindu's Ram is a God in human form and too the Sikh's Nanak is the same?. Muslim's do not worship any man from Adam(as) to Rasool Ullah (saw).

According to Muslim belief Islam did exist since the beginning of time, absolutely. Fitrah is the natural condition off people before they start worshiping people, animal's or stones. A human being therefore is naturally born as a Muslim. If i was the only person on earth would naturally be a Muslim. " Islam is only 1400 years old. It is a branch of Judiaism with elements of Christianity and Zoroastrianism." Rasool Ullah(saw) as I have repeatedly said is not the founder of Islam whose age you have mentioned.

So what if vedic religions predate Judaism or Semitic religions. It doesn't make them right. The Sikh's also rightfully tell the Hindu's that it doesn't matter Nanak is the youngest religious figure in the world. Just because your forefather's were Hindu's does not mean you need to be that too. It does not make Hinduism right based on it's supposed age.

All I read from your post is that it is your belief. Not the actual truth.

If Vedic religion predates Judaism, it means Abrahamic faith did not exist prior to Judaism. Which means that your claim and belief that Islam is the oldest religion holds no merit.

Also, according to Islam, Prophet Adam was from South India or Srilanka. He was 60 cubits tall (90 ft). But science says that humanity started in East Africa from a small Ape like creature. Do you deny all of that?

Bro, there is no proof that Abraham ever visited Mecca or built any Kaba shrine. It is a belief of Muslims. Judaism or Christianity never mentioned anything about Kaaba. These are all claims made by Arabs in 7th century.

You can believe whatever you want. It is your choice. But it does not make it the truth.

 

[PakLFC]

How do you know your God is the one true one? Is it because your God said so in your holy book?

Since you are talking about Adam? Would you believe that Eve or Hawa was made from Adam's rib?

Ram, Buddha and Nanak are not Gods. They are venerated for their extraordinary qualities and messages.

Islam did not exist since the beginning of time. Monotheism came much later to Polytheism and Animistic/Nature beliefs.

The first Monotheistic religion on record is Zoroastrianism. Islam is only 1400 years old. It is a branch of Judiaism with elements of Christianity and Zoroastrianism.

Vedic religion and Mithraism which are polytheistic in nature predate Judaism. Even the God Yahweh is from the pantheon of old Cananite Gods.

Hinduism in a continuation of idol worship. Since the world began people have been making stone God's with their hands then worshiping them.. Hinduism continues that ancient path of blindly following what the Greek's and pre Islamic Arab's did. No one can even count how many different God's Hindu's have with new ones regularly being formed.

This is why even the Sikh's and Christians of the subcontinent left Hinduism in hundred's of millions.

 

[Champ_Pal]

Hinduism in a continuation of idol worship. Since the world began people have been making stone God's with their hands then worshiping them.. Hinduism continues that ancient path of blindly following what the Greek's and pre Islamic Arab's did. No one can even count how many different God's Hindu's have with new ones regularly being formed.

This is why even the Sikh's and Christians of the subcontinent left Hinduism in hundred's of millions.

AN idol is not a God. It is a representation of God. Just like Kaaba is not where God or Allah resides. But it is called house of God.

Vedic religion is different from Hinduism. I have said in many of my posts before, Hinduism is only about 1400 years old. Before 6th century, it was Vedic religion along with Buddhism and Jainism that were the dominant religions or schools of thought. Vedic religion had God(s) while Buddhism and Jainism are atheistic in nature.

Hinduism is an inclusive religion. It does not deny that there can be other Gods of people from faraway cultures and they can be right too. Hence when encountered, those Gods are included rather than outright rejected. Respect every opinion and if there is merit in their argument, include them in the faith system. This is why Hinduism survived in spite of the onslaught of Islam for over 500 years in India.

 

[PakLFC]

All I read from your post is that it is your belief. Not the actual truth.

If Vedic religion predates Judaism, it means Abrahamic faith did not exist prior to Judaism. Which means that your claim and belief that Islam is the oldest religion holds no merit.

Also, according to Islam, Prophet Adam was from South India or Srilanka. He was 60 cubits tall (90 ft). But science says that humanity started in East Africa from a small Ape like creature. Do you deny all of that?

Bro, there is no proof that Abraham ever visited Mecca or built any Kaba shrine. It is a belief of Muslims. Judaism or Christianity never mentioned anything about Kaaba. These are all claims made by Arabs in 7th century.

You can believe whatever you want. It is your choice. But it does not make it the truth.

Oh please Hinduism is anything but the truth! Firstly it makes no sense will all these God's being related to each other in some confusing way!. How do you differentiate personal belief from the truth?? You are missing the point! Islam was always here only that the word "Islam was not but the belief was.

I don't know where you have read that Adam(as) was from India or Sri Lanka unless you are following those Indian Muslim's who preach such rubbish to keep the Hindu's happy! I have also read Hindu's saying Isa(as) was from India when he was Palestinian.

Firstly what kind of evidence are you seeking that will satisfy you? The Sikh's believe Nanak visited Mecca too but the Muslim's refute that as here say. Mecca during the time of Ibrahim(as) was very different to what it later became. Well naturally the Christians and Jews don't believe in the Islamic perspective. There are major differences between the three Semitic religions too.

Islam may not be the truth to you but it is to me. All truth's are that only to believers of that faith.

 

[PakLFC]

AN idol is not a God. It is a representation of God. Just like Kaaba is not where God or Allah resides. But it is called house of God.

Vedic religion is different from Hinduism. I have said in many of my posts before, Hinduism is only about 1400 years old. Before 6th century, it was Vedic religion along with Buddhism and Jainism that were the dominant religions or schools of thought. Vedic religion had God(s) while Buddhism and Jainism are atheistic in nature.

Hinduism is an inclusive religion. It does not deny that there can be other Gods of people from faraway cultures and they can be right too. Hence when encountered, those Gods are included rather than outright rejected. Respect every opinion and if there is merit in their argument, include them in the faith system. This is why Hinduism survived in spite of the onslaught of Islam for over 500 years in India.

Muslim's do not worship the kaaba where as Hindu's do idols. The problem is that Hindu fundo's insist Hinduism is the oldest religion in the world. What you call sanatana dharam became or matured in to Hinduism from my understanding. Gradually with the passing of time new thoughts were introduced. I see Buddhism and Sikhism as being monotheistic, absolutely. Only thing is Buddhists seem to deny the existence of God yet I have great love for the Buddha. He was a great man.

Gandhi said it best that Hinduism is very difficult to understand. No one can say what it is for sure. The RSS say that the Muslim's of India can remain Muslim yet are Hindu's too in some weird way when Islam and Hinduism contradict each other. How does this make sense? So Hindu God's i see often fight each other over supremacy or power!!? . I think it is more off a culture then religious belief.

Now let me tell you had Muslim's openly killed Hindu's for centuries like you people are told then India would today be a majority Muslim country.

 

[Champ_Pal]

Muslim's do not worship the kaaba where as Hindu's do idols. The problem is that Hindu fundo's insist Hinduism is the oldest religion in the world. What you call sanatana dharam became or matured in to Hinduism from my understanding. Gradually with the passing of time new thoughts were introduced. I see Buddhism and Sikhism as being monotheistic, absolutely. Only thing is Buddhists seem to deny the existence of God yet I have great love for the Buddha. He was a great man.

Gandhi said it best that Hinduism is very difficult to understand. No one can say what it is for sure. The RSS say that the Muslim's of India can remain Muslim yet are Hindu's too in some weird way when Islam and Hinduism contradict each other. How does this make sense? So Hindu God's i see often fight each other over supremacy or power!!? . I think it is more off a culture then religious belief.

Now let me tell you had Muslim's openly killed Hindu's for centuries like you people are told then India would today be a majority Muslim country.

Hindus do not worship rocks. An idol is a representation of God. It is not God by itself. It is pretty common knowledge among all Hindus.

Modern Hinduism is not the oldest religion in the world. In fact it is pretty young. Sanatana Dharma incorporates various schools of thoughts including Buddhism and Jainism. Those along with Vedic religion comprise Sanatana Dharma. But Buddhism and Jainism schools of thoughts formed their own religions over time.

Buddhism is Atheistic. There is no God in both Buddhism and Jainism. They are Shramanic cults. Sikhism is more of an amalgamation of Hinduism and Islam. It takes Monotheism from Islam, but their God is represented by Omkar. Not Allah.

How can you love Buddha if you are a Muslim? What do you admire about Buddha?

 

[uppercut]

It sounds like it is a poor translation. How could you make the slain into Musalmans? Is it a medieval form of the walking dead?

Circumcision. BTW there are many more instances of his atrocities ... you can find them catalogued here with links to sources: https://indictales.com/2018/11/12/cruelties-of-tipu-sulthan-against-hindus/

 

[PakLFC]

Hindus do not worship rocks. An idol is a representation of God. It is not God by itself. It is pretty common knowledge among all Hindus.

Modern Hinduism is not the oldest religion in the world. In fact it is pretty young. Sanatana Dharma incorporates various schools of thoughts including Buddhism and Jainism. Those along with Vedic religion comprise Sanatana Dharma. But Buddhism and Jainism schools of thoughts formed their own religions over time.

Buddhism is Atheistic. There is no God in both Buddhism and Jainism. They are Shramanic cults. Sikhism is more of an amalgamation of Hinduism and Islam. It takes Monotheism from Islam, but their God is represented by Omkar. Not Allah.

How can you love Buddha if you are a Muslim? What do you admire about Buddha?

You do worship stones for as you say it represents your God. Then you also say that Ram, Krishna etc are Gods too! Go figure!. That is what I am saying that it is very difficult to decide what exactly Hinduism is when some claim it to be the oldest religion then you are saying it is very young. How do we differentiate modern Hinduism from it's older version?

From what I know "Allah" is indeed mentioned in the Sikh holy book. They consider Mardana as a massive Muslim personality when in Islam he is absolutely nothing. Most Muslim's wouldn't even know who this Mardana is nonetheless Sikh's borrow a lot from his his so called wisdom. They are also impressed by Baba Bulleh Shah who again was just a sufi saint from Punjab.

So are you saying that we can not love or respect people from other faith's?. Buddha was a great philosopher and thinker.

 

[daytrader]

Who Killed Tipu Sultan? Fresh Controversy Ahead Of Elections In Karnataka
The party, which is pitching its icon VD Savarkar against Tipu Sultan in a battle of perception, recently made an effort to draw in the politically powerful Vokkaliga community

Karnataka, heading for elections in a matter of weeks, is embroiled in a fresh controversy over Tipu Sultan, the 18th Century ruler whom the BJP has converted into an election issue. The party, which is pitching its icon VD Savarkar against Tipu Sultan in a battle of perception, recently made an effort to draw in the politically powerful Vokkaliga community by upholding claims that it was not the British and Maratha army, but two Vokkaliga leaders who had killed Tipu Sultan. While a prominent religious leader has poured cold water on the plans, the BJP refuses to step back.

Claims from a section of people in the old Mysuru belt that Tipu Sultan was killed by the two Vokkaliga chieftains Uri Gowda and Nanje Gowda was converted into a play based on the book Tipu Nijakanasugalu (Real Dreams of Tipu) by Addanda Cariappa.

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[daytrader]

Sitapur:
A man and his wife were beaten to death with iron rods and sticks by their neighbours in Uttar Pradesh's Sitapur. Three people have been arrested in the case, and police say that the murder was allegedly a result of an affair between the victim's son and the daughter of one of the accused.

The couple, Abbas and his wife Kamrul Nisha, died on the spot in the attack on Friday and all the accused fled from the spot.

Sitapur Superintendent of Police Chakresh Mishra said a few years back Abbas's son had eloped with a girl from the neighbouring household. A case was registered in this regard and Abbas's son was sent to jail.

When Abbas's son was released from jail a few days back, some members of the family planned the attack on the couple, police said.

"According to the villagers, the son of the deceased couple and Shaukat Rampal's daughter Ruby had an affair. Shaukat had abducted Ruby in the year 2020. At that time, Ruby was a minor and after registering a case, the police sent Shaukat to jail. He again abducted and married Ruby in June," Chakresh Mishra said.

UP Muslim Couple Beaten To Death After Son Elopes With Hindu Girl

A man and his wife were beaten to death with iron rods and sticks by their neighbours in Uttar Pradesh's Sitapur.

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