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“IPL is huge but with Pakistan players it would be bigger": Rashid Latif

Still remember the celebrations of Pakistani posters on PP when PCB decided not to issue NOC to Pakistani players for the 2009 edition of IPL. Everyone was happy and thankful to the PCB when it happened.​
They were gloating about how the IPL is doomed.
 
THREAD IS NOT ABOUT BHARAT'S PROGRESS...KEEP YOUR POSTS RELEVANT TO IPL AND PAKISTAN PLAYERS ETC
 
Naseem has had a stop start career due to injuries and poor work load management.

He s only played 17 Tests since his debut in 2019 you numpty.

He has a Test hattrick as well.

Know your facts.
He still averages 35+ after 20 tests which is among the worst figures in test history.

And lol at "only", any other country wouldn't have given him so many tests and would have kicked him out long ago
 
up till 5 yrs back maybe but not anymore unfortunately.

If there was an auction the following players have a shot at getting picked somewhat

Amir-

India hasn't selected their own fixers like Sreesanth in IPL after getting caught and you think they will pick fixers from other countries?
 
Munaf patel, pramodaya wickramasighe have won an ODI WC , whereas Waqar Younis, Allan Donald, Ambrose, Pollock have never won it .. And your point is ??
So Munaf and Pramo are greater than the others?? With logic like this, no wonder the PCT is down in the dumps.
Uff kohli fans really get burned easily.

When kohli wins an ipl than talk.

Ever year he loses. He needs to consult kamran akmal maybe
 
Not a single Pakistani player can be assured of being brought in the auction. There's just no quality.

Shaheen and Rauf are 50-50 somewhat. That's about it
 
Not a single Pakistani player can be assured of being brought in the auction. There's just no quality.

Shaheen and Rauf are 50-50 somewhat. That's about it
Rauf is definitely gets a 7-10 cr deal. He is very usefull in T20 Cricket. :kp
 
Name some foreign bowlers he can replace for that amount
Too many australia players are selected although they didn't deserved it because australian coaching staff are dominated in the IPL team's

Xavier Bartlett ,Nathan Ellis, Aaron Hardie - these are just few name who are inferior to Rauf in T20 cricket .
:kp
 
And once you enter in the auction ,prize can increase to anything based on demands and combination of teams .

Rauf is 7-10 cr category Pacer. No doubt about it. :kp
 
Cummins is no way more than 7-10 cr player but his prize increased due to 2023 World Cup win against India.

If any player want to attract big money than they have to perform well against India.

Peoples who always find conspiracy theory about overseas player's are underperforming against India to due IPL contract are the most delusional peoples in the world

:kp
 
IPL will naturally expand into Pakistan at some point.


I don't see the other leagues that IPL owners have bought as being financially viable in the long term. They don't have an organic cricket following or are in countries where cricket is the 3rd or 4th biggest sport.

At some point, it will make business sense for Indian owners to enter another market, and they have a market of 250+ million on their doorstep. It is a market ripe for being harvested - Pakistani administrators and businessmen are not as savvy as their Indian counterparts to do so. Before the usual suspects crack jokes about poverty, Pakistan has a decent-sized middle class for the region that, from a cricketing perspective, should be a bigger and more lucrative cricketing market than England, Australia, Kiwis and South Africa combined but is severely let down by lack of vision.

I believe that at some point, Indian owners will likely realise that many of these overseas leagues are just pits for throwing away money; the Indian market will also become saturated at some point ( this is not a criticism before the usual suspects pee their pants, it is inevitable, nothing will grow forever). Pakistan could be a decent market for them.

It depends on two things:

1. Indian businesses being allowed to invest.
2. Pakistani media/board accepting to work under Indian authority.

Ultimately the IPL will become an Asian league under the Indian banner. Indians will get their thrills of bossing white people and the traditional cricket structure around for a few years before naturally coming back to incorporate the cricket mad Asian countries under IPL banner. It just makes complete business sense.
 
IPL owner are never ever going to go against BCCI and GOI . the day India - Pakistan relations improve automatically Pakistan player's will get selected in the IPL and IPL owners may invest in the PSL( Buy the franchise just like others league) if PSL will not clash with IPL.

IPL craze is going to be bigger and bigger each passing years. IPL has reached at that point where fans are loyal to respective teams and they take IPL more seriously than International cricket .RCB ,CSK and MI - these are the teams who have biggest fans base and these fans base care about IPL more than International cricket.

MI - RCB , CSK - MI , CSK - RCB rivalry is already Hyped and real based on facts.

:kp
 
IPL will naturally expand into Pakistan at some point.


I don't see the other leagues that IPL owners have bought as being financially viable in the long term. They don't have an organic cricket following or are in countries where cricket is the 3rd or 4th biggest sport.

At some point, it will make business sense for Indian owners to enter another market, and they have a market of 250+ million on their doorstep. It is a market ripe for being harvested - Pakistani administrators and businessmen are not as savvy as their Indian counterparts to do so. Before the usual suspects crack jokes about poverty, Pakistan has a decent-sized middle class for the region that, from a cricketing perspective, should be a bigger and more lucrative cricketing market than England, Australia, Kiwis and South Africa combined but is severely let down by lack of vision.

I believe that at some point, Indian owners will likely realise that many of these overseas leagues are just pits for throwing away money; the Indian market will also become saturated at some point ( this is not a criticism before the usual suspects pee their pants, it is inevitable, nothing will grow forever). Pakistan could be a decent market for them.

It depends on two things:

1. Indian businesses being allowed to invest.
2. Pakistani media/board accepting to work under Indian authority.

Ultimately the IPL will become an Asian league under the Indian banner. Indians will get their thrills of bossing white people and the traditional cricket structure around for a few years before naturally coming back to incorporate the cricket mad Asian countries under IPL banner. It just makes complete business sense.

Pakistan has no plan in the near future to use the middle class as an asset. Our biggest import is our skilled labor & our upper middle class is often beneficiary of zero value businesses like real estate, import stuff & sell in local markets, or other non-taxed businesses.

For Pak to realize the potential of our middle class we must first create a bigger tax base & include our big businesses in the tax net. Only then they would think it's better to have marketing expense & have lower profit (lower income/profit reduces the tax bracket & hence lower tax).

IPL will expand further but it'll imo bypass Pak & reach more NRIs the world over. Now it has a genuine fan base in multiple countries & with IPL franchises investing in majority of the leagues, this fanbase is only going to get bigger overtime. The best that Pak can do is to maintain their cricket connection with overseas Pakistanis by doing good on the field otherwise most of the next gen kids of these people will support other teams.

Usman Khwaja has no loyalty to Pak, neither does Abbas who plays for NZL, nor Adil Rashid & the future overseas gens will follow their path.
 
Uff kohli fans really get burned easily.

When kohli wins an ipl than talk.

Ever year he loses. He needs to consult kamran akmal maybe
did i say I was a kohli fan or do you just assume?? Its about the team .
Nobody cares for your goal keeper kamran as wasim akram used to say...
 
Pakistan has no plan in the near future to use the middle class as an asset. Our biggest import is our skilled labor & our upper middle class is often beneficiary of zero value businesses like real estate, import stuff & sell in local markets, or other non-taxed businesses.

For Pak to realize the potential of our middle class we must first create a bigger tax base & include our big businesses in the tax net. Only then they would think it's better to have marketing expense & have lower profit (lower income/profit reduces the tax bracket & hence lower tax).

IPL will expand further but it'll imo bypass Pak & reach more NRIs the world over. Now it has a genuine fan base in multiple countries & with IPL franchises investing in majority of the leagues, this fanbase is only going to get bigger overtime. The best that Pak can do is to maintain their cricket connection with overseas Pakistanis by doing good on the field otherwise most of the next gen kids of these people will support other teams.

Usman Khwaja has no loyalty to Pak, neither does Abbas who plays for NZL, nor Adil Rashid & the future overseas gens will follow their path.
I don't think IPL has a genuine fanbase in multiple countries. not to the same level as it could in Asia. The NRI market is ok - nothing spectacular and its likely most of the youngsters will be more interested in football, baseball, basketball as they grow up.

I agree that Pakistan won't be able to use the middle class. Thats why we have struggled with PSL...but there is definitely a large section of the population that has disposable income and no real outlet. Indian private companies can exploit this better than any Pakistanis can. From a business perspective, if I was an Indian businessmen I'd be more intrigued by a market next door, of millions of people, than a small one in South Africa. The major limitations is the ties between both countries and how bloody difficult it is doing business with Pakistanis - but these problems arent insurmountable.
 
did i say I was a kohli fan or do you just assume?? Its about the team .
Nobody cares for your goal keeper kamran as wasim akram used to say...
yet our soo called goal keeper won an IPL while Kohli is still trying to. maybe he should take goal keeping lessons from him
 
You reckon anyone would give a toss about the ipl without the foreign boards and superstars being paid 💲 💲 💲 💲 💰then your living in a parallel universe.

The black markets and bookies keep the 💲💲💲💲💰 flowing for the ipl and icc everyone knows it except for you die hard indian fans who chant ipl all day.

This CT multiple teams had injuries and players missing and travelling which you team took full advantage off 👏👏👏.

Australia have still been the dominant force during your countries golden period winning WC s and WTC etc.
Seems you have become mentally unstable with all the Pakistan losses and humiliations and started making these wierd arguments..it's not even worth to give counters to your points as even your fellow Pakistanis will laugh at your statements. Better consult a psychiatrist..get well soon
 
Just imagine if Eng and either Aus/NZ shared borders and they had a very successful sports product like IPL and the local market to go with it ... bloody hell they would make that the next best thing since sliced bread and market that soo effectively

but here we are in Asia where none of the cricketing nations can get along with each other and there is a nearly 2B market to tap!!
What makes you think that none of the cricketing nations get together..All I see except for Pakistan, all other countries like srilanka Bangladesh and afganistan get along each other well..all these countries players played/playing for ipl and get along well. With limited countries playing Cricket IPL is still fifth biggest league among all sports and it only grown over years .as far as I know still many Pakistanis esp cricket enthusiasts and aspirants watch the IPL..
 
You reckon anyone would give a toss about the ipl without the foreign boards and superstars being paid 💲 💲 💲 💲 💰then your living in a parallel universe.

The black markets and bookies keep the 💲💲💲💲💰 flowing for the ipl and icc everyone knows it except for you die hard indian fans who chant ipl all day.

This CT multiple teams had injuries and players missing and travelling which you team took full advantage off 👏👏👏.

Australia have still been the dominant force during your countries golden period winning WC s and WTC etc.
Loool

IPL is a T20 tournament. And India has been the dominant force - first team to win the T20 WC undefeated and has some 25-3 record since 2024. The GOAT T20 team.
 
Still remember the celebrations of Pakistani posters on PP when PCB decided not to issue NOC to Pakistani players for the 2009 edition of IPL. Everyone was happy and thankful to the PCB when it happened.​
I still would find it strange and in fact awkward seeing a Pak player play for an Indian franchise IN India.
 
Still remember the celebrations of Pakistani posters on PP when PCB decided not to issue NOC to Pakistani players for the 2009 edition of IPL. Everyone was happy and thankful to the PCB when it happened.​
Well Pakistan players were anyways going to be banned that season. I think BCCI gave them an honorable option to withdraw on their own - like the HR asks u to resign , instead of sacking you

Pakistan board were trying to put a brave face. Don't grudge them for that - their players got caught in mess created by others!

Only thing is their board went overboard - they made statements like how IPL wont survive without Pakistan players. Also tried to get 2011 WC postponed after the Lahore attack and shifted from India to Australia. Ideally they should have just maintained a dignified silence. But that non stop gloating & stupid statements made things worse. Next year BCCI allowed Pakistan players in the auction - but ensured nobody got selected. That was to show PCB their aukaat
 
He still averages 35+ after 20 tests which is among the worst figures in test history.

And lol at "only", any other country wouldn't have given him so many tests and would have kicked him out long ago
The fact that you disregard injuries and the gap between Tests shows how disingenuous you are.



You do realise that its where people finish their careers that counts.
Seems you have become mentally unstable with all the Pakistan losses and humiliations and started making these wierd arguments..it's not even worth to give counters to your points as even your fellow Pakistanis will laugh at your statements. Better consult a psychiatrist..get well soon..
.:shh

There isn't a cure for what you have.

Don't bother seeing anyone.

In short Incurable. :srt
 
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Rauf yes , Naseem - debatable but likely yes

Imad Wasim - Big no ( ase fraud allrounder India ke gali gali main hai )

Saim - Big no ( We have already so Many players better than this tullebaaz )

:kp
I mentioned the players who are likely to be sold , even at a small price.
 
From Pakistan, I think Fakhar, Saim, Naseem, Rauf, Shaheen, and Sufiyan can make it to IPL.
 
I don't think IPL has a genuine fanbase in multiple countries. not to the same level as it could in Asia. The NRI market is ok - nothing spectacular and its likely most of the youngsters will be more interested in football, baseball, basketball as they grow up.

I agree that Pakistan won't be able to use the middle class. Thats why we have struggled with PSL...but there is definitely a large section of the population that has disposable income and no real outlet. Indian private companies can exploit this better than any Pakistanis can. From a business perspective, if I was an Indian businessmen I'd be more intrigued by a market next door, of millions of people, than a small one in South Africa. The major limitations is the ties between both countries and how bloody difficult it is doing business with Pakistanis - but these problems arent insurmountable.

Think of it this way, India has a big booming film industry but they are not reliant on Pak to make any money for that. IPL is the same as well.

With more teams carrying the brand names in different countries, IPL will gain universal traction. It has already started as match threads on reddit etc. have a lot of neutral participation & play by play threads get more comments than int'l cricket played by anyone else barring Ind. A few years ago most of the people were like nah, without Pak players IPL won't be a big draw but look what happened to that prediction.
 
Inclusion of Pakistani players in the IPL is charity. last 18 years have clearly shown that Pakistani players add no value to the IPL. IPL has become bigger than all the other nations involved in international cricket minus Pakistani players.
 
They messed up and betted on the wrong horses

Fakhar and Amir were genuine superstars. They went the Babar and Rizwan route and it was an epic fail.
They are still trying to make it stick.
 
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I have nothing against IPL and we all know it's a huge brand but the question is why every other day these former Pakistani cricketers speaks on IPL. It's amply clear that IPL doesn't need Pakistani cricketers and at the same time Pakistan cricket can also survive and even flourish without IPL if they sort out their issues. South Africa came back to cricket with a strong force in 1992 after long apartheid era, all you need is good working Structure.

There is absolutely no need for these former cricketers to give statements on IPL, I have never seen Indian cricketers speaking on PSL, even they rarely name PSL in their statements
 
Rashid gave a good statement here.. Pak players would have made a good difference in PSL... I think people there would have loved fakhar, shaheen, saim etc playing in front of a massive crowd.
 
Playing in the IPL, earning life changing sums of money, being a part of the best T20 league in the world, having Indian fans are bragging rights which you wear as a badge of honour for the rest of your life in the cricket world.

Sadly Pakistani players are achoot, unwanted, undesirable, not good enough and even if good enough, not needed in the IPL. So many generations of Pakistani players will be scorned, angry and bitter at the massive fortunes they lost on, what one Indian player makes in one season, a decent Pakistani player will need to play in 30 leagues to make.

Tbh the lack of quality and lack of modern fitness of the Pakistani players is purely on them, the fact that players from all over the world keep getting better and better with experience and exposure while our fellow Pakistani players just regress tremendously in comparison should tell you where the problem lies.
 
Forget IPL, I think general cricket relations could get strained even further, if/ once Rana’s testimony in India is released. This Indian government and media will keep the pot boiling on a subject that naturally still infuriates us Indians.

I see less than a zero chance of BCCI cooperating with PCB.
 
Forget IPL, what have the current Pak players added to their own cricket league PSL to make it big? They have not succeeded to add much value to own league, what value are they going to add to IPL and other foreign leagues? How big have the made BBL, The 100 and other leagues which they play throughout the year??

It’s like being unable to fix your own broken bicycle but offering to repair someone’s Formula 1 car.
:inti
 
You really want to know why a league that has Dayal, Rana, Ishant Sharma, Bhuvaneshwer needs Shaheen, Naseem, Aamer?
Dayal,Rana ,Ishant ,Bhuvi all are better than Shaheen,Naseem
You better understand this,every bowler gets hit
Current IPL batters will hit out Shaheen,Naseem to oblivion
 
Dayal,Rana ,Ishant ,Bhuvi all are better than Shaheen,Naseem
You better understand this,every bowler gets hit
Current IPL batters will hit out Shaheen,Naseem to oblivion
Rohit tried to do that to Shaheen in CT2025 and had his middle stump knocked off. Don't think he is a halwa bowler like your trundlers. It will be 6 inswinging yorkers at 145 kmph and losers like Rahul will have nowhere to hide.
 
Rohit tried to do that to Shaheen in CT2025 and had his middle stump knocked off. Don't think he is a halwa bowler like your trundlers. It will be 6 inswinging yorkers at 145 kmph and losers like Rahul will have nowhere to hide.
Rohit has done that to shaheen many many many times in international matches, maybe you have a little bit of amnesia?
 
True that’s why Babar and Rizwan are better than him because they have a PSL.
Don't obfuscate - Indian premier league - Pakistanis have won it but not Kohli despite Kohli playing for 18 years. That is hilarious. Shows what a failure Kohli is. PSL has nothing to do with the thread.
 
You really want to know why a league that has Dayal, Rana, Ishant Sharma, Bhuvaneshwer needs Shaheen, Naseem, Aamer?
Yes a 35 averaging Naseem, one of the worst figures ever in t20 cricket history is better than the players who won multiple cups and overseas tests for india.

Rana is right, you just like the humiliation. Imagine mocking bowlers who won so many important matches and cups for their country.
 
Don't obfuscate - Indian premier league - Pakistanis have won it but not Kohli despite Kohli playing for 18 years. That is hilarious. Shows what a failure Kohli is. PSL has nothing to do with the thread.
Are you confused between Tennis or Wrestling that are individual sports competition?
 
Don't obfuscate - Indian premier league - Pakistanis have won it but not Kohli despite Kohli playing for 18 years. That is hilarious. Shows what a failure Kohli is. PSL has nothing to do with the thread.
Don't obfuscate, you think a 35+ averaging bowler is better than those who won important matches and cup for their team.

After that statement, no one is ever going to take anything you take ever seriously
 
Don't obfuscate, you think a 35+ averaging bowler is better than those who won important matches and cup for their team.

After that statement, no one is ever going to take anything you take ever seriously
Nobody is talking about test cricket here :inti
 
Yes a 35 averaging Naseem, one of the worst figures ever in t20 cricket history is better than the players who won multiple cups and overseas tests for india.

Rana is right, you just like the humiliation. Imagine mocking bowlers who won so many important matches and cups for their country.
Sometimes being there at the right time is all it takes otherwise Ramiz Raja >>>>>> Rahul Dravid, Ganguly, Kumble and Tendulkar until 2010 because they never won WCs.
 
Are you confused between Tennis or Wrestling that are individual sports competition?
You're trying to be smart but tennis has Davis Cup which is a team competition. Regardless it is ironical that Pakistanis have won the INDIAN Premier League but India's most decorated player of the generation has not in 18 attempts.
 
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Rohit tried to do that to Shaheen in CT2025 and had his middle stump knocked off. Don't think he is a halwa bowler like your trundlers. It will be 6 inswinging yorkers at 145 kmph and losers like Rahul will have nowhere to hide.
Loosers.like Rahul ?lol,itna sasta confidence kaha se.laate ho?
He maybe looser to us but trust me for fans like you or Pakistan side if he was playing for you ,you would have already put him in Viv level
Shaheen is a bonafide trundler like Naseem now,
,he would be murdered in IPL ,thank your stars he's not playing here
And Rohit,Kohli are still above the looser lot's pay scale
Rohit doesn't even spare Starc,what is Shaheen?he's a void just void
We have guys better than him,our trundlers have already won us games more than you can count
 
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Loosers.like Rahul ?lol,itna sasta confidence kaha se.laate ho?
He maybe looser to us but trust me for fans like you or Pakistan side if he was playing for you ,you would have already put him in Viv level
Shaheen is a bonafide trundler like Naseem now,
,he would be murdered in IPL ,thank your stars he's not playing here
And Rohit,Kohli are still above the looser lot's pay scale
Rohit doesn't even spare Starc,what is Shaheen?he's a void just void
We have guys better than him,our trundlers have already won us games more than you can count
Bro, have you ever seen a player as timid as Rahul? Zero guts. He was scared of Shaheen. Watch the first ball from T20 WC 2022. I don't respect cowardly players and statpadders.
 
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Bro, have you ever seen a player as timid as Rahul? Zero guts. He was scared of Shaheen. Watch the first ball from T20 WC 2022. I don't respect cowardly players and statpadders.
Even I don't respect statpadders,he's already out of our T20 side but his current version is improved and he's still very high quality batsman at IPL who you are underrating
 
Rohit tried to do that to Shaheen in CT2025 and had his middle stump knocked off. Don't think he is a halwa bowler like your trundlers. It will be 6 inswinging yorkers at 145 kmph and losers like Rahul will have nowhere to hide.
After he hit him for a few boundaries. And in AC 23 and WC 23 Rohit belted him. And even in CT 25 Gill belted him around and he ended with figures of 74/2 in 8 overs.

Shaheen does that now once in a blue moon. He is now a 130 kph trundler. He is one of the halwaest bowlers around. Even in the NZ series in bowling friendly conditions he got carted around.
 
Bro, have you ever seen a player as timid as Rahul? Zero guts. He was scared of Shaheen. Watch the first ball from T20 WC 2022. I don't respect cowardly players and statpadders.
Yea, both Rizwan and Babar with inferior strike rates than him in LOI.
 
Yes a 35 averaging Naseem, one of the worst figures ever in t20 cricket history is better than the players who won multiple cups and overseas tests for india.

Rana is right, you just like the humiliation. Imagine mocking bowlers who won so many important matches and cups for their country.
It's important to assess the seriousness of the person you are engaging with before getting into a serious argument. If a fan still holds onto such extreme views despite a string of losses, it's likely that he lacks honesty or is simply trying to rile you up. Either way, it might not be worth your time and effort to argue with him.
 
Rashid Latif in a recent media interaction opened up further on IPL vs PSL comparisons:

"IPL vs PSL - There is no comparison,"

"Afghanistan cricket has reached this level because of the IPL. They have worked hard on their grassroots, but playing in the IPL has given them crucial exposure. The same applies to New Zealand cricket. Look at their depth; many of their key players were in the IPL, and their second-string team defeated our full-strength Pakistan side in the ODIs,"

"Pakistan cricketers are not evolving. If they had played in the IPL, their game might have improved."

"Currently, they are playing against Bangladesh, West Indies, and Ireland. With no disrespect to these teams, they consistently lose miserably against stronger opponents."

"This is the last PSL under the current franchise agreements. New bids will be held, and two new teams will join PSL 11. The current team owners want to devalue the PSL to acquire it at a lower cost. They want to reclaim their teams cheaply. This is a possibility.

"The PCB also desires this. They don't want to damage the PSL's market because the owners and the authority are aligned."

"In the last two years, the PSL's graph has declined - both in quality and financially."

"The PSL's first four years were excellent. The cricket was good. Top players participated, and the production and broadcasting were of high quality.

"The downward trend began from the fifth season, possibly due to instability within the PCB, with numerous PSL directors being replaced. Many of those appointed were unprofessional. To date, no cricketer has been given the authority to manage the PSL.

"In their draft – platinum, diamond, gold, silver, and emerging – there has been no increase in player remuneration. This was a significant error. They should have increased the pay, as all franchises are generating substantial revenue.

"The resurgence of the Bangladesh Premier League (BPL) and the Lankan league, along with the emergence of SA20, MLC, and ILT20, has also negatively impacted us. The PSL was once the second-best league globally but has now dropped to sixth or seventh. There was no contingency plan. The PCB failed to capitalise on the PSL's potential as a product.

"Take the IPL as an example. Despite its challenges, it has consistently grown larger and more successful. This is primarily due to professional management. The PSL has regressed into a local tournament. It could have achieved greater heights, but its potential has been squandered."
 
Forget IPL, I think general cricket relations could get strained even further, if/ once Rana’s testimony in India is released. This Indian government and media will keep the pot boiling on a subject that naturally still infuriates us Indians.

I see less than a zero chance of BCCI cooperating with PCB.
On topic as I said

No way any BCCI setup will dare to engage in any rapprochement with PCB, not for the next five - ten years, with this guy in the news every second week, or every second month.
 
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Maxwell and stoinis were sledging their own teammate Travis head at Hyderabad, This is vintage IPL vibes :kp


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