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ipl will be back to india and Pakistan will likely play 2 3 series every year in UAE.
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Question is how much revenue NZC generates playing against Pakistan and will it have any effect on them financially? I am pretty sure NZC is not really strong financially.
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How will you justify the double standards to teams who have contributed to bring cricket back in Pakistan including Srl, BD, WI, SA, Zim and their boards if PCB opts for a neutral venue for 2-3 teams to make them happy but, asks other to visit Pakistan? When they have visited and will likely be visiting again? How will you justify it to the players who come and play PSL in Pakistan including quite a few from Eng, NZ and Aus?
As far as there are some teams willing to tour Pak, Pak should not think about compromising on their stance. Every nation as well as player should be given equal respect rather than creating double standards especially for the teams who have contributed in bringing cricket back to Pak.
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Plus we can extend PSL. That can make up for any loss and help growth of our players.
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This is exactly what Wasim Khan is doing. Beside his wonderful diplomatic skills, he has completely revolutionised the domestic system and has also introduced school level cricket. Club level cricket has also gotten importance under his tenure. He is also making new stadiums. WK was the best thing to happen to Pakistan. In future when we see quality cricketers coming through Pakistan we should remember his efforts.
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People in Pakistan have been starved of home cricket, I'm sure they would not raise issues if we played Sri Lanka a few times.
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I know for certain that NZC would have struggled financially if PCB did not tour them in December.
They suffered from the COVID-19 Pandemic, and it's no surprise that their players rush off to the IPL for contracts because they don't get paid much by their own board.
They don't have any T20 league which international stars look to participate in, so they have very limited revenue streams. They lack a decent home population that is interested in cricket, so they are very cautious of their expenses and revenue that they earn.
Pakistan refusing to tour would be problematic, but not too much. They could easily invite other teams.
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5 tours happened before this NZ pull out.
New situation has arisen after this. ECB NZC are out. CA likely to follow. BCCI doesn't tour. Thats the top 4 teams out. ICC will do jack because BD SL Zim hold little significance in the ICC.
PSL doesn't have many top players from NZ England SA Australia. So lets not even talk about it.
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This position will be untenable. Your broadcast rights valuation will take a beating. If the issue is how expensive the UAE is to host, Pakistan can always host somewhere less expensive like Malaysia etc. Nobody will buy or atleast pay a fair amount if all top 4 teams refuse to play in Pakistans home season.
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PCB will have to put forward the position either play in Pakistan or fund hundred percent of the UAE expenses yourselves or request ICC to foot the bill.
But even then this is a dangerous position because you don't want to make these nations get comfortable in playing in the UAE where they think this is a permanent solution
I think the PCB definately needs to gamble with a more hardline stance and try a different approach than the one they have been using for the past ten decade. It is insanity to keep doing the same thing and expecting different results
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This is where the negotiating skills of RR and WK will be tested on how they deal with the broadcasters
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Whats your point? When did I mention anything about lobbying in my post?
I have just mentioned that there are teams which have and will tour so focus home series with them rather than creating double standards for some teams and treating them differently. PCB has stated the same that they will play at home.
Pak has no other choice apart from playing in UAE. As I said, NZ - Eng - Aus wont travel to Pak for foreseable future. So neutral venues is the way to go.
Try to convince (not force) other teams to play in Pakistan. If they dont agree host them in UAE too.
Discuss about the cost sharing with ICC as hosting matches in neutral venues is expensive. ICC should help PCB here and if possible other boards should too.
Try to convince (not force) other teams to play in Pakistan. If they dont agree host them in UAE too.
Discuss about the cost sharing with ICC as hosting matches in neutral venues is expensive. ICC should help PCB here and if possible other boards should too.
The Indian advice is and always has been for Pakistan to become a doormat, whether be it cricket or international geopolitics or economics. No thanks, please keep your advice to yourself.
Hosting some teams in UAE and the rest in Pakistan is not a good look for the teams that are willing to travel to Pakistan. It will hurt PCB relations with teams traveling to Pakistan if they play other teams in UAE.
No Indian concern trolling and suggesting we go back to UAE will mention this btw, so please ignore these people.
No Indian concern trolling and suggesting we go back to UAE will mention this btw, so please ignore these people.
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If we can bully Bangladesh into playing in Pakistan, our stance should not change for others!
Bengali lives are not worthless
Bengali lives are not worthless
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Bangladeshis not Bengalis*
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Normally I would say play in neutral country but current situation shows every country in the world is in the same predicament. Pakistan should draw a line in the sand start off a rival ICC.... bring USA, China on board and in the long run it will be better for cricket internationally.
Stand on your own two feet PCB...... Or is it that your players are worth less than NZ/Eng players... when it comes to mental fatique, Covid bubbles, Security....
Stand on your own two feet PCB...... Or is it that your players are worth less than NZ/Eng players... when it comes to mental fatique, Covid bubbles, Security....
Since you accusing me of having malicious intention for being an Indian, let me be honest.
I was totally against Pakistan's support of Taliban and could see this situation coming up from a distance. You cant support a notorious outfit like them next door who deprive people of human rights, women freedom, basic liberty and expect west to keep cordial relation with Pakistan. People are not blind.
In that 'Taliban banning women cricket' thread, when everyone was busy scolding Tim Paine, I said it would set a wrong preecedent. You can check my post there where I said that I would be surprised if any gora (white) teams tour Pakistan now due to their support of Taliban. I was told every team will tour Pakistan and infact China will assist Pakistan in developing Afghanistan. What happens within 5 days? Both Eng & NZ not coming and Australia wont either. So this is something I knew gonna happen.
Now keeping the politics of it aside and I have said it multiple times that as a cricket fan I would love every team to tour Pakistan, including India (thats a different story). There are only 8 proper cricket teams under ICC and no one benefits if Pakistan cricket suffers. I was looking forward to these 2 tours as I totally enjoyed Eng vs Pak T20 series when Pak toured here in summer. Also, Indian fans have special interest in Pak cricket and vice versa due to the rivalry/history etc.
So I am upset as a cricket fan today but from a logical political angle it was inevitable.
#TruthBomb
Look, if these boards come out clean and say they are doing this for Pakistan's alleged support for Taliban then I am all for it. The fact that they claim to have some security threat, but don't want to disclose anything about this threat is basically a way to discourage other teams to play. They came out and said they won't play Afghanistan because of the women cricket team being disbanded in Afghanistan. Just make a similar statement and get it over with.
As for Pakistan's alleged support for Taliban, these countries didn't care when Pakistan like 70k people or 150b in financial losses. For Pakistan, it is more important to not have security threats from the western border then being able to host cricket for 3 nations. It's not even close in fact. And I am just giving the Pakistani POV, not my own view, since I am not too effected by what happens in Pakistan.
Please keep you double standards to yourself. This whole talk that you said about you would love to have every team tour Pakistan and yet you pounce on the opportunity to give your 2 cents about hos Pakistan should do exactly what these boards want Pakistan to do. Please keep your advise to yourself. First go to your own government to give Muslims and other casts their rights rather than criticizing Pakistan for supporting Taliban.
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Ramiz Raja strongly re emphasized this stance in his press conference today “We are not gonna go to a neutral venue, Pakistan will remain the venue”
That shall be answered in about 5 month when Australia is expected to tour.
Personally, I can see a u-turn from PCB if Australia decline to visit Pakistan since they can't just force teams to play in Pakistan. UAE again seems a more logical option than any other venue. Also, this time Pakistan may ask ICC/Boards to share the expenditure. That will definitely happen.
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Will have to see. I personally dont think that happening in the current climate as thing is the 4-5 teams and foreign players for PSL willing to come will have to be treated as allies rather than doing double standards with them.
The only reason Pak went to UAE completely post 2009 was that unfortunate incident. There is nothing like that and there is half or more of the cricketing world willing to come. It would be poor to have double standards and I dont think PCB would like to the countries willing to come to question double standards.
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PSL 2022 is absolute crucial then. But then franchise must sign current players from NZ/AUS/ENG. I don't think having retired and discarded players in PSL will convince these teams. But yes if players like Livingstone, Roy, Hales, Moeen, Neesham, Conway, Southee, Carey, Stoinis, Finch, Richardson etc. can signup for PSL that will be a massive statement.
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Also to add, Ramiz as per his press conference has already told his PCB team to start working on plan B (Of a tri series or something) incase Aus doesn’t come. So they are prepared for the potential issues. If it would have been 2009 where you couldn’t even ask much teams to come then there was no other option then UAE. However, scenario is completely different now.
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Agreed. Ramiz has mentioned that in the presser that they are going to make PSL much bigger with more money involved to attract more of the bigger names in and they are devising a plan with franchises.
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PCB needs the financial backing from the Pakistani govt to compete with Big 3 funding and to make up for lost revenues
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We have got another “absolutely not” this time by PCB chairman Ramiz Raja. Journalist asked “whats the crime of Babar, Shaheen, Rizwan, Hassan to not be able to play NZ and Eng now, will you consider neutral venue for the sake of our cricketers so that they can play”
Ramiz replied “Bilkul Nahin (Absolutely not)”
Ramiz replied “Bilkul Nahin (Absolutely not)”
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There definitely wont be a u turn No compromises will be made on where we play whether its australia or england it doesnt matter
The last 5 years gains will not be wasted Pakistan is perfectly safe for cricket as has been shown
If push comes to shove pakistan will just not play teams that refuse to tour
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That's the spirit. Go for it
If South Africa could survive apartheid era ban and build a solid structure for cricketers/cricket to survive for over a decade...then no reason why PCB cannot.
Don't forget after end of apartheid era...just months later the 1992 world cup was almost won by South Africa .. if rain/DL formula had not robbed them of sure win
If South Africa could survive apartheid era ban and build a solid structure for cricketers/cricket to survive for over a decade...then no reason why PCB cannot.
Don't forget after end of apartheid era...just months later the 1992 world cup was almost won by South Africa .. if rain/DL formula had not robbed them of sure win
I have a nasty feeling that PCB will have no choice in the near future and will have to take the unpopular decision of playing home games overseas just to ensure they still play cricket. Damage done by NZC and the New Zealand government will reverberate for a long time unfortunately.
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Worse come to worse if it comes to this, ICC and the visiting country needs to foot the UAE bill then
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Why will they foot the bill? PCB will earn revenue no?
It will look bad for PCB if other teams like SA, BD, SL, WI visit Pakistan but the drama queen teams have to be hosted in UAE. The other teams can ask to be hosted in the UAE too then.
That will never happen. Not only will they force the PCB to host in the UAE but make it sound like they are doing them a favour by coming.
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What can they do?
Dock points? We aren't winning WTC anyway
Not come to Pakistan? They aren't coming anyway.
Not play us? We don't play India at all, and barely play Aus or NZ anyway.
Literally nothing they can do more.
I think Pakistan will be able to host home series next year with at least ECB travelling. Things will quieten on the Afghanistan front and if there are no further major attacks, ECB (and may be even NZC) will tour. I dont think Australia will travel though
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In the end cricket has to be played and pakistan is already playing very less cricket , if the other countries are not willing to play in pakistan then may be we should move all our home cricket to UAE. You can not force any country to play in pakistan , pakistan stays loser in both cases and then why not play cricket and be a loser.
It’s actually cheapest to play in secondary venues in South Africa, like East London, Potchefstroom or Bloemfontein.
Hotels are around $150 per night and the grounds are set up for proper TV coverage, and SuperSport crew and facilities are cheap.
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If 4-5 teams are willing (Based upon last few years) to play in Pakistan as well as quite a few foreign players in PSL then there is no reason for Pak to compromise for 2-3 teams not playing. Otherwise that would be double standard and even the teams playing in Pakistan can question that in my opinion.
Less cricket at home is better then no cricket at home and is a way which can eventually make Pak the winner and might get remaining 2-3 teams to come. When you opt for a neutral venue you are literally losing everything and in return are only getting few more matches.
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We play home tests against bigger teams only like once in 5 years so in the grand scheme of things it wont matter much. Fans should not suffer , months of no cricket is depressing at least for me. Thats what i am saying , if others too are not ready to play in pakistan then pakistan should revert to playing in the deserts again.
Playing PSL is players individual decision so it should not be a problem. At least srilanka and west indies cricket have shown their eagerness to play in pakistan.
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Easier for fans to say this sitting outside the PCB when the reality is that PCBs finances have taken a huge hit constantly playing in the UAE for the last ten plus years not to mention the cricketing consequences. Lack of finances mean less A team tours, less money to spend on domestic cricket, less money for players, less facilities, poor coaching etc and you cannot compete with the Big 4 in these circumstances. Insanity is doing the same things again and again and expecting different results. Time for the PCB to get tough now
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Fans are always going to be sitting outside the PCB.
PCB finances will grow by increasing the revenues and not by reducing the costs.
If other teams are willing to do home tours in Pakistan, well and good. But the present case is that it is not happening now, so then don't force the visitors to take this or that decision. It will only result in more cancellations and reduce the coffers considerably.
It keeps cricket going and more sponsors will pour in. Stopping cricket will make sponsors nervous too
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Actually you can't make the likes of England, NZ and Australia comfortable with playing against you in the UAE. This is why NZ has not played Pakistan since 2003, England since 2005 and Australia since 1998. At some point the PCB has to take a tough hardline stance and keep the pressure up against these countries. Their present stance is correct i.e. only cricket in Pakistan and no where else.
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Not a bad shout. You might even get a few local Pakistani supporters in the grounds, and the pitches would probably be a lot more sporting than in the UAE.
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PCB should only host countries that are unwilling to come to Pakistan, in neutral territory. Rest everyone should be in pakistan.
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Agree. The focus should always remain to bring cricket back to Pakistan and try to recreate the atmosphere that home crowds used to generate back in the days of Wasim and Waqar.
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Lol at the naive fans who think Australia, England, New Zealand will tour Pakistan if you give them the UAE option. The facts speak for themselves where Aus hasn't toured since 1998, NZ since 2003 and England since 2005. Enough of the slavish mentality. Tell these teams to cut the **** out and come here.
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If Pakistan hosts SENA in 2nd grade SA cities and rest of the teams in pakistan. Within next 5-7 years pakistani batting will be among the top 3. Thats for sure.
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What if they refuse? Who has more to lose? SENA or Pakistan?
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It has to be cost effective for the PCB as well. If the costs of hosting outside Pakistan outweigh the revenues from the series then its not going to be worth it as has been the case for the last ten plus years
No point engaging guys like these. They want Pakistan to perpetually play their games abroad. That's why they are suggesting crap like "play in SA for 5-7 years" when it's very likely this is all a temporary blip, given this time it's not Pakistan under the gun. These are the same people that were skeptical SL, SA or BD would even visit back a few years ago.
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Why do you care? We will go bankrupt, so what? That’s what you and your country have always wanted. So why do you care now?
Its just concern trolling. They would really like for Pakistan to continue playing home series abroad perpetually, even the ones against SA, SL, BD, WI etc.
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Read my reply to rishwat.
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Thats why what [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] said makes sense.
Teams willing to tour pakistan will be hosted in pakistan.
Teams like NZ Aus Eng to be hosted in tier 2 cities of SA.
Tbh thats a very good way of developing the team too. They get to play on varied wickets.
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Why would the PCB agree to host in South Africa if it will be ten times cheaper and more profitable for them in Pakistan?
Again, no point engaging with these concern trolls. Most likely ECB will tour next year. NZ and Australia remains to be seen, but if they disagree to tour Pakistan then perhaps Pakistan can come to an arrangement that Pakistan will not tour those 2 countries either. Although it's also possible NZ and Australia tour Pakistan too. Some of these Indians are pretending and making others believe this was like a 2009 incident where the result is that these teams will not tour Pakistan for another 5-10 years. That's just not the case.
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There is British Government pressure on the ECB to fulfil its obligations to Pakistan. Maybe they will negotiate a 3 test series, 5 ODI and 5 T-20's in 2022.
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Only if ENA countries do not visit Pakistan.
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Since others aren’t touring, PCB should invite WI, SL, etc. for longer tours. 4-5 tests, 5 ODIs, and 3 T20Is.
I can see the PCB doing the 5 ODI's and of course the T20's. But not the 4-5 test series. The PCB couldn't care less about tests. They are one of the leaders in cancelling test matches.
The support for tests on the forum is misleading. They are a very small minority of Pak. fans who themselves do not bother showing up to stadiums or TV. Which one of the reasons why PCB readily cancels tests for T20's. Majority of Pakistan fans do not care about tests.
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Expected and sensible call from PCB. If they give in to this situation and go back to UAE. Aus/Eng/NZ might never agree to tour Pak in future.
But on the flip side, Pakistan are okay to not play any top tier teams for 2-3 years, assuming they are not satisfied with security situation and aren't willing to tour?
PCB may have extra costs hosting in UAE, but they still end up earning something by hosting. Whereas not hosting Aus, Eng, NZ could lead to monetary losses, which in turn could affect their investment power in PSL.
A tricky situation for PCB.
But on the flip side, Pakistan are okay to not play any top tier teams for 2-3 years, assuming they are not satisfied with security situation and aren't willing to tour?
PCB may have extra costs hosting in UAE, but they still end up earning something by hosting. Whereas not hosting Aus, Eng, NZ could lead to monetary losses, which in turn could affect their investment power in PSL.
A tricky situation for PCB.
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The reason sides like NZ (WTC, WC finalist) don't play more than 2 tests is because no one watches them. You think Pak will host WI, SL, BD for 3+ tests? It won't make any money. Broadcasters wont pay a lot for it and PCB will be lucky to break-even in such a scenario.
Can't predict what NZ and Australia will do but I think it's highly likely England will tour next year given the backlash they have received. For NZ and Australia it depends - if they aren't willing to tour Pakistan, then I think a reasonable compromise is that Pakistan doesn't tour them either, and away series to be played in those countries are played at neutral venues. This would also include multi team tournaments like the WC and WT20. My own opinion, however, there's more than a 50% chance NZ tours next year, given they haven't come out looking good in this.
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Rambo has made it clear that the PCB is not after money and is working only for the betterment of the game, as he expects from other boards. I’m sure he will walk the talk.
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Not really a tricky situation. The PCB is playing its cards right by being aggressive, we have tried to be submissive and passive against England, Australia, New Zealand for the last decade and have achieved nothing by hosting them in the UAE. Its time for a different approach now and the aggressive stance and continous noise the PCB has been making daily has created pressure on the ECB.
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That is good to hear but at the end of the day PCB needs to run domestic cricket and grow PSL. That can happen only if they make money and not lose money by hosting small teams for 5 test series.
Tri/Quad nation T20/ODI series is another deal, as LOIs at least do well from broadcast perspective.
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