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“This Pakistan team is better than this England team” : Inzamam-ul-Haq

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Inzamam-ul-Haq on Pakistan’s loss to England in the first Test:

“England won a lost match, many congratulations to them. I don’t understand how Pakistan can lose a match from that position. Credit goes to Woakes and Buttler for playing those innings under pressure.

“England should have been dismissed for under 200. When you got the main batsman for 120 then there’s no reason to let them chase 275. Pakistan made many mistakes.

“When Woakes and Buttler were batting, the whole world knows that short bowling and bowling at their body is hard for them especially Woakes. There was one short ball where he barely survived. But they barely did this type of bowling to him. He scored off bowling that was far away from his body.

“I didn’t see variation in the Pakistan bowling. There has to be a different plan for each batsman. You can’t bowl in the same way to each batsmen, they have different strengths and weaknesses. Our plan was to bowl line and length to all their batsmen. I was shocked to see that their weak areas weren’t targeted and there was no short bowling.

“We already gave England an opportunity yesterday after taking a lead of 107. We should have attacked them but we missed that opportunity and allowed them to hope that they can win and they won because of that.

“Yasir bowled well but if look at his overall bowling then he was trying to get batsmen out on every ball which is why he also went for 100 runs. When you try too hard to take wickets then you go for runs. If you have a bit of patience and you bowl at the same line then it makes the batsmen make mistakes.

“Pakistan performed well in this match previously but when they performed badly then we also have to look at what went wrong. If we look at the pacers, we look at Abbas and even though he bowled well with good line and length, the batsmen were easily managing him because he had started bowling at 125kph. When you’re bowling at a slow speed then even if you’re bowling in the right areas, it’s easy. In the first innings he wasn’t very fast either but he bowled at 130+. In this way, when the shine goes from the new ball then Abbas won’t be able to get batsmen out.

“England’s batting isn’t so big that they should be scoring 275 against Pakistan in the 4th innings. Even they couldn’t believe what they had achieved.

“In any innings, you will have a partnership. After England were 5 down and a partnership of 35 was formed, our body language became negative. We were thinking too far ahead.

“I still believe our team is very good. This Pakistan team is better than this England team. We should have won this Test and we should win the next Tests also. But when you are on the backfoot, your body language shouldn’t become so negative.

“I would like to tell the management that whenever there is a bad performance then you should make the players forget about it. They carried that third innings performance into Day 4.

“I think Pakistan can still win this series and can perform much better. But they need to have belief to do that and currently they don’t. England had the belief even when they were down. This was a very disappointing performance and the management has to lift the team. We lost a Test match we had won.”
 
England ranked 4, Pakistan ranked 7

And we almost won the game - so not bad.

Obviously we would have liked to win.

England is ranked 4 but the difference between the top 4 sides is marginal. Pakistan at 7 reflects Pakistan’s performance in tests recently with the white washes in Aus and SA and losing at home to Nzl,Wi and SL

Having said that this was actually a great performance by Pakistan team.

This test reminded me of the Pak-Afghan WC match. On paper and over all quality Pakistan is obviously way superior but Afghanistan ran them very close and in the end lost due to their own silly mistakes in a game they should have won. The one good knock there was by a lower middle order bat Imad Wasim and in this case it was Woakes.
 
The arrogance of some Pakistan fans and ex Pakistan players is amazing. Other than Babar and Yasir, no one else gets in the England team if we are honest. Shaheen still needs more games and to perform for a bit longer.
 
The arrogance of some Pakistan fans and ex Pakistan players is amazing. Other than Babar and Yasir, no one else gets in the England team if we are honest. Shaheen still needs more games and to perform for a bit longer.

Quite extraordinary statement from Inzi. Surely he doesn’t genuinely believe that. Pakistan are the inferior side. For them to win they need to play above expectations and England to play below par — almost happened in the last Test. Not going to happen in the next two.
Quite simply, if England and Pakistan both play to par, England win every time in England.
 
Pakistan performed to the best of their abilities. In fact, even better than that. Shan played an innings of his life. Yasir, Abbas, Babar, Rizwan, Shadab all had a great game. Wicket was suitable for them. Won toss.

OTOH, 4 out of England's top 5 players had a below par game (Root, Stokes, Anderson, Archer). The rest weren't that good either except maybe Pope and Woakes until day 3. Wicket was not suited for them. Lost toss

And still England won. I'll just leave it at that. :)
 
Pakistan performed to the best of their abilities. In fact, even better than that. Shan played an innings of his life. Yasir, Abbas, Babar, Rizwan, Shadab all had a great game. Wicket was suitable for them. Won toss.

OTOH, 4 out of England's top 5 players had a below par game (Root, Stokes, Anderson, Archer). The rest weren't that good either except maybe Pope and Woakes until day 3. Wicket was not suited for them. Lost toss

And still England won. I'll just leave it at that. :)

Exactly so — we won’t play that well again, they won’t play that badly. Ergo, they win
 
Inzamam ul haq is going back a few years with this observation
The teams not really the same since he left as selector
Were really missing Faheem ashraf and also a fit hasan ali
 
Inzamam ul haq is going back a few years with this observation
The teams not really the same since he left as selector
Were really missing Faheem ashraf and also a fit hasan ali

Defo Hassan ali espically that he can bat better than any of our tail ender put together
 
No, this Pakistan team is not better than the England team.

This Pakistan team has 2 or 3 players who can win you a match, whereas the England team has many players who can singlehandedly take you to victory.

Match the players up against each other and it's probably about 8 - 3 in England's favour.
 
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For a 7th ranked team, the amount of arrogance that our fans and ex-players exhibit is amazing.

We clearly deserve to be humiliated.
 
His point about not bowling short balls is spot on. And both Naseem and Afridi have the pace to do so
 
Talent wise yes.
But England handles pressure better
 
Talent wise yes.
But England handles pressure better

Talent is a ridiculously overused word. It is irrelevant unless applied to produce results — runs, wickets and wins.
We content ourselves with having so much “talent”, puff out our chests when a (usually English) commentator praises all the natural talent hailing from Pakistan and then proceed to end up 7th in the Test rankings.
Give me some mentally tough, less talented players who will slug it out when the going gets tough
 
Yes , in the same way as Imam is better than Lara.
Pakistan fans need to understand that Pakistan does not have the talent that is boasted around.

On top of that the management including coaching staff is very very poor , the future looks very very bleak.
 
His point about not bowling short balls is spot on. And both Naseem and Afridi have the pace to do so

Shaheen Afridi’s pace is slower than even Bhuvi’s average speed. I am not showing that to call him a trundler but he is at best 140K bowler on his best days but at best 135-140. Has great skills though but still a little raw.

Even Naseem is not exactly express. Express was someone like Tait,Akthar,Lee,Bond. Naseem is fast.

If we see the hype one would think these 2 have already run through the best of batting line ups over 5 years.

The truth is these guys have great potential and talent ,are very raw and still have a long future ahead but they are no where near finished goods.

I have seen batsmen and bowlers more talented than some of the ATG’s burst on to the scene and fizzle out. I mean who in 2010 could expect Amir and Umar Akmals career trajectory in 2020?

Can’t blame the Pakistani fans, we are also guilty as charged of getting carried away and hyping exciting youngsters but sure, some and key word some Pakistani fans take the hype to the next level :))
 
If it helps us sleep better at night or we want to celebrate moral victory, then of course Pak is better than England.

However, we need better planning for a whole Test match, seems like any plans went out of the window by the time it came to Pak's 2nd inns.

Here, we put up a pathetic total thinking the game was already won and then couldn't defend a challenging 277 total.
 
I think Pakistani bowling is better than England's bowling. But, England have superior batting.
 
I think Pakistani bowling is better than England's bowling. But, England have superior batting.

We have better spin options, but their pacers are overall better. Our young pacers are hyped to the moon and then flatter to deceive.
 
Anderson is finished. Archer is overrated. Only Broad is good.

Now you’re really tempting fate for the next two tests ! ....also I didn’t mention Archer, who clearly has some issues at the moment, but Woakes who is seriously underrated
 
Pakistan performed to the best of their abilities. In fact, even better than that. Shan played an innings of his life. Yasir, Abbas, Babar, Rizwan, Shadab all had a great game. Wicket was suitable for them. Won toss.

OTOH, 4 out of England's top 5 players had a below par game (Root, Stokes, Anderson, Archer). The rest weren't that good either except maybe Pope and Woakes until day 3. Wicket was not suited for them. Lost toss

And still England won. I'll just leave it at that. :)
What are you on about?

Babar, Shadab and Rizwan had a poor game.

Root was his normal self where he either gets 50 or less.

The only outliers were Shan (dropped 2X, Stokes, Butler, and Woakes.

The teams are even; the match could have gone either way.
 
Shaheen Afridi’s pace is slower than even Bhuvi’s average speed. I am not showing that to call him a trundler but he is at best 140K bowler on his best days but at best 135-140.

Perhaps you were watching him for the first time in this Test when his pace was down. He was mostly around 135k but started bowling around 140k toward the end of the match. Clearly not at his best/out of rhythm after the extended break.

In recent times, his pace had been increasing quite regularly. He hit 150k in the PSL and bowled consistently at around 145k.

During the Australia tour last year, he bowled consistently at around 140k during Tests even when he was bowling 30+ overs in an innings.

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This team selection is definitely better than Inzamam's choices. It offers hope but there lack of strategy and X factor players that Pakistan are use to. Naseem with a good bouncer and Yorker could be that person, Yasir Shah with a good slider would be that person.
 
We bossed the game.
That is how we need to get our players to think.
The England side is about to get weaker ( Crawley for stokes)
We should be making our side stronger ( Abid Azhar shafiq complete passengers- imam will do a better job then all of them)
That England team was battle hardened and we pretty much came in cold. Test cricket is different and we haven't played in 6 months.

We go again on Thursday with the belief we can beat these lot.

(Can misbah and Azhar instill this belief is the question)
 
This team selection is definitely better than Inzamam's choices. It offers hope but there lack of strategy and X factor players that Pakistan are use to. Naseem with a good bouncer and Yorker could be that person, Yasir Shah with a good slider would be that person.

Still think Yasir should have kept bowling around the wicket into the rough to both the batters after tea.

Butler got a few sweeps and reverse sweeps away but that was a low percentage shot from that rough. He hit 5 or 6 but needed 25-30 Huge bottle job by the think thank
 
Pakistan dominated large parts of the match but the key session went England's way and that is worrying. Pakistan ran out of steam and out of ideas.
 
Perhaps you were watching him for the first time in this Test when his pace was down. He was mostly around 135k but started bowling around 140k toward the end of the match. Clearly not at his best/out of rhythm after the extended break.

In recent times, his pace had been increasing quite regularly. He hit 150k in the PSL and bowled consistently at around 145k.

During the Australia tour last year, he bowled consistently at around 140k during Tests even when he was bowling 30+ overs in an innings.

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PSL Speed guns really? If it makes you feel better, I don't pay much attention to IPL speed guns or T20 speed guns either. I have seen some average trundlers hit 140K's easily in T20's. Not saying Shaheen is one.

You guys need to accept he is not a speed demon but a very skillful bowler with a huge upside. Huge upside is the key word but posts here would like you to believe he is already half way there to become the next Wasim Akram.

I have no problem in hyping youngsters. Guilty as charged in that matter but right now these guys need to be groomed, play a lot of cricket before a calling them scary bowlers who will run through line ups. I am sure they eventually will but right now they are far from it and no Shaheen is once again not and never will be a 150 K bowler. Mark my words he won't even be a 145+ bowler.Once again doesn't mean he will not become a future star or a great bowler. Plenty of greats who are in that speed range. There are 2 with 1000+ wickets among them playing in the opposition who are in the same speed range.. Anyways, If T20 is the benchmark, I have seen guys like H.Pandya and Russell hit 145+ too but doesn't make them express bowlers.
 
Pakistan has a better top and middle order at least on paper but England's all-rounders and bowlers make them the better team.
 
Inzi is playing for gallery here. He has lots of great observations in those statements but the comparison with English team was a bit foolish, I would say because he is Inzamam-ul-Haq, not Basit Ali. Few months back Wasim Akram gave a similar statement (wrapped with the cover that some foreign players told him) regarding bowling quality of PSL v IPL. That time, I listed names and suggested that if anyone takes this list (of players from respective leagues) and asks him point blank to justify his comment, he’ll end up with red face ..... because he is Wasim Akram, not Abdur Razzak. Similarly, Inzi should refrain himself from being the Basit Ali..,.
 
PSL Speed guns really? If it makes you feel better, I don’t pay much attention to IPL speed guns or T20 speed guns either. I have seen some average trundlers hit 140K’s easily in T20’s. Not saying Shaheen is one.

You guys need to accept he is not a speed demon but a very skillful bowler with a huge upside. Huge upside is the key word but posts here would like you to believe he is already half way there to become the next Wasim Akram.

I have no problem in hyping youngsters. Guilty as charged in that matter but right now these guys need to be groomed, play a lot of cricket before a calling them scary bowlers who will run through line ups. I am sure they eventually will but right now they are far from it and no Shaheen is once again not and never will be a 150 K bowler. Mark my words he won’t even be a 145+ bowler.Once again doesn’t mean he will not become a future star or a great bowler. Plenty of greats who are in that speed range. There are 2 with 1000+ wickets among them playing in the opposition who are in the same speed range.. Anyways, If T20 is the benchmark, I have seen guys like H.Pandya and Russell hit 145+ too but doesn’t make them express bowlers.

You are changing the goalposts now when it’s been proven that your initial post had no solid ground.

He is 6’6”, he doesn’t need to bowl at 150k regularly. But he has already hit that mark and has regularly bowled at around 140kph in Tests while hitting the high-140s. If you watched Pakistan’s Test matches over the past year, you’d know that. He has plenty of advantages without having to “be the next 150k bowler.” I have never seen anyone calling him a speed demon anyway, so that’s a strawman argument.

Since you watched him for the first time on his off-day, you dismissed him as “slower than Bhuvi.” :))

The rest is a matter of your opinion and there’s nothing wrong with having one.
 
What are you on about?

Babar, Shadab and Rizwan had a poor game.

Root was his normal self where he either gets 50 or less.

The only outliers were Shan (dropped 2X, Stokes, Butler, and Woakes.

The teams are even; the match could have gone either way.

Babar scored 69 crucial runs in the first innings. He failed in the 2nd essay but noway can we say that he had a poor game.

Shadab scored 60 runs in the match (very good for an AR particularly for that situation) and picked 2/30 in the first innings.

Rizwan was brilliant in his primary role (WK) and okayish in his secondary (with the bat)

"Poor game" is what you call Abid Ali or Azhar Ali had. Or Burns or Anderson.

I still think both sides are evenly matched with England having a slight edge as I did before the start of the first test. But to say so after just losing a game where most in the opponent's team weren't even interested in winning the game for most part of the first 3 days and at the same time more than half your players playing at the best of their abilities ? Now someone surely has to draw a line.
 
Another fine example of Pakistan’s superiority.

I think some people were right when they named 5-6 Pakistani players in a combined Pakistan-England XI.
 
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