10fer - Jim Laker vs Anil Kumble vs Ajaz Patel - which one was better?

[Mobashir]

What a moment!
What a performance!

Probably one of the hardest thing to do, he has done it!

BRAVO!





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[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Which one is better? Anil Kumble's 10-fer or Ajaz Patel's 10-fer.

In my opinion Kumble's 10-fer against Pakistan was better because they used to play spin pretty well. On the other hand this current Indian team mostly struggles against half decent spinners these days. Which 10-fer is better according to you?

 

[Cover Drive Six]

Kumble by miles..

 

[Babeikh]

Kumble's because it was India v Pakistan and the match situation / context.

Still got to hand it to Ajaz, though.

 

[Mesozoic]

If NZ wins this game, then Ajaz's by a long way.

 

[MenInG]

If NZ win this game then Ajaz's effort will require another look but at the moment, Kumble one the better.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

Ajaz 10fer came after losing toss in first innings.

A spinner can only dream of such a feat.

 

[Mobashir]

I think the time to compare should come later. So far Ajaz Patel just deserves praise to have accomplished on of the most difficult feats in cricket!

 

[Pollack]

Azaj Patel, because it came against no 2 test side.

 

[Captain]

Everytime Kumble's ten fer comes to mind, it reminds me of that local umpire at his end... God he was more keen on Kumble's ten fer than Kumble himself !

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Anil Kumbles' ten wickets came in the 4th innings.
So I would rate Ajaz 's performance higher.

 

[Romali_rotti]

I would give Ajaz Patel a nod ahead if NZ wins the test match. To get a 10for away from home and also win the test match is once in a lifetime feat..

As of now it is Kumble.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Everytime Kumble's ten fer comes to mind, it reminds me of that local umpire at his end... God he was more keen on Kumble's ten fer than Kumble himself !

All the wickets barring Afridi was clear out, Afridi was a questionable decision.

Here Virat Kohli was clear not out..

 

[SpiritOf1903]

Kumble given the match but Ajaz seriously impressive. First innings they were 0-80

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

Knowledgeable and educated crowd from Kolkata did that in 1999 during Asian Test Championship. They did the same during WC semi final in 1996 against Sri Lanka and brought embarrassment to Indian cricket.

Difference between Chennai (applauding all tourists, even Pakistanis) and Kolkata!

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Few things to note :

1.) Kumble's 10-fer came in the 4th inning
2.) Pitch and umpiring in that match was not upto the mark.
3.) Pakistan had better players of spin than the current Indian team.
4.) Ajaz Patel took a 10-fer on a pitch where a tailender like Axar Patel scored a 50 and fast bowler Siraj is getting wickets easily.

Currently I think Kumble's 10-fer is better because it helped India win that match. Otherwise there is hardly anything that separates these two amazing bowling performances.

 

[Eye_Done]

Half of Kumle wickets were not out. It was fraud 10 fer thanks to Indian umpire.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Currently I think Kumble's 10-fer is better because it helped India win that match. Otherwise there is hardly anything that separates these two amazing bowling performances.

If NZ wins, Ajaz Patel is definitely the better performance no doubt about it..

 

[CrIc_Mystique]

Why only Anil Kumble
Why not also include Jim Laker in the original question?

 

[docteurmanish]

Kumble by miles

Wankhede pitch even the Australian left arm spinner part time had taken bunch of wickets . In general pitch rewards fast spinners like Monty who bowl quick and accurate

This pitch has bite and something for all good bowlers . Given how badly rest of nz bowlers bowled , aizaz taking 20 won’t help . Score of 325 enoug to win I believe .

Mayank 150 here is like 300 on a swinging seaming johansbrg pitch

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

If NZ wins, Ajaz Patel is definitely the better performance no doubt about it..

NZ are not going to win it and this will be remembered as a personal record for Ajaz only.

 

[MenInG]

Poll added.

 

[MenInG]

Why only Anil Kumble
Why not also include Jim Laker in the original question?

Included in the poll.

 

[Rajdeep]

Half of Kumle wickets were not out. It was fraud 10 fer thanks to Indian umpire.

That is the jealousy within you speaking and understandably so but the reality is none of his 10 wickets were due to biased umpiring.

1)Shahid Afridi - Caught behind and with today's DRS would be out everytime. Even if there was no edge its marginal and no way umpire can be blamed favouring Kumble

2)Ijaz Ahmed - Plumb LBW...watch the replay and run it with todays online DRS technology

3)Inzamam Ul Haq - Bowled out..not much umpires can do

4)Yousuf Youhana - Plumb LBW and again if doubt run it with today's DRS tech. There is hardly any plumber lbw than this.

5)Moeen Khan - Caught at slip. Not sure what umpire can do

6)Saeed Anwar - Caught at silly point...again nothing to do with umpire

7)Salim Malik - Clean bowled. Umpires??

8)Mushtaq Ahmed - Caught at slip. Nothing to do with umpires

9)Saqlain Mushtaq - Plumb LBW...absolutely plumb.

10)Wasim Akram - Caught at silly point

So apart from Shahid Afridi wicket which was a marginal call, not a single wicket is due to poor umpiring.

Paksitani fans are not able to forget that spell even after 22 years and try to find excuse by blaming umpires. And this is exactly why Kumble's 10 fer will always remain the best bcoz it still burns the entire nation )

Long live Anil Kumble

 

[CrIc_Mystique]

Included in the poll.

cheers m8

 

[street cricketer]

Jim Laker's was definitely the best. Was privileged to have watched it live.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

Ajaz Patel: Quite a special occasion for me and not just me but my family. Unfortunately for me, they're not here because of Covid. Honestly, it's surreal and to be able to do that in my career is pretty special. The stars have aligned for me to do it in Mumbai. I'm in very illustrious company with Kumble sir as well. Obviously, not a great start for us, but we have a few boys in the shed and put on some runs. Not anyone in particular and just trying to be repetitive and ask questions (which wicket did you enjoy more?)

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

Jim Laker's was definitely the best. Was privileged to have watched it live.

are you serious or joking streety?

 

[MenInG]

Post sensibly on this thread or hold your peace.

 

[CrIc_Mystique]

TBH some of the decisions in the Delhi test where Anil got his 10 were doubtful.
I would not say the umpires were biased but possibly incompetent or made mistakes and there a massive difference.
However, i would say the way Anil bowled on that day, even if some of the decisions were overturned, he looked like getting a wicket any moment, every ball.
He would still have got 10. Destined.

Other than that, what a fab performance by aamchi ex mumbaikar patel, the whole commie box erupted when the ball was in the air for the 10th wicket.

And lastly, just saw the VDO message of congratulations from Anil K. What a fabulous vdo typical anil, full of humility and praise, one champ to another.

 

[CrIc_Mystique]

Jim Laker's was definitely the best. Was privileged to have watched it live.

What about Bradman, did u seen him bat as well ina test?

 

[Napa]

Number of runs conceded: Laker 53, Kumble 74 and Patel 119.

Looking at runs only it is Laker.

 

[sam_ahm]

Congratulations to Azaj Patel, incredi le stuff!

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Number of runs conceded: Laker 53, Kumble 74 and Patel 119.

Looking at runs only it is Laker.

How about opposition's ability to play spin? Pakistan was a better team at that time so for me it is Kumble.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

How about opposition's ability to play spin? Pakistan was a better team at that time so for me it is Kumble.

Yes Kumble's performance can be rated higher especially considering the fact that it cam against Pak's best side and not India D.
But I think the first inning factor is in favour of Siraj

 

[Saj]

I remember watching the Kumble one.

Definitely some very poor umpiring amongst the 10 dismissals.

 

[Messiah]

Yes Kumble's performance can be rated higher especially considering the fact that it cam against Pak's best side and not India D.
But I think the first inning factor is in favour of Siraj

This is definitely not a India B side, much less D. Mayank played a innings Rohit would likely not play. Rohit and Pant the only players you could see getting in the XI.

 

[Major]

Every 10 fer has its own place. Cant compare, getting this achievement is very very very difficult. So all the 10fers ever taken have their respect up there.

 

[Rajdeep]

I remember watching the Kumble one.

Definitely some very poor umpiring amongst the 10 dismissals.

Sir I listed all the 10 wickets above. Can you pls tell me which wickets were due to poor umpiring? Only Afridi one was iffy and rest all were out. Even Afridi's one was not a howler by any means.

 

[Walawalkar]

Congratulations Ajaz Patel
Once in a lifetime performance

 

[AAli98]

Ind spinners 7 for 35.
Ashwin 4 for 8.

I the content of the game & pitch not good enough!

 

[Shaddy86]

I haven't seen a single ball of this match but looking at the scorecard where NZ are bundled out for 60 odd in the first inning. It has to be Kumble, surely the pitches weren't half as bad as this one.

 

[Aman]

Ajaz's doesn't look as good given how we batted and Kumble got favorable umpiring so Laker by default?

 

[MP2011]

I haven't seen a single ball of this match but looking at the scorecard where NZ are bundled out for 60 odd in the first inning. It has to be Kumble, surely the pitches weren't half as bad as this one.

NZ were bundled for 62 because they were pathetic as they always are in India.

You conveninetly forgot to point out that India scored 325 on the same pitch.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Yes Kumble's performance can be rated higher especially considering the fact that it cam against Pak's best side and not India D.
But I think the first inning factor is in favour of Siraj

Siraj?

 

[Ab Fan]

My answer will be Anil Kumble and it is mostly down to in what adversity they achieved it against the opposition teams.

Kumble's performance came against opponents who tried hard denying him that achievement compared to Ajaz against whom Indian batters just tried playing the game the way it should be played and showed bigger heart.

Not too old to remember Laker's performance, so can't form an opinion on it

 

[MP2011]

Laker's 19 wickets in that test definitely makes that performance as most dominating indivdual performance in a test match, ever. No one even comes close.

3 bowlers have taken 16 wickets in a test, Massie, Hirwani and Murali. Barnes took 17 wickets in a single test.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

I voted for Kumble earlier but on second thought i would change it to Patel.
Pakistan being Pakistan, you never know there was some mischief especially with Salim Malik and Wasim Akram in the team.

 

[Cryin Out Loud]

Jim Laker's was definitely the best. Was privileged to have watched it live.

Say what? You saw this LIVE in 1956?

Whoa

 

[Cryin Out Loud]

I remember watching the Kumble one.

Definitely some very poor umpiring amongst the 10 dismissals.

Which ones exactly?

 

[MenInG]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Great work Ajaz!! Congratulations on a wonderful feat, I still have some memories of the 1999 Delhi Test - outstanding spell by Kumble, I was going to score my second 100 when I was given out &#55357;&#56832; <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/INDvzNZ?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#INDvzNZ</a></p>— Shahid Afridi (@SAfridiOfficial) <a href="https://twitter.com/SAfridiOfficial/status/1467075073425166339?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 4, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Great work Ajaz!! Congratulations on a wonderful feat, I still have some memories of the 1999 Delhi Test - outstanding spell by Kumble, I was going to score my second 100 when I was given out �� <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/INDvzNZ?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#INDvzNZ</a></p>— Shahid Afridi (@SAfridiOfficial) <a href="https://twitter.com/SAfridiOfficial/status/1467075073425166339?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 4, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

he was not out. the bat hit his pad.
rest 9 were out caught in slips or bowled or plumb lbws

 

[Rajdeep]

he was not out. the bat hit his pad.
rest 9 were out caught in slips or bowled or plumb lbws

That too was marginal and not a howler by any means. Pakistani fans now going into Kumble's twitter account and saying umpire gifted him 10 wickets. When asked about which ones, none of them replies

 

[street cricketer]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Great work Ajaz!! Congratulations on a wonderful feat, I still have some memories of the 1999 Delhi Test - outstanding spell by Kumble, I was going to score my second 100 when I was given out &#55357;&#56832; <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/INDvzNZ?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#INDvzNZ</a></p>— Shahid Afridi (@SAfridiOfficial) <a href="https://twitter.com/SAfridiOfficial/status/1467075073425166339?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 4, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

To be fair to Afridi, he got a rough decision from the umpire for his dismissal.

Although I don't think it was a biased decision, the bat seems to have brushed the pad when the ball was very close to the bat and the everyone probably thought he nicked it, except Afridi of course who would've known the truth. Would've been overturned in the DRS era.

 

[sweep_shot]

I think Patel's was the best one considering it was against India in India.

 

[Lahorijat]

Patel was clearly better because it came in away conditions and also in first innings for a spinner. It is like shaheen or bumrah getting 10fer in SENA. This is an achievement that Is new and different.

 

[James]

An away bowler, against India in India?

Got to be Ajaz.

 

[Robert]

An away bowler, against India in India?

Got to be Ajaz.

Hmm, even Root took 5-7 there so I am not so sure if Indians are that great at playing spin any longer..

Laker also had a ninefer in the first innings of his tenfer match while competing with the excellent Lock. It was on the bunsenest Bunsen ever sent in England though, the groundsmen were sweeping billows of dust off it.

 

[Kianig89]

Has to be Ajaz with DRS in action its very difficult to get 10fer that too in 1st innings not to mention Kumble's 4 wickets were gifted by prakash

 

[Rajdeep]

Has to be Ajaz with DRS in action its very difficult to get 10fer that too in 1st innings not to mention Kumble's 4 wickets were gifted by prakash

Again which 4 wickets you are talking about? Be specific

 

[MenInG]

 

[Ahmad-GERMANFC]

Jim Laker's was definitely the best. Was privileged to have watched it live.

People really don’t get sarcasm lol.

You’re obv poking fun at the idea of it being judged because no one actually saw it to be able to take that call

 

[Technics 1210]

What a moment!
What a performance!

Probably one of the hardest thing to do, he has done it!

BRAVO!

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If you watch the video, AP performs a sajda after his 5fr.

 

[Buffet]

Spinner taking 10 in India against India. Especially it wasn't some crumbling wicket where darters could take wickets. I saw some portion of the play. He bowled well.

 

[iiqbal]

Half of Kumle wickets were not out. It was fraud 10 fer thanks to Indian umpire.

Agreed. Specially first wicket of afraid. A blind cannot give out on that ball.

 

[James]

Laker also had a ninefer in the first innings of his tenfer match while competing with the excellent Lock. It was on the bunsenest Bunsen ever sent in England though, the groundsmen were sweeping billows of dust off it.

This is the thing, Laker took all of his on the proverbial sticky wicket.

 

[iiqbal]

Again which 4 wickets you are talking about? Be specific

I can recall afraid decision was wrong and that was also turning point of match.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

3 of Kumbles wickets would have been overturned using DRS.

Afidi, Ijazi and Yousuf would have been not out imo.

Interesting that Kumble got his 10fer once he had changed ends and was bowling infront of the home umpire.

Cant really blame Anil for it though.

Imo its the best of the lot given the occasion.

Patels 10fer was amazing of course but wont win them the match.

Cant comment on Jimmy Laker.

 

[Forward Defensive Push]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Great work Ajaz!! Congratulations on a wonderful feat, I still have some memories of the 1999 Delhi Test - outstanding spell by Kumble, I was going to score my second 100 when I was given out &#55357;&#56832; <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/INDvzNZ?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#INDvzNZ</a></p>— Shahid Afridi (@SAfridiOfficial) <a href="https://twitter.com/SAfridiOfficial/status/1467075073425166339?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 4, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Poor guy still holds spite.. That 10-fer still haunts I'll be honest (me included)

 

[Forward Defensive Push]

Objectively speaking we can go on and discredit every single bowling performance before drs. The fact is we played horrendous cricket and lost the match. Kumble thumped the greatest Pakistani team ever assembled. That's the thing that hurts more. We should have never dropped a single match against Indian team of the 90's.

 

[Forward Defensive Push]

Ajaz bowled well but I think his haul is more to do with how poor the other bowlers in his team are. Not a single other bowler from NZ looked like picking a wicket. The fact that NZ were shot down for 62 right after this tells a story. I get a feeling this feat from Ajaz will be only remembered for trivia and academic reasons.

 

[Eye_Done]

That is the jealousy within you speaking and understandably so but the reality is none of his 10 wickets were due to biased umpiring.

1)Shahid Afridi - Caught behind and with today's DRS would be out everytime. Even if there was no edge its marginal and no way umpire can be blamed favouring Kumble

2)Ijaz Ahmed - Plumb LBW...watch the replay and run it with todays online DRS technology

3)Inzamam Ul Haq - Bowled out..not much umpires can do

4)Yousuf Youhana - Plumb LBW and again if doubt run it with today's DRS tech. There is hardly any plumber lbw than this.

5)Moeen Khan - Caught at slip. Not sure what umpire can do

6)Saeed Anwar - Caught at silly point...again nothing to do with umpire

7)Salim Malik - Clean bowled. Umpires??

8)Mushtaq Ahmed - Caught at slip. Nothing to do with umpires

9)Saqlain Mushtaq - Plumb LBW...absolutely plumb.

10)Wasim Akram - Caught at silly point

So apart from Shahid Afridi wicket which was a marginal call, not a single wicket is due to poor umpiring.

Paksitani fans are not able to forget that spell even after 22 years and try to find excuse by blaming umpires. And this is exactly why Kumble's 10 fer will always remain the best bcoz it still burns the entire nation )

Long live Anil Kumble

Afridi,Yousuf & Ijaz were clear not outs and would be overturned with DRS. Kumble 10 fer should be mentioned with asterisk sign due to howlers by the umpire. Good to see Kumble record has been broken in his own back yard. This will haunt the indians for a long time. Karma hit them hard.

 

[Rajdeep]

Afridi,Yousuf & Ijaz were clear not outs and would be overturned with DRS. Kumble 10 fer should be mentioned with asterisk sign due to howlers by the umpire. Good to see Kumble record has been broken in his own back yard. This will haunt the indians for a long time. Karma hit them hard.

1) Yousuf and Ijaz were plumb lbw but then again I dont expect everyone to understand cricket.

2) Afridi's wicket was 19-20 decision where as Ajaz's 10 fer include the howler that Kohli got

3) There is no Karma bcoz Kumble's 10 fer still haunts Pakistanis even after 22 years

#Facts

 

[Rajdeep]

3 of Kumbles wickets would have been overturned using DRS.

Afidi, Ijazi and Yousuf would have been not out imo.

Interesting that Kumble got his 10fer once he had changed ends and was bowling infront of the home umpire.

Cant really blame Anil for it though.

Imo its the best of the lot given the occasion.

Patels 10fer was amazing of course but wont win them the match.

Cant comment on Jimmy Laker.

Ijaz and Yousuf were plumb lbw. Why dont you post the images here and let people decide?

Ijaz's one was in the blockhole and hitting base of middle stump. Yousuf's lbw cant get any plumber and was hitting middle stump too.

 

[Napa]

Good to see Kumble record has been broken in his own back yard. This will haunt the indians for a long time. Karma hit them hard.

Kumble took a lot less overs (26.3 vs 47.5) and gave away a lot fewer runs (74 vs 119). So at best you can say his record has been equaled and not broken. Indians are sleeping peacefully, knowing Kumble’s record is safe .

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Ijaz and Yousuf were plumb lbw. Why dont you post the images here and let people decide?

Ijaz's one was in the blockhole and hitting base of middle stump. Yousuf's lbw cant get any plumber and was hitting middle stump too.

Ah ok so you are happy Afridi is not out and accept that technically he got 9 and the umpire gave him one.

Personally, Ive got no real interest in convincing people either way. The record books say 10 wickets and therefore it is 10 wickets and thats the end of the matter. However I do feel there was a massive home umpire bias in some of the wickets. Pretty normal for the time though so can't really fault Kumble or downplay his achievements too much.

If you watch the clips on youtube you will how the commentator even remarked that the ball was going down leg side for Ijaz and Yousuf was quite a way down the pitch to be given LBW.

Im saying the umpires gave him 3.... and you accept he gave him one.

We can debate this to the death but it wont change the outcome. He has 10 wickets in the record books against an arch rival in a match that India won....that far exceeds Ajaz contribution ( which was also magnificent)

 

[docteurmanish]

If drs was there , kumble would have mostly benifitted . U are seeing decisions given out

Go through that match and so many lbw were given not out . Think kumble bowled against an attack of good quality batting makes his 10 wicket haul a great achievement . Don’t forget that he had good suppprt bowlers who couldn’t take wickets . Unlike New Zealand , where the suppor bowlers were toothless .

Imo , Murali , warne we’re all capable of taking 10 wickets . Credit to those teams that they have at least 3 bowlers on any day to take wickets .

Kumble was in such a team yet managed a special feat . Also the pitch kumble bowled on was not as spin friendly as today . Pitch in wankhede has pace spin and bounce . Look at the records and u will see so manny spells by spinners - Monty , harbhajan . Truly kumble was much better spell . Aizaz to his credit has performed exceptional . But not at kumble level

 

[arif_2021]

this is far better, because ajaz is not an experienced bowler and bowled in first innings of a test match against a home team.

kumble had 2-3 decisions that were shockers plus srinath was bowling wides so kumble can take 10 wickets...they were fishing for the record, but ajaz was not

 

[U$ofA]

Afridi,Yousuf & Ijaz were clear not outs and would be overturned with DRS. Kumble 10 fer should be mentioned with asterisk sign due to howlers by the umpire. Good to see Kumble record has been broken in his own back yard. This will haunt the indians for a long time. Karma hit them hard.

It cannot be broken. Only equaled. Same way Kumble equaled Laker's record, Ajaz equaled the other two.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Ijaz was Plumb, it wouldve hit middle.

Yousuf was always umpires call and it would have hit the stumps even if DRS was available.

Afridi was a 50/50, I feel he may have not hit it, unlucky.

My Favorite was Moin Khan that bloody cheat after he claimed the greatest bumped catch of all time in broad daylight shamelessly in the Chennai test match seems to act all innocent after he nicked the ball and got given out @1:59 KARMA KARMA KARMA, LOVED IT!!!!!!!!!!