That's typical Pakistani habit of blaming others when they loose. It's either the umpires or the pitch or these days it's one of their own players who in their eyes single handedly loose the match while the remaining 10 players are never to be blamed. You guys always need a villian to be blamed. I am not much of Kumble fan but I seriously believe that had there been DRS around in his days, he would have finished with 100 wkts more easily. Coming back to this test, i think purely cricketing skill wise ajaz has achieved something bigger than kumble but all achievements in any field are measured contextually. So kumble's feat has much higher standing.
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That's typical Pakistani habit of blaming others when they loose. It's either the umpires or the pitch or these days it's one of their own players who in their eyes single handedly loose the match while the remaining 10 players are never to be blamed. You guys always need a villian to be blamed. I am not much of Kumble fan but I seriously believe that had there been DRS around in his days, he would have finished with 100 wkts more easily. Coming back to this test, i think purely cricketing skill wise ajaz has achieved something bigger than kumble but all achievements in any field are measured contextually. So kumble's feat has much higher standing.
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It wasn’t a sticky - that refers to a rained-on wicket where strong sun came out and the wicket “sweated”.
It was a super dry dustbowl where the top was coming off and literally blowing away.
Laker still did brilliantly to take 19 wickets to Lock’s one.
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I know an old chap who saw Bradman bat. Laker’s Match hasn’t entirely faded from living memory.
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In 2349 men's Test matches, a ten-wicket innings haul has been achieved just three times. We take a look at each heroic effort.
Jim Laker - 10/53 (51.2 overs) v Australia - Manchester, 1956
Travelling from Headingley after an innings victory to level the series one match apiece, England, largely through the off-spin of Jim Laker, came into the fourth 1956 Ashes Test match high on confidence.
Laker was in imperious form, taking 11 wickets as Australia fell to 143 and 140 all out, and the Old Trafford surface was tipped to spin big. Batting first after captain Peter May won the toss, England largely negotiated Australia’s spin duo of Richie Benaud and Ian Johnson, posting 459.
England’s opening quick bowlers Brian Statham and Trevor Bailey bowled just ten overs between them, with Jim Laker working in tandem with Tony Lock. Changing to the Stretford End, Laker rolled through the tourists to claim 9/37 from 16.4 overs.
Following on, Australia could not answer the questions asked by Laker who continued to roll on, taking the wickets of Neil Harvey (0) and Jim Burke (33), though the offie faced another challenge: the weather.
Less than two hours of cricket were played across days three and four of the match, and play was delayed on day five, opening the door for Australia to save the Test with eight wickets in hand.
Laker was impeccable on day five, making the most of the Manchester surface which took spin. Despite a resistance from Colin McDonald and Ian Craig to take Australia through to lunch, Laker shone as the sun came out in the afternoon. He claimed 4/3 in a nine-over spurt in the afternoon session, and the key scalp of McDonald with the second ball of the final session for his seventh of the innings. Benaud fell as the last recognised batter, before Laker took the wicket of Ray Lindwall for number nine.
At 5:27pm local time, Laker created history. Hitting Len Maddocks in line, he claimed the final wicket leg before wicket, finishing with figures of 10/53, and match figures of 19/90. No other player has taken more than 17 for the match.
Reflecting on his opponent’s achievements years later, Benaud declared that he was so impressed by Laker’s performance, he tinkered his own style to resemble that of Laker’s.
Anil Kumble - 10/74 (26.3 overs) v Pakistan - Delhi, 1999
The second Test of the 1999 series between India and Pakistan will forever be remembered for Kumble’s perfect ten.
Needing a victory to level the two-match series after Pakistan’s dramatic 12-run win in Chennai, Kumble looked in fine touch, taking 4/75 to help India to an 80-run first innings lead. Claiming the wickets of Ijaz Ahmed, Inzamam-ul-Haq and Mohammad Yousuf, Kumble also finished the job by trapping Saqlain Mushtaq in front to end the innings.
India pushed on to set Pakistan a target of 420, who had the best part of two days to claim an unlikely win, and made a strong start through a first-wicket partnership of 101 between Shahid Afridi and Saeed Anwar.
Kumble broke the partnership with a quicker delivery, as a striding Afridi edged to Dinesh Mongia with the gloves for 41. He then struck the front foot of Ijaz next ball, dismissing him lbw.
Pakistan’s hopes of victory were dashed in a matter of minutes, and efforts moved to saving the match. Kumble, with his probing, aggressive line, continued to torment. Forcing tourists to play at everything, Kumble’s fizzing pace through the air, and the natural variation thrown up by the Feroz Shah Kotla surface, made the leggie impossible to counter.
Inzamam-ul-Haq chopped on trying to push a ball into the covers, and two balls later, Yousef was adjudged lbw as Kumble again picked Pakistan’s middle order apart. Moin Khan fell to a diving catch from Sourav Ganguly at slip, and Saeed Anwar, who provided the biggest challenge, was caught at bat pad for 69.
At 128/6, the match result was a foregone conclusion, though Kumble had a record to try and match. Bowling through the entire second session of the fourth day, Kumble regrouped at Tea, and claimed his seventh when a short ball kept low on a pulling Saleem Malik, whose stumps were disturbed.
Kumble passed his previous best individual figures of 7/59 with his eighth wicket, finding the glove of Mushtaq Ahmed who ballooned a catch to Rahul Dravid. As the field crept in, Kumble fired the next ball past Saqlain Mushtaq, who was unable to get his bat down in time for a plumb lbw. Kumble completed the perfect ten in his next over, with Wasim Akram (37), edging another close-in catch for VVS Laxman. Kumble was mobbed by teammates, as he rushed to collect a stump as a memento.
Ajaz Patel - 10/119 (47.5 overs) v India - Mumbai, 2021
After Laker and Kumble, Ajaz Patel made his mark in the record books on day two of the second Test match between India and New Zealand in Mumbai, the city he was born in.
“I remember (Kumble’s) 10-for,” Ajaz said after the haul of his own on day two.
“I have seen highlights of that game plenty of times. It’s a very illustrious group to be a part of, it’s great to see his message and his kind words. Humbled and fortunate to be in that company."
Saving the first Test through a resolute batting performance, it will forever be his record-equalling bowling performance this tour will be remembered by - joining the ten-wicket club as the only player to do so away from home, and in the first innings of the match.
Patel claimed the first four wickets of India’s innings in a truncated day one, with India sitting on 221/4 at the conclusion of play. The Black Caps quicks were unable to make any early headway, with Patel breaking through a tough Indian top order through a mixture of guile and clever angles with his left-arm orthodox.
Dismissing Wriddhiman Saha and Ravichandran Ashwin in consecutive balls, Patel registered his first six-wicket haul, though the ending to the story would end in unbelievable fashion. He was tried with the second new ball to no avail, though New Zealand’s pace attack also went without success, unable to make the most of the movement in the air.
Ajaz was re-introduced, impressive and indefatigable. Breaking a 67-run stand between Axar Patel and the imperious Mayank Agarwal with a peach to remove the opener on 150, one felt something special may have been around the corner. Dismissing Axar half an hour later, Ajaz had the final three Indian batters in his sights. Jayant Yadav holed out to Rachin Ravindra at long-off for Ajaz’s ninth, and Mohammed Siraj could only top edge a slog, also taken by Ravindra at mid-on. Before the celebrations, Ajaz had his heart in his mouth.
"It was a nervous time. We backed Rachin to take it, but the ball wobbled and we were all nervous,” he said. "I told Neil Wagner, during drinks, that I was more nervous now than I was all game. We don't have these moments as cricketers often.”
For Patel, his name in the same record column as Kumble and Laker still doesn’t feel real.
“After I came off the field, things happened too quickly. These things don't sink in until later. It's brilliant for me, my family and my wife. You spend a lot of time away from home as a cricketer, and I'm just grateful to God for this occasion.”
Jim Laker - 10/53 (51.2 overs) v Australia - Manchester, 1956
Travelling from Headingley after an innings victory to level the series one match apiece, England, largely through the off-spin of Jim Laker, came into the fourth 1956 Ashes Test match high on confidence.
Laker was in imperious form, taking 11 wickets as Australia fell to 143 and 140 all out, and the Old Trafford surface was tipped to spin big. Batting first after captain Peter May won the toss, England largely negotiated Australia’s spin duo of Richie Benaud and Ian Johnson, posting 459.
England’s opening quick bowlers Brian Statham and Trevor Bailey bowled just ten overs between them, with Jim Laker working in tandem with Tony Lock. Changing to the Stretford End, Laker rolled through the tourists to claim 9/37 from 16.4 overs.
Following on, Australia could not answer the questions asked by Laker who continued to roll on, taking the wickets of Neil Harvey (0) and Jim Burke (33), though the offie faced another challenge: the weather.
Less than two hours of cricket were played across days three and four of the match, and play was delayed on day five, opening the door for Australia to save the Test with eight wickets in hand.
Laker was impeccable on day five, making the most of the Manchester surface which took spin. Despite a resistance from Colin McDonald and Ian Craig to take Australia through to lunch, Laker shone as the sun came out in the afternoon. He claimed 4/3 in a nine-over spurt in the afternoon session, and the key scalp of McDonald with the second ball of the final session for his seventh of the innings. Benaud fell as the last recognised batter, before Laker took the wicket of Ray Lindwall for number nine.
At 5:27pm local time, Laker created history. Hitting Len Maddocks in line, he claimed the final wicket leg before wicket, finishing with figures of 10/53, and match figures of 19/90. No other player has taken more than 17 for the match.
Reflecting on his opponent’s achievements years later, Benaud declared that he was so impressed by Laker’s performance, he tinkered his own style to resemble that of Laker’s.
Anil Kumble - 10/74 (26.3 overs) v Pakistan - Delhi, 1999
The second Test of the 1999 series between India and Pakistan will forever be remembered for Kumble’s perfect ten.
Needing a victory to level the two-match series after Pakistan’s dramatic 12-run win in Chennai, Kumble looked in fine touch, taking 4/75 to help India to an 80-run first innings lead. Claiming the wickets of Ijaz Ahmed, Inzamam-ul-Haq and Mohammad Yousuf, Kumble also finished the job by trapping Saqlain Mushtaq in front to end the innings.
India pushed on to set Pakistan a target of 420, who had the best part of two days to claim an unlikely win, and made a strong start through a first-wicket partnership of 101 between Shahid Afridi and Saeed Anwar.
Kumble broke the partnership with a quicker delivery, as a striding Afridi edged to Dinesh Mongia with the gloves for 41. He then struck the front foot of Ijaz next ball, dismissing him lbw.
Pakistan’s hopes of victory were dashed in a matter of minutes, and efforts moved to saving the match. Kumble, with his probing, aggressive line, continued to torment. Forcing tourists to play at everything, Kumble’s fizzing pace through the air, and the natural variation thrown up by the Feroz Shah Kotla surface, made the leggie impossible to counter.
Inzamam-ul-Haq chopped on trying to push a ball into the covers, and two balls later, Yousef was adjudged lbw as Kumble again picked Pakistan’s middle order apart. Moin Khan fell to a diving catch from Sourav Ganguly at slip, and Saeed Anwar, who provided the biggest challenge, was caught at bat pad for 69.
At 128/6, the match result was a foregone conclusion, though Kumble had a record to try and match. Bowling through the entire second session of the fourth day, Kumble regrouped at Tea, and claimed his seventh when a short ball kept low on a pulling Saleem Malik, whose stumps were disturbed.
Kumble passed his previous best individual figures of 7/59 with his eighth wicket, finding the glove of Mushtaq Ahmed who ballooned a catch to Rahul Dravid. As the field crept in, Kumble fired the next ball past Saqlain Mushtaq, who was unable to get his bat down in time for a plumb lbw. Kumble completed the perfect ten in his next over, with Wasim Akram (37), edging another close-in catch for VVS Laxman. Kumble was mobbed by teammates, as he rushed to collect a stump as a memento.
Ajaz Patel - 10/119 (47.5 overs) v India - Mumbai, 2021
After Laker and Kumble, Ajaz Patel made his mark in the record books on day two of the second Test match between India and New Zealand in Mumbai, the city he was born in.
“I remember (Kumble’s) 10-for,” Ajaz said after the haul of his own on day two.
“I have seen highlights of that game plenty of times. It’s a very illustrious group to be a part of, it’s great to see his message and his kind words. Humbled and fortunate to be in that company."
Saving the first Test through a resolute batting performance, it will forever be his record-equalling bowling performance this tour will be remembered by - joining the ten-wicket club as the only player to do so away from home, and in the first innings of the match.
Patel claimed the first four wickets of India’s innings in a truncated day one, with India sitting on 221/4 at the conclusion of play. The Black Caps quicks were unable to make any early headway, with Patel breaking through a tough Indian top order through a mixture of guile and clever angles with his left-arm orthodox.
Dismissing Wriddhiman Saha and Ravichandran Ashwin in consecutive balls, Patel registered his first six-wicket haul, though the ending to the story would end in unbelievable fashion. He was tried with the second new ball to no avail, though New Zealand’s pace attack also went without success, unable to make the most of the movement in the air.
Ajaz was re-introduced, impressive and indefatigable. Breaking a 67-run stand between Axar Patel and the imperious Mayank Agarwal with a peach to remove the opener on 150, one felt something special may have been around the corner. Dismissing Axar half an hour later, Ajaz had the final three Indian batters in his sights. Jayant Yadav holed out to Rachin Ravindra at long-off for Ajaz’s ninth, and Mohammed Siraj could only top edge a slog, also taken by Ravindra at mid-on. Before the celebrations, Ajaz had his heart in his mouth.
"It was a nervous time. We backed Rachin to take it, but the ball wobbled and we were all nervous,” he said. "I told Neil Wagner, during drinks, that I was more nervous now than I was all game. We don't have these moments as cricketers often.”
For Patel, his name in the same record column as Kumble and Laker still doesn’t feel real.
“After I came off the field, things happened too quickly. These things don't sink in until later. It's brilliant for me, my family and my wife. You spend a lot of time away from home as a cricketer, and I'm just grateful to God for this occasion.”
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Don't know about Laker.
Kumble for me just because of the pressure after the Chennai heartbreak.
That Pakistani batting lineup was far far better against spin than the current Indian one, don't go by reputation, Pujara and Kohli don't deserve to be in the starting XI. Gill doesn't have the temperament and what does it say about a side where Saha is the number 6 batsman.
That Pak side had Anwar, Inzi, Yohana, Ijaz, Saleem Malik, 3 out of those 5 will make AT Pak XI. And we know about Saleem's prowess against spin and Ijaz's love affair with Indian bowlers. Throw in Afridi, Moin and heck Wasim, Saqlain had test 100s.
I see Kumble ripping through this Indian team for fun on this kind of surface, maybe Ajaz would have done well against that Pak team but certainly not a 10fer. He has been struggling against Axar, imagine what peak Anwar would have done to him.
Kumble for me just because of the pressure after the Chennai heartbreak.
That Pakistani batting lineup was far far better against spin than the current Indian one, don't go by reputation, Pujara and Kohli don't deserve to be in the starting XI. Gill doesn't have the temperament and what does it say about a side where Saha is the number 6 batsman.
That Pak side had Anwar, Inzi, Yohana, Ijaz, Saleem Malik, 3 out of those 5 will make AT Pak XI. And we know about Saleem's prowess against spin and Ijaz's love affair with Indian bowlers. Throw in Afridi, Moin and heck Wasim, Saqlain had test 100s.
I see Kumble ripping through this Indian team for fun on this kind of surface, maybe Ajaz would have done well against that Pak team but certainly not a 10fer. He has been struggling against Axar, imagine what peak Anwar would have done to him.
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Care to check anyone how many test matches Jayaprakash officiated after playing a hand in Kumble's 10fer infact ICC demoted hom 
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Mumbai Cricket Association (MCA) president Vijay Patil has lauded New Zealand spinner Ajaz Patel for donating his "10-wicket" ball for the upcoming MCA museum where it would duly be the "pride of the place". "What he (Ajaz Patel) achieved at the Wankhede stadium was something completely phenomenal. And the fact that he did at our iconic (Wankhede) stadium just gives us another memory to savour from his historic ground," Patil told PTI. Earlier this month, the Mumbai-born 34-year-old Ajaz, a left-arm spinner became only the third bowler in Test history to return a 10-for in an innings after Jim Laker (1956) and Anil Kumble (1999) and that too in the city of his birth.
"And the fact that he traces his roots back to Mumbai made it extra special for us.
"He was gracious, once the feat was achieved, he generously gave us the cricket ball, by which he took those 10 wickets, so that is something that we greatly value and it will occupy pride of place in our MCA museum," added Patil, who has been the MCA chief since October 2019.
Patil also stressed that the upcoming museum would inspire the youth.
"I think it (the museum formation) is a right step, because we (Mumbai cricket) had such a great legacy. We had 80 odd internationals and almost 1/5th of the international runs scored by India have been scored by Mumbai batsmen. So, our history goes back decades.
"So, to preserve our rich heritage, that will truly inspire our present as well as the future cricketers."
Mahendra Singh Dhoni had won India the 2011 ODI World Cup by hitting a six at the Wankhede stadium.
Asked whether the seat where the ball landed would be preserved, Patil quipped, "Those were very special moments, the 2011 World Cup of course was such a special moment in the Indian cricket history, the fact that it happened at the Wankhede stadium is etched in our hearts.
"We have had so many historical moments in Mumbai cricket and all those need to be put together. The museum will be an apt place to record these historical moments."
Patil is also upbeat about university and collegiate sports, which needs to develop and progress in years to come.
Meanwhile, the DY Patil Sports Stadium in Navi Mumbai, which had hosted matches of the U-17 FIFA World Cup in 2017, is also a venue for the upcoming 2022 AFC and Patil sounded upbeat about hosting the mega-event.
The tournament is scheduled to be held from January 20 to February 6 in Mumbai, Navi Mumbai and Pune.
https://sports.ndtv.com/cricket/aja...10-wicket-ball-to-upcoming-mca-museum-2657854
"And the fact that he traces his roots back to Mumbai made it extra special for us.
"He was gracious, once the feat was achieved, he generously gave us the cricket ball, by which he took those 10 wickets, so that is something that we greatly value and it will occupy pride of place in our MCA museum," added Patil, who has been the MCA chief since October 2019.
Patil also stressed that the upcoming museum would inspire the youth.
"I think it (the museum formation) is a right step, because we (Mumbai cricket) had such a great legacy. We had 80 odd internationals and almost 1/5th of the international runs scored by India have been scored by Mumbai batsmen. So, our history goes back decades.
"So, to preserve our rich heritage, that will truly inspire our present as well as the future cricketers."
Mahendra Singh Dhoni had won India the 2011 ODI World Cup by hitting a six at the Wankhede stadium.
Asked whether the seat where the ball landed would be preserved, Patil quipped, "Those were very special moments, the 2011 World Cup of course was such a special moment in the Indian cricket history, the fact that it happened at the Wankhede stadium is etched in our hearts.
"We have had so many historical moments in Mumbai cricket and all those need to be put together. The museum will be an apt place to record these historical moments."
Patil is also upbeat about university and collegiate sports, which needs to develop and progress in years to come.
Meanwhile, the DY Patil Sports Stadium in Navi Mumbai, which had hosted matches of the U-17 FIFA World Cup in 2017, is also a venue for the upcoming 2022 AFC and Patil sounded upbeat about hosting the mega-event.
The tournament is scheduled to be held from January 20 to February 6 in Mumbai, Navi Mumbai and Pune.
https://sports.ndtv.com/cricket/aja...10-wicket-ball-to-upcoming-mca-museum-2657854
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I don’t think Kimble had a genuine 10 fer.
Had there been DRS, it would’ve been exposed.
Umpire was hell bent to instantly raise the finger on Afridi. It was a very dubious descion.
Laker, I didn’t see.
So Ajaz is the only one left.
Had there been DRS, it would’ve been exposed.
Umpire was hell bent to instantly raise the finger on Afridi. It was a very dubious descion.
Laker, I didn’t see.
So Ajaz is the only one left.
DRS would show ijaz ahmad's lbw to be crashing on the middle stump.
DRS would show umpire's call on impact for yousuf crashing on to off-middle, so whatever the umpire called would stand.
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Critics of Kumble's 10fer are yet to present proof of any of the decisions being dubious. It has been 20+ years, yet not a single shred of evidence about umpiring in that match. To the naked eye all the dismissals were fair, none of the dismissals warrant any controversy.
In fact the Kohli dismissal against A Patel (TV umpire blunder) was dubious and generated lots of controversy.
Kumble stepped up in Indo-Pak tests, he was one of the main driving forces behind our 2-1 series win in Pakistan. Clutch player.
In fact the Kohli dismissal against A Patel (TV umpire blunder) was dubious and generated lots of controversy.
Kumble stepped up in Indo-Pak tests, he was one of the main driving forces behind our 2-1 series win in Pakistan. Clutch player.
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Half of Ajaz Patel's dismissals were batsmen trying to clear the field and get quick runs, they did that against all the bowlers but the rest were rubbish, only Ajaz looked like taking wickets for the Kiwis the whole match. Kumble beat the batsmen in defence, a much harder job in test cricket. Both achievements are worthy of respect, but the difference in quality of bowling to get the wickets is palpable.
Also the recent 10fer's aura is diminished because of the world record margin of thrashing, Mayank's 150+60 where he matched the total aggregate of both NZ innings doesn't pale in front of Ajaz's haul, how often has one batsman matched the opponent team's total across 2 innings?
From the 1999 Delhi test, we don't remember other efforts of that match.
Also the recent 10fer's aura is diminished because of the world record margin of thrashing, Mayank's 150+60 where he matched the total aggregate of both NZ innings doesn't pale in front of Ajaz's haul, how often has one batsman matched the opponent team's total across 2 innings?
From the 1999 Delhi test, we don't remember other efforts of that match.
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What would you consider as a "proof" on Kumble's dubious decisions?
1 - Umpire coming out in the public and stating that he was biased?
2 - Kumble coming out in the public and requesting ICC to remove this record since some of those decisions were biased?
3 - A new DRS technology to be invented that can analyze the video recordings and can tell us with an absolutely great deal of certainty that any or all those 10 wickets were out or not out?
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For the moment a simple eye test will do. None of those calls were dubious aka howlers (like Ganguly given out in the Chennai test for a bumped catch, clear video angle), neither were there other circumstances like ball/pitch tampering.
3 may become a reality some day and then we can then judge past matches for what they were.
Onus of proof is on the accusers. Extending their logic all feats of pre-DRS matches can be cancelled or diminished, world doesn't work that way. So yeah, as it stands it was a genuine 10fer and the record books, neutral fans, larger cricket community seem to agree upon that.
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" A simple eye test" is a proof you would take?
Do you know how idiotic does it sound?
It's a subjective oracle. It will vary from person to person and hence it's NOT a proof.
See the problem here? You are asking for a "proof" but you can't define one as to what would you take as a "proof"?
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