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18 ODIs which are an actual test of Sarfaraz Ahmed's captaincy

PakPremi said:
It's hypocritical to moan about Pak performances against top 4 team when we are 5th in ranking but give no credit to us for winning against teams that were higher than Pak when they were ranked 8.
Give this team to Clive Lloyd or I mean Khan or King Kohli and the results would be no better Pak lacks experienced world class batsmen. Bowling is good enough and bowling can be improved with one more full time spinner. Sarfraz is going nowhere even if he loses all his upcoming series.
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True bro, his bowling changes, field placings and captaincy in general is pretty fine and agree with your examples of other captains too.

Though i would like to see him score more. He can average around 40 with a Sr of 88-90 easily just by rotating strike. He is gifted in that sense but not utilizing it much due to lack of methodology imo. Keeping is fine.
 
PakPremi said:
It's hypocritical to moan about Pak performances against top 4 team when we are 5th in ranking but give no credit to us for winning against teams that were higher than Pak when they were ranked 8.
Give this team to Clive Lloyd or I mean Khan or King Kohli and the results would be no better Pak lacks experienced world class batsmen. Bowling is good enough and bowling can be improved with one more full time spinner. Sarfraz is going nowhere even if he loses all his upcoming series.
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I agree Sarfraz should stay as captain through to the World Cup but this top six have failed repeatedly against good bowling attacks this year, and will be his downfall if he doesn't start picking SPECIALIST batsmen in the middle order.

Our middle order consists entirely of all rounders masquerading as batsmen. Shoaib Malik, Mohammad Hafeez and Sarfraz Ahmed himself have failed dismally with the bat against nonminnows this year in ODIs.

If people think this middle order will stand up to Steyn, Rabada and Ngidi on South African surfaces then I'll have what they're smoking.

I'm not pretending Haris Sohail is the next Brian Lara but I see no logic in leaving out the only Pakistani batsman to average above 50 against nonminnows in ODIs this year.
 
Markhor said:
I agree Sarfraz should stay as captain through to the World Cup but this top six have failed repeatedly against good bowling attacks this year, and will be his downfall if he doesn't start picking SPECIALIST batsmen in the middle order.

Our middle order consists entirely of all rounders masquerading as batsmen. Shoaib Malik, Mohammad Hafeez and Sarfraz Ahmed himself have failed dismally with the bat against nonminnows this year in ODIs.

If people think this middle order will stand up to Steyn, Rabada and Ngidi on South African surfaces then I'll have what they're smoking.

I'm not pretending Haris Sohail is the next Brian Lara but I see no logic in leaving out the only Pakistani batsman to average above 50 against nonminnows in ODIs this year.
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Agree to all but it should be Mickey and Arthur as well pushing for inclusion of new talented Pak batsmen and playing only one of Malik and Hafeez in ODIs. On current performance and due to his bowling Hafeez has to play, but Malik should be in Squad.
 
Robbed off a certain series win. More ammunition for mindless haters.



It's Sarf's fault it rained in the desert.
 
PakPremi said:
winning is not enough he needs to be able to walk on water.
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That would be unnecessary. Taking more responsibility with the bat, not hiding behind tail-enders and not losing the overwhelming majority of ODIs against the top half of teams would be a good start. Don't you think? I don't think it is much to ask for.

If someone were to wake up from a slumber today and consider the attitude of Sarfraz apologists, they would imagine a player who is captaining his team to wins against the top teams with great frequency ( including the thrashing of India in the Asia Cup), and a player who is setting the benchmark with his individual performance and carrying the burden of the team on his shoulders.

However, what we have here is a captain who has won a grand total of 1 match (plus the moral victory today) against high ranked ODI teams in the last 12 months, has performed not only at a pathetic level, but he is also hiding behind tail-enders because they are supposedly better hitters than him.

Over the years, I have come across many irrational and stupendous fan clubs. However, I have to admit, I cannot really understand the Pro Sarfraz Club and their logic of how he does not deserve the criticism that he is receiving.
 
Going back to topic Sarfraz has passed first test with ease. I hope he continues to flourish in the next ODI series. Pak will need to leave out useless Asif and bring back Imad in that series with Hafeez batting at 6
 
I’m starting to believe we can do well in South Africa, specially if our bowling attack shows up. Speaking about the LOI series here, as I have doubts about the pitches South Africa will give us for the Tests :facepalm:
 
This was a great win today, very nice feeling to have a 1-0 lead
 
Good start to the series for Pakistan. Great chance to win the series once again.
 
BaankeJi said:
If you are implying that they will doctor pitches because Pakistan won the first one, then I doubt that is even possible now.
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No not implying that. South Africa is known for having faster and bouncier pitches .
 
Don't think continuing with Shadab after the rain interval was a good move.

Regardless, the bowlers all struggled initially with the wet ball.
 
Abdullah719 said:
Don't think continuing with Shadab after the rain interval was a good move.

Regardless, the bowlers all struggled initially with the wet ball.
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Come on. Once the ball got wet it became difficult for the.bowlers. still the RRR was almost 8. Shame the rain ruined it. Also during the NZ game in the UAE!
 
Abdullah said:
2-1
2-3
3-2
2-3

9 wins and 9 losses will be good if we learn the right things from it, and get exposure to right scenarios within games in the lead up to the WC
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We are on course for this. We still have not got the correct role definition in the team though!!
@saj@mening can u please tell somebody to tell sarfaraz to come into bat at 20 over mark and play the spinners.
That is his optimal use to this team.
And hafeez and Imad have to bat the last 8 overs.
Ideally shadab remains unused and is demoted behind Hasan for the last slog.
This is all simple stuff but we are doing things the opposite way.
We know what the eleven is going to be


Imam
Fakhar
Babar
Sarfaraz
Malik
Hafeez
Imad
Shadab
Hasan
Amir/shinwari/faheem
Shaheen

So it's about maximising the outputs each can give.
Having shadab and sarfaraz batting at the death is not doing that!!

Yaar innay Kuch samjao yaaro :facepalm:
 
MMHS said:
Not good, brilliant, outstanding if it really happens. Theses are all top 6 teams & a 50-50 share makes it certain that PAK will make SF, considering 10 of those 18 are in SAF & UK.
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13 of the 18 are completed with one wash-out, 5 left. So far, result is 3-1-9. If I take out the washed-out game, it's 17 games and 8 wins out of 17 should still be brilliant. AND, Sarfraz's PAK indeed can reach there by winning 5-0 against ENG.

Can they do it?
 
MMHS said:
13 of the 18 are completed with one wash-out, 5 left. So far, result is 3-1-9. If I take out the washed-out game, it's 17 games and 8 wins out of 17 should still be brilliant. AND, Sarfraz's PAK indeed can reach there by winning 5-0 against ENG.

Can they do it?
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If they do it , then they're going to get that cup home.
 
Bigbb said:
If they do it , then they're going to get that cup home.
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If even after 0-5 to AUS in UAE, they are among favorites according to PCB's CS; then after blanking Poms 5-0 in UK, they deserve to bring the Cup home.
 
Asian bloc stands in solidarity. Pakistan must bring all its got into the world cup
 
Am rooting for you folks here. Beat the Poms black and blue and lower their confidence before going into the WC.
 
Be it Sarfraz, or Malik, or Imad, no one can save us from the traumatization that awaits us on the English shores. The captain and players are all bog average and we deserve this humiliation. There is no point in hoping for a turnaround by our 'star' players, because they were massacred in New Zealand too. The semis are beyond us, and there will be many fish to fry after the World Cup.
 
SarfiBabarHaris said:
Ok just saw who bumped the thread after being completely silent on Malik's pathetic failures as a captain.
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I bumped the thread and what you are saying is nonsense you know - it absolutely doesn't matter who is leading the side 2 months before WC when I have written many times that once appointed for WC Sarfraz needs to be supported. My posts in this thread was never about who is Captain and even what is the direct result, rather how the team is performing. I don't need to remain silent or vocal regarding Malik's Captaincy, because I am one who always have maintained that a Captain is a player first and Malik should have been forced to retirement on 18th July 2017. If PCB appoints an obsolete oldie as make shift Captain, doesn't mean that PCT's performance won't be scrutinized. Next time, before pointing fingers to me remember that I don't represent any group and I don't need to pamper any individual .... I had never gone AWOL from PP.


[MENTION=139510]saeed5646[/MENTION] - I don't try to seek attention and don't need either. Next time before being too smart, look at your face in mirror first - you are guy who posted BD's 2017 tour of SAF after 4th ODI win at J'burg, in a thread absolutely not related to the moment. Attention seeking would have been to post the score cards of PAK-AUS latest series in that thread and troll around. In last 1 years, there has been enough thread in PP, if I start to bump, attention will start to seek some of you.
 
Sarfaraz has done ok in this so far.
Better team v NZ and evens with SA upto ban
Bring it on
 
The England series and World Cup will leave the 3 main Sarfraz ****** ducking for cover. These same people will nock Malik's captaincy but when Sarfraz will make similar poor choices they will still back him till the end . :)))

He is a rubbish captain and rubbish player. I told ya'll months ago but I was told I have agenda. Well looks like the people who have agendas are the ones who back this guy no matter what.

Let's see his tactics against England. Surely he will have a plan to stop Bairstow,Roy ,and Buttler . After all he is best captain since IK. [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION], same posters calling you out for points scoring are the ones who call Malik captaincy crap but won't talk about ingenious captaincy to have Bangladesh at 10-3 and still lose the game easily.

Our fans have no shame.
 
Hasan123 said:
The England series and World Cup will leave the 3 main Sarfraz ****** ducking for cover. These same people will nock Malik's captaincy but when Sarfraz will make similar poor choices they will still back him till the end . :)))

He is a rubbish captain and rubbish player. I told ya'll months ago but I was told I have agenda. Well looks like the people who have agendas are the ones who back this guy no matter what.

Let's see his tactics against England. Surely he will have a plan to stop Bairstow,Roy ,and Buttler . After all he is best captain since IK. [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION], same posters calling you out for points scoring are the ones who call Malik captaincy crap but won't talk about ingenious captaincy to have Bangladesh at 10-3 and still lose the game easily.

Our fans have no shame.
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Leave it, my target was never Sarfraz. He is assigned captain for WC and Malik is the most unworthy player in XI now - I infact was suggesting Hafeez as make shift Captain. 10 weeks before WC, even the W/L doesn’t matter much as long as team competing. But, Sarfraz or not, PAK’s show against Aussies were horrible - 3 wickets in first 2 games defending, losing by 80+ margin in series saver (after restricting Australia for 140/5), and failing to chase 60 in 9 overs with 8 wickets in hand - these are alarming signs. And, Australia is most unfamiliar with UAE condition.
 
MMHS said:
[MENTION=139510]saeed5646[/MENTION] - I don't try to seek attention and don't need either. Next time before being too smart, look at your face in mirror first - you are guy who posted BD's 2017 tour of SAF after 4th ODI win at J'burg, in a thread absolutely not related to the moment. Attention seeking would have been to post the score cards of PAK-AUS latest series in that thread and troll around. In last 1 years, there has been enough thread in PP, if I start to bump, attention will start to seek some of you.
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Still no over the Sa bd series bump😂.My response is always reactive instead of proactive. There is troll from your country who try to act smart and disrespectful to our team so the mirror have to be shown to him .

Your bumping this thread make no sense .7 out of 13 odis sarfraz have not captain pak for one another reason .No body like losing 5-0 whether you play with c team or d but one thing that we can think of losing one main player before worldcup would have been disastrous .The full strength pakistan almost beat much stronger nz team but rain ruin our chances that day.
 
MMHS said:
I bumped the thread and what you are saying is nonsense you know - it absolutely doesn't matter who is leading the side 2 months before WC when I have written many times that once appointed for WC Sarfraz needs to be supported. My posts in this thread was never about who is Captain and even what is the direct result, rather how the team is performing. I don't need to remain silent or vocal regarding Malik's Captaincy, because I am one who always have maintained that a Captain is a player first and Malik should have been forced to retirement on 18th July 2017. If PCB appoints an obsolete oldie as make shift Captain, doesn't mean that PCT's performance won't be scrutinized. Next time, before pointing fingers to me remember that I don't represent any group and I don't need to pamper any individual .... I had never gone AWOL from PP.
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Woah such a long reply to my one liner post in which i never target you rather pointed a simple fact that you keep pushing for Malik to become captain and also praised urself after 4th odi vs SA how u were right about Malik but gone completely mum after that. I remember every time i used to open a match thread i would find plenty of you posts micro analyzing Sarfraz's captaincy (which you are surely entitled to do) every 2nd over but was completely silent on your favorite Malik's captaincy. And then i saw you bumped this thread and i found it really weird. Not anything personal.
 
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MMHS said:
Leave it, my target was never Sarfraz. He is assigned captain for WC and Malik is the most unworthy player in XI now - I infact was suggesting Hafeez as make shift Captain. 10 weeks before WC, even the W/L doesn’t matter much as long as team competing. But, Sarfraz or not, PAK’s show against Aussies were horrible - 3 wickets in first 2 games defending, losing by 80+ margin in series saver (after restricting Australia for 140/5), and failing to chase 60 in 9 overs with 8 wickets in hand - these are alarming signs. And, Australia is most unfamiliar with UAE condition.
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Yes you are right. The problem isn't who the captain is. The problem is what Inzi thinks is our best 15 isn't good enough for the WC.
 
Final dossier:

ODI: 18
Wash out : 2
Win: 3
Loss: 13
W/L: 0.23

As Sarfraz Captain:

ODI: 11
Wash out: 2
Win: 2
Loss: 7
W/L: 0.29
 
Hasan123 said:
Other than CT , his stats are boosted by beating Sri Lanka and Zimbabwe D.
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why remove that because it is against your agenda

before you call me sarfarz fan i clarify you i am not his fan

hypocrisy and hate is appalling for single individual
 
Safe to say he's failed this test. We are a very poor team. Don't get me wrong, winning the 2017 Champions Trophy was amazing and that day we beat India in the final was one of the best days of my life, but it doesn't mean we are a good ODI team. I'm not saying we didn't deserve to win the 2017 CT, as we did, we played some breath taking cricket, but just like Leicester (deservedly) won the Premier League a few seasons ago, doesn't make them an amazing club.
 
CT 2017 was mere lucky coincidence.Everything went right for Sarfraz.India had lose one match against Pakistan after so many wins.Pakistan is ranked 7th for a reason.

Pakistan bowling is atrocious along with their fielding.I like Pakistan batting.
 
The SA series was pretty promising but results after that have been appalling- considering we could have won two or three.
 
MMHS said:
Final dossier:

ODI: 18
Wash out : 2
Win: 3
Loss: 13
W/L: 0.23

As Sarfraz Captain:

ODI: 11
Wash out: 2
Win: 2
Loss: 7
W/L: 0.29
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Awful really.

Some very poor performances amongst theses results and very few players who can put their hand up and say they have performed to an acceptable level.
 
Fair to say Sarfraz has failed as a leader.. with these stats i expect Pakistan to be in the bottom 2-3 of table in this coming WC....

But we are mercurial.. and we can beat any team on our day..:aag
 
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