Kumar Sangakkara versus Virat Kohli in the Test format

[mominsaigol]

I am confused the point you are trying to make here. I am not comparing Ponting to Sanga or debating the greatnes of Miandad.

I was responding to statement,

" Only in India can a player like him continue to play on his reputation and brand name, despite having tailenderesque numbers for the past four years."

Ponting and Miandad were examples to show posters that his assumption is not correct.

I agree with you, however Miandad cones from a completly different era.

Their wasn't any social media heat on him for his removal. And such stats went unnoticed. Their wasn't any Internet to monitor data accurately at the time. Hence selectors didn't take this into account.

Pointing should have been replaced though.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Sometimes it is not just about win or loss. Quality matters a lot. Sanga’s 192 at Hobart was in losing cause too.

Kohli’s knock at Adelaide 2014, Melbourne 2014 and Perth 2018 were his three best knocks in Australia. The hundred he got last game was in winning cause but nothing special.

The Adelaide knock was special. The knock at Perth was pretty good too, considering it came on a spicy surface. I don’t entirely remember the Melbourne knock—I might have missed that Test match. But my point isn’t that he doesn’t have great numbers and knocks in Australia; it’s just that his sterling record in Australia is often discussed without much context. In my opinion. In my opinion, Pujara, Pant and Rahane's contributions with the bat far outweigh Kohli's because those knocks directly led to test match wins which in-turn lead to series wins.

As for Sanga, maybe if he had gotten the opportunity to play 14 Tests in Australia instead of 5, he could have made more of an impact. His 192 at Hobart was an outstanding innings though that I still remember all these years later. It started off as a scratchy knock, but by the end, he was toying with the Australian bowlers. The sad part is that he wasn’t even out. He never came close to touching the ball, but Koertzen made a howler of a decision, for which he later apologized to Sanga after the match.

 

[Buffet]

I agree with you, however Miandad cones from a completly different era.

Their wasn't any social media heat on him for his removal. And such stats went unnoticed. Their wasn't any Internet to monitor data accurately at the time. Hence selectors didn't take this into account.

Pointing should have been replaced though

I think Ponting and Virat are too noticeable due to how they played earlier, otherwise we have lots of players having 25-30 tests like that. As recently as like last few years.

Warner in the last 28 tests : Avg 31 with 2 tons

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

The most amazing thing about Sanga is that he has been able to achieve this level of greatness despite being a Sri Lankan player. And whether people want to admit it or not, Sri Lanka as a team has always had to struggle with the perception of other teams not considering them a top team. You can go all the way back to their infamous test match and series win in England in 1998, after which England never invited them for a one match test series again.

Even in Australia they have never been invited to play anything more than a 2 match test series, eventhough they had an excellent side in 2007. It's a shame Sanga pulled his hamstring in a tour game prior to the start of that series, which led to him missing the first test. Because that Sri Lankan side had a really good core group of players with Jayasuria, Atapattu, Jayawardena, Vaas, Murali (eventho he had a horrible record in Oz) and Sanga too was in rich form at that time.

 

[Romali_rotti]

that's why I say if Kohli wants to stand with the greats in Australia like the Hammonds and the Hobbs and the Huttons and the Vivs and the Sachins, he needs some match winning knocks on spicy wicket, this series is a perfect opportunity.

I'll try your tip, thanks.

He has 2 x 100s in Perth. The last 100 being a match winning one I don't know much spicier you need to get.

 

[W63L35]

Here is an Asian batsman (Asif Iqbal) who scored 8 test hundreds in WENA (when W was better than S)....

 

[BouncerGuy]

Asif iqbal is not the relevant person in this thread but he did score more centuries away as he has played more games away as well.

BACK TO THE TOPIC:

People from both sides will come up with some logic to prove Virat is great or Sanaga is great. This is not gonna end.

 

[kron]

you know what kohli's decline has been so bad. i will give it to sanga. Thats how bad kohl has been in the last 4 5 years.
despicable.

although peak wise i still rate kohli higher overall
sanga better player in terms of consistency

 

[starpain]

Sangakkara>Kohli in Tests

12k runs @ 57 > 9k runs at 47

There is no further stats gymnastics required when the difference is huge.

Also IIRC Sangakkara never had his place questioned for his side unlike Kohli where several fans are calling to drop him.

 

[Fanboy375]

Not people obviously will understand the gap between Sanga (non wk) vs Kohli

 

[Ab Fan]

I will rate Kohli behind Sangakkara in Tests.

He is also behind Sehwag and probably at same level or below VVS Laxman too although Laxman was one of the greatest pressure player in the history of the game.

 

[Mobashir]

I will rate Kohli behind Sangakkara in Tests.

He is also behind Sehwag and probably at same level or below VVS Laxman too although Laxman was one of the greatest pressure player in the history of the game.

Clutch innings should have lot weight when comparing players.
Laxman has played some of them. These innings don't need to be hundreds but they are better than hundreds.
Kohli neither have the stats nor the Clutch innings.

 

[Ab Fan]

Clutch innings should have lot weight when comparing players.
Laxman has played some of them. These innings don't need to be hundreds but they are better than hundreds.
Kohli neither have the stats nor the Clutch innings.

Yes I agree. Laxman can be rated higher but @Mamoon will disagree. Remember, he claimed Kohli as GOAT Asian test team with 40 test wins to his name and even above Imran Khan and Saurav Ganguly.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Here is an Asian batsman (Asif Iqbal) who scored 8 test hundreds in WENA (when W was better than S)....


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Typical Pakistani trait as usual struggling against the best bowling attack of his time.

25 vs the WI

 

[sweep_shot]

Sanga wins easily.

As a matter of fact, I think Sanga is the best Asian Test batter of all time.

 

[BCCI-Enforcer]

Sanga wins easily.

As a matter of fact, I think Sanga is the best Asian Test batter of all time.

Huh? Better than Sachin and Gavaskar and David. No way in hell.

 

[Fanboy375]

Here is an Asian batsman (Asif Iqbal) who scored 8 test hundreds in WENA (when W was better than S)....


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Not good ave vs WI and Ind.

 

[Hawkeye]

Kohlis decline has been so bad even Indians are starting to hate him and want to rate other batsmen over him.

That’s what you get when you cling to the team with such terrible form.

He’s doing a Sachin Tendulkar I’m afraid.

I thought he was much better than SRT in this regard and wouldn’t care as much as Sachin when it came to milestones and meaningless runs at the cost of team.

 

[atreus]

With all due respect sangakkara did lot of bangladesh bashing which the likes of dravid, yk didn't gets to do.

Removing Bangladesh and Zimbabwe for Batsmen from Sangakkara's era

Ponting 51.1
Kallis 52.9
Dravid 49.7
Younis 50.0
Chanderpaul 48.7

Sangakkara 52.6

Obviously there is no comparison between Sangakkara and Younis, Sangakkara is one of the absolute greatest players of fast bowling to hail from Asia.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Clutch innings should have lot weight when comparing players.
Laxman has played some of them. These innings don't need to be hundreds but they are better than hundreds.
Kohli neither have the stats nor the Clutch innings.

Quite sure he has more impact and clutch innings than Sangakkara in SENA conditions.

 

[Ab Fan]

In SENAW conditions, Asian batsman sorted by batting averages:-

 

[Nikhil_cric]

In SENAW conditions, Asian batsman sorted by batting averages:-

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There's no point adding West Indies to this analysis. They haven't been a strong Test side in decades.

 

[Golu-m]

Sanga’s hype i have seen only here in pp in his playing days ,nobody used to talk about him or rate him that much ,tier 1 batsman on those days were Tendulkar,lara and ponting they were far far superior to him, forgot them even atg Dravid, yonus khan, stewe waugh, hayden , garry christan , mark waugh,Langer they were much rated those time . For sanga it was only when these all retired and in the end of his career sanga got fame else throughout his carrer no one rated him much.

 

[Ab Fan]

There's no point adding West Indies to this analysis. They haven't been a strong Test side in decades.

But bowling hasn’t been that bad. They have produced 2-3 good bowlers but zero batsman hence it is not completely pointless.

 

[mominsaigol]

Lol at people comparing a 45/46 avg batter to a 57 avg batsmen.

Regardless of stats, you can never put anyone under avg 50 unless they are openers or no 3's or wicket keepers with a 50 avg batter

End of story. Williamson and Sanga despite their flaws are leagues > Kohli in test.

Only indians can glorify rubbish like Laxman and Kohli in test cricket.

 

[Golu-m]

Williamson is definitely better to kohli and laxman but kohli and laxman is daddy of statpadder, minnowbasher sangkara.

For them who are unbiased and know cricket in depth
Kohli is daddy of sangkarra the batsman about whom noboady used to pay attention in his playing days days . Poor sangkarra fansif avg is everything adam voges os daddy of everyone except bradman

 

[mominsaigol]

Williamson is definitely better to kohli and laxman but kohli and laxman is daddy of statpadder, minnowbasher sangkara.

For them who are unbiased and know cricket in depth
Kohli is daddy of sangkarra the batsman about whom noboady used to pay attention in his playing days days . Poor sangkarra fansif avg is everything adam voges os daddy of everyone except bradman

I will repeat again,

Unless you are a no 3, opener or wicket keeper, their is no universe in which a 45/46 avg batter is > a 50+ avg batter in test.