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181-2 to 230 all out in 20 overs.... Why suicidal chases aren't a good idea

Dr_Bassim

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The title sums it all up.

Lots of posters were bashing each other for not playing like warriors...

You dont chase 200 in one session or even try to save it by trying to be warrior or hero.

You try to draw ... especially with the worst middle order and tail in history of the game...

We might draw this while i am typing but its shambolic that little kids thoght Pakisttan go for chase.
 
Pakistan and 4th innings will always be a story to talk about..

I can count countless games where we had to bat for the whole day on the final day and we choked and lost the match...

This is not the first time this has happened
 
The chase should've been better paced ... totally on Azhar & Sami's cowardly batting yet again! Totally deserve this thrashing and more thrashing awaits in Aussie land with our mostly 1 dimensional batting line up.
 
This was a confused chase to start with. There was no real planning.
 
Dr_Bassim said:
The title sums it all up.

Lots of posters were bashing each other for not playing like warriors...

You dont chase 200 in one session or even try to save it by trying to be warrior or hero.

You try to draw ... especially with the worst middle order and tail in history of the game...

We might draw this while i am typing but its shambolic that little kids thoght Pakisttan go for chase.
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This forum needs a "Block" button so that we can choose to ignore people who don't understand Test cricket and think you can run down 369 in a day.

Two hours ago Pakistan was going into a big series in Australia with most of the batsmen back in form.

Two hours later they have got themselves all out for 230.
 
They weren't chasing or blocking. It was a confused strategy. Guess no one knew what to do.
 
boomboom6 said:
The chase should've been better paced ... totally on Azhar & Sami's cowardly batting yet again! Totally deserve this thrashing and more thrashing awaits in Aussie land with our mostly 1 dimensional batting line up.
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Do you know anything about the history of Test cricket?

No team ever, anywhere, has scored more than 350 runs on the final day in the fourth innings to win.

Never.

Ever.

Ever.
 
Junaids said:
This forum needs a "Block" button so that we can choose to ignore people who don't understand Test cricket and think you can run down 369 in a day.

Two hours ago Pakistan was going into a big series in Australia with most of the batsmen back in form.

Two hours later they have got themselves all out for 230.
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we were already losing 1-0, no point in going for a useless drawn match ... the chase should've been better paced like we did against Sri Lanka in UAE chasing down 300+ in 57 overs. The intent was clear from the onset in that match. By blocking 1st two sessions, Pak left too much for the last session and then panicked when wickets fell.
 
Junaids said:
Do you know anything about the history of Test cricket?

No team ever, anywhere, has scored more than 350 on the final day in the fourth innings to win.

Never.

Ever.

Ever.
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Who the hell cares man ... we were already losing 1-0, no harm in going for the win. I'm more critical of the pathetic approach taken in first two sessions.

Pak chased down 300 in 57 overs against SL on the last day. So it CAN be done.
 
From 229-6 to 230 all out,

All in a 'me went to toilet and came back' break
 
boomboom6 said:
we were already losing 1-0, no point in going for a useless drawn match ... the chase should've been better paced like we did against Sri Lanka in UAE chasing down 300+ in 57 overs. The intent was clear from the onset in that match. By blocking 1st two sessions, Pak left too much for the last session and then panicked when wickets fell.
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There is a World Test Championship Final at Lords in 30 months' time and only the top two ranked teams at the end of 2018 qualify.

A drawn match is NOT useless. You have just lost three points from your ranking because of this.

This could really hurt you in the long run.
 
boomboom6 said:
we were already losing 1-0, no point in going for a useless drawn match ... the chase should've been better paced like we did against Sri Lanka in UAE chasing down 300+ in 57 overs. The intent was clear from the onset in that match. By blocking 1st two sessions, Pak left too much for the last session and then panicked when wickets fell.
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exactly my point. There was no point to draw here. That would have only meant we don't lose 1 point. The series result would have been a loss anyway. The chase should have been on absolutely from the word go and they should have not wasted 60 overs to start thinking about chase. That's not how you chase down such big totals. You have to be positive from the word go.
 
They actually started to fall apart quickly once they shut down shop....
 
What was the point of leaving it till the last session. If they wanted to go for it they should've gone in the start of second session.
 
Junaids said:
There is a World Test Championship Final at Lords in 30 months' time and only the top two ranked teams at the end of 2018 qualify.

A drawn match is NOT useless. You have just lost three points from your ranking because of this.

This could really hurt you in the long run.
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Big deal ... we weren't going to make that anyway ... have you looked at our batting beyond an aging YK? None of these guys can score daddy 100s ... we're going to suck pretty soon anyway.
 
boomboom6 said:
Who the hell cares man ... we were already losing 1-0, no harm in going for the win. I'm more critical of the pathetic approach taken in first two sessions.

Pak chased down 300 in 57 overs against SL on the last day. So it CAN be done.
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Oh brilliant.

So if Arsenal is drawing 1-1 in the Final EPL match of the season, and narrowly qualifying for the Champions League, why don't you tell Arsene Wenger to substitute all four defenders with strikers and try to win. Sure, you will ensure they actually lose and don't qualify for the Champions League. But draws are boring.

You have just done the same thing here. Dropped three crucial ranking points which might cost you a place in the World Test Championship Final.

Terrific.
 
Aman said:
They actually started to fall apart quickly once they shut down shop....
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Of course. Once NZ realized they can't lose they started attacking more. That is the problem with playing without much intent - a stage will come when you can't win and from thereon the opposition will start attacking more and more with time.
 
MRSN said:
exactly my point. There was no point to draw here. That would have only meant we don't lose 1 point. The series result would have been a loss anyway. The chase should have been on absolutely from the word go and they should have not wasted 60 overs to start thinking about chase. That's not how you chase down such big totals. You have to be positive from the word go.
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Yup ... had they batted at a RR of 3-3.5 for first 50 overs or so, the chase was on. Our approach did us in and not for the first time. We saw this same damn approach in the 1st test and that essentially cost us the series.

Azhar & Sami should be booted from the team frankly speaking for their utterly meek display of batting.
 
Either chase or go for a draw. 220 runs in one session means you will slog some and lose wickets. Normal cricket may have not allowed NZ to attack because they would have been afraid to lose even if Pakistan was down 2-3 wickets. NZ felt secure that chase is not possible and then went full attack.
 
boomboom6 said:
Big deal ... we weren't going to make that anyway ... have you looked at our batting beyond an aging YK? None of these guys can score daddy 100s ... we're going to suck pretty soon anyway.
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Are you serious?

You are in second place, and England and Australia have just lost to Bangladesh and South Africa.

And all the evidence is that Sami Aslam and Babar Azam are an upgrade on Younis and Misbah, not a downgrade.

The departure of the elderly is going to make you stronger, not weaker.

If you are a 20 or 50 over fan, don't try to convert Test cricket into your fix. They are not the same game, and today has done damage to the Pakistan Test team which may well kill the 2019 World Test Championship bid.
 
Pakistan ki batting & hindustan ki bowling pe kbhi aitbar ni kiya ja skta ..kitni v achi kyu na ho...kbhi b match harva skte hai��
 
boomboom6 said:
Yup ... had they batted at a RR of 3-3.5 for first 50 overs or so, the chase was on. Our approach did us in and not for the first time. We saw this same damn approach in the 1st test and that essentially cost us the series.

Azhar & Sami should be booted from the team frankly speaking for their utterly meek display of batting.
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Yeah boot the only 2 players who could hold a bat in these conditions.
 
Junaids said:
Oh brilliant.

So if Arsenal is drawing 1-1 in the Final EPL match of the season, and narrowly qualifying for the Champions League, why don't you tell Arsene Wenger to substitute all four defenders with strikers and try to win. Sure, you will ensure they actually lose and don't qualify for the Champions League. But draws are boring.

You have just done the same thing here. Dropped three crucial ranking points which might cost you a place in the World Test Championship Final.

Terrific.
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Again, we're on the verge of decline in test cricket again anyway ... we have no batsman in the team beyond YK who can score daddy 100s and YK is near retirement ... we're NOT going to be in the running for Test championship.

The approach was highly problematic. Besides I already mentioned a precedent from the Sharjah chase of 300 inside of 57 overs ... We came out looking to win the match ... Today the intent was to block first two overs and then suddenly flip a switch inexplicably. 200 runs in a session is never on. That's where we lost the match by being in double minds.
 
Statsman said:
Yeah boot the only 2 players who could hold a bat in these conditions.
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The 2 batsmen who cost us this series with their abysmal and cowardly batting in the 1st test. Yeah we'll be fine without them. Really disappointed in Sami. Azhar is the usual norm but didn't expect this from Sami. :facepalm:
 
Junaids said:
There is a World Test Championship Final at Lords in 30 months' time and only the top two ranked teams at the end of 2018 qualify.

A drawn match is NOT useless. You have just lost three points from your ranking because of this.

This could really hurt you in the long run.
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Pakistan plays with jazba (passion). That's why you and me love their cricket. Don't make an England out of them please.

The intent was not clear and that's why they lost.
 
Anyway , 370 runs was too much , but if you want to go for it then go with a plan which can some chance of working.
 
boomboom6 said:
Again, we're on the verge of decline in test cricket again anyway ... we have no batsman in the team beyond YK who can score daddy 100s and YK is near retirement ... we're NOT going to be in the running for Test championship.

The approach was highly problematic. Besides I already mentioned a precedent from the Sharjah chase of 300 inside of 57 overs ... We came out looking to win the match ... Today the intent was to block first two overs and then suddenly flip a switch inexplicably. 200 runs in a session is never on. That's where we lost the match by being in double minds.
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That is not a precedent.

Sri Lanka has a club level attack and the Sharjah pitch was stone dead.
 
boomboom6 said:
The 2 batsmen who cost us this series with their abysmal and cowardly batting in the 1st test. Yeah we'll be fine without them. Really disappointed in Sami. Azhar is the usual norm but didn't expect this from Sami. :facepalm:
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You don't drop batsmen because of this. We don't know what is told to them in the dressing room. Perhaps Arthur wanted them to bat like this.
 
Junaids said:
Are you serious?

You are in second place, and England and Australia have just lost to Bangladesh and South Africa.

And all the evidence is that Sami Aslam and Babar Azam are an upgrade on Younis and Misbah, not a downgrade.

The departure of the elderly is going to make you stronger, not weaker.

If you are a 20 or 50 over fan, don't try to convert Test cricket into your fix. They are not the same game, and today has done damage to the Pakistan Test team which may well kill the 2019 World Test Championship bid.
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I've been watching test cricket for 20+ years now. People whine about interest dying in test cricket and it's down to precisely these sort of approaches from teams.

Especially for us Asian test nations where the average man is more worried about surviving then watching 5 days of test cricket, it becomes even more imperative to at least retain their attention on TV by playing results oriented game.

Anyway, the match and series is done now.
 
So sad, we were #1 a few months ago and the future was looking bright.

What a difference 3-4 months makes just wow and saddening at the same time.

I remember people were mad that India jumped us to take #1 after we held it for what two days, if it didn't happen than it surely would have happened now.
 
Statsman said:
You don't drop batsmen because of this. We don't know what is told to them in the dressing room. Perhaps Arthur wanted them to bat like this.
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He should be fired on the spot too if this was his strategy in both matches to come out blocking.
 
LegendAli said:
So sad, we were #1 a few months ago and the future was looking bright.

What a difference 3-4 months makes just wow and saddening at the same time.

I remember people were mad that India jumped us to take #1 after we held it for what two days, if it didn't happen than it surely would have happened now.
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us being #1 was fools gold ... only a matter of time before we got exposed. I'd say South Africa is about the only team that can have a legit case of being a real #1 due to their success overseas over the years post '07/'08 Aussie golden era.
 
boomboom6 said:
The 2 batsmen who cost us this series with their abysmal and cowardly batting in the 1st test. Yeah we'll be fine without them. Really disappointed in Sami. Azhar is the usual norm but didn't expect this from Sami. :facepalm:
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The two batsmen who produced absolutely nothing in this series were Misbah and Younis.

I have literally no idea why you think that Pakistan is about to go into decline. You are about to get rid of two elderly has-beens.

By 2019 I expect the team to look something like:

1. Sami Aslam
2. Azhar Ali
3. Babar Azam
4. Asad Shafiq
5. Umar Akmal or M Rizwan
6. M Nawaz in Asia, A Yamin outside Asia.
7. Sarfraz Ahmed
8. Amad Butt
9. Yasir Shah
10. Mohammad Amir
11. Ehsan Adil outside Asia
 
Regardless of what the coach said, you have to be seriously poor to lose nine wickets in a session with overs to spare.

That was bad batting.
 
kingusama92 said:
Regardless of what the coach said, you have to be seriously poor to lose nine wickets in a session with overs to spare.

That was bad batting.
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You think?

This is Pakistan we are talking about.

We couldn't score 1 run off Glenn Maxwell's final over and lost the match.
 
I am glad I selected sleep over this chase:)
 
Junaids said:
The two batsmen who produced absolutely nothing in this series were Misbah and Younis.

I have literally no idea why you think that Pakistan is about to go into decline. You are about to get rid of two elderly has-beens.

By 2019 I expect the team to look something like:

1. Sami Aslam
2. Azhar Ali
3. Babar Azam
4. Asad Shafiq
5. Umar Akmal or M Rizwan
6. M Nawaz in Asia, A Yamin outside Asia.
7. Sarfraz Ahmed
8. Amad Butt
9. Yasir Shah
10. Mohammad Amir
11. Ehsan Adil outside Asia
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Again NONE of those batsmen are capable of scoring big 100s that can take the game away from teams. Azhar & Shafiq have been a massive disappointment. Even after playing for 6 years they STILL don't know how to dominate when set. Pitiful.

And then after them we have young pups ... Yeah not going to be in the running for top 2. Our bowlers can only do so much. It is the batting that has cost us overseas time and time again.
 
You need to have lot of inform ground stroke players to pull a chase like this off. Small grounds in NZ may be tempting. People forget in Test matches opposition can keep the ball slightly wider and dry up the runs if needed. So you need inform players that can score all round the wicket.
 
It was incredibly poor planning from Azhar and Sami.

Should have batted atleast 3 RPO from the get go.

Too much was expected for Sarfraz, YK and Rizwan in the end and we ended up not even being close...
 
Buffet said:
Anyway , 370 runs was too much , but if you want to go for it then go with a plan which can some chance of working.
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Left way too much for the last session.

Kane was rattled and if they had 170, they could have pushed it real close.

Instead they batted poorly in the first two sessions and made it near on impossible to win.
 
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