1992 World Cup Winners v 2009 World T20 Winners v 2017 Champions Trophy Winners

[KingKhanWC]

Pakistan have won each of the ICC tournaments. 1992 World Cup, 2009 T20 Cup and 2017 Champions Trophy.

If these teams were to play each other in a Tri-Series including both 50 overs and T20 which team would come out on top?

1992 Team - Imran Khan (c) - Sohail - Raja - Miandad - Inzaman - Malik - Akram - Ijaz - Moin - Mushy - Aaqib

2009 Team - Younis Khan (c) - K Akmal - Shahzaib - Afridi - Malik - Razzaq - Misbah - Fawad Alam - Umar Gul - Ajmal - Amir

2017 Team - Sarfraz (c) - Azhar Ali - Fakhar - Babar - Malik - Hafeez - Imad - Amir - Shadab - Hasan Ali - Junaid Khan

It seems like we are producing less and less greats as the years fly by.

Surely the 92 team would whoop the 2009 and 2017 teams? A friend believes the 2009 team would beat them?

Please give your thoughts.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Pakistan’s 2007-2011 t20 teams would roll over most t20 sides. Younis Khan is a big weak link in the batting though

 

[KingKhanWC]

Pakistan’s 2007-2011 t20 teams would roll over most t20 sides. Younis Khan is a big weak link in the batting though

I agree, the balance was near perfect. If I can recall YK came in before Razzaq, scored more and at a better strike rate.

Do you think the 92 team could beat them in a T20? Imagine Imran Khan at his peak playing T20, destructive with both bat and ball?

 

[JaDed]

This is exactly what [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] said in one of his posts today.

 

[KingKhanWC]

This is exactly what [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] said in one of his posts today.

[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] what was your view?

I wonder if Imran Khan would have picked Afridi in the 92 final if he had the choice.

 

[shaz619]

I agree, the balance was near perfect. If I can recall YK came in before Razzaq, scored more and at a better strike rate.

Do you think the 92 team could beat them in a T20? Imagine Imran Khan at his peak playing T20, destructive with both bat and ball?

Yes, YK had a very good tournament in 2009; he was very crucial in our middle order. Averages 57 at S/R of 140, finished in the top 10 as well.

And I agree, that team from 1992 would whoop both those teams on the same day tbh

 

[KingKhanWC]

Yes, YK had a very good tournament in 2009; he was very crucial in our middle order. Averages 57 at S/R of 140, finished in the top 10 as well.

And I agree, that team from 1992 would whoop both those teams on the same day tbh

Haha yes and twice on a Sunday! :fury

In your opinion would any of the 09 and 17 players make the 92 team?

 

[shaz619]

[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] what was your view?

I wonder if Imran Khan would have picked Afridi in the 92 final if he had the choice.

One thing that has to be said though, a lot of those players who maybe never quite hit their ceiling but had personified ATG potential; under Imran would be much much better, such was his elite leadership quality and command over his soldiers.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Yes, YK had a very good tournament in 2009; he was very crucial in our middle order. Averages 57 at S/R of 140, finished in the top 10 as well.

And I agree, that team from 1992 would whoop both those teams on the same day tbh

Haha yes and twice on a Sunday! :fury

In your opinion would any of the 09 and 17 players make the 92 team?

 

[shaz619]

Haha yes and twice on a Sunday! :fury

In your opinion would any of the 09 and 17 players make the 92 team?

Babar Azam - then again would I have said this in 2017

Apart from him it's tough but I could potentially sneak Ajmal or Afridi in, prime Gul in that form could as well

 

[KingKhanWC]

One thing that has to be said though, a lot of those players who maybe never quite hit their ceiling but had personified ATG potential; under Imran would be much much better, such was his elite leadership quality and command over his soldiers.

Great point. Babar and Amir under Imran would have been something else. I feel for Babar he has arrived in an era where our team has no real great senior batsmen to help him or a captain who can inspire him to greatness.

 

[zulfiqar]

T20s surely the 2009 team would win against both sides. For ODIs, 1992 team. The 1992 team can win the T20s too but the batting doesn't inspire too much confidence.

 

[shaz619]

Great point. Babar and Amir under Imran would have been something else. I feel for Babar he has arrived in an era where our team has no real great senior batsmen to help him or a captain who can inspire him to greatness.

God willing Babar still does well, but he could do even better with a leader like Imran without a doubt. I think it would also be cool to have the 1999 WC Runners up in this discussion, I would for sure pick Akhtar in the 92 team and Saeed Anwar! and Saqi! haha am getting greedy now

 

[Madplayer]

92 team would wipe the floor with the other 2 teams with ease. The gulf in talent is simply too big especially in bowling.

However, the 1999 finalist team would massacre even the 92 team.

 

[KingKhanWC]

God willing Babar still does well, but he could do even better with a leader like Imran without a doubt. I think it would also be cool to have the 1999 WC Runners up in this discussion, I would for sure pick Akhtar in the 92 team and Saeed Anwar! and Saqi! haha am getting greedy now

With those 3 not even the great Aus or Windies team would stand a chance, stop being greedy! lol

 

[Surya Kiran]

Even i think 2009 team would come out as victors

 

[KingKhanWC]

92 team would wipe the floor with the other 2 teams with ease. The gulf in talent is simply too big especially in bowling.

However, the 1999 finalist team would massacre even the 92 team.

I dont think so.

Here is the 99 final team.

Akram (c) - Anwar - Wasti - Razzaq - Ijaz - Inzy - Moin - Afridi - Azhar - Saqlain - Akhtar.

I think this could a match where bowlers would dominate. Wasti - Razzaq - Ijaz (at his age) was a poor middle order esp for the final choosing to bat first on a green track!

 

[shaz619]

With those 3 not even the great Aus or Windies team would stand a chance, stop being greedy! lol

All under Imran's leadership as well lol that's like Cus D'amato staying with Mike Tyson from start to finish

 

[shaz619]

92 team would wipe the floor with the other 2 teams with ease. The gulf in talent is simply too big especially in bowling.

However, the 1999 finalist team would massacre even the 92 team.

The thing is that team under performed big time and were not very consistent although had one hell of a run in the 99 WC, however specific players in that team under Imran would have been even better; I agree with King Khan though regarding the decline, only players from 99 would get into the 92 team

 

[Surya Kiran]

The thing is that team under performed big time and were not very consistent although had one hell of a run in the 99 WC, however specific players in that team under Imran would have been even better; I agree with King Khan though regarding the decline, only players from 99 would get into the 92 team

Don't you think Shahid Afridi could make it to the 92 team in place of Mushtaq as a leg spinner?

 

[Captain caveman]

The bowling attacks of all 3 are very good! Which means any of these teams score a par score batting first, would probably win!
Peak Akram vs peak amir vs peak hasan ali(yes i know his trash now, but was unplayable in the tourney)!

Mushi vs ajmal vs shadab(had a good tourney!)

Aquib vs umar vs amir

Imran vs razzaq vs junaid

The 1992 and 2009 team had more world class bowlers, 2017 team bowlers hit a purple patch at the right time,
Along with fakhar the destroyer and a young babar, the rock azhar ali and hafeez on fire, i will say 2017 team!
But has to be those players in that time frame when they were on fire!

 

[MMHS]

[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] what was your view?

I wonder if Imran Khan would have picked Afridi in the 92 final if he had the choice.

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...beginning-of-the-end-of-Indian-ODI-domination

 

[Gullycricket]

Pakistan have won each of the ICC tournaments. 1992 World Cup, 2009 T20 Cup and 2017 Champions Trophy.

If these teams were to play each other in a Tri-Series including both 50 overs and T20 which team would come out on top?

1992 Team - Imran Khan (c) - Sohail - Raja - Miandad - Inzaman - Malik - Akram - Ijaz - Moin - Mushy - Aaqib

2009 Team - Younis Khan (c) - K Akmal - Shahzaib - Afridi - Malik - Razzaq - Misbah - Fawad Alam - Umar Gul - Ajmal - Amir

2017 Team - Sarfraz (c) - Azhar Ali - Fakhar - Babar - Malik - Hafeez - Imad - Amir - Shadab - Hasan Ali - Junaid Khan

It seems like we are producing less and less greats as the years fly by.

Surely the 92 team would whoop the 2009 and 2017 teams? A friend believes the 2009 team would beat them?

Please give your thoughts.

The 1992 team lost to weakest Indian team ever while as 2017 side beat the strongest Indian team that too in a final.For me 2017 team commands respect.Written off,Humiliated,No cricket at home,fighting most powerful people in World cricket,No IPL....Pak's CT win is the greatest truimph for me

 

[Bhaijaan]

Mohammad Hafeez Vol3.0 is the biggest difference maker

 

[Kianig89]

Well 2009 was not a bad team also.

Afridi Amir Ajmal Gul Malik Razzaq

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Pandya hasn't forgotten anything

 

[Local.Dada]

Pandya hasn't forgotten anything

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I think it is remembered because it was a shocker kind of like getting knocked out by Bangladesh in 2007.

For example Pak fans might not remember last weeks loss to India (sure most have already moved on) but the loss to USA will always live on even if Pak team beat USA 20 more times in the future. Same logic applied there also.

 

[saimayubera]

I think it is remembered because it was a shocker kind of like getting knocked out by Bangladesh in 2007.

For example Pak fans might not remember last weeks loss to India (sure most have already moved on) but the loss to USA will always live on even if Pak team beat USA 20 more times in the future. Same logic applied there also.

Yup. Bang 2007 match too.

 

[jnaveen1980]

I think it is remembered because it was a shocker kind of like getting knocked out by Bangladesh in 2007.

For example Pak fans might not remember last weeks loss to India (sure most have already moved on) but the loss to USA will always live on even if Pak team beat USA 20 more times in the future. Same logic applied there also.

That was the anger against Jadeja.

 

[Major]

Different formats, different rules etc

Anyways whats really sad is that the 2017 has a stronger batting line up compared to 1992. 1992 only has Miandad

 

[jnaveen1980]

Pandya hasn't forgotten anything

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This is the next CT after that. Despite the gap, he fixed it in the very next edition.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

2007-11 World was still trying to grasp what to do with the T20 and as usual Pakistan excels when systems are not mature and professionalism is not needed. Afridi was cut above the rest.
1992: Rain Gods saved and Kudrat ke nizam kicked in Semis and Finals
2017: Just a fluke day.

2009> 1992>2017

 

[Major]

The 2009 bowling attack was a complete unit.

Like you can talk about Akram of 1992, but Umar gul of 2009 was a beast. He was such a beast that NZ kept crying that how can a bowler get reverse in a t20 game.

Our 2009 bowling unit had 2 all rounders and 3 bowlers. The 3 bowlers were proper bowlers as Amir, Gul and Ajmal were able to stand their ground.

 

[saimayubera]

2007-11 World was still trying to grasp what to do with the T20 and as usual Pakistan excels when systems are not mature and professionalism is not needed. Afridi was cut above the rest.
1992: Rain Gods saved and Kudrat ke nizam kicked in Semis and Finals
2017: Just a fluke day.

2009> 1992>2017

1992 and 2009 teams were at least good.

1992 rain saved them but they were a good team. 87 SF, 96 QF, 99 F.

2009 again capitalized with first mover advantage due to tape ball. 07 F, 10 SF, 12 SF.

2017 was a fluke like WI in 2004. Same team got destroyed a year later twice by India in AC and lost to even Bangladesh. A year later got knocked out of WC in first round.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Pandya hasn't forgotten anything

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That knock by Pandya in 2017 final was and

 

[The Bald Eagle]

2007-11 World was still trying to grasp what to do with the T20 and as usual Pakistan excels when systems are not mature and professionalism is not needed. Afridi was cut above the rest.
1992: Rain Gods saved and Kudrat ke nizam kicked in Semis and Finals
2017: Just a fluke day.

2009> 1992>2017

Yeah true 180 fluke extra runs

 

[Major]

Yeah true 180 fluke extra runs

Bro it was a fluke.

But the thing that matters is that we won.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Bro it was a fluke.

But the thing that matters is that we won.

Yep I love such flukes...it was indeed Qudrat Ka Nizam

 

[saimayubera]

Yeah true 180 fluke extra runs

fluke day.

Not taking anything away from it. But it was like WI in 2004 CT, Greece in 2004 Euro.

Same guys have been unable to win a SINGLE ODI against Ind since then

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

Yeah true 180 fluke extra runs

A fluke is a fluke ...
Stuart Binny has 6/4 in a game. Bumrah has highest runs in an over in Tests.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

To Indians, everything is a fluke.

 

[JaDed]

1992 and 2009 PCT were top contenders, 2017 was a stunner.

In all the three though they needed form and unpredictability, in 1992 PCT even had luck with weather.

In all three though Pathans helped them cross the line… it’s a team event yes, but X-factor

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

To Indians, everything is a fluke.

Yup, Pakistan was in such a consistent glorious run in 2016-18


Beating minnows and weak teams of WI and SL but getting spanked by major teams has been the only constant.

 

[Shehmir]

Pakistan have won each of the ICC tournaments. 1992 World Cup, 2009 T20 Cup and 2017 Champions Trophy.

If these teams were to play each other in a Tri-Series including both 50 overs and T20 which team would come out on top?

1992 Team - Imran Khan (c) - Sohail - Raja - Miandad - Inzaman - Malik - Akram - Ijaz - Moin - Mushy - Aaqib

2009 Team - Younis Khan (c) - K Akmal - Shahzaib - Afridi - Malik - Razzaq - Misbah - Fawad Alam - Umar Gul - Ajmal - Amir

2017 Team - Sarfraz (c) - Azhar Ali - Fakhar - Babar - Malik - Hafeez - Imad - Amir - Shadab - Hasan Ali - Junaid Khan

It seems like we are producing less and less greats as the years fly by.

Surely the 92 team would whoop the 2009 and 2017 teams? A friend believes the 2009 team would beat them?

Please give your thoughts.

Malik will play for all 3 teams

 

[Shehmir]

2007-11 World was still trying to grasp what to do with the T20 and as usual Pakistan excels when systems are not mature and professionalism is not needed. Afridi was cut above the rest.
1992: Rain Gods saved and Kudrat ke nizam kicked in Semis and Finals
2017: Just a fluke day.

2009> 1992>2017

2017 Fluke day? Before that they have also beaten tournament favourite England comprehensively in Semi Final.

 

[pratiktc]

1992 Pak was a very lucky team.

Frankly the batting was pathetic with two geriatric anchors in Imran and Miandad surrounded by a mediocre Rameez, minnow basher Sohail and out of form Ijaz and Malik. It was Inzamam's cameos which dragged them out of 1970s scoring patterns in semis and finals and saved them.

Bowling also they basically had 3 specialist bowlers of which one was a temperamental leggie and one exuberant trundler who only threatened with the new ball. Every inns Pak was dragging 20 overs out of limping Imran, Sohail and Ijaz

 

[Local.Dada]

To Indians, everything is a fluke.

Not everything, 92 World Cup was.

 

[Bhaijaan]

1992 Pak was a very lucky team.

Frankly the batting was pathetic with two geriatric anchors in Imran and Miandad surrounded by a mediocre Rameez, minnow basher Sohail and out of form Ijaz and Malik. It was Inzamam's cameos which dragged them out of 1970s scoring patterns in semis and finals and saved them.

Bowling also they basically had 3 specialist bowlers of which one was a temperamental leggie and one exuberant trundler who only threatened with the new ball. Every inns Pak was dragging 20 overs out of limping Imran, Sohail and Ijaz

2017 was their best triumph. They actually beat a class team in the final for once. No qudrat ka nizam fluke stuff. Clawed their way back to the finals and rock bottomed the best team of the tournament fair and square.

1992 - They met serial finals choker England besides all the qudrat ka nizam fluke stuff going their way. Let’s not forget Inzi himself never played a knock like that in his 1000 matches career. Neither did Wasim ever bowled a spell like that in a tournament. Fluke of the flukes.

2009 - Sri Lanka , meh

 

[Justcrazy]

1987 Pakistan WC Team was strongest Pakistan brought in WC scenario.

 

[pratiktc]

2017 was their best triumph. They actually beat a class team in the final for once. No qudrat ka nizam fluke stuff. Clawed their way back to the finals and rock bottomed the best team of the tournament fair and square.

Fully agree. 2017 was really Pak's best performance. They dominated India and England through and through in semis and finals and also beat a very good SA team.

The bowling attack of squad was very skilful with 3 quality left arm pacers , hasan ali and 2 good spin allrounders along with hafeez's bowling as fallback for matchups.

Batting did not have much power hitting at start but Fakhar up top and Hafeez in middle made up for that with good tourneys. Pak also had batting till #7 with shadab and hasan there to tonk at #8-9. Good mix of experience and young batters like Babar.

 

[topspin]

2017 was their best triumph. They actually beat a class team in the final for once. No qudrat ka nizam fluke stuff. Clawed their way back to the finals and rock bottomed the best team of the tournament fair and square.

Fully agree. 2017 was really Pak's best performance. They dominated India and England through and through in semis and finals and also beat a very good SA team.

The bowling attack of squad was very skilful with 3 quality left arm pacers , hasan ali and 2 good spin allrounders along with hafeez's bowling as fallback for matchups.

Batting did not have much power hitting at start but Fakhar up top and Hafeez in middle made up for that with good tourneys. Pak also had batting till #7 with shadab and hasan there to tonk at #8-9. Good mix of experience and young batters like Babar.

Amazing what happens when you replace Misbah as a captain and player in the side.

As soon as he was gone for good from white ball cricket, there was a complete contrast in fortunes:

2013 CT
Host: England
Captain: Misbah
Outcome: Lost all matches including a game against India.

2017 CT
Host: England
A less mediocre captain than Misbah
Outcome: Brought the CT home after beating India in the final by 180 runs

 

[RidiculousMan]

Probably CT17

 

[big_gamer007]

Pakistani 2009 T20 team was the strongest team of the era and would easily beat both the other teams in T20.

The 2009 T20 team was actually the best team in the world for a couple of years and that could not be said for any of the other two teams.

1992 team had two players way passed their prime and then bunch of newbies. The only one at his peak was probably Wasim.

2017 team was decent but consistently over 10-15 match series with any of the above two teams they will lose more than they can win. However, in smaller series or tournaments they could upset the above team. But then it’s called “upset” for a reason.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Pakistan dominated 2009 and in 2017, we did get lucky. Those dropped catches of Sarfaraz were next-level qudrat a nizaam.

 

[RizwanT20Champ]

2017 is clearly the best because of GOAT captain, keeper and player Sarfaraz @Major @shah9425 @CerebralPatriot

 

[Major]

2017 is clearly the best because of GOAT captain, keeper and player Sarfaraz @Major @shah9425 @CerebralPatriot

haan than he became Bajwas Parchi and lost respect