2nd 4-Day practice game between PCB Green & PCB White ends in a draw

[MMHS]

Looks good on paper but theoretically Amir and Sohail can both break down by the second innings — that won’t be pretty

No, it’s a fantasy lune up - Amir is retired from Test cricket, haven’t played a FC game since when I can’t recall - he won’t last more than two days. Shadab is the most useless player in this PAK squad - doesn’t bowl much and below average batsman for no. 7; means he can easily make the playing side 10 men team with a specialist fielder.

If you don’t have proper all-rounder, better pick specialist bowlers. All-rounders work better in LO cricket because there you can’t use one bowler for more than 20% overs and you can’t bat more than 50 overs; therefore players with possible multiple contributing adds up better. But for Test cricket, it’s a different ball game - what specialist bowlers can do to understand, you don’t need to go much further - just follow the three Tests currently being played between WIN & ENG. It’s Shannon Gabriel, Stuart Broad & Jimmy Anderson, while with bat it’s Blackwood, Stokes, Burns & now Pope.

Yes, to link n between batting & bowling, you can use one all-rounder who might not make it as specialist in either front, but still that has to have a minimum level - C G’homme; Watson, Moeen, Chase ..... but it’ll backfire it it comes down to two with the likes of Shadab & Faheem.

 

[The Viper]

Pakistan’s front-line bowlers enjoyed a good workout on the third day of the intra-squad match at the Incora County Ground in Derby.

Mohammad Abbas bowled throughout the morning while Shaheen Afridi had a lengthy opening spell with both taking wickets as Team White moved to 163 for six at lunch.

After rain washed out virtually all of day two, the tourists were relieved to see some blue sky for what is
the last scheduled warm-up game before the first Test against England at Emirates Old Trafford starts on August 5.

Abbas and Afridi probed away with the majority of the runs coming behind square on both sides of the wicket before Sarfaraz Ahmed missed a drive and was lbw to Afridi for 26.

Afridi bowled a seven-over opening spell from the City End, taking one for 14, before he gave way to Naseem Shah but Abbas operated unchanged from the Racecourse End.

The former Leicestershire fast bowler probed away relentlessly and was rewarded when a full length delivery uprooted the middle stump of Fawad Alam who played slightly across it after facing 150 balls for 43.​

Afridi returned for the final over of the session and had Faheem Ashraf caught low down at second slip without scoring with Abbas going into lunch with figures of one for 20 from 12 overs, six of them maidens.

 

[Junaids]

Your every argument is to some how make a space for your two stooges - Shadab & Faheem, which unfortunately somehow always comes to my radar. Honestly, in two hours first time browsing PP and it popped up like a flash light.

What about Abbas 53 runs in 30 overs with 11 maidens - I guess this time Strike rate fits the bill. Also, what about Faheem Ashesf’s 0 (1) and Shadab Khan not being given a single over out of 67 bowled so far?

I think it’s deliberate.

I think Misbah has already decided to play Iftikhar at 6, Rizwan at 7, Yasir at 8 and Sohail at 9.

And he has no intention of giving Shadab a chance to bowl.

 

[Omer2002]

Why has naseem cut his run up at age of 17..the sight of fast bowler steaming in what you want its not as if he has a physique of wasim that he can do that. Also i think imam is competing wity Abid Ali for opener spot it wud be btw faddy and ifti for 6th...which ever way you look at it we are doomed

 

[Kashur_Kalkharab]

Ifthikar I think has scored more runs then Yasir, Shadab and Faheem in the practice games thus far although hasn't bowled a lot, if he can at the very least hold an end he could get in. Not sure how effective Imam is with the ball, Fakhar apparently can roll his arm as well but again not sure of his effectiveness, at the FC level Ifthikar has a reasonable record, might be the only option for Pak in the circumstances potentially.

Shah
Sohail
Abbas
Naseem
Ifthikar

We don't necessarily require them to bowl,our fast bowlers should get the job done.But yeah with iftikar we have that right arm option against left handers.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Exactly, he got going just before he got out. He batted well in my eyes. In English conditions it's not easy to bat and in my eyes he's done well.

After several innings where he failed, I really wanted him to convert this one into a big score don’t think he’ll get the nod now.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

No, it’s a fantasy lune up - Amir is retired from Test cricket, haven’t played a FC game since when I can’t recall - he won’t last more than two days. Shadab is the most useless player in this PAK squad - doesn’t bowl much and below average batsman for no. 7; means he can easily make the playing side 10 men team with a specialist fielder.

If you don’t have proper all-rounder, better pick specialist bowlers. All-rounders work better in LO cricket because there you can’t use one bowler for more than 20% overs and you can’t bat more than 50 overs; therefore players with possible multiple contributing adds up better. But for Test cricket, it’s a different ball game - what specialist bowlers can do to understand, you don’t need to go much further - just follow the three Tests currently being played between WIN & ENG. It’s Shannon Gabriel, Stuart Broad & Jimmy Anderson, while with bat it’s Blackwood, Stokes, Burns & now Pope.

Yes, to link n between batting & bowling, you can use one all-rounder who might not make it as specialist in either front, but still that has to have a minimum level - C G’homme; Watson, Moeen, Chase ..... but it’ll backfire it it comes down to two with the likes of Shadab & Faheem.

Fully agree. Amir and Sohail won’t last and Shadab you can’t rely on so you will run Shaheen and Naseem into the ground. Your picks would be?

 

[KingOfPakBreakfast]

Faheem 2 wickets in 72 balls
Shaheen 2 wickets in 84 balls
Naseem 1 wicket in 90 balls
Sohail 5 wickets in 96 balls
Abbas 1 wicket in 180 balls.

Abbas looks unselectable to me.

The thing with (selective) stats is that one can always find a useful stat to support their argument. Heck, it's how politicians spin their way out of every issue!

Now, It looks like the Pakistan-England series will be a typically attritional contest.
However, what you have done, is looked at Abbas's figures in a vacuum. He, in fact, is the only 'metronome' that Pakistan has. He can keep testing the batsman concentration and technique outside of off stump at one end and keep the run rate modest.

Whilst Shaheen, Naseem and let's just call them bowlers 3 and 4 can have a proper go at the other end.

The best bowling attacks are greater than the sum of their parts. I believe that Abbas, as long as he gets 4-5 wickets a game, will be a factor. Shaheen and Naseem can get 10-12 wickets a game and the spinner can get 4-5 wickets a game. Hopefully that will be enough.

 

[shaz619]

We don't necessarily require them to bowl,our fast bowlers should get the job done.But yeah with iftikar we have that right arm option against left handers.

A spin option in England is useful on deteriorating wickets especially Manchester and 4th innings or even to break a partnership. Pakistan don't have a proper all rounder, either they take a chance with Iftikar or play a specialist batsman at no.7

 

[shaz619]

No, it’s a fantasy lune up - Amir is retired from Test cricket, haven’t played a FC game since when I can’t recall - he won’t last more than two days. Shadab is the most useless player in this PAK squad - doesn’t bowl much and below average batsman for no. 7; means he can easily make the playing side 10 men team with a specialist fielder.

If you don’t have proper all-rounder, better pick specialist bowlers. All-rounders work better in LO cricket because there you can’t use one bowler for more than 20% overs and you can’t bat more than 50 overs; therefore players with possible multiple contributing adds up better. But for Test cricket, it’s a different ball game - what specialist bowlers can do to understand, you don’t need to go much further - just follow the three Tests currently being played between WIN & ENG. It’s Shannon Gabriel, Stuart Broad & Jimmy Anderson, while with bat it’s Blackwood, Stokes, Burns & now Pope.

Yes, to link n between batting & bowling, you can use one all-rounder who might not make it as specialist in either front, but still that has to have a minimum level - C G’homme; Watson, Moeen, Chase ..... but it’ll backfire it it comes down to two with the likes of Shadab & Faheem.

Who would be your choice for no.7 out of the available options besides Hafeez jokes

 

[KingOfPakBreakfast]

I think it’s deliberate.

I think Misbah has already decided to play Iftikhar at 6, Rizwan at 7, Yasir at 8 and Sohail at 9.

And he has no intention of giving Shadab a chance to bowl.

Mate, I'd be gobsmacked if Ifti makes the line-up.

 

[Kashur_Kalkharab]

A spin option in England is useful on deteriorating wickets especially Manchester and 4th innings or even to break a partnership. Pakistan don't have a proper all rounder, either they take a chance with Iftikar or play a specialist batsman at no.7

I agree, it should be only a proper batsman and 4 fast bowlers. I'm considering iftikar a proper batsman quite like misbah does.

 

[Shoaibbtt]

After several innings where he failed, I really wanted him to convert this one into a big score don’t think he’ll get the nod now.

He still did ok in my eyes. We’ll see what happens InshAllah

 

[MMHS]

I think it’s deliberate.

I think Misbah has already decided to play Iftikhar at 6, Rizwan at 7, Yasir at 8 and Sohail at 9.

And he has no intention of giving Shadab a chance to bowl.

Not true actually. Shadab was given enough blowing to defend 350 last time - and he showed his class : 17-1-110-0. It wasn’t Misbah’s fault to be honest. This time, the Green XI was picked with the possible starters - and Shadab scored 11, then didn’t bowl out of 67 overs.

It’s not Misbah only most of the people following PAK cricket will pick Yasir as the lead spinner, and Sohail made a claim with his performance in practice games, still not sure to start.

 

[PakPremi]

Looking at Imam strike rate onecan see why Fawad batted only a bit slower than him,after all Imam is much more estabslised international player with Fawad trying to win back a place after soany years.

 

[KingOfPakBreakfast]

I think the biggest point of contention is, who plays at 7?

I think it's incredibly important that Pakistan play with a 5 man attack and decide the side from there.

The tact has always been 6 bats + 4 bowlers on England and people have questioned it as being negative. However, another very important factor to consider is, resource management.

The teams play three tests in 20 days, which, from a bowling workload perspective is *insane*. You need a 5 man attack to keep the bowlers relatively fresh, especially if you're expecting Shaheen+Naseem to play every game.

The extra padding of playing an extra bat, would really demonstrate a lack of faith in the top 5 batsmen, and fosters a lack of responsibility in them.

Thus, Misbah has to be brave and play 5 bowlers. Thus, Yasir, who aint getting dropped, plays at 7. Give him that responsibility. Sohail plays at 8 and Shaheen, Abbas and Naseem make up the rest.

I fully understand that the above line-up sounds completely impractical, but you go into the game, relying on your strengths i.e. the bowling, and give the batsmen the responsibility to make the runs.

 

[Corridor of Uncertainty]

Meanwhile, Pakistan is running his fast bowlers into the ground even before the series begins.

 

[MMHS]

In another thread, I put my preferred XI and the logic behind it :

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The batting display I have seen so far (apart from the second innings of last game), I am not sure if extra batsman can add much value to PAK batting - the only way PAK to make any impact with bat is Babar performing something like what Lara used to do in his last few series for WIN; then others can chip in.

In that regard, I think better combination can be to load the side with bowlers, five of them and keep constant pressure on English batting, which itself is extremely shaky. Despite a rare contribution from Butler & Broad, they could manage 369, against quite a flat WIN bowling, which actually suggests what PAK can do with all out, relentless attack.

Ideally, best combination could have been Shadab & Faheem + 3 specialist bowlers, but that can end up with a leg-spinner with zero bowling impact and a support pacer who might not score more than any of the strike pacers. I won’t get into that, because I have zero confidence on Shadab to deliver with bat, let alone ball; rather Faheem can be better deal because he can at least give 35 decent, tight overs even if he doesn’t score much.

I’ll pick both Yasir & Sohail + three pacers and back that Babar will bring his A game - anything over 450 in combined innings, PAK is in the game; make it 575+, nine times out of ten, Poms won’t win that Test. It’s a trade off between 25, may be 35 extra runs (between the pairs of Shadab/Faheem vs Yasir/Sohail; not sure though Yasir averaged 48 in Australia and Sohail can connect golf swings better than Faheem), but the bowling impact is massive. Five bowlers will allow Sohail to focus on first innings and Yasir on second while the other three can share load equally in both innings. Sohail is moving the new ball late and he is probably the best PAK pacer with new ball, but doesn’t have the legs for 40 overs in the game - his best out put can be 17+ 12 overs out of 200, and most of those 29 overs with new ball, something that has been a problem for PAK attack. Yasir can do the opposite.

It’s not going to be a batting game for either side, rather it’s a game of taking 20 wickets for lesser cost - unless it rains for significant period, I don’t see any Test to reach day 5 and odd one can finish inside 3.

Two of Shan, Abid, Fakhar
*Azhar
Babar
Asad
+Rizwan
Sohail
Yasir
Shaheen
Abbas
Naseem

- Keep attacking relentlessly and take your catches; it can happen.

——//——

 

[MMHS]

May be, now Imam also has thrown hat in the ring for the openers bout, but otherwise I believe this can be the most effective starting XI. The fitness level of PAK bowlers is as such that it’s a ticking bomb to go with four bowlers (add to that PAK batsmen hardly bowls), while picking Shadab as all-rounder only devalues the XI - his bowling won’t provide any cover for the main bowlers, his batting doesn’t give the stability.

If I am not wrong, Shadab was made captain of IU, where Misbah runs the show, therefore there shouldn’t be any conspiracy theory about Misbah isolating Shadab; BUT Misbah does know the difference between Test cricket and franchise T20; which unfortunately I don’t think true for some posters here.

 

[HappyWarsFan]

May be, now Imam also has thrown hat in the ring for the openers bout, but otherwise I believe this can be the most effective starting XI. The fitness level of PAK bowlers is as such that it’s a ticking bomb to go with four bowlers (add to that PAK batsmen hardly bowls), while picking Shadab as all-rounder only devalues the XI - his bowling won’t provide any cover for the main bowlers, his batting doesn’t give the stability.

If I am not wrong, Shadab was made captain of IU, where Misbah runs the show, therefore there shouldn’t be any conspiracy theory about Misbah isolating Shadab; BUT Misbah does know the difference between Test cricket and franchise T20; which unfortunately I don’t think true for some posters here.

It's ridiculous the amount of people saying Shadab should "bcoz he did gud in PSL!!!!" . Lmao. He had like 3 good innings and be always had 3-4 lives each innings as such as standard if PSL fielding.

Finally it's a millions times easier to bat on PSL than in test cricket in England

 

[shamaan]

Why has naseem cut his run up at age of 17..the sight of fast bowler steaming in what you want its not as if he has a physique of wasim that he can do that. Also i think imam is competing wity Abid Ali for opener spot it wud be btw faddy and ifti for 6th...which ever way you look at it we are doomed

Proberly trying to not waste to much energy

 

[shamaan]

It's raining once again. During the 7 overs of play, Sarfaraz was put down at first slip off Abbas' bowling.

Meanwhile, Pakistan is running his fast bowlers into the ground even before the series begins.

That's about right if you want to know about running fast bowlers to the ground you should no further than stokes and archer

 

[MMHS]

Have to say Azhar is a PATHATIC Captain. In a practice game his ego got better of his good sense for that 113 - hence he has made his three starting pacers to bowl 71 overs out of 79 in one innings. I hope PAK can field the first choice pacers in first Test.... third Test is long, long way to go.

 

[The Viper]

Day 3

Derby: Four-day intra-squad match day three:

End of innings

PCB Whites - first innings

198 all out in 78.3 overs

Imam ul Haq 41 not out
Fawad Alam 43
Sarfaraz Ahmed 26
Fakhar Zaman 22

Naseem Shah 4-52
Shaheen Afridi 3-47
M Abbas 1-53

 

[Mujtaba2900]

Abbas keeping things tight will always be the key for Pakistan .

 

[Mujtaba2900]

That's about right if you want to know about running fast bowlers to the ground you should no further than stokes and archer

No need to go that far just see how root bowled Anderson in first session

 

[coy0607]

Have to say Azhar is a PATHATIC Captain. In a practice game his ego got better of his good sense for that 113 - hence he has made his three starting pacers to bowl 71 overs out of 79 in one innings. I hope PAK can field the first choice pacers in first Test.... third Test is long, long way to go.

They needed to find some rhythm, and have 10 days of break after this game so its somewhat understandable. But still odd to bowl your frontline fast bowlers 71/79 overs in a practice game, especially Shaheen and Naseem. This is how you injure bowlers and/or run them into the ground

 

[Shoaibbtt]

To the people complaining about the SRs please go look at the Eng-WI and in particular look at the England innings being played just now. SRs in the 30s

 

[Zeshan547]

[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] Fully agree with your line up, but considering Misbah and wiki it's too bold for them so most likely what we will get is ifti cha-cha for Sohail. Even though it would mean playing with X vs English XI, he will make most likely 30 in both innings combined and will bowl max less than 20 Overs in both innings combine for 70 plus runs for no wicket or max one lucky wicket or some cheap tailender wicket. Playing shadab or Fahim would be equally bad if not worse. And this is only tough decision team management have to make, and this single decision can even alter the whole result with its Dimono effect. And we may see your XI by 3rd test but by then most likely it will be a dead rubber. We always learn it hard way and always be reactive than proactive.

 

[Bullet Drive]

Have to say Azhar is a PATHATIC Captain. In a practice game his ego got better of his good sense for that 113 - hence he has made his three starting pacers to bowl 71 overs out of 79 in one innings. I hope PAK can field the first choice pacers in first Test.... third Test is long, long way to go.

Not just Azhar.

Misbah also present.

 

[shamaan]

No need to go that far just see how root bowled Anderson in first session

My point is he isnt a front line bowler but he bowled a Martha on spell

 

[Xoib]

Have to say Azhar is a PATHATIC Captain. In a practice game his ego got better of his good sense for that 113 - hence he has made his three starting pacers to bowl 71 overs out of 79 in one innings. I hope PAK can field the first choice pacers in first Test.... third Test is long, long way to go.

I think before the game waqar mentioned that players are really rusty from the break so maybe getting them to bowl more is one way to bring them in shape. Especially with a rained off day it means they will only get to bowl one innings inn thos game unless first xi batting collapses again to trundle brigidade which would be a bigger concern I feel.

 

[Arsal_AK]

Naseem 21 overs, Shaheen 20 and Abbas 30. Have they gone bonkers?

Meanwhile Yasir has bowled just 5? If he is not bowling in the practice match, is not fit or whatever the reason is, what hope does he have for the actual game?

No overs from Shadab either.

 

[zarak]

Have to say Azhar is a PATHATIC Captain. In a practice game his ego got better of his good sense for that 113 - hence he has made his three starting pacers to bowl 71 overs out of 79 in one innings. I hope PAK can field the first choice pacers in first Test.... third Test is long, long way to go.

One day was washed out so it is not as bad as it looks. Naseem and Shaheen bowled 20 overs in two days so roughly 10 per day and that even at normal intensity..Abbas bowled 30 which makes it 15 per day...these seem like normal workloads

 

[Shoaibbtt]

Abid out! Gone for 16

 

[Junaids]

In this match:

Mohammad Abbas v the reserve batsmen
30-11-53-1

Faheem Ashraf v the top batsmen
14.2-5-20-3

I’m really struggling to see how Abbas is selectable. He was great until two years ago, but he’s been terrible since mid-2018.

 

[Junaids]

It's ridiculous the amount of people saying Shadab should "bcoz he did gud in PSL!!!!" . Lmao. He had like 3 good innings and be always had 3-4 lives each innings as such as standard if PSL fielding.

Finally it's a millions times easier to bat on PSL than in test cricket in England

Are you referring to the Shadab Khan with 4 scores over 45 in 9 Test innings?

Or the Shadab Khan who has played 5 Tests alongside Azhar Ali, and scored three times as many runs as Azhar in those five Tests?

 

[Abdullah719]

Teenage quick Naseem Shah took three wickets in as many overs on the third afternoon of Pakistan’s intra-squad match at the Incora County Ground in Derby.

The 17-year-old overcame some problems with his line to run through the tail of Team White who were bowled out for 198, a lead of 85 runs against Team Green who reached tea at 47 for one.

Shaheen Afridi also took three wickets while former Leicestershire paceman Mohammad Abbas bowled unchanged for 12 overs through the morning session and picked up the wicket of Fawad Alam.

Naseem strayed down legside at times but got the ball to swing at pace and cleaned up Kashif Bhatti and Usman Shinwari while Sohail Khan was caught behind.

Imran Khan clipped Afridi to short midwicket leaving Imam-ul-Haq, who had to retire hurt when he was struck on the left hand on day one, unbeaten on 41 from 140 balls.

Following the loss of virtually all of day two to rain, the tourists are desperate for their top batsmen to spend time in the middle but Abid Ali failed again in Team Green’s second innings.

After making only one in the first innings, he scored 16 off 42 balls but in the final over before tea, fell across his stumps and was lbw to Faheem Ashraf. ​

 

[Junaids]

Abbas keeping things tight will always be the key for Pakistan .

Are you sure?

In Australia he kept things tight but took 0-100.

In South Africa he kept things tight but took 5 wickets at 46.20.

I’m not sure that your Abbas exists any more.

 

[Abdullah719]

Pics from the 2nd session.

Spoiler

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

Are you sure?

In Australia he kept things tight but took 0-100.

In South Africa he kept things tight but took 5 wickets at 46.20.

I’m not sure that your Abbas exists any more.

How can Abbas suddenly lose it? He has never relied on pace just like Asif.

Has it to do the with the fact that batsmen now know how to bat against him?

 

[Abdullah719]

2nd innings wickets.

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[Arsal_AK]

It's ridiculous the amount of people saying Shadab should "bcoz he did gud in PSL!!!!" . Lmao. He had like 3 good innings and be always had 3-4 lives each innings as such as standard if PSL fielding.

Finally it's a millions times easier to bat on PSL than in test cricket in England

Shadab has good test scores as well in Eng and SA. Has a good defensive technique and has improved his shot making ability as seen in the PSL. Played shots all around the ground. No one is saying he is exceptional, just that he has improved quite a lot and has been decent enough in his test outings, all outside Asia.

And I don't remember him getting 3-4 lives each innings. He was dropped once or twice in his 70 odd innings but by then he was batting at 60 or something. I don't recall any other innings where he was dropped 2-3 times. The standard of fielding is not exceptional but it's not bad by any means, in the PSL and that standard applies to everyone, not just Shadab.

 

[angrypathan]

Those were some great deliveries by Naseem in the highlights video.

Abid Ali with his current form could find himself replaced by Imam.

Sohail Khan as expected toothless so far in the 2nd innings.

 

[Forum363]

Have to say Azhar is a PATHATIC Captain. In a practice game his ego got better of his good sense for that 113 - hence he has made his three starting pacers to bowl 71 overs out of 79 in one innings. I hope PAK can field the first choice pacers in first Test.... third Test is long, long way to go.

Ah yes, someone who has checked the scorecard and is now bashing the captain.

Do you realise that a whole day was basically washed out right? And this is the final warm up game so the bowlers needed to get a full run at least in one innings. This was the perfect practise where Abbas bowled a long, accurate spell from one end and the teenage bowlers took wickets at the other end. This is probably the first time they’ve bowled a proper workload since the break. They’ve built up towards it for a month and now they have around 10 days rest until the first test.

 

[Third Man]

Wow! Seems like Naseem is getting plenty of reverse swing both ways.

 

[Shoaibbtt]

Chachu ifti was a shocking dismissal

 

[Third Man]

No need to complicate things. For the first test, they can just go with the three seamers and Yasir Shah. If we need it, Shan and Azhar can provide 15-20 overs a day.

 

[Third Man]

For the sixth batsman, we can go with either Imam or Fakhar. Chacha Ifti is an embarrassment and should be sent back and encouraged to find a new profession.

 

[Shoaibbtt]

I still say Fawad at no.5. Chachu ifti dismissal just goes to show how impatient he is.

 

[Third Man]

For the sixth batsman, we can go with either Imam or Fakhar. Chacha Ifti is an embarrassment and should be sent back and encouraged to find a new profession.

May be selling pop-corn or something.

 

[coy0607]

2nd innings wickets.

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Naseem looks the most threatening -> pace + swing

Fakhar still getting bold on straight, length balls

 

[MMHS]

Ah yes, someone who has checked the scorecard and is now bashing the captain.

Do you realise that a whole day was basically washed out right? And this is the final warm up game so the bowlers needed to get a full run at least in one innings. This was the perfect practise where Abbas bowled a long, accurate spell from one end and the teenage bowlers took wickets at the other end. This is probably the first time they’ve bowled a proper workload since the break. They’ve built up towards it for a month and now they have around 10 days rest until the first test.

Are you sure bowling at three quarter run up is proper work out?

 

[Forum363]

Are you sure bowling at three quarter run up is proper work out?

For a 17 year old bowler, who is bowling 145+, playing test cricket in his first year and coming back after a few months out of the game?

Yes I think shortening the run-up is fine. From the look of the videos he’s still bowling some quality deliveries so perhaps this shorter run-up suits him. And the reports of him hitting batsmen means his pace isn’t exactly down either.

 

[coy0607]

May be selling pop-corn or something.

Given the current management, Ifti is more likely to come back as batting coach in about 3 months time

 

[gazza619]

Wow! Seems like Naseem is getting plenty of reverse swing both ways.

Just hope he stays fit. Really need him to play at least 2 test matches with full gas.

 

[Third Man]

Just hope he stays fit. Really need him to play at least 2 test matches with full gas.

I think the best strategy with him would be to play him in the first and third match regardless of the result.

 

[TrentDevil]

I am disappointed with Babar, initially thought he was bit rusty coming off 4 month break but he's constantly batting very slow which is very uncharacteristic of him, just hope he's not being forced by Misbah to play his style of Test Cricket.

Hoping to see the OG Babar against England iA but him tuk tuking against second string bowling XI worries me honestly

 

[zain7077]

I am disappointed with Babar, initially thought he was bit rusty coming off 4 month break but he's constantly batting very slow which is very uncharacteristic of him, just hope he's not being forced by Misbah to play his style of Test Cricket.

Hoping to see the OG Babar against England iA but him tuk tuking against second string bowling XI worries me honestly

surely if this was so, younis would suggest otherwise.

 

[Kingpin786]

2nd innings wickets.

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The delivery at 36s big movement in the air

 

[KingOfPakBreakfast]

Are you sure?

In Australia he kept things tight but took 0-100.

In South Africa he kept things tight but took 5 wickets at 46.20.

I’m not sure that your Abbas exists any more.

In South Africa he was coming back from a nasty shoulder injury.

He played *one test* in Australia, where every was and since has, been taken to the cleaners.

He is the metronome that Pakistan needs, to bring out the best in his support bowlers

 

[IdnanMahmood01]

Looking at current form of 29 man squad in England, your top 6 batsmen are :

Shaan
Imam
Azhar
Babar
Asad
Rizwaan

From the 2 keepers, i would say Sarfraaz is the better keeper

Sarfraaz (WK)

Your best spinner in the Squad is Yasir

I know Sohail is bowling well, but he's 36 and doesn't seem to be effective in the second innings, so your best 3 seamers are

Shaheen
Naeem
Abbas

The most contentious position is number 7, unfortunately we don't have a quality All Rounder. We have batsmen who bowl part time spin (Iftikhar and Fawad)...they are as effective as Azhar and Shaan bowling part time.

If Sarfraaz is not in the team then I'd play the next best batsmen in the Squad Abid Ali. Choose between Abid and Imam to bat at 6

 

[PakPremi]

I guess Fahim A is very much in the scheme to play at 7, he is being given ample opportunities to bowl. Pity he has not been able to improve his batting.

 

[HappyWarsFan]

Looking at current form of 29 man squad in England, your top 6 batsmen are :

Shaan
Imam
Azhar
Babar
Asad
Rizwaan

From the 2 keepers, i would say Sarfraaz is the better keeper

Sarfraaz (WK)

Your best spinner in the Squad is Yasir

I know Sohail is bowling well, but he's 36 and doesn't seem to be effective in the second innings, so your best 3 seamers are

Shaheen
Naeem
Abbas

The most contentious position is number 7, unfortunately we don't have a quality All Rounder. We have batsmen who bowl part time spin (Iftikhar and Fawad)...they are as effective as Azhar and Shaan bowling part time.

If Sarfraaz is not in the team then I'd play tyr next best batsmen in the Squad Abid Ali. Choose between Abid and Imam to bat at 6

Sarfraz better than Rizwan? The guy who just hit a ton last practice game

 

[coy0607]

Classic Azhar innings, going at SR of 32. Although its good to see him getting some runs, exceeded the very low expectation in the practice games for sure.

 

[shah_1]

I would pick Imam at 6 rather than Fawad or Ifti Chacha

 

[coy0607]

I guess Fahim A is very much in the scheme to play at 7, he is being given ample opportunities to bowl. Pity he has not been able to improve his batting.

Shadab and Yasir have been non-existent with the ball too - they bowled a combined total of 5 overs out of 170+ over so far. So may be they're planning an all pace attack with 4 or 5 bowlers with Faheem at 7 or 8

 

[IdnanMahmood01]

Please read the post

Better wicketkeeper, not better wicketkeeper/batsmen

 

[KingOfPakBreakfast]

Are you referring to the Shadab Khan with 4 scores over 45 in 9 Test innings?

Or the Shadab Khan who has played 5 Tests alongside Azhar Ali, and scored three times as many runs as Azhar in those five Tests?

He's probably talking about the Shadab who you're advocating to put in the side based on his *all round* skills. It's easy to bring up his effectiveness from his stats from three years ago, but a team should be picked based on how a player is performing now*.

Shadab absolutely has the ability to perform at 7. However, going by recent evidence and 'the eye test', he's a bowler whose confidence is shot.

Whilst he never was the tighest bowler, he still used to be a wicket taker. But that's been lost too currently.

He's too busy second guessing himself to out think the batsmen and that shows in the bowling.

So if you're going to pick Shadab, you might as well pick a 6th batsmen instead given Shadabs recent bowling form

 

[Saj]

Azhar Ali lbw yet again.

28 off 91 balls.

 

[PakPremi]

I would pick Imam at 6 rather than Fawad or Ifti Chacha

Tbh there is not much between Imam and Fawad both grinding batsmen and even in tvis match performed similarly.

 

[Ilan Bluestone]

Is this on TV anywhere?

 

[MenInG]

Derby: Four-day intra-squad match day three:

Stumps

PCB Greens -Second innings
133 for 3 in 48 overs

Babar Azam 25 not out
Shan Masood 49
Azhar Ali 28
Abid Ali 16

Faheem Ashraf 1-17
Imran khan 1-28
Sohail Khan 1-29

 

[Shams123]

Is this on TV anywhere?

Nope. The twitter handle of pakistan cricket sometimes upload videos of the match.

 

[Third Man]

Azhar Ali lbw yet again.

28 off 91 balls.

He's a complete passenger at this point. What a terrible predicament we're in. Azhar Ali is the captain and Misbah is the head coach. Good lord!

 

[The Viper]

Pakistan’s front-line pace attack impressed on the third day of the final scheduled intra-squad match at the Incora County Ground in Derby.

Shaheen Afridi and Naseem Shah each took three wickets while Mohammad Abbas bowled throughout the morning and conceded only 20 runs.

It was encouraging for the tourists, 10 days out from the first against England, although question marks over the batting remain with Abid Ali and captain Azhar Ali failing for a second time in the match.

Fawad Alam top scored with 43 for Team White who led by 85 after being bowled out for 198 and at the close, Team Green were 133 for three, 48 in front.

After losing all but seven overs of day two, it was a relief for the tourists to see patches of blue sky over the ground when play began on time with Mohammad Abbas embarking on an unbroken spell of 12 overs.

The former Leicestershire fast bowler gave an object lesson in control with his relentless accuracy contributing to the success of Naseem and Afridi.

His one success came when Alam, who is a candidate for next week’s opening Test, was beaten by a full length swinging delivery that plucked out middle stump.

Abbas was certainly the pick of the attack with Naseem and Afridi both struggling with their line at times although they were better after lunch when the innings quickly folded.

Naseem got through the defences of Kashif Bhatti and Usman Shinwari who were both undone by swing while late away movement found the edge of Sohail Khan’s bat.

Imran Khan clipped Afridi to short midwicket leaving Imam, who retired hurt when he was hit on the left hand on day one, unbeaten on 41 from 140 balls which could make a case for his inclusion at Manchester.

Certainly openers Abid and Shan Masood have looked far from convincing in this game with both missing out on a big score to cement their place following first innings failures.

Abid, who made one on the first day, faced 42 balls for 16 but in the last over before tea, fell across the crease and was lbw to Faheem Ashraf.

Masood was badly dropped at second slip off Sohail on 28, one of a number of catches that have gone down in the cordon in this game, but was bowled by Imran, one away from a half century.

That brought together the tourists' best two batsmen who had both made runs in last week’s warm-up match with Azhar scoring a century and Babar Azam 58.

But they had made only 38 between them in this game so it was important they spent time in the middle and both applied themselves after tea.

They added 55 in 22 overs with few problems and were close to seeing out the day until Azhar played only half forward to Sohail and was lbw for 28 from 91 balls.

At stumps, Azam was unbeaten on 25 and will look to make a significant score on the last day although the forecast is for more rain in Derby tomorrow.​

 

[Mujtaba2900]

I am disappointed with Babar, initially thought he was bit rusty coming off 4 month break but he's constantly batting very slow which is very uncharacteristic of him, just hope he's not being forced by Misbah to play his style of Test Cricket.

Hoping to see the OG Babar against England iA but him tuk tuking against second string bowling XI worries me honestly

Maybe after 5month of gap he wants to spend some time on crease instead of flashing and then getting back to pavilion.

 

[Tabishbeigh]

Fawad Alam and Asad Shafiq can’t be playing in the same 11. What is desired at this moment is a batsman who knows how to bat with the tail. Now that batsman needs to have good shot making abilities. Someone who can hit the penultimate ball for a boundary and run a quick single on the last ball. Now it’s true that only Brian Lara could do that but seriously speaking hafeez seems to be a better opinion than fawad or Iftikhar. Whatever little i have seen of chacha iffi , he can score boundaries more often than fawad alam can. You need batsman who can score quick runs with the tail, not the ones who get hit on their head while attempting a sweep shot to a spinner, (graeme swann to fawad alam 2010 perhaps). Pick 3 fast bowlers, shahdab and yasir both. Unfortunately shahdab is an equally competent batsman as iffi or fawad is . He is more of a utility player than a genuine all rounder

 

[Kashur_Kalkharab]

It's such a painful job to be captain of this team at the moment, it is impossible to select a balanced combined from the given squad.Everything is thrash.

 

[Saj]

Quite a few slip catches dropped in this match too.