3 Pennsylvania neighbors dead after fight over snow shoveling

[MenInG]

A fight that erupted over snow shoveling allegedly led to a Pennsylvania man shooting two of his neighbors to death, authorities said.

The fatal gun violence occurred in Plains Township, about 15 miles southwest of Scranton after 2 feet of snow blanketed the area, officials said.

Just before 9 a.m. on Monday, Plains Township police officers responded to a report of shots fired in a residential neighborhood and discovered 50-year-old James Goy and his 48-year-old wife, Lisa Goy, lying dead in the street in front of their home, according to a joint statement by Luzerne County District Attorney Stefanie Salavantis and Plains Township Police Chief Dale Binker.

Residents in the area directed police officers to a house across the street from the Goys' home, but as they approached the front door, a gunshot rang out, the officials said. Inside the house, police found 47-year-old James Spaide deceased from an apparent self-inflicted gunshot wound, officials said.

Neighbors told investigators that Spaide and the Goys had been engaged in a long-running feud that reached a boiling point on the snowiest day of the year.

"The Goys were shoveling the snow from their parking spots, shoveling the snow across the road, and throwing the snow onto Spaide’s property," Salavantis and Binker said in their statement.

Witnesses told investigators that Spaide asked the couple to stop, sparking a heated exchange of words. James Goy apparently threw a tool at Spaide that he had been using to clear snow from his car, according to the statement. When James Goy approached Spaide with a raised fist, Spaide reportedly retreated into his house and fetched a gun, the officials said.

"The Goys proceed to yell at him, and, using expletives, the parties called each other names," Salavantis and Binker said in their statement, adding that the episode was captured on surveillance video. "Mr. Goy then threatened Spaide and is seen making obscene gestures at him. Seconds later, Spaide returns holding a handgun."

The officials said despite seeing Spaide with a gun, James and Lisa Goy continued shouting names at him from the middle of the street.

Spaide allegedly opened fire on the couple, shooting both of them multiple times. Officials said Spaide then went back into his house and retrieved another firearm, which he reportedly used to shoot them again.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/pennsylva...-snow-shoveling-authorities/story?id=75666109

 

[MenInG]

Please dont add video as its very graphic and can be upsetting.

 

[sweep_shot]

Quite stupid.

That's all I have to say.

 

[MenInG]

When will America learn about guns?

 

[CricketCartoons]

Fight over shovelling and the killer's name is spaide.

 

[moghul]

Scranton area, Trump country, NRA's strong hold.

 

[Stewie]

When will America learn about guns?

Never!! Ever! We love our guns and we start wars in other countries and then sell weapons to both sides of a conflict. That’s our business model. Then the surplus we sell to our own people. That’s why some of us are so rich! Why would we ever change this model?

 

[Bigboii]

Never!! Ever! We love our guns and we start wars in other countries and then sell weapons to both sides of a conflict. That’s our business model. Then the surplus we sell to our own people. That’s why some of us are so rich! Why would we ever change this model?

I was watching a documentry on Jamaican gang war- thier guns came from US domestic market
Same in Trinidad
Hell lots of weapons of Mexican cartels come from US domestic markets not USSR..

 

[Giannis]

Scranton area, Trump country, NRA's strong hold.

I always thought Scranton was some liberal college town, it's also Biden's hometown

 

[Stewie]

I was watching a documentry on Jamaican gang war- thier guns came from US domestic market
Same in Trinidad
Hell lots of weapons of Mexican cartels come from US domestic markets not USSR..

USSR is dead. I am guessing you meant Russia. Russia barely has weapons to keep its own country at the same level as US anymore. Don’t get me wrong they are a mighty power but not what USSR nice used to be.

I would think close to 75-80% of instruments of death in this world are made by us. Most weapons used in civil wars, armed conflicts, drug cartels, etc are American made hand me downs from either other governments who bought them from America or directly from backers who want these factions to continue to fight.

Hurray to our rights to bear arms! And defend ourselves!!!!

 

[Bigboii]

USSR is dead. I am guessing you meant Russia. Russia barely has weapons to keep its own country at the same level as US anymore. Don’t get me wrong they are a mighty power but not what USSR nice used to be.

I would think close to 75-80% of instruments of death in this world are made by us. Most weapons used in civil wars, armed conflicts, drug cartels, etc are American made hand me downs from either other governments who bought them from America or directly from backers who want these factions to continue to fight.

Hurray to our rights to bear arms! And defend ourselves!!!!

You didn't get the point I think
back in the day like i the 90s most of the heavy weapons came from USSR to black market but in SA and Caribbean US gun market was so powerful and almost lawless that they just got thier weaponry from US even though USSR was in total disarray

and most of these weapons were used for domestic consumption in US

 

[Stewie]

You didn't get the point I think
back in the day like i the 90s most of the heavy weapons came from USSR to black market but in SA and Caribbean US gun market was so powerful and almost lawless that they just got thier weaponry from US even though USSR was in total disarray

and most of these weapons were used for domestic consumption in US

The 90s are long gone, my friend. But yes that might have been the case at the time. US produces so many weapons and flood the market so much that I’m sure the older stuff is quickly and easily discarded.

There are more guns in the US than people. I think there is 1.2 guns available/capita here. So if you are a nice friendly gun toting American couple expecting a child, don’t worry book one for your new born right away because it is available!

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

USSR is dead. I am guessing you meant Russia. Russia barely has weapons to keep its own country at the same level as US anymore. Don’t get me wrong they are a mighty power but not what USSR nice used to be.

I would think close to 75-80% of instruments of death in this world are made by us. Most weapons used in civil wars, armed conflicts, drug cartels, etc are American made hand me downs from either other governments who bought them from America or directly from backers who want these factions to continue to fight.

Hurray to our rights to bear arms! And defend ourselves!!!!

You are being sarcastic I know, but Americans believe right to bear arms is part of their freedom, same as free speech. With this sort of mindset it is very difficult to give up that right. Probably runs deep in the psyche from the days of the wild west similar to some areas of Pakistan like KPK.

 

[Stewie]

You are being sarcastic I know, but Americans believe right to bear arms is part of their freedom, same as free speech. With this sort of mindset it is very difficult to give up that right. Probably runs deep in the psyche from the days of the wild west similar to some areas of Pakistan like KPK.

There is more to it. It has been hammered into their brains by the military industrial complex blot fear for their safety and freedom and suspect the government. The policy the MIC uses domestically is a microcosm of the one they have in place internationally. Create suspicion, conflict, lack of trust, chaos and mayhem and then profit from it.

Americans, above all, distrust their own government, and want weapons so they can defend themselves against the tyranny of their own government... and /or other elements but mainly a tyrannical government. This sentiment and the right to bear arms would have made sense in the days right after the nation’s birth in the late 18th century. When Britain was the oppressor and they fought using muskets.

What good would semi automatics and assault rifles do against the full might of the US government if they want to take you on?

 

[Bigboii]

There is more to it. It has been hammered into their brains by the military industrial complex blot fear for their safety and freedom and suspect the government. The policy the MIC uses domestically is a microcosm of the one they have in place internationally. Create suspicion, conflict, lack of trust, chaos and mayhem and then profit from it.

Americans, above all, distrust their own government, and want weapons so they can defend themselves against the tyranny of their own government... and /or other elements but mainly a tyrannical government. This sentiment and the right to bear arms would have made sense in the days right after the nation’s birth in the late 18th century. When Britain was the oppressor and they fought using muskets.

What good would semi automatics and assault rifles do against the full might of the US government if they want to take you on?

360 mil + people with semi autometics against the governent ...

 

[Stewie]

360 mil + people with semi autometics against the governent ...

Not gonna happen, there are more guns than people but only 40% of the population is armed. Then of those 40%, you have obviously differing political views so they are not all going to agree ever.

My point is, you claim to be the world’s biggest democracy, you vote these people in. Your house of reps and senate and president at the national level and the governors and reps and senators at the state level, all these are elected officials that you as Americans are putting place. Then why would you complain about them being tyrannical? Cant you just vote them out after their terms, every two years rather than picking up arms?

The whole argument is utterly nonsensical. In this day and age, in a civilized democracy, you only need military grade weapons at that scale to hold a coup or a revolution. The closest we got it to it was during the capital insurrection of 1/6, that’s the best example. The guns are supposed to be targeted a specific cross section of the population who can strong arm a democratic to their whims and fancies, use it as a threat. We all saw that! The whole notion is radicalist in design. Nothing civil about it!

 

[Colorblind Genius]

As sad as it gets but how can you shovel snow from YOUR driveway, and throw it all the way, into the neighbor's property ACCROSS the street?

You are talking about a 50 year old shoveling 2 feet of snow. It doesn't make sense.

 

[Stewie]

As sad as it gets but how can you shovel snow from YOUR driveway, and throw it all the way, into the neighbor's property ACCROSS the street?

You are talking about a 50 year old shoveling 2 feet of snow. It doesn't make sense.

In this region it gets pretty snowy, and most localities have snow plows run through to clear the streets. If you dump it on the wrong side of the street, when a plow comes through, it mostly pushes it from the street to the right into the edge of private properties. I struggle with this all the time, we have a huge wall of it wrapped around our front yard.
I think he was not shoveling it into his yard, which is generally expected of you. He was dumping it on the street and it was ending up on the neighbors front yard, would be my guess.

 

[sweep_shot]

I am glad I do not live in USA. Too many guns. Too many rednecks.

 

[guna]

Every week just in Chicago at least 2 dozen people get shot and many of them fatally. All related to gang violence in ghettos.

 

[Bigboii]

Justice Scalia explaining Gun control and its relationship to US constitution/ history

...

 

[Stewie]

...

But it’s all in the historical context, isn’t it? Did he refer to the British Bill of Rights and how they had it too? So what happened to that? Why are guns not as easily accessible even the UK?

 

[Bigboii]

But it’s all in the historical context, isn’t it? Did he refer to the British Bill of Rights and how they had it too? So what happened to that? Why are guns not as easily accessible even the UK?

(this was more for the historical background)
Guns should be legal do you agree or no?
I assume no
But I think they should be imo

Gun control laws will not prevent criminals from obtaining guns or breaking laws. (I.E Chicago and other such examples)
(especially now when gov can't take away all the guns creating a huge black market in the process which'll create a probation type criminal scenario)

so from that prospective gun restrictions will do more harm than good

2- More gun control is unnecessary because relatively few people are killed by guns.
Majority of the country dies of other types things not guns in fact " Internationally, the claim that the United States has a major problem with firearm homicide is exaggerated. The United States is ranked 28 in international homicide rates with 2.97 gun murders per 100,000 people in 2012." so exadurated is an understatement everything in the US gets too much attention resulting in "bad" pr
United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC), “Global Study on Homicide,” unodc.org

More specifically we should discuss what kinds of weapons to ban not ban them outright that would be tyranny and unconstitutional "misdemeanor" of the highest level

 

[Bigboii]

Gun control laws do not deter crime; gun ownership deters crime.

“assault weapons bans did not significantly affect murder rates at the state level” and “states with restrictions on the carrying of concealed weapons had higher gun-related murders.”

“An Examination of the Effects of Concealed Weapons Laws and Assault Weapons Bans on State-Level Murder Rates,” Applied Economics Letters, tandfonline.com

"While gun ownership doubled in the twentieth century, the murder rate decreased."
Now I agree as the tech devolved so did the crime fighting ability resulting in lower crime rates but it also disproves that assault rifles rise is leading to more homicides - cause they aren't

We can have guns for protection (right guaranteed by constitution) but with strong policing we can enjoy the best of both worlds
and not let out our frustrations on people's rights instead focusing on things that actually make a difference strong policing

 

[Stewie]

(this was more for the historical background)
Guns should be legal do you agree or no?
I assume no
But I think they should be imo

Gun control laws will not prevent criminals from obtaining guns or breaking laws. (I.E Chicago and other such examples)
(especially now when gov can't take away all the guns creating a huge black market in the process which'll create a probation type criminal scenario)

so from that prospective gun restrictions will do more harm than good

2- More gun control is unnecessary because relatively few people are killed by guns.
Majority of the country dies of other types things not guns in fact " Internationally, the claim that the United States has a major problem with firearm homicide is exaggerated. The United States is ranked 28 in international homicide rates with 2.97 gun murders per 100,000 people in 2012." so exadurated is an understatement everything in the US gets too much attention resulting in "bad" pr
United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC), “Global Study on Homicide,” unodc.org

More specifically we should discuss what kinds of weapons to ban not ban them outright that would be tyranny and unconstitutional "misdemeanor" of the highest level

I personally have no issues with guns being legal. But I do have issues with gun control laws and how guns are so flooded in the country. You can buy a gun easier than getting a driver’s license. Depending on the state, there are background laws but most of them are a joke. You get your vision tested when you apply for a driver’s license and yet there is no thorough background check required, and no safety/responsibility training for gun owners. Criminals can buy guns, mental patients can buy guns, heck in the Kenosha shooting, this kid who is 17 year old had an assault rifle with him and he was wandering about supposedly protecting people and the police knew about it and did nothing.

I think it’s the overall attitude towards gun rights that disgusts me. It’s full of bullheaded stubbornness. You can easily avoid all these school shootings at least with smarter gun control. At the same time the gun manufacturers should be taxed heavily as well so the country is not so full of guns. They should not be so readily and easily and cheaply available.

America is the only civilized country in the world where “gun control” is a problem and yet the proliferation of guns isnt.

 

[Bigboii]

I personally have no issues with guns being legal. But I do have issues with gun control laws and how guns are so flooded in the country. You can buy a gun easier than getting a driver’s license. Depending on the state, there are background laws but most of them are a joke. You get your vision tested when you apply for a driver’s license and yet there is no thorough background check required, and no safety/responsibility training for gun owners. Criminals can buy guns, mental patients can buy guns, heck in the Kenosha shooting, this kid who is 17 year old had an assault rifle with him and he was wandering about supposedly protecting people and the police knew about it and did nothing.

I think it’s the overall attitude towards gun rights that disgusts me. It’s full of bullheaded stubbornness. You can easily avoid all these school shootings at least with smarter gun control. At the same time the gun manufacturers should be taxed heavily as well so the country is not so full of guns. They should not be so readily and easily and cheaply available.

America is the only civilized country in the world where “gun control” is a problem and yet the proliferation of guns isnt.

Yep NRA was started to educate about guns and its use not what it is right now

1- Like driver license you should learn how to use these guns properly and take a test with instructor on its usage
- Minimum age (that's all!)
2- But no ban on types of guns use I don't think it achieves much other than general "fear" of strict gun control

Problem lies with the paranio of "banning" guns this language creates stuborness one action is seen as one "step" towards total ban/ strict gun control which is tyranny

 

[Bigboii]

But these guns should be controlled with chips and all so they can't leave the country and end up in war zones/ gangs in Caribbean, SA

domestically I think we can have tham