"4-1 was a flattering score line for England (in the Test series vs India)" : Sanjay Manjrekar

[Abdullah719]

"4-1 was a flattering score line for England (in the Test series vs India)" : Sanjay Manjrekar

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Curran plays ahead of Broad. England at it again - Bizarre selections.<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ENGvWI?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ENGvWI</a></p>— Sanjay Manjrekar (@sanjaymanjrekar) <a href="https://twitter.com/sanjaymanjrekar/status/1088271681960005633?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 24, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Sanjay ... I think you are forgetting this England team that are at it again beat India 4-1 & then beat Sri Lanka 3-0 away from home last year ... # <a href="https://t.co/BcAtSYt2xz">https://t.co/BcAtSYt2xz</a></p>— Michael Vaughan (@MichaelVaughan) <a href="https://twitter.com/MichaelVaughan/status/1088273707099840512?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 24, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Not forgetting at all. It’s despite their strange selections that they won. Short term success is never a good indicator. Just one ICC title for a team that played its first international in 1877 tells you something. <a href="https://t.co/FHuLE0g6hu">https://t.co/FHuLE0g6hu</a></p>— Sanjay Manjrekar (@sanjaymanjrekar) <a href="https://twitter.com/sanjaymanjrekar/status/1088307986756526080?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 24, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Also SL that England faced in SL was the weakest its ever been, and India, well, 4-1 was a flattering score line for England, you know that as well as I do. Long term sustained success is a true reflection of a great team. Let’s see what the future holds for England. <a href="https://t.co/FHuLE0g6hu">https://t.co/FHuLE0g6hu</a></p>— Sanjay Manjrekar (@sanjaymanjrekar) <a href="https://twitter.com/sanjaymanjrekar/status/1088310034260467713?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 24, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[Markhor]

It was a flattering scoreline but India didn't take their chances. They had England 80-7 a couple of occasions but didn't finish them off.

 

[Shandarchowka]

Cringeworthy replies as always from Manjrekar. Vaughan owned him with just 1 response.

/thread

 

[jagatk]

Cringeworthy replies as always from Manjrekar. Vaughan owned him with just 1 response.

/thread

Please enlighten us how? Manju was proven correct as curran went for 4+ rpo an over and went wicketless.

 

[Shandarchowka]

Please enlighten us how? Manju was proven correct as curran went for 4+ rpo an over and went wicketless.

'Manju' should be the last person to comment about bizarre selections. Bizarrely enough, I've never seen this motormouth speaking against the obvious nonsense Kohli does with Indian team? Is it because of job security and spinelessness or obvious stupidity and lack of thought?

 

[jagatk]

'Manju' should be the last person to comment about bizarre selections. Bizarrely enough, I've never seen this motormouth speaking against the obvious nonsense Kohli does with Indian team? Is it because of job security and spinelessness or obvious stupidity and lack of thought?

Actually he has been only one who has been getting in constant digs at kohli for his selections, after the first game itself he kept bringing up kohli dropping ChePu in England every game, don't expect direct criticism he is paid by the bcci but he has been anything but quiet on india's selections. Also it can't be called spineless really if the last guy who criticized captain clueless lost his job, in the end that's how he earns.

Also how does negate what he said as he was proven correct.

 

[Amjid Javed]

England beat a weakest SL team ever?

Didnt India just beat a weakened Australia?

 

[BreadPakoda]

Why did they drop Broad? Has he been that bad?

 

[BreadPakoda]

Overreaction from Sanjay Manjarekar. There was need to talk about ICC titles etc.

 

[BreadPakoda]

Vaughn didn't give any insightful comment too. A team can have good results despite poor selection. Doesn't mean you ignore the selection issues.

 

[jnaveen1980]

It is just like a typical conversation you see in cricket forums. I despise Manju. But this statement has to be viewed with context. No big deal. We see this all the time on forums.

 

[Banter]

2 has-beens sniping at each other with half-truths.

Boring.

 

[jnaveen1980]

I like English guys when they self-deprecate. When they brag they don't look real nice Hope India gives them epic thrashing at home.

 

[Oligochaetes]

Why does Manju keep poking his nose in other country business

 

[pratiktc]

Both Woakes and Broad are far far better choices than Curran across all conditions. With Foakes, Stokes and Ali they don't even really need Curran's batting

 

[jnaveen1980]

Why does Manju keep poking his nose in other country business

As much as one hates Manju, don't you think that is what sports fans do? Comment about all cricketing aspects? Don't you see Pak fans offering free advise to "srilankan batsmen".

 

[jnaveen1980]

Both Woakes and Broad are far far better choices than Curran across all conditions. With Foakes, Stokes and Ali they don't even really need Curran's batting

Curran is really a strange phenomenon. A man who was chosen for bowling changed the scoreline from 2-3 to 1-4 with his batting. He repeated in Srilanka with his batting. His lower order resistance has outweighed his usefulness as bowler

 

[Banter]

Curran is really a strange phenomenon. A man who was chosen for bowling changed the scoreline from 2-3 to 1-4 with his batting. He repeated in Srilanka with his batting. His lower order resistance has outweighed his usefulness as bowler

If the ball doesn't swing much, he's basically a 5th bowler at his pace. If West Indies were a competent test batting unit, they could have made England pay for selecting only 2 full-time bowlers. In a test match. But they blew it.

 

[par]

'Manju' should be the last person to comment about bizarre selections. Bizarrely enough, I've never seen this motormouth speaking against the obvious nonsense Kohli does with Indian team? Is it because of job security and spinelessness or obvious stupidity and lack of thought?

Manjrekar has been voicing his opinion on Kohli's bizarre selections since the SA tour.

 

[saeed5646]

As much as one hates Manju, don't you think that is what sports fans do? Comment about all cricketing aspects? Don't you see Pak fans offering free advise to "srilankan batsmen".

Manju is not just "sports fan". he is ex cricketer whose comments have value world wide.

His comments should be non baised rather than acting like casual fans whose point of way are always bias and illogical

 

[jagatk]

Manju is not just "sports fan". he is ex cricketer whose comments have value world wide.

His comments should be non baised rather than acting like casual fans whose point of way are always bias and illogical

But they aren't biased are they he questioned selection of a bowler who went for 4.5 rpo and went wicketless, how are you biased if you are correct.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Manju is not just "sports fan". he is ex cricketer whose comments have value world wide.

His comments should be non baised rather than acting like casual fans whose point of way are always bias and illogical

That is applicable on air not off air. Off air you are fan of your country fan of the game. What he said was purely cricketing related. Vaughan chose to brag about the scoreline not knowing it has come back to bite him several times with his earlier braggins.

 

[rhony]

4-1 was flattering. However Eng 3-0 in SL is as good as India 2-1 in AUS. These are tough places to tour.

 

[barah_admi]

Sanjay...normally level headed but that is weird from him.

In terms of Broad, him not playing isnt just because England do not want him, it is more to do with them not currently requiring him with the composition of the side they want.

 

[Gullycricket]

Eng is on its way for ATG team

 

[Napa]

Eng is on its way for ATG team

Cringeworthy replies as always from Manjrekar. Vaughan owned him with just 1 response.

/thread

61/8 against the #8 Test side... these tweets are not aging well.

 

[GoUgandaCranes]

61/8 against the #8 Test side... these tweets are not aging well.

A look at the scorecard will also show who the second highest scorer in the English innings is.

 

[JattMaula]

A look at the scorecard will also show who the second highest scorer in the English innings is.

And also the worst bowler on a seamers pitch.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Indians need to get over it , 4-1 is a hammering .

 

[Mp812]

Day 2: 2nd Session - England trail by 216 runs
WI - 289
ENG - 73/9 (29.5 Ovs)

 

[Hasan123]

England deserved to win the series no matter what how well India played. They didn’t take their chances. But I think overall India are a better team than England in tests.

 

[Napa]

Indians need to get over it , 4-1 is a hammering .

Losing 5 tosses in a row is bad luck.

According to Webster:

Hammering - noun - being badly beaten, for example England conceding 759/7d on the way to a 4-0 series loss.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Losing 5 tosses in a row is bad luck.

According to Webster:

Hammering - noun - being badly beaten, for example England conceding 759/7d on the way to a 4-0 series loss.

Your countrymen are just embarrassing yourselves. 4-1 regardless of any context is a beating, hammering , got smashed , pummelled , destroyed or other English terms such as these . Accept it and get ready for IPL . An Indian team will win it for sure

 

[Napa]

Your countrymen are just embarrassing yourselves. 4-1 regardless of any context is a beating, hammering , got smashed , pummelled , destroyed or other English terms such as these .

So you say, however Webster disagrees

 

[QalandarFan]

Lmao 2-1, 2-2, maybe even 3-1 but how is 4-1 a flattering scoreline for England? That’s a straight up hammering no two ways around it, and in which the better team won. Also how can you discredit England’s win in SL by saying it was the weakest team in history, when India just beat the weakest team Australian team in history? Not discrediting India’s win but England’s triumph in SL considering how much they struggle against spin is just as big of an achievement.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Just saw the bowling line up lol I mean Manjrekar is right. They are seriously insecure about their batting that they fill their XI with btasmen.

 

[imranq]

The content of the tweets aside, those are some childish replies from both.

 

[jnaveen1980]

The content of the tweets aside, those are some childish replies from both.

Manjrekar merely commented about the team composition. Vaughan was the one who was bragging. He got served well now with absolute demolition of their batting on a slightly spicier pitch where they missed Broad.

 

[James]

West Indies battering England - England battered India - India battered Australia. )

 

[Thomaskutty]

Sanjay is right, why pick a dibbly dobbler like Curran over the veteran Stuart Broad? That is the problem with bowling in english conditions, even the harmless ones look lethal.

 

[Sachin136]

4-1 was flattering. However Eng 3-0 in SL is as good as India 2-1 in AUS. These are tough places to tour.

Certainly not. A series win in Australia is a much better achievement which no Asian team had gotten.

 

[mystical man]

West Indies battering England - England battered India - India battered Australia. )

The Game is not over and England can still fight back to win this test and the series as well

 

[gh54785]

INDIA batsmen apart from Kohli failed big time in England. Chasing is difficult overseas but expect No. 1 team to do better than others but that said would have loved to see India win atleast a single toss in the whole series. Kohli has never lost a match after winning the toss so ENG's luck favored them by quite some margin.

 

[ind_win]

I do not know about other Indian posters, but I admit India failed in Eng and SA to take advantage of their weakness - captaincy and selection failures - 60%, batsmen apart from kohli - openers and pujara,rahane failures - 40%. Hope kohli learns from his mistakes and not be so egoistic. Period.

 

[introvert]

Childish tweets from both. Sanju Manju always tweets about other teams but never openly criticize indian blunders & he is a known goal post switcher.

More than Curran, picking rashid over broad on this pitch is bigger blunder Imo.

 

[The Viper]

Not the sharpest is Sanjay. Unnecessary comments.

 

[Bubby]

Lmao 2-1, 2-2, maybe even 3-1 but how is 4-1 a flattering scoreline for England? That’s a straight up hammering no two ways around it, and in which the better team won. Also how can you discredit England’s win in SL by saying it was the weakest team in history, when India just beat the weakest team Australian team in history? Not discrediting India’s win but England’s triumph in SL considering how much they struggle against spin is just as big of an achievement.

Yes England were a better team but if you look at all the matches India lost there they were close and could have gone either way barring the second match

 

[gazza619]

Not the sharpest is Sanjay. Unnecessary comments.

I think old age has taken its toll. We have seen what Rameez Raja has turned into.

 

[Bubby]

Also I am seeing the mode of dismissal of some of the English players, some of them have issues against short pitch stuff, and that includes Buttler,the way curren got out gives you impression that this guy has issues against short pitch stuff, which I expect team to exploit he just takes his eyes away from short ball, teams will now tuck him up and bowl around chest and it will be interesting to see how he tackle that.

 

[jadaja]

Sanjay is right 4-1 was lot closer than the results .It could have gone either way with some luck.

But India if it needs to be super team has to overcome these hurdles.It will sound more like sour grapes.

But selecting Curran over Broad is just silly.Curran sorry is going to fade away, he has no talent/skills as a bowler.

 

[Mp812]

Yes England were a better team but if you look at all the matches India lost there they were close and could have gone either way barring the second match

This fact is conveneintly overlooked. A little bit of luck and series scoreline would be different.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Curran is going to be bounced out by teams going forward. He looked like Mohammad AMir against bouncers. He just throws the kitchen sink at full balls and balls that have width. Well directed bouncer is all you need to nail him.

 

[Napa]

A look at the scorecard will also show who the second highest scorer in the English innings is.

You are seriously suggesting that a player justified his selection because he scored 14 runs?

 

[jnaveen1980]

You are seriously suggesting that a player justified his selection because he scored 14 runs?

For one thing Broad could score atleast 5 runs. But him bowling out Windies for a cheaper total means dynamics will completely change.

 

[Hyperion66]

It is just like a typical conversation you see in cricket forums. I despise Manju. But this statement has to be viewed with context. No big deal. We see this all the time on forums.

Even a broken clock is right twice a day. Manju isn't wrong on this one but that "Week SL" jibe was uncalled for and so was the ICC title thing.

 

[Hyperion66]

Why does Manju keep poking his nose in other country business

Cuz he has a nose and he likes to poke I guess

 

[Napa]

Lmao 2-1, 2-2, maybe even 3-1 but how is 4-1 a flattering scoreline for England
?.

The word flattering used here implies the 4-1 scoreline made England look better than they actually are, which is what Manjrekar meant.

 

[Hyperion66]

Everything that could go wrong went wrong in that series, from selection issues to Bhuvi's unavailability. But no point moaning now, England won fair and square, we gotta learn from the mistakes, give credit to opposition and move on.

 

[jnaveen1980]

The word flattering used here implies the 4-1 scoreline made England look better than they actually are, which is what Manjrekar meant.

yes series was a lot tighter than scoreline suggests. Game was in the balance in 3 of the matches. Only 2 one sided games. One India won. One England won. Infact India was in a much more commanding position win 2 of those tests.

 

[MP2011]

Cringe worthy comments as usual from Manjrekar! Eng has won just 1 ICC title despite playing since 1877? Did he forget that first ICC trophy was played approx 100 years after Eng started playing test cricket?

And what was the need to bring them in any case? Just because they picked a promising (and performing) all rounder over an ageing great seamer?

 

[MP2011]

Regarding that Eng series, yes we lost tosses, yes we were plagued by injuries and also by Kohli being Kohli as far as team selection was concerned.

However, credit to England. They managed to wriggle their way out of trouble almost every time. And hence series result should not surprise anyone.

 

[Savak]

Cringe worthy comments as usual from Manju didi! Eng has won just 1 ICC title despite playing since 1877? Did he forget that first ICC trophy was played approx 100 years after Eng started playing test cricket?

And what was the need to bring them in any case? Just because they picked a promising (and performing) all rounder over an ageing great seamer?

Stuart Broad's recent performances have not been flattering, he is simply being made to work hard and earn his place back in the side. Similarly England is also preparing for the future by giving chances to Sam Curran because soon life without Anderson and Broad is going to become a reality

 

[MP2011]

I know that. And hence I meant picking Curran over Broad isn't as bad as it is being paraded as.

However as happens so many times, the players who're not on park are usually deemed as better players than the ones who are actually playing the game.

 

[Balthazar]

Cringe-worthy comments from Sanju Manju. Can't he ever stop embarrassing himself.

Sam Curran was the difference between India losing and winning and he rightly earned his spot ahead of Broad.

Indian TV channels need to get rid of these so called analysts, who offer nothing worthwhile to the audience.

 

[Sin Nombre]

A lot of people here need basic English lessons. Obviously, the 4-1 scoreline was flattering to England. Even Vaughan agrees with that.

 

[jagatk]

Cringe-worthy comments from Sanju Manju. Can't he ever stop embarrassing himself.

Sam Curran was the difference between India losing and winning and he rightly earned his spot ahead of Broad.

Indian TV channels need to get rid of these so called analysts, who offer nothing worthwhile to the audience.

Given the fact that Curran isn't really a good bowler and his figures this game are 19 overs 82 runs for 1 wicket, in a game where either team has yet to reach 300, Manju was correct, so how is it embarrassing if you are correct? And he tweeted nothing to do with any TV channel.

 

[Napa]

A lot of people here need basic English lessons. Obviously, the 4-1 scoreline was flattering to England. Even Vaughan agrees with that.

I don't think that Vaughan thinks England were weaker than what the 4-1 scoreline suggests.

 

[Napa]

A lot of people here need basic English lessons. Obviously, the 4-1 scoreline was flattering to England. Even Vaughan agrees with that.

A usage similar to Manjrekar's of the word "flattering" can be found in the following article:

https://www.planetrugby.com/news/the-score-flattered-us-young/

 

[big_gamer007]

Let's make it clear losing 4-1 to England was embarrassing and poor from the Indian team.. I wrote before the series as well it was the best chance for India to win in England considering how bad form England were in losing 5-0 to Australia and being 21-9 or something to new Zealand..

Their team were not just out of form but over age as well.

Now Indian team on the other hand were at their physical prowess.. All batsmen were at their peak age and bowlers as well. However the batsmen bar Kohli failed miserably and bowlers also performed well in patches.. The series showed that Indians are still one generation away from being dominant test nation away from home.

 

[Balthazar]

Given the fact that Curran isn't really a good bowler and his figures this game are 19 overs 82 runs for 1 wicket, in a game where either team has yet to reach 300, Manju was correct, so how is it embarrassing if you are correct? And he tweeted nothing to do with any TV channel.

The fact that he has to mention England's WC record when discussing about Test cricket gives you enough insight about the person. That's why Vaughan didn't even bother to reply to him. lol

Broad should've come in for one of Ali or Rashid. This is not a spinner's wicket.

 

[saeed5646]

That is applicable on air not off air. Off air you are fan of your country fan of the game. What he said was purely cricketing related. Vaughan chose to brag about the scoreline not knowing it has come back to bite him several times with his earlier braggins.

There are tool in ex cricketer like vaughan,sehwag and shoaib akhtar .no body take there view seriously .maju is good anaylist with good knowledge of game but here he is comparing apple with orange .india/eng series is history so move on from it.

 

[RainMan_]

Cringeworthy replies as always from Manjrekar. Vaughan owned him with just 1 response.

/thread

To be completely honest it's exactly the opposite.

I think for the first time in his career as an analyst, sanjay has made a valid point and he was quite courteous in conveying his message. Vaugn's response was quite Cringeworthy.

 

[Shandarchowka]

61/8 against the #8 Test side... these tweets are not aging well.

Lol.. funny to see you taking happiness out of England's plight considering how you were mauled by no less than 4-1 margin. The tweets are still and will remain cringy. Manjrekar probably forgot the English summer quickly after beating the batting leader(s)less Australia.

 

[Arham_PakFan]

4-1 didn't portray the competitive spirit that India showed.

They dominated large parts of the series, and Curran played a huge part in ensuring England came out on top.

Credit should be given when it's due.

 

[Sin Nombre]

I don't think that Vaughan thinks England were weaker than what the 4-1 scoreline suggests.

Vaughan said that India "deserved" a 3-2 scoreline at least during the 5th test.

 

[BreadPakoda]

Vaughan lost this one so badly. Nonsensical to drop Broad and open the bowling with Curran. Regardless of the final result, allowing Holder to hit a blazing 200 is unforgivable. I know he’s talented but 200 is a big deal in the sport.

 

[Napa]

Lol.. funny to see you taking happiness out of England's plight considering how you were mauled by no less than 4-1 margin. The tweets are still and will remain cringy. Manjrekar probably forgot the English summer quickly after beating the batting leader(s)less Australia.

I grant you that though the facts are not in your favor, you try hard to make a case, though it only results in Indian and other posters mercilessly taking your posts apart.

In the present case, it is not that I am savoring England's plight, I am simply pointing out the fallacy of your posts that England is a better Test team compared to India.

 

[Savak]

Lol Sanjay Manjrekar blocked Michael Vaughan on twitter after getting embarrassed for his views on Ravindra Jadeja. Can dish it out but can't take it.

 

[tyron_woodley]

Cringeworthy replies as always from Manjrekar. Vaughan owned him with just 1 response.

/thread

not really. winning the toss help England win. they got extremely lucky. he isn't wrong. had india won the toss it could very well have been 4-1 to india.

pakistam will give them a phainta again anyway.

 

[Robert]

not really. winning the toss help England win. they got extremely lucky. he isn't wrong. had india won the toss it could very well have been 4-1 to india.

pakistam will give them a phainta again anyway.

No such thing as luck over a long series. England were in trouble several times but kept recovering due to people like Curran. Skill not luck.