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4th ball used in 39 overs by England! This is unacceptable!

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Nikhil_cric

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This cant keep happening. Every time the ball stops moving, Broad and co. complain and get it replaced and there is extra movement and lift ! I can understand it happening once in 80 overs but this cant be allowed again and again

What do Ppers think?
 
Actually it's been a issue up and down the country with the latest batch of balls dukes are producing. We're having same issues in county cricket
 
Manunited18 said:
Actually it's been a issue up and down the country with the latest batch of balls dukes are producing. We're having same issues in county cricket
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But it seems deliberate to help English way of playing.

Although even SG went down so can’t complain..
 
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Nothing new from England, this.
 
JaDed said:
But it seems deliberate to help English way of playing.

Although even SG went down so can’t complain..
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SG wasnt changed so many times. Swing was down to 0.32 degrees and after ball change went Upto thrice that level as per Cricviz.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
SG wasnt changed so many times. Swing was down to 0.32 degrees and after ball change went Upto thrice that level as per Cricviz.
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That’s true.. for that itself Ash and Kohli complained.
English seem whining right now, they should take it up with their board.
 
If ball is unfit, nothing wrong with a change. They replace the ball with a similar ball.
 
As the commentators stated, just because the ball won't go through the metal hoop, does not mean that it should be changed.

These days it seems that as soon as the ball won't go through the hoop they change it.
 
Every time batsman hits a couple of boundaries, Everytime a partnership develops they change the ball lol
 
Srilanka used these tactics against pakistan some time back everytime a partnership would develop.
Invariably kulasekera would strike with the newer one. Used to drive me mad.
 
ethan hunt said:
Srilanka used these tactics against pakistan some time back everytime a partnership would develop.
Invariably kulasekera would strike with the newer one. Used to drive me mad.
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Lanka did a similar thing with light when Robin Singh scored a ton… drove me insane.
 
During the Kiwi series Jeremy Coney on Test Match Special made the point that the balls are now manufactured in Sialkot. Not sure why he had to say that
 
I expect a bottom-tier team to complain about this. A team like India should be comfortable with any ball.
 
sweep_shot said:
I expect a bottom-tier team to complain about this. A team like India should be comfortable with any ball.
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In that logic a team like England should be ok bowling with any ball? Are you arguing for the sake of it?
 
Kohli was unhappy when he was out and had a word with the umpire.

I wonder if it was to do with the ball changes.
 
JaDed said:
In that logic a team like England should be ok bowling with any ball? Are you arguing for the sake of it?
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Just calling out lame excuses.

If umpires decide a new ball is necessary, that's final. It is a gentlemen's game. Why make drama like Virat Kohli?
 
sweep_shot said:
Just calling out lame excuses.

If umpires decide a new ball is necessary, that's final. It is a gentlemen's game. Why make drama like Virat Kohli?
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Ok sir! Just fyi..

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/may/17/counties-receive-fresh-batch-after-dukes-balls-go-soft-cricket
 
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sweep_shot said:
Again, it is something umpires decide. You are not on the field to see ball's condition. Are you?

Aleem Dar and Richard Kettleborough. Two experienced umpires. They are not rookie umpires.
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Who is blaming the umpires, blaming the ball manufacturer..for subpar quality
 
sweep_shot said:
Again, it is something umpires decide. You are not on the field to see ball's condition. Are you?

Aleem Dar and Richard Kettleborough. Two experienced umpires. They are not rookie umpires.
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Wonder why they didn't do the same when India bowled lol
 
This is all on Duke and ECB. Duke for manufacturing a substandard product. The ECB accepting the substandard product.

Hopefully Duke can set things right and make a better product. It should be set right immediately. No next season. Should be done right after this test. No point in saying a bad batch was made so put up with it and use it until stock runs out.
 
sweep_shot said:
Just calling out lame excuses.

If umpires decide a new ball is necessary, that's final. It is a gentlemen's game. Why make drama like Virat Kohli?
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If ball is changed 4 times in 40 overs then its an issue and it has to be raised. This favours the bowling team, who are also the home team.
 
sweep_shot said:
Again, it is something umpires decide. You are not on the field to see ball's condition. Are you?

Aleem Dar and Richard Kettleborough. Two experienced umpires. They are not rookie umpires.
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It doesn't matter who the umpire is. Replacing 4 balls in 40 overs isn't acceptable.
 
Can anyone confirm if the replacement balls are from this season's batch or are they from previous seasons?

Because previous seasons balls apparently had bigger seam and were better. So that explains the movement.
 
Too many ball changes, which takes time out of the game and is frustrating for paying spectators. However there do seem to be manufacturing issues this year.
 
James said:
Too many ball changes, which takes time out of the game and is frustrating for paying spectators. However there do seem to be manufacturing issues this year.
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4 ball changes in 40 overs.
ball not doing anything and kohli was batting beautifully

watch the kohli dismissal. either the bowler has to be joel garner or the ball was brand new to get that kind of purchase . clearly change of bowls in test cricket favors bowling team. the umpires were really not following the spirit but the law. changing a ball every 10 overs can be decisive in this kind of a match . india clearly deserves to win but if a ball is changed and two more wickets fall, then clearly the game balance is not fair.
 
These guys still make snarky comments about Indian pitches whenever they get an opportunity as if Indian batsmen played on the easy-for-batting 2nd pitch next to it, while making the poor English bazballers suffer on the doctored one.

Their spectators and stewards don't know the basics of walking around while the bowler has started to run in. The terrible weather keeps breaking up the game. But all this is fun and part of the English experience apparently. Funny they don't think this way when they're touring India.

Australia have been nastier over the years, but there's a special pleasure I get seeing India beat England.
 
So England can't produce a batsman who averages over 50, a bowler who averages below 25, and can't even make a proper cricket ball. Go figure.
 
Every hosting nation wants to take some advantages in one way or in other ways...
If our board can change DRS technology (Ajmal vs Tendulkar) then these episodes are expected....
 
cricketjoshila said:
Once before the 80 overs were finished. Isnt it?

Or was it more?

Here its 4 times in 40 overs.
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I believe it was twice from memory, we didn't reach the 80 overs.

People also seem to be ignoring the possibility that the reason the ball wasn't swinging as much was potentially because it was out of shape. Regularly bowling with a misshapen ball (until it goes out of shape enough) that's preventing it swinging as much is hardly an advantage.
 
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Nikhil_cric said:
This cant keep happening. Every time the ball stops moving, Broad and co. complain and get it replaced and there is extra movement and lift ! I can understand it happening once in 80 overs but this cant be allowed again and again

What do Ppers think?
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Kiwis changed the ball three times in one innings a couple of matches ago. The balls are no good this year, going out of shape fast. Quality control fail at Duke’s I guess…
 
HitWicket said:
I believe it was twice from memory, we didn't reach the 80 overs.

People also seem to be ignoring the possibility that the reason the ball wasn't swinging as much was potentially because it was out of shape. Regularly bowling with a misshapen ball (until it goes out of shape enough) that's preventing it swinging as much is hardly an advantage.
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Ball goes out of shape 4 times in 40 overs. Another ball comes, may be from the set of old balls of last season which had wider seam and starts swinging. Not fair for the batsman. Is it?
 
Robert said:
Kiwis changed the ball three times in one innings a couple of matches ago. The balls are no good this year, going out of shape fast. Quality control fail at Duke’s I guess…
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Thats not India's fault.This cannot happen.
 
Robert said:
Kiwis changed the ball three times in one innings a couple of matches ago. The balls are no good this year, going out of shape fast. Quality control fail at Duke’s I guess…
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As long as you llow Indians to change 3 times every 40 overe turn yea its fine.
 
Moeey said:
As long as you llow Indians to change 3 times every 40 overe turn yea its fine.
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Nothing to do with me - if the Indians complain about the ball shape then the umpires will decide whether to change it.
 
Varun said:
So England can't produce a batsman who averages over 50, a bowler who averages below 25, and can't even make a proper cricket ball. Go figure.
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Anderson has 650+ test wickets. Any other country have that?
 
Moeey said:
As long as you llow Indians to change 3 times every 40 overe turn yea its fine.
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That a a very poor statement. It's nothing to do with the England team, if India has issues with the ball when in the field then complain to the umps!
 
Manunited18 said:
Anderson has 650+ test wickets. Any other country have that?
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Why can't he average below 25 despite playing half his tests in England. The rest of the world has produced McGrath, Steyn, etc. during his era.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Ball goes out of shape 4 times in 40 overs. Another ball comes, may be from the set of old balls of last season which had wider seam and starts swinging. Not fair for the batsman. Is it?
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Have you got anything that suggests the used balls include last season's batch? You're arguing that a completely hypothetical and unlikely situation is unfair.
 
Varun said:
Why can't he average below 25 despite playing half his tests in England. The rest of the world has produced McGrath, Steyn, etc. during his era.
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Your clutching at straws now. 650 wickets @ 26 are fantastic stats.
 
Manunited18 said:
Your clutching at straws now. 650 wickets @ 26 are fantastic stats.
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Avg in Aus = 34.01
Avg in Ind = 29.32
Avg in NZ = 32.80
Avg in SA = 34.61
Avg in SL = 33.27

That's his "SENA" and he has flopped bigtime.
 
[MENTION=132715]Varun[/MENTION] is just trotting out his usual off topic broken record statements about English players to try and get a reaction, best to ignore.
 
Varun said:
Avg in Aus = 34.01
Avg in Ind = 29.32
Avg in NZ = 32.80
Avg in SA = 34.61
Avg in SL = 33.27

That's his "SENA" and he has flopped bigtime.
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Yuck, that is bad, if correct.

Anderson is no doubt, a great swing bowler. But is he a great bowler. That doesn't suggest so. If Axar Patel played as many test matches in India as Jimmy, he might also get 400+ wickets at home.

James Anderson. The Axar Patel of England. Sounds nice :)
 
Ball change (from India this time) brings the wicket again.
 
U$ofA said:
This is all on Duke and ECB. Duke for manufacturing a substandard product. The ECB accepting the substandard product.

Hopefully Duke can set things right and make a better product. It should be set right immediately. No next season. Should be done right after this test. No point in saying a bad batch was made so put up with it and use it until stock runs out.
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Read above
 
I don't think there is malice to this. This batch of duke balls have been a problem and it's been a known issue with sky commentators also saying Dukes is working on it.

It is abysmal, yes, for a international quality ball to lose it's shape in 15-20 overs. And yes replacement of balls has been a lottery with some swinging a lot. But umpires are the ones selecting the replacement ball and umpires are the ones taking a call the ball needs replacement in the first place, so to try and find some kind of malice behind it is just clutching at straws.
 
2 wickets after the ball change for India. Lol
 
Seems like Bazball only works until the pathetic quality of balls and pitches aid the English batters.
 
Robert said:
Test cricket does work like that. If the ball goes out of shape then the bowling side can ask for a replacement.
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Yes , but if it’s out of shape this early then there is an issue.. but again I have been watching since only 1990’s so I don’t know if it was this often changed before.
 
cricketjoshila said:
How many times have the ball been changed today for India?

Once. Immediately wickets fell.
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Think it might have been related but there was a shot of Dravid chatting with David Boon and not looking too happy. This was soon after Aleem Dar had rejected Indian complaints (before the ball change). To be fair to Aleem, the ball seemed to be slipping quite easily through that thing.
 
Nothing to do with the balls. Today England have completely bossed a day they had to have any chance of winning, now that their in a very good position, please rather than these petty issues of ball change why not credit England for their sublime effort with both bat and ball today
 
Manunited18 said:
Nothing to do with the balls. Today England have completely bossed a day they had to have any chance of winning, now that their in a very good position, please rather than these petty issues of ball change why not credit England for their sublime effort with both bat and ball today
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TBF this thread was opened yesterday when India was in a strong position
 
James said:
[MENTION=132715]Varun[/MENTION] is just trotting out his usual off topic broken record statements about English players to try and get a reaction, best to ignore.
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Because English players usually struggle outside england.
 
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