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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">As per the rules:<br><br>If the ball reaches the boundary due to an overthrow (even unintentionally off the bat) then the 4 runs for the boundary is added to the runs completed before the overthrow, which can lead to a batsman scoring six runs or more off 1 ball <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CWC19Final?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#CWC19Final</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ENgvNZ?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ENgvNZ</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1150470132029906944?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 14, 2019</a></blockquote>
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New Zealand got robbed by ICC. The overthrow rule and the tie rule in super over both are garbage lol
 
big_gamer007 said:
New Zealand got robbed by ICC. The overthrow rule and the tie rule in super over both are garbage lol
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If it hits the batsmen or the bat it should have just stayed as 2 runs. I agree its a dumb rule. But if it hadn't made contact than its OK.

But overthrows should never be docked against the bowler. Its a fielding error like leg byes.
 
Anyone with half a brain could tell you this was a stupid law.

Overthrows when it hits batsmen should be cancelled.

That's basic common sense.

BUT....this is ICC.

The dumbest organization ever.

Robbed NZ of a WC.

Congrats to England. Can't fault them.
 
First overthrow rule and then boundary rule..... every law in the book designed to make England win
 
Imagine being a real NZ fan and watching this.

Pathetic.

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Not only this, but the more boundaries hit as a tie breaker is also dumb.
 
Common sense would tell you that an overthrow from hitting the batsman bat should not count. But you can’t blame England any team would take them runs, New Zealand got robbed.
 
Really feel for NZ players, Williamson and their fans. Cant imagine what they will be going through
 
Red Devil said:
Not only this, but the more boundaries hit as a tie breaker is also dumb.
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Haha yeah man.

It just keeps coming.

What would common sense suggest if a team is tied and super over is tied?

That BOTH life the WC.

But ICC wants only one winner so brings in some lame technicality.

Then there's umpire's call.

One of the dumbest rules known to mankind where team could lose reviews too (atleast not that was scrapped).
 
Red Devil said:
Not only this, but the more boundaries hit as a tie breaker is also dumb.
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Yeah. That’s what annoys me. The overthrow rule has been in the game for years but deciding the World Cup based on how many boundaries have been hit makes no sense
 
Yes, the kiwis lost off technicalities but the rules were already laid down in the rulebook. People need to accept it, they're only complaining cause they lost.
 
The boundary countback rule...

England have won the World Cup final, despite the fact that NZ made the same number of runs as them in both the 50 overs, and also the Super Over. And NZ lost fewer wickets.

England have won by virtue of hitting more boundaries than NZ in 50 overs. Should this really be the determining factor?

More boundaries hit also means you’ve faced more dot balls in a tied game. Should this be rewarded?
 
The unluckiest day for Kiwis..

Boult, the unluckiest man in this planet, he must be feeling the heat..

How cruel the game can be for NZ..????
 
very harsh on NZ, I know it's in the rules but leaves a bad taste
 
Those 4 runs should not have been allowed. Extremely unfair to NZ, completly shifted Match to England
 
Feels really sad for nz they were more deserving today but pak were more deserving for semis rather nz that stupid NRR rule put Pakistan out
 
Disgusting rules and completely illogical.
Imagine being a Kiwi fan right now.
 
Pathetic ruling. Most bouandires decides who wins the WC now. Should have been fewer wickets on a super over tie.
 
Not a dumb rule. People woulf try to throw and hit the batsmen on purpose to save runs
 
Hats off to new Zealand sportsman ship.

I mean really, if it was Indian team, captain kohli would have eaten umpires there, if that overthrow deflected by strokes bat were given as 6 runs.
 
You have to feel for Kiwis, first when Boult took catch but touched the rope and then these overthrow runs. Damn.
 
It was all scripted. At 86/4 we all knew in bus who's going to win a "close encounter". Its not a coincidence of having super over in final. 1999 semi final, Australia won the same game that England was pretending to "draw".
 
England fought valiantly but there is no way they deserved to win this. ICCs obsession to T20ize everything has never been more evident. First separating two teams by a super over and then by the number of boundaries in the final of the WC is pretty ridiculous. And all that after those 4 overthrows.
 
News Flash: New Zealand hasn't lost and they are the real champions of WC2019. I'll never recognize this English team as the world champion. Hell they could'nt even win in the super over. Absolutely pathetic
 
Major said:
Not a dumb rule. People woulf try to throw and hit the batsmen on purpose to save runs
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Deliberate hitting would result in fines, bans and ridicule. Even a case.

While we are at it, why don't players gang up and beat the set batsmen and injure him to win the game. lol.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">New Zealand must be feeling as if fate was against them today:<br><br>4 additional runs from the overthrow when the ball hit Stokes bat<br>Lost due to hitting less boundaries<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CWC19Final?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#CWC19Final</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1150476923371491331?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 14, 2019</a></blockquote>
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"New Zealand was robbed", I'd say that if I was Ian Botham.

Guy has been made to look like a joke multiple times.
 
If I were NZ cricket I would file a petition with ICC before the sun rises tomorrow to get rid of these pathetic rules.
 
NZ are the real champions today.

Don’t let anyone else tell you that they were not or England deserved to win.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Deliberate hitting would result in fines, bans and ridicule. Even a case.

While we are at it, why don't players gang up and beat the set batsmen and injure him to win the game. lol.
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It is not possible to differentiate between a deliberate throw on the batsman and an unitentional one.
 
Duckworth Lewis said:
It is not possible to differentiate between a deliberate throw on the batsman and an unitentional one.
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So when it hits batsman and does not go to boundary why do batsmen not run in 110% of the cases? But it hit batsman and went to boundary and runs are awarded to batting side.



All batsmen should just wait for the throw to come in and smash it to the boundary and say oops deflection
 
Duckworth Lewis said:
It is not possible to differentiate between a deliberate throw on the batsman and an unitentional one.
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Why not? Its not difficult at all. What is Referee there for? He should be given this task so that he works for his bread for once.
 
Rules weren't made for England, they just happened to benefit England, its just the way things happen. Tough on NZ
 
This hurts, everything went against NZ today. I guess it's a bit ironic though, they were super lucky to get here, but luck left them when it really mattered.
 
Duckworth Lewis said:
It is not possible to differentiate between a deliberate throw on the batsman and an unitentional one.
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If you have common sense, you can I believe.

Just like ICC won't charge batsmen for colliding into a fielder but will fine them if they do it deliberately.
 
Space Cat said:
It was a very cruel twist of fate.
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You were the better team who played better cricket overall today. Just that luck wasnt on your side. For any neutral fan, you are the true winners. England won the world cup, but NZ won the final.
 
hussain.r97 said:
This hurts, everything went against NZ today. I guess it's a bit ironic though, they were super lucky to get here, but luck left them when it really mattered.
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England was destined to win.

They worked the hardest for this WC so in a way, they got what they wanted.

NZ should have won this.

But fate played a cruel joke on them.
 
England had beaten NZ on H2H so England deserve the win. Secondly, NZ reached the semis on the technical grounds too. I don't think NZ and their supporters should be complaining about the rules.

However, I do believe that some rules must be changed such as overthrow runs when it hits the batsman or the wicket. It should be called dead ball then.
 
This overthrow rule is incredibly stupid. If ball hits batsman and goes to boundary, it shouldn't count!

ICC should change this law.
 
lol rules are rules.
If the same happened with pak in the match people here would have defended it by classifying as god's gift.
It was pure luck for England which unfortunately NZ run out it in the final.
 
I’ve never witnessed 6 runs coming from a deflection like that - so cruel on NZ. But anyone could have been at the receiving end of this. The chance of something like that happening is one in a million.
 
MenInG said:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">As per the rules:<br><br>If the ball reaches the boundary due to an overthrow (even unintentionally off the bat) then the 4 runs for the boundary is added to the runs completed before the overthrow, which can lead to a batsman scoring six runs or more off 1 ball <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CWC19Final?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#CWC19Final</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ENgvNZ?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ENgvNZ</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1150470132029906944?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 14, 2019</a></blockquote>
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The 2nd run wasn't completed so it should have been 5 runs?
 
Was too cruel. England didn't hit a single extra run in the whole match than New Zealdnd and they lost more wickets yet they are champions.....
 
On top of my head, I remember one occasion.

1996 Ind vs Pakistan quarter final

One throw hit Siddhu's bat and went to long on.

Other batsman (I think Tendulkar or Manjrekar) wanted to take one more run.

Siddhu stopped him gesturing with his hand and bat.

Approximate commentary dialog (can't remember verbatim after this 23 years)

Ravi Shastri - "In such an important game, you take every run that comes your way."

Other commentator- "Spirit of the game blah blah."

Shastri - "Its India vs Pakistan. Everything goes. Other cricketers would have taken that run."

Other commentator- "Can you name the cricketers who would have taken that run?"

Shastri - "I'll show you one. I would have taken that run."


While this was unfortunate for NZ, I still feel Shastri, for all his faults was right that day.

Same way Wasim was right in not recalling Sachin after that unfortunate run out in Kolkata test.
 
Whose to say Morgan didn't have it in the back of his mind when running back for the second.
 
In the case of a ball hitting the bat or any part of the body when running between the wickets that leads to a boundary, the ball should automatically be called dead and the runs which they ran should only count.

Absolutely ridiculous by the ICC however it takes something like this to occur in the biggest stage of them all to alter the rule.

Next stage should be to make the super over more fairer for both teams. I mean how can a team that is level on runs even after the super over still win 🤔🤔🤔🤔
 
Rules were made from beforehand not to favour england.
Just like if the ball hits the helmet which is on the ground, a team is awarded 5 penalty runs? Its an obstruction. In this case the obstruction was the bat.
Now this was never pre-planned or nobody knew this was going to happen.

Its rules that ICC have made so they must have looked at all possibilities and outcomes. We can;t argue with them just like we can't argue with the 5 penalty runs added too. Or the DRS but umpires call which is wierd.
 
Are people that new to cricket that this rule needs explaining? Anytime fielder hits the batsman and ball gets deflected, they even run for runs. Aamir Sohail, 96 QF v/s India, though that is considered poor sportsmanship. This rule is not a new rule. Stop complaining about it.
 
People are complaining about rules that teams are already aware of. Nobody robbed anybody. Here is why I think we have these rules. I could be wrong, please feel free to correct me

1) Boundary rule: Cricket is entertainment. Crowd likes 4s and 6s. The team that scores a lot of them will be rewarded.
2) overthrow rule: There is a chance that Fielding teams might try to injure the batsman on purpose by hitting him. This rule will penalize that. This rule has been there for ages.

Now stop complaining about rules that every team is already aware of. It's a bummer a team has to lose after coming this close. However, rules are the same for every team
 
I didn’t knew about this rule till today. I always thought a deflection either from batsman’s bat or body doesn’t count.
 
nads_rocks said:
Rules were made from beforehand not to favour england.
Just like if the ball hits the helmet which is on the ground, a team is awarded 5 penalty runs? Its an obstruction. In this case the obstruction was the bat.
Now this was never pre-planned or nobody knew this was going to happen.

Its rules that ICC have made so they must have looked at all possibilities and outcomes. We can;t argue with them just like we can't argue with the 5 penalty runs added too. Or the DRS but umpires call which is wierd.
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True . The rules were made before hand and not discussed just before the game and it was luck that Eng got the benefit of the rules ( both the overthrow as well as the match being tied at the 50th over as well as the Super over ) . The same rules would have applied had any other 2 teams met the same fate . So let us stop blaming the rules for Eng victory . Rules can be changed no doubt and let all the Experts debate on that after seeing this WC final but till then whether we like it or not Eng was lucky to be the winner and we must not blame them for having the luck in their favor as the rules were written much before and not just during the match and both teams were aware of the rules before .
This victory proves the importance of the following -
1) Importance of every run( while batting , fielding or bowling )
2) Importance of Boundaries ( Matters in super overs )
3)Importance of overthrows
Eng was lucky in point 2,3 and we cannot blame them . Yes I feel for NZ but they must understand the pain other teams went through when they fought against them and lost in the last over or last ball ( eg. India , WI in this WC ) .
Anyway Congrats to all the teams who played in this WC2019 .I am open to reforms in the rules of ICC after seeing what happened in the finals but till then we must accept ENG won by the exiting rules and must not abuse them for the same .
 
Kiwis robbed in YET another way. Wow this is really more ugly than we thought.
 
If it’s a genuine breach of the already farcical law then it’s pretty shocking
 
Wow this has turned out to be an absolute farce for the ICC :)))

Poor Kiwis :(
 
I want an apology from the ICC.

No team or its fans deserves to have what happened to us yesterday.

This Final is going to haunt us for the next half a century, future kiwi cricketers will have to live with it and have the pressure of righting the wrong of 2019.
 
Boi said:
Wow this has turned out to be an absolute farce for the ICC :)))

Poor Kiwis :(
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Dude I feel dead inside, I can only imagine how the team is feeling.

To play a great game and then lose like that, how do you even recover from it. They're going to need psychologists to come back.

First team ever to not lose the Final and still not win the WC.
 
Aman said:
Dude I feel dead inside, I can only imagine how the team is feeling.

To play a great game and then lose like that, how do you even recover from it. They're going to need psychologists to come back.

First team ever to not lose the Final and still not win the WC.
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I feel for you bro. This is injustice of the highest order.
 
MenInG said:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">As per the rules:<br><br>If the ball reaches the boundary due to an overthrow (even unintentionally off the bat) then the 4 runs for the boundary is added to the runs completed before the overthrow, which can lead to a batsman scoring six runs or more off 1 ball <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CWC19Final?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#CWC19Final</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ENgvNZ?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ENgvNZ</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1150470132029906944?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 14, 2019</a></blockquote>
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So the second run was not completed when the ball hit stoke's bat, so should england have been awarded 5 runs instead of 6?
 
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