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Pakpak

Pakpak

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Can't say it ended up all bad even though we could have accelerated earlier.
 
Nice to see the acceleration towards the end

Well done Babar and Imad
 
Was a good finish to the innings, from pretty early in the innings I was hoping for 270 as I thought that would be enough to win, so 282 thanks to the last 7 overs is a great return.
 
Babar hits them really well when he tries to. Expecting babar to break every pakistani batting record.
 
we were saved safe because Holder's stupid captaincy

there are obvious problems and we shoulndt ignore them
 
We were 198/5 (43) I thought we would barely make it to 250 at the time. But my word, did Imad and Babar put on a exhibition!

Great to see two youngsters finish off the innings the way they did.
 
Goes on to show that the wicket is good for batting , pakistans batting was poor in the first 43 overs especially babar and hafeez.
 
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]. What's your excuse for today? Fluke, rubbish bowling, meaningless match?

Had Hafeez, Kamran and Malik recorded golden ducks instead of scratching themselves to pathetic, little starts, Pakistan would have got around 320 today. Imad's doing well with the bat again, hope he comes good with the ball too.
 
A poor batting display. Last 7 overs don't override the selfishness that we witnessed today. Hope it doesn't happen again.
 
A better team would show the mockery of our batting approach. But since it's the West Indies, let's party like it's 1997.
 
Pete Rose said:
A better team would show the mockery of our batting approach. But since it's the West Indies, let's party like it's 1997.
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No one's partying. Babar and Imad batted very well and they deserve to be appreciated.
 
Bilal7 said:
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]. What's your excuse for today? Fluke, rubbish bowling, meaningless match?

Had Hafeez, Kamran and Malik recorded golden ducks instead of scratching themselves to pathetic, little starts, Pakistan would have got around 320 today. Imad's doing well with the bat again, hope he comes good with the ball too.
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Malik averages in the 60's ever since his comeback with a good SR. Stop the hate for him. He got a good ball today.
 
Bilal7 said:
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]. What's your excuse for today? Fluke, rubbish bowling, meaningless match?

Had Hafeez, Kamran and Malik recorded golden ducks instead of scratching themselves to pathetic, little starts, Pakistan would have got around 320 today. Imad's doing well with the bat again, hope he comes good with the ball too.
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Two things: you either don't understand ODI batting, or you didn't watch the match. If it's the former, I don't have the energy to explain what ODI batting is, and if it's the latter, I don't have the energy to explain how much long-term damage playing for personal milestones does.

If you didn't watch the match, Babar took 123 deliveries to finally start playing for the team. Yes he is not a power hitter and he cannot bat like this from the first ball, but he can certainly bat like this after 60-70 deliveries, but that would mean potentially risking a hundred. It was the type of innings we have come to see from folks like Shehzad and Hafeez, and I don't want Babar to bat like this in the long run. He is better than this. Pretending everything is okay never helps. Not for me.
 
Bilal7 said:
No one's partying. Babar and Imad batted very well and they deserve to be appreciated.
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imad yes. babar no, but good enough against west indies.
nonetheless, I am happy that this total is build by the guys who will take the team forward. not the mid 30 averaging seniors.
 
Pete Rose said:
A better team would show the mockery of our batting approach. But since it's the West Indies, let's party like it's 1997.
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These pitches are 320 +. England whooped them here. The scoring guide for us vs rest is:

Top teams 320 us 280
Top teams 270 us 240

This should have been atleast 310+
 
Mamoon said:
Two things: you either don't understand ODI batting, or you didn't watch the match. If it's the former, I don't have the energy to explain what ODI batting is, and if it's the latter, I don't have the energy to explain how much long-term damage playing for personal milestones does.

If you didn't watch the match, Babar took 123 deliveries to finally start playing for the team. Yes he is not a power hitter and he cannot bat like this from the first ball, but he can certainly bat like this after 60-70 deliveries, but that would mean potentially risking a hundred. It was the type of innings we have come to see from folks like Shehzad and Hafeez, and I don't want Babar to bat like this in the long run. He is better than this. Pretending everything is okay never helps. Not for me.
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Babar has shown in T20s he can bat a run a ball, I was surprised he batted slow. Though saying that he's still a wonderful talent, hope he makes use of it.
 
Syed1 said:
He can hit, he just chose to put his personal milestone above the need of the team.
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How much did he slow down. When he was on 97 I noticed he had hit 20 off 15 in the last 5 overs...thats not really selfish batting. Pakistan may have got a winning total thanks to Babar's knock.
 
Shutdown Corner said:
How much did he slow down. When he was on 97 I noticed he had hit 20 off 15 in the last 5 overs...thats not really selfish batting. Pakistan may have got a winning total thanks to Babar's knock.
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At one point he was 90 odd off 120+
 
Pete Rose said:
imad yes. babar no, but good enough against west indies.
nonetheless, I am happy that this total is build by the guys who will take the team forward. not the mid 30 averaging seniors.
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Mamoon said:
Two things: you either don't understand ODI batting, or you didn't watch the match. If it's the former, I don't have the energy to explain what ODI batting is, and if it's the latter, I don't have the energy to explain how much long-term damage playing for personal milestones does.

If you didn't watch the match, Babar took 123 deliveries to finally start playing for the team. Yes he is not a power hitter and he cannot bat like this from the first ball, but he can certainly bat like this after 60-70 deliveries, but that would mean potentially risking a hundred. It was the type of innings we have come to see from folks like Shehzad and Hafeez, and I don't want Babar to bat like this in the long run. He is better than this. Pretending everything is okay never helps. Not for me.
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I didn't watch this match but I was following it on cricinfo and yes, Babar got to his 50 at a SR of 79 but he still scored a century by accelerating towards the end. There was nothing selfish about what Babar did today. Pakistan were 5 down for not many and had Babar gotten out in an effort to up the rate by playing risky strokes at that stage, you would have labelled his irresponsible.

However, like I said in the other thread, there is no stopping your wailing once a player gets universal acclaim. Babar will never be good enough for you, which itself is strange since you're the same person crying about the death of Pakistan cricket.

Save your energy, you'll need it to downplay Babar's achievements and something tells me there will be a truckload of those over the next decade.
 
Great batting by the pair. Baber is so classy. Played a gem of an innings.
 
Pakpak said:
These pitches are 320 +. England whooped them here. The scoring guide for us vs rest is:

Top teams 320 us 280
Top teams 270 us 240

This should have been atleast 310+
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England made 296/6 and 328 when they batted first twice so the difference really isn't that huge and none of the matches was at Guyana.

The pitch wasn't that easy to score off today, the commentators mentioned that several times during the first innings. The ball was gripping and it seemed a bit two-paced at times.
 
Abdullah719 said:
England made 296/6 and 328 when they batted first twice so the difference really isn't that huge and none of the matches was at Guyana.

The pitch wasn't that easy to score off today, the commentators mentioned that several times during the first innings. The ball was gripping and it seemed a bit two-paced at times.
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Watching how Windies are playing, you're right.
 
Pakpak said:
These pitches are 320 +. England whooped them here. The scoring guide for us vs rest is:

Top teams 320 us 280
Top teams 270 us 240

This should have been atleast 310+
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So why aren't WI scoring as much as you claim we should have scored?
 
Well played by Babar today. Still nerds to work on accelerating but it's clear he's our best LO batter.

He's here to stay. People are over analyzing his game too much. Should remain at number 3 in all formats.
 
Hasan123 said:
Well played by Babar today. Still nerds to work on accelerating but it's clear he's our best LO batter.

He's here to stay. People are over analyzing his game too much. Should remain at number 3 in all formats.
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nah should open in t20s
 
Poor batting show except Babar, who is our best bat.

Bad day at the office for [MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION] and the likes.
 
Hawkeye said:
Poor batting show except Babar, who is our best bat.

Bad day at the office for [MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION] and the likes.
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Why would it be a bad day for me when Pakistan won?

I'm sorry I'm not like you that keeps personal performance over team performance.
 
Bilal7 said:
I didn't watch this match but I was following it on cricinfo and yes, Babar got to his 50 at a SR of 79 but he still scored a century by accelerating towards the end. There was nothing selfish about what Babar did today. Pakistan were 5 down for not many and had Babar gotten out in an effort to up the rate by playing risky strokes at that stage, you would have labelled his irresponsible.

However, like I said in the other thread, there is no stopping your wailing once a player gets universal acclaim. Babar will never be good enough for you, which itself is strange since you're the same person crying about the death of Pakistan cricket.

Save your energy, you'll need it to downplay Babar's achievements and something tells me there will be a truckload of those over the next decade.
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He was 76 (100) and got his 100 in 123 deliveries. As soon as he got to his hundred, he decided to hit a few big shots and scored 25 in the next 9 balls. I know that he does not have the game to consistently bat at that rate, but the fact that he waited for his 100 before he could show an intent to play big shots clearly suggests that he was playing for his hundred.

At this stage of his career, he can be given leeway for it because a) he is young b) he probably feels that he needs this personal milestones to solidify his position and status in the team. However, this attitude will not work in the long run and is something that needs to be curbed now. He doesn't have good role models in the team, but he can look up to Inzamam - one of the most unselfish batsman Pakistan has produced. This approach will work against teams like WI but there is no room for selfish cricket when you are playing the big boys.

Unlike you, I am not chronically deluded and I don't live in a parallel universe, where everything is perfect and there is nothing wrong with anything. Babar is already good enough for me but he needs an improved mindset. It should come with time but like I said, it is something that needs to be addressed now.
 
Moiza said:
So why aren't WI scoring as much as you claim we should have scored?
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Performance of West Indies means nothing. They are worse than Pakistan, and that is no mean feat. Fact remains that in both matches, our approach to batting was poor and we will not get away with it against the quality teams. We have lost 12 of the last 15 ODIs against England and Australia, and that embarrassing track-record will not be changed with tactics like these.
 
Ahson8 said:
Also is selfish. Don't forget that.
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It is too early to call him a selfish player, but today he played a selfish innings. He showed no intent at all until he got to his 100, and this is something that should not be allowed to happen in the long run. He need to accelerate 4-5 overs earlier than he did, which would have helped us get to 300. Again, winning the match is irrelevant in the context; we are playing WI. However, this approach will not go unpunished against the big teams.
 
Mamoon said:
Performance of West Indies means nothing. They are worse than Pakistan, and that is no mean feat. Fact remains that in both matches, our approach to batting was poor and we will not get away with it against the quality teams. We have lost 12 of the last 15 ODIs against England and Australia, and that embarrassing track-record will not be changed with tactics like these.
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and when you have bowlers like Amir,Wahab,Junaid in your line up you should not be satisfied with anything less than 350.
 
Mamoon said:
It is too early to call him a selfish player, but today he played a selfish innings. He showed no intent at all until he got to his 100, and this is something that should not be allowed to happen in the long run. He need to accelerate 4-5 overs earlier than he did, which would have helped us get to 300. Again, winning the match is irrelevant in the context; we are playing WI. However, this approach will not go unpunished against the big teams.
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[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] Had he launched 5 overs earlier. He may had a chance to get to 150+ , It's high risk and high return and Babar needs to understand.
 
Hamza_ said:
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] Had he launched 5 overs earlier. He may had a chance to get to 150+ , It's high risk and high return and Babar needs to understand.
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True.
 
Mamoon said:
It is too early to call him a selfish player, but today he played a selfish innings. He showed no intent at all until he got to his 100, and this is something that should not be allowed to happen in the long run. He need to accelerate 4-5 overs earlier than he did, which would have helped us get to 300. Again, winning the match is irrelevant in the context; we are playing WI. However, this approach will not go unpunished against the big teams.
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If he accelerates at the start of the 40th over (where he's on 76 off 102) with a fresh Imad at the other end and the score being 188/5, Pakistan risk being bowled out for <250 in a must-win game.

It's a fine line and I agree that he could've accelerated a little earlier.

It's a great sign for Babar that these are the biggest flaws we can find with him despite his age and lack of experience. He is doing a job.
 
Abdullah719 said:
If he accelerates at the start of the 40th over (where he's on 76 off 102) with a fresh Imad at the other end and the score being 188/5, Pakistan risk being bowled out for <250 in a must-win game.

It's a fine line and I agree that he could've accelerated a little earlier.

It's a great sign for Babar that these are the biggest flaws we can find with him despite his age and lack of experience. He is doing a job.
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Indeed.
 
Truthfully Babar didn't have the stamina earlier to bat 50 overs. In his earlier hundreds he seemed spent and unable to accelerate at the end. He seems better now. But I don't know how much this has to do with him actually improving his stamina or its just because he is coming in at 4 so batting fewer overs.

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Couch Cricketer said:
Truthfully Babar didn't have the stamina earlier to bat 50 overs. In his earlier hundreds he seemed spent and unable to accelerate at the end. He seems better now. But I don't know how much this has to do with him actually improving his stamina or its just because he is coming in at 4 so batting fewer overs.

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He batted at #3, came to bat in the 5th over.
 
I actually thought Babar played one exceptional innings. Looking at the wicket, the amount of swing WI pacers got with new ball, the amount of turn the spinners got, I would have taken 256 & 100 (125) from him as a fantastic effort, because last year I saw AUS & SAF batsmen playing in WI on similar wickets.

It's looking selfish not only because he stratead accelerating after hundred, but also because he did exceptionally well in last 3 overs. I mean, after reaching 100, had he got out & Imad as well, PAK would have finished at 260/8 & most would have said a fantastic, responsible innings. Or even 111* (130) in 270/7, it would have looked better. Here the young man is taken to task for extraordinary batting, considering that he came st 16/1 & PAK constantly lost wickets - before that 99* partnership, I think other pairs were 16, 30, 80, 20 & 55; and he stayed there at one end.

What I feel is, this kid doesn't know how good he is - not his fault either; for the standard treatment for young players in PAK team. That's why, I think, an 1 on 1 session on his capability, his role & expectation can help him better plan next time. PAK batsmen doesn't come with good head - such negative criticism might confuse him & he may get confused going forward - personally, I believe apart from over no 43 to 46, his innings & strategy was perfect for the script - he doesn't need to over do things.

Anyway, it's one of the best innings I have seen by PAK players in recent times - could have been bigger, but the hind side is had he got out for 75, targeting 300; PAK might have ended for 250 & it would have been a totally different ball game - those 3 early wickets of JK, Hasan & MoHa are the result of score board pressure - none was required chasing 250, instead of 283.
 
MMHS said:
I actually thought Babar played one exceptional innings. Looking at the wicket, the amount of swing WI pacers got with new ball, the amount of turn the spinners got, I would have taken 256 & 100 (125) from him as a fantastic effort, because last year I saw AUS & SAF batsmen playing in WI on similar wickets.

It's looking selfish not only because he stratead accelerating after hundred, but also because he did exceptionally well in last 3 overs. I mean, after reaching 100, had he got out & Imad as well, PAK would have finished at 260/8 & most would have said a fantastic, responsible innings. Or even 111* (130) in 270/7, it would have looked better. Here the young man is taken to task for extraordinary batting, considering that he came st 16/1 & PAK constantly lost wickets - before that 99* partnership, I think other pairs were 16, 30, 80, 20 & 55; and he stayed there at one end.

What I feel is, this kid doesn't know how good he is - not his fault either; for the standard treatment for young players in PAK team. That's why, I think, an 1 on 1 session on his capability, his role & expectation can help him better plan next time. PAK batsmen doesn't come with good head - such negative criticism might confuse him & he may get confused going forward - personally, I believe apart from over no 43 to 46, his innings & strategy was perfect for the script - he doesn't need to over do things.

Anyway, it's one of the best innings I have seen by PAK players in recent times - could have been bigger, but the hind side is had he got out for 75, targeting 300; PAK might have ended for 250 & it would have been a totally different ball game - those 3 early wickets of JK, Hasan & MoHa are the result of score board pressure - none was required chasing 250, instead of 283.
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Agreed. Real match-winning innings. He assessed the conditions and team situation incredibly well for a 22 year old. Great temperament. Not to mention the series on the line.
 
MMHS said:
I actually thought Babar played one exceptional innings. Looking at the wicket, the amount of swing WI pacers got with new ball, the amount of turn the spinners got, I would have taken 256 & 100 (125) from him as a fantastic effort, because last year I saw AUS & SAF batsmen playing in WI on similar wickets.

It's looking selfish not only because he stratead accelerating after hundred, but also because he did exceptionally well in last 3 overs. I mean, after reaching 100, had he got out & Imad as well, PAK would have finished at 260/8 & most would have said a fantastic, responsible innings. Or even 111* (130) in 270/7, it would have looked better. Here the young man is taken to task for extraordinary batting, considering that he came st 16/1 & PAK constantly lost wickets - before that 99* partnership, I think other pairs were 16, 30, 80, 20 & 55; and he stayed there at one end.

What I feel is, this kid doesn't know how good he is - not his fault either; for the standard treatment for young players in PAK team. That's why, I think, an 1 on 1 session on his capability, his role & expectation can help him better plan next time. PAK batsmen doesn't come with good head - such negative criticism might confuse him & he may get confused going forward - personally, I believe apart from over no 43 to 46, his innings & strategy was perfect for the script - he doesn't need to over do things.

Anyway, it's one of the best innings I have seen by PAK players in recent times - could have been bigger, but the hind side is had he got out for 75, targeting 300; PAK might have ended for 250 & it would have been a totally different ball game - those 3 early wickets of JK, Hasan & MoHa are the result of score board pressure - none was required chasing 250, instead of 283.
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Spot on. People will always complain but this was a brilliant knock if you look at the conditions and the situation of the match. Babar will go down as our greatest ever odi batsman
 
MMHS said:
I actually thought Babar played one exceptional innings. Looking at the wicket, the amount of swing WI pacers got with new ball, the amount of turn the spinners got, I would have taken 256 & 100 (125) from him as a fantastic effort, because last year I saw AUS & SAF batsmen playing in WI on similar wickets.

It's looking selfish not only because he stratead accelerating after hundred, but also because he did exceptionally well in last 3 overs. I mean, after reaching 100, had he got out & Imad as well, PAK would have finished at 260/8 & most would have said a fantastic, responsible innings. Or even 111* (130) in 270/7, it would have looked better. Here the young man is taken to task for extraordinary batting, considering that he came st 16/1 & PAK constantly lost wickets - before that 99* partnership, I think other pairs were 16, 30, 80, 20 & 55; and he stayed there at one end.

What I feel is, this kid doesn't know how good he is - not his fault either; for the standard treatment for young players in PAK team. That's why, I think, an 1 on 1 session on his capability, his role & expectation can help him better plan next time. PAK batsmen doesn't come with good head - such negative criticism might confuse him & he may get confused going forward - personally, I believe apart from over no 43 to 46, his innings & strategy was perfect for the script - he doesn't need to over do things.

Anyway, it's one of the best innings I have seen by PAK players in recent times - could have been bigger, but the hind side is had he got out for 75, targeting 300; PAK might have ended for 250 & it would have been a totally different ball game - those 3 early wickets of JK, Hasan & MoHa are the result of score board pressure - none was required chasing 250, instead of 283.
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well said..
 
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