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"A bit of a reality check for exactly where we are as a cricket team" : Mickey Arthur

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Mickey Arthur at a presser after Pakistan's massive 9 wicket loss to India:

"Our strike rates weren't good enough with the bat, we were put under pressure. With the ball, you need to strike early against these guys. If you do that, you've got a chance. We didn't take the chances presented to us and that was disappointing, when you let them get in on a wicket like this, they dominate you. We needed to get into the middle order as soon as we can"

"We've got to be realistic here, we were very well beaten by a very good Indian team. They didn't allow us to play. We've a team that's developing and that's what we've said all the while. Sarfaraz and Amir have 50 caps, Malik has 200 caps and besides that the boys are young and are developing"

"They'll gain strength and get better, these guys are very skilled, very good cricketers, they're suffering a bit of a confidence crisis at the moment. There's a bit of fear of failure in the dressing room, a bit of a reality check for exactly where we are as a cricket team. In terms of worst performance, 9 wickets, it's gotta be up there. But we're on a journey and we'll get better and stronger from this"

"There was inconsistency in the lines and lengths and that was disappointing, I think we went back to panic mode, once they got in we started searching for wickets and that won't work here. The way you get wickets here is to build pressure, we didn't stick to our plans which is to hit hard lengths and the top of off with the seamers and then hopefully put them under pressure in the middle overs"

"We went back to what I think is the best combination of the team with 5 bowlers, we've got to attack and look for wickets. It didn't happen today but we weren't patient enough. The plans weren't executed for long enough"

(Fakhar not reviewing) "Yeah, that's a problem, I think we're going to have LBW lesson classes before we start training on Tuesday"

"The Indian bowlers were outstanding. We had an optional session of training the other day and I sat there for 20 mins and saw Bumrah in the nets near us executing yorker after yorker and he put that into practice tonight. That's one thing in our review we'll be showing our young bowlers, his execution in the death overs was very good"

"Fielding is a confidence thing, in terms of the amount of work they've put in, it's second to none. They work everyday on their catching. The minute one goes down, it's like a disease, it just catches on. We are short of confidence in the field but it's going to take just one good thing to turn it around. We've got to trust the skills to come through in the end. I don't know why we're missing regulation catches. The only thing I can think of is pressure, the confidence levels are low"

"We look at Fakhar Zaman, he's an incredible player, he's an X factor player and the guy who we have at the top of the order to take the game on, he's doubting his game a little at the moment. We've just got to ride the wave with him and he'll come through a better player with this"

"Sarfaraz's captaincy is growing. I've had the privelege to work with two outstanding captains. Sarfaraz is the third captain I'm working with, he's a learning captain. But he's the only captain I've seen who has a balance on the field and off the field. Yes, Saifi and I sit after every game and debrief, we'll do that again tomorrow in terms of the tactics and where we went wrong. He will develop into a very good captain for Pakistan without a doubt"

"We've gotta win now, it's a semi-final up next. We've gotta find a way to dig ourselves out of a hole at the moment. I thought we were mature against Afghanistan who are very good in these conditions with their 3 spinners"

"I've heard people saying we should bowl first etc., we look at how we think we can best win the game. Our assessment of the wicket was that it'll get slower and slower. You also need to look at the opposition. We believe that if we can get runs then strike with the new ball, we can put them under pressure. We don't want to expose our middle order against their spinners in a run chase as the required rate will keep rising and the batsmen will get more and more under pressure. So we take all these things into consideration"

"I don't believe that at all (that India is miles ahead of Pakistan). I've got a massive belief in our players, I think they are going to get better, I don't think there is a massive gulf. They do have some very fine players and if we give them an inch, they will make us pay like they did tonight"

"The emphasis of fitness is not harming, it's helping our execution. Against Afghanistan the other night, we punched holes and kept running and running in the heat. Fitness levels don't win or lose you games, it gives you a better chance of performing. It's a way of life for the boys now, they're living it and they're stronger and fitter and hopefully better cricketers for it"
 
Agree with mickey, india is not miles better than us. There is no massive gulf. What we are missing is a class spinner in these conditions, and a pacer with raw speed. Looking at what we have, this is the best team that could have beens selected. If not these, than who else? We do not have warne, wasim, and sehwag waiting in the wings. Accept reality, young team. Only thing they are missing is experience. Rohit and dhawan have played more odis on their own than our entire batting order plus bowling order minus shoaib malik ocmbined. Give this team a long rope
 
Fear of failure. Those three words have crept right back into our system. This is what I was thinking of, and when the coach of the national team blurts this out in a press conference after a heavy defeat, you know things are going wrong behind the scenes. Pakistan won the CT because they had zero pressure on them, even when you include the final. I believe Pakistan would have struggled against Zimbabwe D aswell, if this fear or failure was present then. Why would you not continue with the same aggressive approach? You are losing matches even with this fear of failure, why not just go out there and express yourself? This is a major issue and needs to be addressed before the Bangladesh game.

Think the boys started believing in their own hype, just like us fans, and have now come crashing down in fear of not matching their expectations :facepalm:
 
He's always been good with his post match assessments.
 
First I thought the team management were reading PP and selecting players on that basis, largely for the game against Afghanistan.

Now I think the players have been reading PP and the constant critism is finally beginning to destroy their confidence.

Of course I don’t blame PP... it’s now the majority of arm chair critics who ruine it for everyone.
 
"A bit of a reality check for exactly where we are as a cricket team"

I am sure I have heard Mickey say something very similar to this before..
 
We all know that these guys are better players than they have shown throughout this tournament.

I wonder if they can bounce back.
 
We all know that these guys are better players than they have shown throughout this tournament.

I wonder if they can bounce back.

Well they'll have too. Otherwise, if they get to the final and lose to India x3, that'll be their most recent memory next time they play India. They need to somehow win the final, all hopes on fakhar.
 
Send out an SOS. We need a maestro who is blessed in all facets of the game :moha
 
Good comments from Mickey. Yeah, our team has there backs against the wall right now, which makes even more inspiring for them to bounce back in the next games or so. Pakistan need to respond properly and the management must come up with backup plans if the game is not going Pakistan's way.
 
Why do we always need a reality check? We must be the only team who needs one so consistently lol.
 
I would like to ask Mickey why he thinks Sarfraz is good enough to bat in the top 6 let alone at no 4?

Why aren't there more spinners in the squad as Pak has many to bring in?
 
I would like to ask Mickey why he thinks Sarfraz is good enough to bat in the top 6 let alone at no 4?

Why aren't there more spinners in the squad as Pak has many to bring in?

yes thats right we scored 236 today and 160 odd the other day because we dont have enough spinners in the team.
 
I feel like the young'uns need to get off social media for a bit, just to get the unnecessary distractions out of the way so they can focus, even if it does very little. Overall, the team's gotta find a way to play that fearless brand of cricket that they showcased in the CT.
 
I would like to ask Mickey why he thinks Sarfraz is good enough to bat in the top 6 let alone at no 4?

Why aren't there more spinners in the squad as Pak has many to bring in?

Sarfraz just doesn't look comfortable when he's batting, i feel expectant that he's going to get out any minute, playing many sweep shots and airborne shots with a lack of control. He does it often, in previous match v India, in another high profile match v Sri Lanka at CT was going to throw his wicket away (and thankfully was dropped). Sure he put in a better performance today, but when you're always throwing away good starts, then you're contributing to the team's failure.
 
yes thats right we scored 236 today and 160 odd the other day because we dont have enough spinners in the team.

Spinners bowl not bat. The bowling has been below par too. Instead of perssisting with Nawaz, Shadab lets bring in those who can rip the ball with a lot of turn. 25-30 overs of spin is the way to go on these decks.

Sarfraz just doesn't look comfortable when he's batting, i feel expectant that he's going to get out any minute, playing many sweep shots and airborne shots with a lack of control. He does it often, in previous match v India, in another high profile match v Sri Lanka at CT was going to throw his wicket away (and thankfully was dropped). Sure he put in a better performance today, but when you're always throwing away good starts, then you're contributing to the team's failure.

I hate to say it but I feel he promoted himself up the order so he could score some runs knowing he will not be forced to attack at this stage. It seemed selfish but Im sure he believes in himself to score big but not many others do any longer.
 
Spinners bowl not bat. The bowling has been below par too. Instead of perssisting with Nawaz, Shadab lets bring in those who can rip the ball with a lot of turn. 25-30 overs of spin is the way to go on these decks.
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Yes you are right if we had 4 spinners (insert names of whoever is outside team) we would have dismissed india for < 100
 
Pakistan's training and learning curve is very steep. Their ego won't allow them to acknowledge that there are issues mentally.

Pakistan's methods on and off the field need to get better as with just under 9 months left for the WC, at this rate they won't be getting anywhere than the first stage.
 
Pakistan's training and learning curve is very steep. Their ego won't allow them to acknowledge that there are issues mentally.

Pakistan's methods on and off the field need to get better as with just under 9 months left for the WC, at this rate they won't be getting anywhere than the first stage.
how do you know that these two points are true? or is this your opinion?
 
Spinners bowl not bat. The bowling has been below par too. Instead of perssisting with Nawaz, Shadab lets bring in those who can rip the ball with a lot of turn. 25-30 overs of spin is the way to go on these decks.



I hate to say it but I feel he promoted himself up the order so he could score some runs knowing he will not be forced to attack at this stage. It seemed selfish but Im sure he believes in himself to score big but not many others do any longer.

I'm glad he did come up the order, not because he is a good number 4 batsman, but because from that position he can contribute more to the team than he has been doing. The problem is our lower order starts too early, once asif Ali comes in you know it's all going to end pretty soon. This team feels like it's missing 2 proper middle order batsmen.
 
My plan to beat India in the final.
Win the toss and bat first
Following changes to the team that lost:
Junaid Khan in for Muhammad Nawaz
Faheem Ashraf in for Muhammad Amir

Give Bumrah and Chahal some more respect as they are the strike bowlers
Aim to score 300+
Keep good fielders in catching positions.

Boom-----we win !
 
Yes you are right if we had 4 spinners (insert names of whoever is outside team) we would have dismissed india for < 100

Relax its only a game. You dont deserve any further discussions with your childish responses.

I'm glad he did come up the order, not because he is a good number 4 batsman, but because from that position he can contribute more to the team than he has been doing. The problem is our lower order starts too early, once asif Ali comes in you know it's all going to end pretty soon. This team feels like it's missing 2 proper middle order batsmen.

Sure he scored some runs but you could see he was there to score runs because of his poor form but necessarily in the interest of the team unless he felt 250 would be a very good score. Or he has little or no confidence in the lower order, which then begs the question why he has selected such a team.

Asif Ali might improve but atm imo he is a T20 player and doesn't have the game to play out 15+ overs in this format. Totally agree we are very short on batsmen, those who can build and innings and then hit out like Malik can. Inzi, Mickey and Sarfraz need to accept this line up was wrong and make changes because if go into the World Cup with this batting line up we will not make it to the semis.
 
At least the Pak coach acknowledges Bumrah unlike the Pak posters.
 
The players are producing very poor results.

We are dropping easy catches, main batsmen running themselves out or not taking DRS.

I also feel we should not have dropped Faheem Ashraf for Nawaz. Faheem, as a medium pacer is needed in England World Cup which is only 8 months away. No other all rounder looks better at this stage than him. He has not proved himself but as a medium pacer who can bat a bit he is most suited to fill up all rounder's position. And if he is not good enough then we should find it now than during the World Cup.

I don't know why people can't realize that bits and pieces can't do the job regularly against quality oppositions. Hafeez was good when his bowling was good enough to bowl 10 overs. Malik is good when he can fulfill the role of a proper batsman.

As an all rounder you need to fulfill either role of a specialist bowler or a specialist batsmen what you offer on the side is a bonus and not justification for your selection.

Shadab's role is to bowl like a specialist spinner , if he can't do that then his 10-20 runs are futile. Similar is the case with Nawaz, who can neither bat nor bowl.

Less said about Sarfraz the better. I don't know why his batting has declined so much. When a captain is struggling it effects the whole team.

Asif Ali has been promoted to ODIs from T20s , way too soon.
 
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Spinners bowl not bat. The bowling has been below par too. Instead of perssisting with Nawaz, Shadab lets bring in those who can rip the ball with a lot of turn. 25-30 overs of spin is the way to go on these decks.

Shadab i believe is playing as a specialist spinner and Nawaz as an all rounder.

I don't know if we have a better spinner who could replace Shadab. That does not mean that Shadab is doing his job.

Although i feel Yasir Shah after playing in PSL should be ready to serve Pakistan in limited over cricket.
 
I have a feeling Mickey visits PP regularly🤔. Most of wht he said that “I heard...” And those topics are discussed here...

All in all very bad performance lets see how we bounce back.
 
My plan to beat India in the final.
Win the toss and bat first
Following changes to the team that lost:
Junaid Khan in for Muhammad Nawaz
Faheem Ashraf in for Muhammad Amir

Give Bumrah and Chahal some more respect as they are the strike bowlers
Aim to score 300+
Keep good fielders in catching positions.

Boom-----we win !

just get dhoni and rayudu and you will win -get them to bat 30 oers
dhoni will score 45 off 65 and rayudud will make 50 off 60 on a batting pitch -both want to be in world cup and will ensure 50s and screw india .
our middle order is a joke
 
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I guess we might see at least couple of changes for the next game.

Asif Ali at 6 is way too brittle at such a key position. Although i believe the game is mostly lost or won by top 4-5. Yet a number 6 should be capable of playing 20-30 overs in case of a early collapse. We need a proper batsman there. Maybe he should still not be dropped but he has a lot to prove.
 
So it shows how weak mentally our players are when they have nothing to lose they will perform
But when you tell them to play responsibly and you are expected to do this they will fail
Best example is Fakhar he looks out of sorts
 
His observations are spot on. There isn't a massive gulf between the teams. The only difference has been our openers. PAK lost the plot early. Get a good score and hit those hard lengths and be patient. Once you tie up the scoring and remove one of Dhawan/Rohit, you can rip through our fragile middle order with some attacking bowling. PAK simply didn't execute their plans well enough .
 
@Mickey Arthur Who is stopping you to give confidence to bowler go and bowled yorker. No fear of hitting four or six. Just go and do this.
Who is stopping you to implement all points you mentioned after every defeat.
Who is stopping you to ask sarfraz don't run towards bowler after every four or Six. Ask them to bowled wicket taking deliveries
I think Mickey Arthur is an equal failure as the rest of the team.
He should try to fulfill all kinds of requirements of cricket, he never asks selector to give him off-spinner, He never asks selector to give him wicket taking fast bowler.

He never plan that opposition best batsman will be bowled by which bowler , Even Pakistan used to take Viv Richard wicket using Mudasir Nazar. Where are these tactics now.
 
I feel like the young'uns need to get off social media for a bit, just to get the unnecessary distractions out of the way so they can focus, even if it does very little. Overall, the team's gotta find a way to play that fearless brand of cricket that they showcased in the CT.

This.
 
Will Pakistan Will Never Become World Beater's ???

Pakistans Blunder In Batting In Asia Cup Is Prove If Openers Or In Middle Order Make Same Mistakes Again Again They Will Never Beat Top 4 Sides If Partnership Is Buildin One Player Make Silly Mistakea Got Run Out , LBW On Bad Decisions Or Stumped Fakhar Zaman Make Two Time Against Mujeeb And Kuldeep Why He Have Not To Take His Decision And Other End Player To Ast To Not Take ?
After So Much Dot Ball Playing Why They Are So Greedy For 1 Run To Take
First Shoiab Malik Then Babar Azam
Why They Are Not Serious ?
 
I think a few obvious points can be gleaned from Mickey assessment.
1) “our bowlers are failing to build pressure” Ok so if at this stage in their careers amir and hasan can’t build pressure then why are they in the team? For hasan we can be lenient but for amir it’s unforgivable especially when junaid is a fantastic death bowler and not a bad new ball bowler.
2) “our batsmen are developing and learning to cope with pressure” Honestly, they are unable to rotate the strike. I think Shan is a fantastic LO player. Deserves a chance.
3) spinners. We don’t appear to have one that can bowl tight and create pressure. But we need a decent spinning pair.

I honestly think we’ve just got to make two changes and then tighten up our game. All is not lost.
 
I have been watching cricket sinve my teens and that pretty much covers almost 3 decades. You can all harp about tactics, bowling lines and lengths and fear etc. It infact all comes down to a spectacular catch, a confident stroke and a brilliant wicket which changes the complexion of not only that particular game but the whole tournament. I have seen that happen before and it will happen again. Its the game of confidence nothing more and nothing less.
 
Im concerned Mickey doesnt know how to deal with the UAE conditions..his tactics should be questioned here..but overall we have a dismal ODI record here in recent years..
 
Im concerned Mickey doesnt know how to deal with the UAE conditions..his tactics should be questioned here..but overall we have a dismal ODI record here in recent years..

Conditions are not the problem. If it was only about conditions then the NZ tour shouldn't have ended in a whitewash.
 
A bit of reality check is the fact that skills alone cannot beat experience. The way we have been handling our seniors is another debate. I do agree some of ours seniors would carry on playing till 50 but to win a major trophy, you need experienced heads. The only other senior in this team is shoaib malik. And provably this is where hafeez and azhar can make a difference too. It was a sin to drop hafeez in these conditions. Make what you have to say but hafeez knew his stuff was in the uae. He's a walking wicket in swinging conditions but you need a flat track bully for wickets like uae. He should have atleast been in the squad. Our other alternative is shan masood which goes onto say that we're deep trouble
 
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He has made major blunders when it has xome to squad selection in thr uae. Either he is too proud to listen to anyone else's advice or maybe he just doesnt understand these tracks at all. The think tank seems to be losing out on ideas
 
He is totally right and i have been saying it on PP for past couple of weeks whenever there was India Pak match thread that there top 2 have more than 350 matches between them and ours are yet to play 100 combined and that experience always gives edge to the team. Playing in difficult situation in international cricket sharpens the skills.

None of the players have even played 50 matches except malik, Sarfaraz and Amir as mickey said.

Expectations from this young but talented side should be limited. I wont be surprised if this team is sticked with that we go into top 3 ODI sides in couple of years.
 
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Bumrah is a rare talent i think now pikastanis and mickey realise that,amir is just an ordinary bowler

Amir was always over rated but you get the impression he doesn't really work on his bowling in the nets and look for developing ways and tricks to pick up wickets. His skillset has really degressed since 2015. I have never seen him reverse swing the ball, I don't really see sufficient Yorkers, the ball does not swing in and away from the right hander.

And on top of that you hear him complain about his workload to the team management, wanting to retire from test cricket, wanting to be played in selective matches and then you see him readily accept playing in an T-20 league he can get.
 
A bit of reality check is the fact that skills alone cannot beat experience. The way we have been handling our seniors is another debate. I do agree some of ours seniors would carry on playing till 50 but to win a major trophy, you need experienced heads. The only other senior in this team is shoaib malik. And provably this is where hafeez and azhar can make a difference too. It was a sin to drop hafeez in these conditions. Make what you have to say but hafeez knew his stuff was in the uae. He's a walking wicket in swinging conditions but you need a flat track bully for wickets like uae. He should have atleast been in the squad. Our other alternative is shan masood which goes onto say that we're deep trouble

I personally feel if the management wanted to discard Malik and Hafeez then the 2019 WC should have been the right swansong for both of them. I wonder how the junior players in the team feel seeing the coach humiliate Hafeez by keeping him in the squad but not playing him
 
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A team shouldn't require a reality check every now and then.... They are supposed to be a top professional team with a rich legacy. NOT a bunch of club players who don't know where they stand.
 
Honest assessment but why isn't anyone asking him about the lack of spinners in the squad?

And by that I don't mean Imad and Hafeez.

I mean Zafar, Asghar, Bilal, Irfan etc- you know, people who actually turn the ball?
 
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