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A strategy for Pakistan's Pink Ball First Test at Brisbane

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I have previously posted a couple of threads in which I showcased the trends in Pink Ball Day/Night cricket in Australia.

This thread summarises that information and starts a discussion about how Pakistan can take advantage of those trends.

1) The basic parameters of Day/Night Pink Ball cricket in Australia
- the pitch is left greener than usual and the outfield is left very lush to protect the Pink Ball.
- this means that there is never, ever any Reverse Swing or Spin.
- wickets tumble in the first hour of darkness. This seems to be related to changes in visibility, because the second hour of darkness is less difficult to bat in.
- teams tend to make a strategic floodlit declaration, because it's much easier to take wickets in the dark.
- teams make the bulk of their runs in the first two sessions, in daylight.
- tall fast-medium bowlers tend to be most effective, while express bowlers and spinners are much less effective.
- Steve Smith as a domestic captain has tended to leave his strategic floodlit declarations too late. He is fearful of not having enough runs, so tends to declare just 10 overs before the close. In the recent game he did so after his own team suffered floodlit collapses of 5-24 and 4-50 as the sun set, but only took 1 wicket in the remaining 10 overs as the light stabilised.

2) Specific factors related to Day/Night cricket at Brisbane
- the sun sets earlier than in Adelaide, so the difficult batting period starts just before the dinner break, and finishes halfway through the final session.
- there is more humidity than in Adelaide. This doesn't tend to cause much dew, but frequently in December - when Pakistan plays there - thunderstorms wipe out the final session.

3) What must Pakistan prepare for?
Rule 1: Score runs in daylight, declare no later than Dinner Time.
Rule 2: Make sure that your tail can bat, because if you lose the toss and end up being forced to bat from the Dinner break your top five will probably get wiped out in a hurry. Numbers 5, 6 and 7 need to survive and score runs in the final hour, and numbers 8-11 need to add another 100 runs the next morning.
Rule 3: Forget reverse swing. Wahab Riaz will be important at Melbourne and Sydney, but he would be a specialist batsman at the Gabba Day/Night Test.
Rule 4: Forget spin. Your spinner's main role is as a batsman, like Mitchell Santner and even Nathan Lyon next year. If you must pick a spinner, pick a part-timer who can bat - Mohammad Nawaz or Imad Wasim.
Rule 5: Include at least 1 tall right-arm quick. Josh Hazelwood was devastating last year, and Mohammad Asif was born for these conditions. Failing that, pick Ehsan Adil - but not Sohail Khan.
Rule 6: Include 4 quicks, but ensure that at least 2 and preferably 3 of them can score 30+. If the opposition declares at Dinner at 220-6 and then reduces you to 70-6 at the close, it's not that hard to profit under daylight the next morning for your tail to make it up to 190 all out.

OPTION 1: My team for a Pink Ball Day/Night Gabba Test

1. Sami Aslam
2. Azhar Ali
3. Asad Shafiq
4. Younis Khan
5. Misbah-ul-Haq
6. Sarfraz Ahmed
7. Aamer Yamin
8. Mohammad Nawaz
9. Hasan Ali
10. Mohammad Amir
11. Mohammad Asif

Potential problems:
a) Can this team contain the scoring rate in daylight?
b) Can this team take wickets in daylight?
c) Are Yamin/Nawaz/Hasan the most effective all-rounders for positions 7, 8 and 9 which absolutely demand an all-rounder due to the factors listed above?

Option B - the likely Misbah picks

1. Sami Aslam
2. Azhar Ali
3. Asad Shafiq
4. Younis Khan
5. Misbah-ul-Haq
6. Babar Azam
7. Sarfraz Ahmed
8. Yasir Shah
9. Wahab Riaz
10. Mohammad Amir
11. Sohail Khan

Potential problems:
a) 70-6 under lights is likely to become 90 all out.
b) Neither Wahab nor Yasir is likely to get any assistance from the pitch. When that happened to Yasir at Old Trafford and Trent Bridge he was a disaster.
 
Rahat and Mohammad Aamir would be key if there is swing and seam.
 
If Pakistan even take 25% of the efforts you take to create threads about them...they would whitewash Aus in Aus.
 
so all this is based on a sample of ONE Day night test match in Australia?
 
If Pakistan even take 25% of the efforts you take to create threads about them...they would whitewash Aus in Aus.

wasay you kinda have to admire the effort and time spent

these arent just one min kinda threads

a lot of Junaids threads have insane amount of research and references to trends. Though usually the opinion is already made up and the evidence presented is just to prop it. But still...
 
so all this is based on a sample of ONE Day night test match in Australia?

Exactly it's too early to be picking out trends.

For example;

"the pitch is left greener than usual and the outfield is left very lush to protect the Pink Ball."

Who says this will always be the case. It wasn't in Dubai and we had a thrilling finish.

The authorities don't want matches which finish in 3 days - it costs them a fortune in ticket revenue. Pink ball cricket will soon become just as high scoring as red ball cricket is.
 
Lol. [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] is spending weeks on this game. Yet it will only last 5 days max.
 
If only i had a dime for every post you made about the pink ball test and/or the trio who got banned for fixing! :D
 
You're not being daring enough Junaids. You're suggesting declaring with one session to go which is a good start but I would go even further and suggest reversing the batting order for teams that have to start the innings at that difficult twilight time.

The only problem is Misbah and Arthur are both really conservative thinkers and won't be easily persuaded into innovations and risk taking of this magnitude.
 
You're not being daring enough Junaids. You're suggesting declaring with one session to go which is a good start but I would go even further and suggest reversing the batting order for teams that have to start the innings at that difficult twilight time.

The only problem is Misbah and Arthur are both really conservative thinkers and won't be easily persuaded into innovations and risk taking of this magnitude.

I think he has suggested this before tbf
 
He bowls the wrong line and length.

Nice work boss, read it. :)



A fit & old Asif was unique, so I won't go to if he should be picked or not - personally, I don't think a personalty like him with all sorts of "enjoyment" of life, can handle the work load of a Gabba Test at 36-37, after 6 years out of cricket & only 2 FC matches with average duration of 300 overs.

But spoiled the party with this line - again your emotion got better of your acumen. :( Please bother to explain how Sohail bowls wrong line & length (& I mean it for green tops & pink ball) & then justify how he had couple of 5fers on Day 1 of a UK Test against batsmen, arguably best against new ball & swing/seem condition.

P.S.: After watching Sohail at UAE, I don't think he can carry the load of 23 overs even per Test, which he'll have to bowl in an Aussie summer day; so, I am not sure about him on fitness ground - BUT not on length, line or skill.
 
Nice work boss, read it. :)



A fit & old Asif was unique, so I won't go to if he should be picked or not - personally, I don't think a personalty like him with all sorts of "enjoyment" of life, can handle the work load of a Gabba Test at 36-37, after 6 years out of cricket & only 2 FC matches with average duration of 300 overs.

But spoiled the party with this line - again your emotion got better of your acumen. :( Please bother to explain how Sohail bowls wrong line & length (& I mean it for green tops & pink ball) & then justify how he had couple of 5fers on Day 1 of a UK Test against batsmen, arguably best against new ball & swing/seem condition.

P.S.: After watching Sohail at UAE, I don't think he can carry the load of 23 overs even per Test, which he'll have to bowl in an Aussie summer day; so, I am not sure about him on fitness ground - BUT not on length, line or skill.

This. Sohail's only issue is his lack of fitness. A very fine bowler in tests otherwise.
 
This. Sohail's only issue is his lack of fitness. A very fine bowler in tests otherwise.

His fitness has improved, particularly in the current series. He's lost some weight and has put in a 18 to 20 overs in some days.
Having said that, I am always concerned about his fitness because he always LOOKS like he is going to fall apart.
 
His fitness has improved, particularly in the current series. He's lost some weight and has put in a 18 to 20 overs in some days.
Having said that, I am always concerned about his fitness because he always LOOKS like he is going to fall apart.

His 2nd spell is totally different, in 3rd spell looks like Robin Singh. In AUS, he'll need to bowl 4 spells of 7+6+5+5; because Misbah won't be able to bowl 35 overs out of Yasir. 23 by Sohail, 19 by Aamir, 18 by Wahab, 5 by part-timers - still 25 overs from Yasir. Otherwise PAK has to play 5 bowlers, which is also yuk, yuk .... If Misbah uses Amir & Wahab for 48 overs combined, then better to pick Imran Khan.

Wahab doesn't take the new ball, so he'll be bowling 18 of the 67 overs (first 13 & last 10 by Sohail & Amir with new ball & Yasir almost relentless from Over 20 to 80), which again is yuk, yuk ....

It's easy to write strategy met, problem is when you start to put surgery (not attack) in it.
 
His 2nd spell is totally different, in 3rd spell looks like Robin Singh. In AUS, he'll need to bowl 4 spells of 7+6+5+5; because Misbah won't be able to bowl 35 overs out of Yasir. 23 by Sohail, 19 by Aamir, 18 by Wahab, 5 by part-timers - still 25 overs from Yasir. Otherwise PAK has to play 5 bowlers, which is also yuk, yuk .... If Misbah uses Amir & Wahab for 48 overs combined, then better to pick Imran Khan.

Wahab doesn't take the new ball, so he'll be bowling 18 of the 67 overs (first 13 & last 10 by Sohail & Amir with new ball & Yasir almost relentless from Over 20 to 80), which again is yuk, yuk ....

It's easy to write strategy met, problem is when you start to put surgery (not attack) in it.

Pakistan will almost certainly play a fifth bowler so workload should be more spread out (in theory).
 
After watching Sohail, I do feel PAK's only chance is a formation of 5-1-2-3: That's 5 specialist bat, Sarfu, 2 all-rounders, one batting & one bowling + 3 specialist bowlers. PAK simply can't go to a Test with 4 bowlers with that fitness record - if one of the bowlers break down, it's judgement day for Misbah, who is getting away with it because of inhuman efforts from Yasir. PAK is batting till tea, on Day 2; then Yasir is bowling 80+ overs in less than 3 days play, which is not only crazy staff, but a boomerang. Misbah gives a sh!t to what will happen tomorrow, otherwise, no Captain will use his prime spinner for that donkey work in UAE weather.

Top 5 batsman selects themselves, had Haris been there, I would have picked him as 6th batsman & 5th bower; now we have MoHa whom I don't want to consider. So, the only option left is
6. Sarfy
7. Yamin/MoHa, 8. Aamad/Fahim/Nawaz
9. Aamir, 10. Yasir, 11. Rahat/Wahab

This is another where I am damn upset with PAK management - never tried to get some overs out of Azhar, Asad & Babar. I know, Misbah kept that monopoly for MoHa, but Babar should have bowled at least 15 overs/FC match. Then, we could have played 4 specialist bowlers + Babar as the offie.
 
His 2nd spell is totally different, in 3rd spell looks like Robin Singh. In AUS, he'll need to bowl 4 spells of 7+6+5+5; because Misbah won't be able to bowl 35 overs out of Yasir. 23 by Sohail, 19 by Aamir, 18 by Wahab, 5 by part-timers - still 25 overs from Yasir. Otherwise PAK has to play 5 bowlers, which is also yuk, yuk .... If Misbah uses Amir & Wahab for 48 overs combined, then better to pick Imran Khan.

Wahab doesn't take the new ball, so he'll be bowling 18 of the 67 overs (first 13 & last 10 by Sohail & Amir with new ball & Yasir almost relentless from Over 20 to 80), which again is yuk, yuk ....

It's easy to write strategy met, problem is when you start to put surgery (not attack) in it.

Quite to the contrary. His second and third spells have been very good and at high 130's in this series
 
Looks like Misbah accidentally ended up doing what I said!
 
200/6 declare will never happen....

It's really hard to bat in the first hour after Dinner, and really easy against a Pink Ball in daylight.

Pakistan's only hope to win the Pink Ball Test at Brisbane is to make it a low scoring match in which they score 500 across 2 innings mainly in daylight and remove Warner, Smith and Khawaja under lights.

Amir tonight took 2-1-3-3.

I would want Amir and Rahat to bowl 6 overs each under lights, minimum, and 6 overs earlier after Dinner.

Because Pakistan really could reduce this Aussie team to 20-4 under lights.
 
It's really hard to bat in the first hour after Dinner, and really easy against a Pink Ball in daylight.

Pakistan's only hope to win the Pink Ball Test at Brisbane is to make it a low scoring match in which they score 500 across 2 innings mainly in daylight and remove Warner, Smith and Khawaja under lights.

Amir tonight took 2-1-3-3.

I would want Amir and Rahat to bowl 6 overs each under lights, minimum, and 6 overs earlier after Dinner.

Because Pakistan really could reduce this Aussie team to 20-4 under lights.

Pak may add few quick runs after dinner and get out doing so, but they won't declare at 200/6, neither will Australia
 
Pak may add few quick runs after dinner and get out doing so, but they won't declare at 200/6, neither will Australia

I agree, and that's a mistake.

Every extra two overs batted after Dinner at Brisbane should be viewed as one less Aussie top order batsman removed.

If thunderstorms are around, by all means bat on. But if the weather is not going to interrupt the final session, use the floodlights to remove the Aussie top order.
 
I agree, and that's a mistake.

Every extra two overs batted after Dinner at Brisbane should be viewed as one less Aussie top order batsman removed.

If thunderstorms are around, by all means bat on. But if the weather is not going to interrupt the final session, use the floodlights to remove the Aussie top order.

These are all hypothetical scenarios, What if Warner counter attacks and disturbs the lenghts of all the pacers. We may end the day with Aus 110/1 in reply to Pak 220/6 declare
 
These are all hypothetical scenarios, What if Warner counter attacks and disturbs the lenghts of all the pacers. We may end the day with Aus 110/1 in reply to Pak 220/6 declare

If you give Australia the whole final session to bat you will remove the three big fish.

The danger is doing what FAF did, and declaring so late that the light has stopped changing.
 
If you give Australia the whole final session to bat you will remove the three big fish.

The danger is doing what FAF did, and declaring so late that the light has stopped changing.

contrary to that Pakistan removed CAXI top 4 in last 3 overs today
 
Pakistan Batsman must bat positively at an averages runrate of 3.25. This will only happen if 2 out of Younis, Asad, Babar & Sarfraz score 50+

" Thakka " in Australia would mean a Loss 95 % of times and chances of Draw would be 5 %
 
Pakistan must change its mindset.

The playing eleven suggests that in case Yasir doesn't get fit than this lineup will face Australia.

4 left arm bowlers including 1 ordinary spinner in a daynight match with pink ball is not the way to go.

One of Sohail/Imran should must play first test.


If the Wicket has pace and bounce only than play Wahab. If it is the case than must play him otherwise bench him for pink ball Test.

Wrt Rahat he is a huge risk since he bowls mixture of beauties and rubbish. So playing him would be a gamble.

If Wahab is in the playing eleven and so is Nawaz due to Yasir's injury than don't pick Rahat and go for Sohail or Imran. While if Yasir remains unfit and you pick Rahat than pick Sohail instead of Nawaz.

On Aussie Speed guns Sohail will be 133 to 143 kph in first innings and He will swing the ball from good length with control. While Imran will seam the ball with control at 130 to 140 kph.
 
Pakistan must change its mindset.

The playing eleven suggests that in case Yasir doesn't get fit than this lineup will face Australia.

4 left arm bowlers including 1 ordinary spinner in a daynight match with pink ball is not the way to go.

One of Sohail/Imran should must play first test.


If the Wicket has pace and bounce only than play Wahab. If it is the case than must play him otherwise bench him for pink ball Test.

Wrt Rahat he is a huge risk since he bowls mixture of beauties and rubbish. So playing him would be a gamble.

If Wahab is in the playing eleven and so is Nawaz due to Yasir's injury than don't pick Rahat and go for Sohail or Imran. While if Yasir remains unfit and you pick Rahat than pick Sohail instead of Nawaz.

On Aussie Speed guns Sohail will be 133 to 143 kph in first innings and He will swing the ball from good length with control. While Imran will seam the ball with control at 130 to 140 kph.
Brisbane will have pace and bounce but I can't see Wahab bowling the right length.

As you know, I would want Hasan Ali and Asif, but it's too late now.

So I'd replace Wahab with Imran Khan for this Test.

Frustatingly, the players most suited to these conditions are in Pakistan. Against 7 left-handers with a Pink Ball on a greentop (Cricket Australia has a fixed grass length for Pink Ball Tests) I would want to pick:

6. Mohammad Hafeez (as much for his bowling as batting)
7. Sarfraz Ahmed
8. Aamer Yamin
9. Hasan Ali
10. Mohammad Amir
11. Mohammad Asif

My fourth quick means that Asif's workload can be tightly managed - limited to a 5 over spell in each session.
 
Didnt South Africa try this for it to backfire spectacularly?
 
Brisbane will have pace and bounce but I can't see Wahab bowling the right length.

As you know, I would want Hasan Ali and Asif, but it's too late now.

So I'd replace Wahab with Imran Khan for this Test.

Frustatingly, the players most suited to these conditions are in Pakistan. Against 7 left-handers with a Pink Ball on a greentop (Cricket Australia has a fixed grass length for Pink Ball Tests) I would want to pick:

6. Mohammad Hafeez (as much for his bowling as batting)
7. Sarfraz Ahmed
8. Aamer Yamin
9. Hasan Ali
10. Mohammad Amir
11. Mohammad Asif

My fourth quick means that Asif's workload can be tightly managed - limited to a 5 over spell in each session.

Somebody has to do the dirty work during the day.
 
Brisbane will have pace and bounce but I can't see Wahab bowling the right length.

As you know, I would want Hasan Ali and Asif, but it's too late now.

So I'd replace Wahab with Imran Khan for this Test.

Frustatingly, the players most suited to these conditions are in Pakistan. Against 7 left-handers with a Pink Ball on a greentop (Cricket Australia has a fixed grass length for Pink Ball Tests) I would want to pick:

6. Mohammad Hafeez (as much for his bowling as batting)
7. Sarfraz Ahmed
8. Aamer Yamin
9. Hasan Ali
10. Mohammad Amir
11. Mohammad Asif

My fourth quick means that Asif's workload can be tightly managed - limited to a 5 over spell in each session.


I believe, last time your strategy was keeping "things tight" with Asif & suffocate batsmen. Do you think, it's sufficient for a genuine No. 11 with pathetic fielding to have a day of 15-6-23-0?
 
1 : these things all look good on paper (specially for one match)
2 : Pak team dont even do planning for years to come and we are talking abt one match.
3 : just like in past, replacements offered (for one match) here are worse than players in team. and thats too for ONE match and ONE supposed one hr while sun set
 
Good work mate.... but considering the limitation of selection, I will go with.. Imran Khan, Rahat and Amir the fourth one is not decided yet...
 
Didnt South Africa try this for it to backfire spectacularly?
The only backfire was that they declared too late to bowl in the first hour of darkness when the light changes.

They were 259-9. They might have been bowled out next ball.

If they had declared at 220-7 they should have had the Aussies 50/4 by the end of Day 1.

But they wasted those key overs for thirty odd runs. That's a lousy trade off: thirty odd runs in place of removing the Aussie top order.
 
I believe, last time your strategy was keeping "things tight" with Asif & suffocate batsmen. Do you think, it's sufficient for a genuine No. 11 with pathetic fielding to have a day of 15-6-23-0?

In a Pink Ball Test in Australia you should only end up bowling for 60-70 overs.

So I'd be over the moon if Asif could bowl 15-6-30-2. :)
 
U guys are happily discussing what Amir,asif or sohail do to Australia batsmen, but also think what starc, hazlewood or cumming will do to pak batsmen under lights it will be a massacre 😖😖😱😱
 
U guys are happily discussing what Amir,asif or sohail do to Australia batsmen, but also think what starc, hazlewood or cumming will do to pak batsmen under lights it will be a massacre ��������
My whole point is that Pakistan needs to avoid facing them under lights by:

1. Scoring enough runs in the first two daylight sessions to declare, and
2. Adapting the batting order if Australia declares at Dinner.
 
Do we really need 4 bowlers in Brisbane? I say play Sharjeel and play sarfaraz at 8. I think the 3 left armers can get us 20 wickets at the Gabba
 
My whole point is that Pakistan needs to avoid facing them under lights by:

1. Scoring enough runs in the first two daylight sessions to declare, and
2. Adapting the batting order if Australia declares at Dinner.

You will probably get you wish on the first day one way or the other anyway.

Senario 1:
Pak win toss and bat, will be bowled out by an hour after dinner.

Scenario 2:
Australia win toss and bat, are about 180-4 going into the final session.

Either way Pak is likely to be bowling in the latter stages of the first day.
 
They don't have the stamina. PCB knows that their batting is weak and can't find a good allrounder.
 
In a Pink Ball Test in Australia you should only end up bowling for 60-70 overs.

So I'd be over the moon if Asif could bowl 15-6-30-2. :)


That's in fantasy world, in real world AUS batted 122 overs though.

Obviously that 2 wickets matter, EXACTLY my point was this - Asif to take top order with new ball, not to strangle scoring length line.
 
That's in fantasy world, in real world AUS batted 122 overs though.

Obviously that 2 wickets matter, EXACTLY my point was this - Asif to take top order with new ball, not to strangle scoring length line.
That was South Africa's choice. They chose to bat through 20 of the 32 overs under floodlights, including the pivotal first hour after Dinner.

But those extra 40 runs came at the cost of having to bowl in daylight instead.

Asif couldn't get a visa in time for Thursday's Test anyway. But today he bowled 18.2 overs at full pace. How could he possibly have to bowl any more than that in a day in Australia?
 
That was South Africa's choice. They chose to bat through 20 of the 32 overs under floodlights, including the pivotal first hour after Dinner.

But those extra 40 runs came at the cost of having to bowl in daylight instead.

Asif couldn't get a visa in time for Thursday's Test anyway. But today he bowled 18.2 overs at full pace. How could he possibly have to bowl any more than that in a day in Australia?

I have seen some of his spells, no question about the skills. But, playing QA Style & playing a Gabba Test is not the same. I give you a different perspective - I have little understanding of Karachi wicket & weather. Those farmers PCB pays as groundsmen has no fundamental knowledge of preparing the wicket - since it's a 5 Day match with Pink ball, they have put lots of green grass on the track (but not much bounce on the track), which'll turn brown by tomorrow afternoon in Karachi.

On 1st afternoon, Asif was bowling 120km staff to batsmen without any knowledge of where their off stick is & he'll trouble them on such wickets with new ball even when he is 40. The way this match is turning, I believe, Habib Bank will bat on 3rd afternoon (twilight zone) - we'll see him bowling 2nd time to the same batsmen, on a brownish wicket, before concluding the discussion regarding his Visa.

Regarding the declaration & timing of Pink-ball twilight period bowling - isn't it enough boss? Your have put so many hypothetical fantasy, each & every one of those back fired - I can go one by one (in fact, I gave that list for the 1st D/N Test as well). Just one example - you were arguing with me regarding 35 minutes delay by Faf, because he allowed Aussies openers in 35 minutes late which would have resulted 40/4 in 18 overs, instead of 18/0 in 12 - BECAUSE, it doesn't swing when the night is dark. Yesterday, that same you explained that Amir was swinging in last 5 overs of the day (I know the half our time gap between Adelaide & Cairns) yesterday wrote that it swings at night. This is all after bashing PCB & CA to arrange a game at Cairns knowing that it'll be washed out.

I can only tell that, most posters here respect you for your knowledge, passion & partially for age - otherwise, this naughty guys would have skinned you for your fantasy regarding pink ball & "Tactical" declaration & Asif & Butt. Unfortunately for you, this morning, I watched last 7 overs of the Match & have seen Butt batting - based on that, when I read your staff regarding his tactful batting today - I almost dropped off of my couch ..........
 
What did the pink ball do under lights? Did not watch today's play but going off the scorecard it appears talk of pink ball cricket being over mega quick may have been premature.
 
What did the pink ball do under lights? Did not watch today's play but going off the scorecard it appears talk of pink ball cricket being over mega quick may have been premature.
It did plenty, on a wicket with much shorter grass.

Pakistan used their paceman badly: they saved Amir for the second new ball but he should have also bowled straight after Dinner overs 60-70.
 
You will probably get you wish on the first day one way or the other anyway.

Senario 1:
Pak win toss and bat, will be bowled out by an hour after dinner.

Scenario 2:
Australia win toss and bat, are about 180-4 going into the final session.

Either way Pak is likely to be bowling in the latter stages of the first day.

Had Sarfaraz taken the catch off Azhar, the score would have been 183-4 at dinner.

That was a huge moment in the match, probably the match defining one, and will cost Pak the match and the series.

Pak really had to take all the chances going and it was a Kamranesque type drop which is hard to justify from any angle.
 
Aus missed a trick by not declaring at 220 and have a go at Pakistan under lights.
 
Aus missed a trick by not declaring at 220 and have a go at Pakistan under lights.

I see what you did there. :srt

But Junaids was right on target re. Asif. Would've bundled out Aus for 200 max.
 
It's really hard to bat in the first hour after Dinner, and really easy against a Pink Ball in daylight.

Pakistan's only hope to win the Pink Ball Test at Brisbane is to make it a low scoring match in which they score 500 across 2 innings mainly in daylight and remove Warner, Smith and Khawaja under lights.

Amir tonight took 2-1-3-3.

I would want Amir and Rahat to bowl 6 overs each under lights, minimum, and 6 overs earlier after Dinner.

<b>Because Pakistan really could reduce this Aussie team to 20-4 under lights.</b>

Instead of 20-4 try 106-0 for the 3rd Session.

It did plenty, on a wicket with much shorter grass.

<b>Pakistan used their paceman badly: they saved Amir for the second new ball but he should have also bowled straight after Dinner overs 60-70.</b>

If they had done that, you would have said "Pakistan used their paceman badly: they should have saved Amir for the second new ball instead of wasting his energy bowling with the old ball".
 
Aus missed a trick by not declaring at 220 and have a go at Pakistan under lights.

That would have been too late; they were 180/3 or so at dinner - at that rate 220 would have taken them beyond twilight zone to dark night - that's 10 overs extra & you have to count every 2 overs as one potential wicket.

Ideally, Smith should have declared at 180/3 & Starc/Josh could have gone to first drinks after dinner having PAK at 50/5 - missed the trick.
 
In all seriousness though i don't understand Junaids logic of declaring and bowling after dusk. International standard batsmen are expected to adapt and survive and score runs as many as possible regardless of colour of the ball or whatever else. Otherwise we might as well reduce D/N test matches to 3 day affairs if teams were to collapse the moment the sun goes down.
 
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In all seriousness though i don't understand Junaids logic of declaring and bowling after dusk. International standard batsmen are expected to adapt and survive and score runs as many as possible regardless of colour of the ball or whatever else. Otherwise we might as well reduce D/N test matches to 3 day affairs if teams were to collapse the moment the sun goes down.

That question boss avoided carefully when I asked him at first time on his theory -

In U.K., everyone knows that the ball swings prodigiously under cloud & in morning session - it's sometimes more than D/N condition & if there is a chance of weather clearing in 2/3 hours, batting condition becomes totally different. How many times, teams have declared at say 303/4 on 2nd morning when the sky is gloomy or there is not a single example when a team was put in on absolute green mamba with dark sky & they forfeited 1st innings, put opponents in & try to win the match by one innings batting.
 
That question boss avoided carefully when I asked him at first time on his theory -

In U.K., everyone knows that the ball swings prodigiously under cloud & in morning session - it's sometimes more than D/N condition & if there is a chance of weather clearing in 2/3 hours, batting condition becomes totally different. How many times, teams have declared at say 303/4 on 2nd morning when the sky is gloomy or there is not a single example when a team was put in on absolute green mamba with dark sky & they forfeited 1st innings, put opponents in & try to win the match by one innings batting.

Exactly. This happens sometimes even in South africa because of atmospheric conditions where the ball starts swinging late but i've never seen south Africa declare so that Steyn and Vern can have a go at opposition batting. In any case we haven't seen enough number of D/N tests with pink ball to pick out any useful trend. It's better to stick with conventional cricketing wisdom.
 
That would have been too late; they were 180/3 or so at dinner - at that rate 220 would have taken them beyond twilight zone to dark night - that's 10 overs extra & you have to count every 2 overs as one potential wicket.

Ideally, Smith should have declared at 180/3 & Starc/Josh could have gone to first drinks after dinner having PAK at 50/5 - missed the trick.

You are probably right here. 180/3 would have given even better chance to Aus. They totally missed it.
 
Waiting for Junaid to come back when Starc n Hazel go over pak batting under lights

Won't change anything irrespective of how Starc/Hazel do against Pakistani batsmen under lights. You simply can't declare with low totals if you have lots of wickets in hand in hope of dismissing opposition cheaply. No one does that. You do those thing if there is time pressure.
 
Won't change anything irrespective of how Starc/Hazel do against Pakistani batsmen under lights. You simply can't declare with low totals if you have lots of wickets in hand in hope of dismissing opposition cheaply. No one does that. You do those thing if there is time pressure.

Cricket is not played that way. If that's the case, every team would have sent 9, 10 & Jack at top 3 as sacrifice lamb against new ball.

Facing new ball is always tough - that's why there are sepecialist openers & no. 3s; whose role is to set the game for middle order. Cricket strategy is 150 years old - 2/3 D/N match is too little to change that.
 
No chance missed, day or night the Pak batting is crap.

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No, you have to count every 2 overs as a wicket. 180/3dec. is definitely better than reaching 450 in 125 overs, that's 75 minutes before before dinner break on Day 2. Let me explain why -

By not declaring, & keep batting till 450, Smith has allowed PAK openers 15 overs of day time batting in 2nd afternoon, when new ball doesn't swing, cut or bounce - so Azhar & Sami can walk in the park against Starc/Josh & go for a nice dinner at 45/0. After dinner, instead of 5 down in 10 overs, PAK can expect to lose 2 in twilight zone, because we know Pink ball doesn't swing when it's a bit old & Strac/Josh will be tired after 15 overs bowling before twilight - PAK should end the day at 125/2 or may be 135/3 - I don't expect much from Bird & Lyon because they are wastage of spot, in Test team - can't bat to save their life - in D/N Test you need your bowlers to bail out 60/5 situation with bat; not other way round - wickets are taken by twilight factor, not from good bowling or catching..

Pink ball will become a piece of rag on 3rd morning & by batting aggressively, PAK can reach 400/7 just before 3rd day twilight - Misbah can strategically declare at dinner, with still 50 in deficit - next 15 overs, you have to count 1 wicket per 2 overs again, so Aussies going to 1st drinks at 44/5 (I take a discount of 1 wicket in every 3 overs, just for a measured approach) & the big 3 (Smith, Khwaja & Warner) already sent back by twilight, while the young 3 are just there to fill in the numbers - so, we should expect Aussies be lucky to end the day at 105/6 - that's effectively 155/6 - next morning (4th morning); Yasir will keep it tight (though PAK made a mistake - Nawaz would have done better job to choke runs & he can average up to 35 with bat as well) - Aussie tail is absolute rubbish, because they haven't picked bowlers with batting skills to bail out the twilight carnage - should be cleaned for 151 all-out - that's a target of around 200 for PAK, with 4th twilight still 35+ overs away.

Azhar & Sami can bat comfortably to reach 91/1 by 4th twilight, because it's fun like net session to face Starc & Josh in Day time with pink ball. But, this time when the 4th twilight will come, pink ball is 35 overs old, and bowlers are tired - so I take 4 overs/wicket - PAK 144/4 at drinks after dinner. Since, Pink ball doesn't swing in dark night, Misbah should opt for that extra half hour & PAK to reach 203/5 by the end of day 4, for a 5 wicket win.

And, Smith's stupendous lack of understanding D/N game is exposed also in his game planning - he should have noticed that PAK hasn't brought the "Net bowler" Asif; so, in twilight, their batsmen would have given half a dozen catching practice at slips in that 10-12 overs. Instead, now he is facing a 4 Day defeat, at Gabba where Aussies last lost 28 years back against a slightly better team than this PAK lot.

All that's spoiled because of one tactical blunder by Smith - not declaring at 180/3, instead he kept batting till day end for 288/3. He should feel shamed again & needs D/N Test strategy lesson from PakPassion.
 
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No, you have to count every 2 overs as a wicket. 180/3dec. is definitely better than reaching 450 in 125 overs, that's 75 minutes before before dinner break on Day 2. Let me explain why -

By not declaring, & keep batting till 450, Smith has allowed PAK openers 15 overs of day time batting in 2nd afternoon, when new ball doesn't swing, cut or bounce - so Azhar & Sami can walk in the park against Starc/Josh & go for a nice dinner at 45/0. After dinner, instead of 5 down in 10 overs, PAK can expect to lose 2 in twilight zone, because we know Pink ball doesn't swing when it's a bit old & Strac/Josh will be tired after 15 overs bowling before twilight - PAK should end the day at 125/2 or may be 135/3 - I don't expect much from Bird & Lyon because they are wastage of spot, in Test team - can't bat to save their life - in D/N Test you need your bowlers to bail out 60/5 situation with bat; not other way round - wickets are taken by twilight factor, not from good bowling or catching..

Pink ball will become a piece of rag on 3rd morning & by batting aggressively, PAK can reach 400/7 just before 3rd day twilight - Misbah can strategically declare at dinner, with still 50 in deficit - next 15 overs, you have to count 1 wicket per 2 overs again, so Aussies going to 1st drinks at 44/5 (I take a discount of 1 wicket in every 3 overs, just for a measured approach) & the big 3 (Smith, Khwaja & Warner) already sent back by twilight, while the young 3 are just there to fill in the numbers - so, we should expect Aussies be lucky to end the day at 105/6 - that's effectively 155/6 - next morning (4th morning); Yasir will keep it tight (though PAK made a mistake - Nawaz would have done better job to choke runs & he can average up to 35 with bat as well) - Aussie tail is absolute rubbish, because they haven't picked bowlers with batting skills to bail out the twilight carnage - should be cleaned for 151 all-out - that's a target of around 200 for PAK, with 4th twilight still 35+ overs away.

Azhar & Sami can bat comfortably to reach 91/1 by 4th twilight, because it's fun like net session to face Starc & Josh in Day time with pink ball. But, this time when the 4th twilight will come, pink ball is 35 overs old, and bowlers are tired - so I take 4 overs/wicket - PAK 144/4 at drinks after dinner. Since, Pink ball doesn't swing in dark night, Misbah should opt for that extra half hour & PAK to reach 203/5 by the end of day 4, for a 5 wicket win.

And, Smith's stupendous lack of understanding D/N game is exposed also in his game planning - he should have noticed that PAK hasn't brought the "Net bowler" Asif; so, in twilight, their batsmen would have given half a dozen catching practice at slips in that 10-12 overs. Instead, now he is facing a 4 Day defeat, at Gabba where Aussies last lost 28 years back against a slightly better team than this PAK lot.

All that's spoiled because of one tactical blunder by Smith - not declaring at 180/3, instead he kept batting till day end for 288/3. He should feel shamed again & needs D/N Test strategy lesson from PakPassion.

You nailed it! Everything is correct except that Australia would score 153 in the 2nd innings rather than 151 as you wrote.
 
OK, we've managed to get to 20/1. Time to declare lads, I'm going to be furious if I see the batsmen coming back out after dinner.
 
In the final session, with 8 extra overs and a new ball and tail enders to bowl at, Pakistan still scored a mammoth 3/179. I think we can consider this 'batting under lights = disaster" theory thoroughly debunked by the events of tonight as well as on the first day where Australia didn't lose a wicket in the night session.
 
In the final session, with 8 extra overs and a new ball and tail enders to bowl at, Pakistan still scored a mammoth 3/179. I think we can consider this 'batting under lights = disaster" theory thoroughly debunked by the events of tonight as well as on the first day where Australia didn't lose a wicket in the night session.

Well the theory was backed by evidence but the reality is that CA and Kookaburra have been working for several years to overcome that issue.

And Kevin Mitchell jnr didn't see the need to have a greentop to protect the ball. On the evidence of it his judgement was correct.
 
Well the theory was backed by evidence but the reality is that CA and Kookaburra have been working for several years to overcome that issue.

And Kevin Mitchell jnr didn't see the need to have a greentop to protect the ball. On the evidence of it his judgement was correct.

Except the last one against South Africa was also not like the New Zealand D/N test last year
 
In the final session, with 8 extra overs and a new ball and tail enders to bowl at, Pakistan still scored a mammoth 3/179. I think we can consider this 'batting under lights = disaster" theory thoroughly debunked by the events of tonight as well as on the first day where Australia didn't lose a wicket in the night session.

You also need to account for bowler fatigue and mounting pressure of Pakistan getting close to the target. Add to that the chances they dropped in the slip cordon.
 
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