when did Bradman win a WC? Michael Jordan had a great team. He didn't win it by himself. Did marshal, the greatest bowler ever, win a WC? nope..
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AB de Villiers is a better ODI batsman than Ponting, Tendulkar and even Richards!
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no. NZ beat them in the group stage. Australia weren't better. NZ aren't terrible team. They should have won it.
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There's only so much a batsman can do in a WC tho. You need the team to stand up. Plus a bit of luck.
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Bradman won countless matches for his country, their wasn't a WC around then nor did 50 over cricket exist (?).
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Let me put it this way - would you call JT GOAT if he didn't win a NRL title? I'm a massive JT fan and even I know it would be impossible to call someone who has never won the big one GOAT. It's a massive gap on your record.
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WC is different from countless matches and Don is the best not because he won a WC or anything like that.
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Don is Test GOAT because of his average of 99 and his ability to score massive 100's - something which is near on impossible to match.
in a team sport yes because you need lot of things to go your away. Warne is a great bowler but he couldn't save Aussies blushes in the Ashes in 2005 because everyone else was failing. Sachin couldn't win a WC for a long time because he cannot win it by himself but was still called the best at that time.
ya but he didn't win a WC.
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Because he never played in an ODI WC...
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Of course I would but most others prolly not
Any way you can't compare a halfback to a batsman
exactly. you don't need a WC to prove anything if you are damn good. Someone like borderline ATG need WC to prove they belong in the best category.
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Well he's an average death bowler at the least.
Of course I would but most others prolly not
Any way you can't compare a halfback to a batsman
haha he keeps failing. he doen'st understand cricket is unique that if you are done batting, you can't come back to bat and get more runs. Football is not like that. You are in the field till the last minute and you can still score a goal in the last minute.. same goes to lot of other sports.
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Had AB flopped in WCs then yeah fair call to use it against him. Amla for example I think averages in the 20s in WCs against the top teams. But with AB that's not the case.
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I rate Kevin Pietersen better than AB de Villiers.
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Greatness is the same across sport - to be the best you need to have the biggest prizes to show the world your greatness.Of course I would but most others prolly not
Any way you can't compare a halfback to a batsman
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No way, he can be better than Ponting and Tendulkar, but not he can't be better than Sir Viv
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Team honours are only the cherry on top of the cake. If you've been consistently virtuoso in your performances over a period of time, one or 2 games where you haven't shown up can and will be considered as outliers. So when AB does perform and yet the team can't get over the line it is not his fault.
You also need to decide whether the team has quality players or not because if they did then they shouldn't need 1 guy to drag them over the line. You contradict yourself a little there.
Nonsense. Cricket players in last 12 years are of poorer quality compared to those back in the 90s and early 00s. Let's also take into account the invention of T20 which didn't exist back in those days. Bats have made batting easier too, and pitches have also become a lot flatter. AB is highly talented but I doubt he could replicate it against bowlers like Donald, Pollock, Ntini, Wasim, Waqar, Walsh, Warne, Vass...
The first 3 or so years of AB career, he was very ordinary, and bowlers like Lee, Murali, Kumble...were still around.
The likes of Viv and Sachin are still way ahead of AB.
The first 3 or so years of AB career, he was very ordinary, and bowlers like Lee, Murali, Kumble...were still around.
The likes of Viv and Sachin are still way ahead of AB.
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Klusener averaged 140 with the bat and 20 with the ball in the 99 WC. Didn't win a WC.
AB averaged 96 in the 2015 WC. Didn't win a WC.
Sanga averaged 93 in the 2011 WC and 108 in the 2015 WC. Didn't win a WC.
Ambrose averaged 17 in the 96 WC and 13 in the 99 WC. Didn't win a WC.
Donal averaged 16 in the 96 WC and 20 in the 99 WC. Didn't win a WC.
Waqar averaged 20 in the 96 WC. Didn't win a WC.
I can keep going but I'm sure get the point
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I never said AB wasn't great, I said he isn't the GOAT (for now).Klusener averaged 140 with the bat and 20 with the ball in the 99 WC. Didn't win a WC.
AB averaged 96 in the 2015 WC. Didn't win a WC.
Sanga averaged 93 in the 2011 WC and 108 in the 2015 WC. Didn't win a WC.
Ambrose averaged 17 in the 96 WC and 13 in the 99 WC. Didn't win a WC.
Donal averaged 16 in the 96 WC and 20 in the 99 WC. Didn't win a WC.
Waqar averaged 20 in the 96 WC. Didn't win a WC.
I can keep going but I'm sure get the point
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No I'll take all 3 over ABD. But ABD is still atg in odis.
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Let's take 40 as a useful knock in ODIs. Here are 40+ scores for these batsmen:
Batsman 40+ scores Innings Ratio
Tendulkar 176 452 2.568181818
Ponting 140 365 2.607142857
<b>AB 91 176 1.934065934</b>
Kohli 73 171 2.342465753
Richards 73 167 2.287671233
I will take my chances with AB to score than everyone else.
Batsman 40+ scores Innings Ratio
Tendulkar 176 452 2.568181818
Ponting 140 365 2.607142857
<b>AB 91 176 1.934065934</b>
Kohli 73 171 2.342465753
Richards 73 167 2.287671233
I will take my chances with AB to score than everyone else.
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40 out of 220 is not same as 40 out of 300.
Since ODI games have changed a lot in each decade, only players from same era should be compared with metrics like 40+ score frequencies. You can compare Kohli and AB. You can compare SRT and Ponting.
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Would wait till end of the decade to extrapolate averages/ SR etc. will get better picture that way
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The worth of a 50 or a 100 is still the same regardless of the era.
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Interestingly, in 1996, there were 443 innings of 40+ scores were played.
After 20 years in 2016, there were 392 innings of 40+ scores were played.
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...0;runsval1=runs;template=results;type=batting
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In 1996 - 127 ODIs. In 2016 less than 100 ODIs.
Worth of 40(50) was a lot more when team used to score 220. 40(50) may be even a losing contribution when team score 300+. All 50s or 100s are not same.
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He's been a huge let down in pressure situations otherwise everything about AB de Villiers is phenomenal. His range of shots, the pace at which he plays, the adaptability, on field conduct, attitude everything is ideal. With identical numbers, Virat beats him in the way he manages to deliver like a superman at times. That knock he played in the QF against Aussies last year in world T20 for example, that is something you want AB de Villiers to do with all the gifts he has.
That's right. Some people do try to twist these numbers - if their fav batsman is in trouble, they bring up that argument.
If the bowler they don't like is being hailed, they'd put up a contrary argument. Owned [MENTION=97523]Buffet[/MENTION]
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I said 40+ scores which also includes 50 and 100s (not just 40). Besides, SR is not even a problem in case of AB.
Moreover, unlike top order batsmen, AB can't cash on powerplay overs.
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