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Abdul Razzaq - Pakistan’s best player in high intensity chases? (ODIs)

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I saw a very interesting stat that was being shown during the chase. Babar averages 84 when Pakistan are chasing 300+ with 4 hundreds. Whilst Abdul Razzaq averages 65 (1 ton), and Misbah was 3rd averaging 63 (0 tons).

Tbh, this legend Razzaq doesn’t get the amount of appreciation he deserves. Phenomenal player. Hopefully mods can find and share that stat for everyone to discuss.

If there is one player that we may never be able to replace, it’s Abdul Razzaq. Ice cold batsman who could smash pace and spin regardless of the situation
 
He was not a legend, just an over rated guy

His last few odis after that 100 against South Africa were terrible. THe guy sucked at batting and was just a false all rounder.
 
Major said:
He was not a legend, just an over rated guy

His last few odis after that 100 against South Africa were terrible. THe guy sucked at batting and was just a false all rounder.
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Kya baatain Kar raha hai bhai?

Which player in Pakistan history has been able to bludgeon good/ express pace at the death like Razzaq did countless times for his country?
 
Major said:
He was not a legend, just an over rated guy

His last few odis after that 100 against South Africa were terrible. THe guy sucked at batting and was just a false all rounder.
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Oh man! He was exceptionally skilled and Explosive all rounder which Pakistan ever had.

name any other if you know?
 
Major said:
He was not a legend, just an over rated guy

His last few odis after that 100 against South Africa were terrible. THe guy sucked at batting and was just a false all rounder.
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Abdul Razzaq was very good as a lower middle order batsmen and finisher. Far better then our current so called chacha finisher.

I don't think he's a legend, and you're being unfair since you're comparing him when he was out of his prime and close to retirement.

I've seen Abdul razzaq bat, and trust me, he's the best lower order finisher for Pakistan in cricket history.

He may not be an ATG but he's a damn good batsmen.
 
Rana said:
I saw a very interesting stat that was being shown during the chase. Babar averages 84 when Pakistan are chasing 300+ with 4 hundreds. Whilst Abdul Razzaq averages 65 (1 ton), and Misbah was 3rd averaging 63 (0 tons).

Tbh, this legend Razzaq doesn’t get the amount of appreciation he deserves. Phenomenal player. Hopefully mods can find and share that stat for everyone to discuss.

If there is one player that we may never be able to replace, it’s Abdul Razzaq. Ice cold batsman who could smash pace and spin regardless of the situation
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Abdul Razzaq was extremely extremely good at the lower middle order. Man was born for the no 7 position.
 
Top 5 white ball all rounder, one of the greatest finishers & the cleanest striker Pak has ever produced.
 
Major said:
He was not a legend, just an over rated guy

His last few odis after that 100 against South Africa were terrible. THe guy sucked at batting and was just a false all rounder.
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Oh yes nothing compared to chacha
 
mominsaigol said:
Abdul Razzaq was very good as a lower middle order batsmen and finisher. Far better then our current so called chacha finisher.

I don't think he's a legend, and you're being unfair since you're comparing him when he was out of his prime and close to retirement.

I've seen Abdul razzaq bat, and trust me, he's the best lower order finisher for Pakistan in cricket history.

He may not be an ATG but he's a damn good batsmen.
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He wasn't even good. Highly over rated.

He was about to get drop from one days than suddenly he made that 100 against South Africa and won us that game. But after that game he played 15-20 odis and he barely did anything with the bat.


Was over rated alot
 
Major said:
He wasn't even good. Highly over rated.

He was about to get drop from one days than suddenly he made that 100 against South Africa and won us that game. But after that game he played 15-20 odis and he barely did anything with the bat.


Was over rated alot
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Sounds like you’re just judging by the tail end of his career. How old are you , maybe you were too young to see him play in his prime.
 
Major said:
He wasn't even good. Highly over rated.

He was about to get drop from one days than suddenly he made that 100 against South Africa and won us that game. But after that game he played 15-20 odis and he barely did anything with the bat.


Was over rated alot
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Brother that's the tail end of his career that you're judging, not the peak.
 
The PCB Brand owes these legends:

Wasim Akram
Shoaib Akhtar
Abdul Razzaq
Shahid Afridi

larger than life cricketers, millions of fans around the world were drawn into this brand because of them.
 
mominsaigol said:
Brother that's the tail end of his career that you're judging, not the peak.
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how long was his peak>?

just cause he had a purple patch that would be his peak? even as a bowler he was terrible, he has a wicket per match in odis.

He gets highly over rated by us just cause he use to hit a few boundaries.
 
Major said:
how long was his peak>?

just cause he had a purple patch that would be his peak? even as a bowler he was terrible, he has a wicket per match in odis.

He gets highly over rated by us just cause he use to hit a few boundaries.
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Averaging 30 with a strike rate of 80 in the lower middle order batting at no 7 in the early 2000 to late 2000 era when bats were smaller, thinner and pitches had more bowler friendly wickets and 250 was considered a good score compared to today where 300 is considered par and bat quality has improved is a damn impressive stat.

No other lower middle order batsmen of that era besides a select few such as dhoni even came close to razzaq's stats.

The Man has 57 Not outs in his iconic no 7 or no 8 position where he's often taken Pakistan over the finish line even if he had to make 30 runs of the last 3 overs.
 
mominsaigol said:
Averaging 30 with a strike rate of 80 in the lower middle order batting at no 7 in the early 2000 to late 2000 era when bats were smaller, thinner and pitches had more bowler friendly wickets and 250 was considered a good score compared to today where 300 is considered par and bat quality has improved is a damn impressive stat.

No other lower middle order batsmen of that era besides a select few such as dhoni even came close to razzaq's stats.

The Man has 57 Not outs in his iconic no 7 or no 8 position where he's often taken Pakistan over the finish line even if he had to make 30 runs of the last 3 overs.
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Some relevant stats for once. Anyone who just watches cricket and doesn’t go purely on stats , will understand context and impact and match winning performances a lot better. Razzaq was a match winner , impact player.
 
Nado_ said:
Some relevant stats for once. Anyone who just watches cricket and doesn’t go purely on stats , will understand context and impact and match winning performances a lot better. Razzaq was a match winner , impact player.
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He was also a very important lower order hitter because in the Era that he played white ball cricket, only 1 ball was used and seam bowlers believed in reverse swing more than variations.

So they were naturally pitching the ball up in the block hole searching for that perfect yorker. Razzaq in this case was absolutely lethal at clearing his front leg and dispatching the ball out of the park if the bowlers missed their lengths by millimetres.

He could also adjust and hit square or cover based on the lengths.

The man was a class finisher of innings!
 
Still going strong Abdul Razzaq:

Razzaq produced an unbeaten knock of 35 runs from 14 balls that included four sixes and a boundary to take New York Warriors to US Masters T10 Playoffs

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Razzak was more consistent hitter than Afridi.
If Pakistan had a coach like Bob Woolmer or Fletcher or Henson early , Mahmood and Razzak would have been a great combo in OD , and would have given Pakistan great batting depth in white ball.
 
Didn't do much in World Cups.

2003 and 2007, he played but Pakistan could barely go past the group stage.
 
Still remember his jaw dropping shocked reaction after getting bowled by Munaf Patel in Mohali, rubbish player when it mattered.
 
Major said:
He was not a legend, just an over rated guy

His last few odis after that 100 against South Africa were terrible. THe guy sucked at batting and was just a false all rounder.
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Not at all overrated as a lower middle order batsman. He was way better than afridi who was highly overrated as a bigger hitter than razzaq. Razzaq was the cleanest hitter pakistan have ever produced. And if he could have managed to maintain himself as a frontline fast bowler which he was in his early days of career, he could have been among the finest all-rounders of all time.
 
Abdur Razzak was the best finisher for Pakistan. Still can fondly remember his remarkable match winning innings of 109(72) balls. Single handedly decimated the South African pace attack then.
 
A legend for sure.

He was also addicted to spinach and they doctors had to intervene to ensure he didn’t overdose on spinach. lol!

Can’t even make this up. Emblematic of Pakistan cricket.

He was a death specialist with both the bat and the ball.

I remember his 1999 Sharjah match against Sri Lanka where he cleaned the tail to defend a low total. And who can forget his bowling to Tendulkar. You could argue Tendulkar was his bunny. I think even Tendulkar admitted he was one of the most difficult bowlers he’s ever faced.
 
I believe Inzamam was the best Pakistani player in high intensity chases.

Abdul Razzaq was very good also. But, he didn't do anything big in an ICC tournament like Inzamam did (1992 semi-final).
 
sweep_shot said:
I believe Inzamam was the best Pakistani player in high intensity chases.

Abdul Razzaq was very good also. But, he didn't do anything big in an ICC tournament like Inzamam did (1992 semi-final).
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Indy’s only World Cup inning of note was that ‘92 semifinal match. He’s never done anything remotely significant in any World Cup after that.
 
chinaman00 said:
Indy’s only World Cup inning of note was that ‘92 semifinal match. He’s never done anything remotely significant in any World Cup after that.
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That one innings was worth a lot. Without his innings, Pakistan might not have been in the final (which they eventually won).
 
sweep_shot said:
That one innings was worth a lot. Without his innings, Pakistan might not have been in the final (which they eventually won).
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Maybe, but for a batsman of his stature, you would expect him to have performed consistently. In fact, he always went into hiding during world cups.

The only consistent Pakistani batsman was Saeed Anwar. He always came in clutch when it mattered.
 
kron said:
Bashing of mcgrath was fun
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Still remember that thrashing this guy gave to Mcgrath. That was some domination. And that inning aginst south Africa was top knock to win the game out of nowhere.
 
Very good utility ODI player he was. It's his conduct since his retirement that puts a bad taste on my mouth.
 
Can't forget his innings against South Africa in abu dabhi where he single handedly won the game for Pakistan on a very slow and sluggish wicket.

I don't remember any of his innings better than this one.
 
one of the best finishers Pakistan ever had. I see a patwari calling him average reminds me IK quote about stunted mental growth.hahha
 
BouncerGuy said:
Still remember that thrashing this guy gave to Mcgrath. That was some domination. And that inning aginst south Africa was top knock to win the game out of nowhere.
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This is why I think there is no doubt in his mind when he says ‘Bumrah is a baby bowler to me’

He is. Razzaq is a certified OG
 
One of the all time greats in limited overs, very special player and also an ICC medal holder; don’t forget in 2009 he helped change Pakistan’s fortunes in the WT20, by strengthening the lower order, the Afridi promotion was possible and the rest was history, openers and players were dropped :misbah , Pakistan understood the T20 format properly back then. He also was a much better partner for Amir with the new ball upfront. The balance was just so much better when Razzaq got the SOS.

And beyond that, he has put out some truly memorable performances with both bat and ball in ODI’s which will live forever. With the ball taking 4 wickets in like 10 balls or something against Lanka was quintessential Sharjah magic of the late 90’s and then later on with the bat against all odds that ton against SA in 2010.
 
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Razzaq’s popularity is understated in those days, who remembers them adverts with him in a Ferrari :afridi I have no idea what they were about but the guy was charismatic
 
I think Inzamam was Pakistan's best player for high intensity chases. His biggest innings came during 1992 WC semi-final.

Abdul Razzaq is up there but I think Inzamam was a better chaser.
 
mango_bite77 said:
Razzaq doesn't used to hit the ball, he would tear the ball. Phenomenal striker, in our locality we used call him butcher 😃
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Agree. Amazing hitter.

He started off as a bowler. He developed his batting later on.

His batting career took off after Pakistan experimented with him during 1999 WC. He was batting at #3 in 1999 WC. After that, he never looked back.
 
Afridi was the most clutch chaser for Pakistan in white ball. He did the impossible many times.
 
RidiculousMan said:
Afridi was the most clutch chaser for Pakistan in white ball. He did the impossible many times.
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Yes but all those innings were purely luck based. Afridi was the definition of slog everything like a mad man. He didn't have any plan.

The guy played more odi's then any pakistani player in history. When you give a blogger that many games, their bound to hit a few 100 of 53, 100 of 45 and rapid fire 50 scores but that's also why afridi overall avg is 23.

Still Afridi is 100× superior to all the crap replacements that came over the years like shadab, Chacha, nawaz etc etc.

Razzaq's innings against SA is > Afridi's entire career. That innings required alot of brain power. Razzaq had to manage rr, had to eloquently bat with the tail, and properly navigate bowlers and decide who to target.

Afridi would have just slashed randomly.

Even Afridi’s 2014 Asia cup victory over India, the dude didn't give a damn about Junaid khan or the tail. He still slashed like a madman and in that game it worked.
 
mominsaigol said:
Yes but all those innings were purely luck based. Afridi was the definition of slog everything like a mad man. He didn't have any plan.

The guy played more odi's then any pakistani player in history. When you give a blogger that many games, their bound to hit a few 100 of 53, 100 of 45 and rapid fire 50 scores but that's also why afridi overall avg is 23.

Still Afridi is 100× superior to all the crap replacements that came over the years like shadab, Chacha, nawaz etc etc.

Razzaq's innings against SA is > Afridi's entire career. That innings required alot of brain power. Razzaq had to manage rr, had to eloquently bat with the tail, and properly navigate bowlers and decide who to target.

Afridi would have just slashed randomly.

Even Afridi’s 2014 Asia cup victory over India, the dude didn't give a damn about Junaid khan or the tail. He still slashed like a madman and in that game it worked.
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*Slow Claps*

Yes but all those innings were purely luck based.

A player has record of performance and winning matches.

Momin: Luck
 
RidiculousMan said:
*Slow Claps*

Yes but all those innings were purely luck based.

A player has record of performance and winning matches.

Momin: Luck
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Bowling wise it wasn't luck based and in terms of fielding it wasn't either. He was a terrific allrounder.

However he was a blind slogger at the end of the day. When you hack and slash everything you're bound to kick off.

You can give Jake fraser 400 odi games and I guarantee he'll have atleast 25 to 50 games where he'll play afridi level 100 of 37 ball innings lol.

It won't change the fact that he'll avg 23. That is unless he turns it around and becomes a proper batsmen cause atm he's a hack and slash kind of guy
 
mominsaigol said:
Yes but all those innings were purely luck based. Afridi was the definition of slog everything like a mad man. He didn't have any plan.

The guy played more odi's then any pakistani player in history. When you give a blogger that many games, their bound to hit a few 100 of 53, 100 of 45 and rapid fire 50 scores but that's also why afridi overall avg is 23.

Still Afridi is 100× superior to all the crap replacements that came over the years like shadab, Chacha, nawaz etc etc.

Razzaq's innings against SA is > Afridi's entire career. That innings required alot of brain power. Razzaq had to manage rr, had to eloquently bat with the tail, and properly navigate bowlers and decide who to target.

Afridi would have just slashed randomly.

Even Afridi’s 2014 Asia cup victory over India, the dude didn't give a damn about Junaid khan or the tail. He still slashed like a madman and in that game it worked.
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Razzaq was good, but his one innings being greater than entire career of Afridi ? Thoda zyada nahi horha ye ?
 
mango_bite77 said:
Razzaq was good, but his one innings being greater than entire career of Afridi ? Thoda zyada nahi horha ye ?
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It depends on how you view things.

If you're considering Afridi 100 of 37 or his 100 of 45 > Razzaq's 100 against sa then go for it.

Mainly because razzaq can never play such innings.

However afridi wouldn't be able to play the same innings against sa. Afridi was a blind slogger and if you give someone like Jake fraser mcgurk 400 games, he'll hot a few 100 of 45 balls as well eventually.

It's also why I rank Maxwell's 200 > De villers 147 of 44 or Steve smith 211 and Lara 153 in test > every knock that Sachin ever played in tests.

Such knocks are extremely difficult to play and require alot of brain power and mental pressure, something afridi doesn't have.

Afridi has definitely played more impactful knocks however.
 
He would have murdered the bowlers in the era of this fielding restrictions, 2 balls and big bats. Still remember his 5 effortless consecutive fours to Anderson in the last over of 4th ODI in 2010. Didn't even break any sweat.
He probably age fudged and his bowling declined pretty quickly in his supposed mid 20s. Otherwise his earlier career was filled with brilliant bowling spells. And he was a consistent lower order finisher. Haven't seen any other Pakistani batter throw kitchen sink at the ball. A Razzaq was also a pretty decent stone waller. Blocking out effortlessly. The flaw in his game was his relative inability to rotate strike. Quite possibly the only guy who you could compare with Klusener as a pace bowling allrounder.
Apart from that, Inzi was probably a better finisher but Inzi is perhaps our best ODI batter in history. Inzi and Razzaq both had a fear factor.
 
mominsaigol said:
It depends on how you view things.

If you're considering Afridi 100 of 37 or his 100 of 45 > Razzaq's 100 against sa then go for it.

Mainly because razzaq can never play such innings.

However afridi wouldn't be able to play the same innings against sa. Afridi was a blind slogger and if you give someone like Jake fraser mcgurk 400 games, he'll hot a few 100 of 45 balls as well eventually.

It's also why I rank Maxwell's 200 > De villers 147 of 44 or Steve smith 211 and Lara 153 in test > every knock that Sachin ever played in tests.

Such knocks are extremely difficult to play and require alot of brain power and mental pressure, something afridi doesn't have.

Afridi has definitely played more impactful knocks however.
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End of discussion. Afridi has won more games for pakistan than anyone else.
 
mango_bite77 said:
End of discussion. Afridi has won more games for pakistan than anyone else.
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He's played the most games as well that's thing.

Not a fair comparison. Name one player who's played as much?

If you gave imran Khan an equivalent no of games he'd easily have a bigger pool pile then Afridi in terms of winning games.
 
Abdul Razzaq was a good lower-order batter. His inning against South Africa is still one of the best finishes in world cricket but he is Pakistan's best chaser, that thing is debateable
 
BouncerGuy said:
Abdul Razzaq was a good lower-order batter. His inning against South Africa is still one of the best finishes in world cricket but he is Pakistan's best chaser, that thing is debateable
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Razzaq isn't anywhere close to Miandad and Yousaf in chasing.

Yousaf once set would always take you home in odi's. 15 centuries, 10 of them resulting in not outs, the other 4 resulting in wins with him pretty much sealing the deal.

Only one game where he scored a century and pakistan lost and that was his very first odi century.

Similarly miandad's innings in 1986 is > Any chasing innings pakistan has ever played including razzaq 100 against sa.

As for Inzimam, Eh inzi wasn't really a chaser but he has played chasing gems as well.

Misbah was definitely the worst chaser for pakistan though. No one comes close to this guy in botching it
 
mominsaigol said:
He's played the most games as well that's thing.

Not a fair comparison. Name one player who's played as much?

If you gave imran Khan an equivalent no of games he'd easily have a bigger pool pile then Afridi in terms of winning games.
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The comparison is between Afridi and Razzaq, not Afridi and Imran. Imran was one of the greatest all rounders of the world cricket. Afridi or Razzaq was not even 10% of what Imran was.

Between Afridi and Razzaq, Afridi was more talented, impactful and most importantly super fit. That's what allowed him to have prolonged career compared to Razzaq who was insane hitter of the ball but pure liability on field, poor against spin, average bowler post 2007 ( except 2009 final).

Overall both served well to Pakistan and it's been around 10 years since both of them retired, but Pak is yet to find any proper replacements.
 
Abdul Razzaq was super talented but he lacked the discipline to reach to greater heights. He was distracted by off field activities which also led to fitness issues
 
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