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'Abundance of very, very good batsmen': Why India can still win without Kohli

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When India created history with its first series win in Australia two years ago, the success was marked with an asterisk by some on the subcontinent as it came against a local side missing Steve Smith and David Warner.

Reflecting on the series win, former captain and chairman of the Indian board Sourav Ganguly suggested this success this summer would be viewed more highly.
"I think that's going to be a bigger challenge for them and I am sure [with] the standards Virat sets for himself and his team, he'll know at the back of his mind that the 2018 Australian team was not the best Australian team of his generation," Ganguly said on the India Today show last December.

The same could not be said if India were to make it back-to-back triumphs with their inspirational leader Virat Kohli missing three of the four Tests.
Though masked on their arrival in Sydney on Thursday, there are still plenty of familiar faces in the strong Indian touring party.

With seven wins from 48 Tests, Indian sides have struggled in Australia, their batsmen unable to cope with the pace and bounce, and their bowlers lacking the speed to make a mark in local conditions. The last two teams Kohli has led to these shores buck that tradition.

THE BATTING

It was not that long ago international teams believed they could "bully" India's batsmen away from the comforts of their sluggish decks of home.

"The general conversation was we'd just bully them," Mickey Arthur told The Sydney Morning Herald and The Age of South Africa's plans for India's 2006/07 tour of the country.

"We'd go short, short, short for long enough and we'll get them out."

India's current crop are made of sterner stuff, as Australia's quicks learned two years ago when they were battered into submission, admittedly on docile tracks which did not suit the home side's strengths.

Kohli remains the kingpin but their batting depth means his unavailability for the final three Tests should not be a crippling blow. Cheteshwar Pujara and Ajinkya Rahane can both score big runs in Australia.

Rohit Sharma, one of the most dynamic players in the game, has a golden opportunity to stamp himself on the Test scene. Dominant in the white-ball arena, Sharma has taken time to find his feet in the longest format but Arthur believes he now has the technique to succeed.

"You miss your lengths, miss your areas, he's hitting you for four," Arthur says. "Those are the type of batsmen who you don't like bowling at. They move the game forward, they can move it forward in a session. He would be the one I'd earmark to step up when Kohli goes home."

Highlighting India's batting depth, opener Mayank Agarwal was a rock at the top when he debuted mid-series.

"There's an abundance of very, very good batsmen," Arthur says.

Arthur believes youngster Shubman Gill, with a first-class average of 73, will be the find of this tour. The 21-year-old left Arthur in awe with the way he treated world-class quicks such as Pattinson, Jasprit Bumrah and Trent Boult in the IPL.

"I know it's T20 cricket on flat wickets in the UAE, but he was standing there hitting the quicks in front of square," Arthur says. "Those young guys don't worry about pace and bounce anymore.

"If he gets an opportunity, there's a lot of wow factor about him. He's a superstar in the making."

THE BOWLING

Pakistan and New Zealand did not have the raw speed to apply enough pressure on Australia's batsmen. India do.


In Bumrah, Mohammed Shami and Umesh Yadav, the visitors have three frontline quicks capable of breaking 140 km/h, which is crucial for success in Australia. Their back-up, Navdeep Saini, can hit 145km/h-plus.

"They're talented. They're the only team that's come with a high speed attack and that's why they won last time," former Australia coach Darren Lehmann says.

"Everyone else brings medium-pacers, and that doesn't work in Australia. You need speed, because the wickets are so good."

Without Smith and Warner, Australia lacked the batting talent to test the stamina of India's quicks. But with their aces back and Marnus Labuschagne's rise to the world's elite they now do.

Australia will target spinner Ravi Ashwin in the belief they can tire the fast men by making them bowl more spells with shorter breaks. Ashwin's record here of 27 wickets at 48 is vastly inferior to his career mark but if he can pin down Australia like he did last time, when he conceded 1.71 runs per over, he will have played his part.

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricke...-still-win-without-kohli-20201113-p56ed5.html
 
I think, from his position, Ganguly had to say something like this and he did brilliantly - as a former Indian captain & BCCI top brass, he can’t say that without Kohli, we are significantly weaker and don’t have much of a chance. He did remind that the Aussies of 2017-18 were not the strongest, which actually tells about the respect he has for Australian cricket and the mature side of his.

Arthur did technical analysis and I do agree with him indeed - this Indian lineup won’t be bullied by short staffs and if Aussies prepare roads like what they offered to PAK last year, it might back fire - India will post 500+ on such tracks with or even without Kohli and then Aussies will be against the four men attack, probably best suited on Australian wickets, out side from Australia.

But, only thing that goes against India here is age - most of their players in last tour were at their peak years, batsmen either side of 29 & pacers between 25 to 32 - in for, fit & experienced. This time, almost same attack is going with three years into the wrong side of 30s and batsmen including Kohli are in decline. I’ll be damn surprised if Pujara can remotely match his numbers of last series, unless Aussies put tracks like the SCG one.

Warner & Smith gives Aussies a much needed batting backbone, upon which Labus & others can build around - last time Aussies missed a batting leader against a very good Indian attack and that series should have ended 1-3 in favour of tourists. But, I guess the bigger difference, apart from an ageing Indian side is that the Aussie attack this time will be much more potent - if fit, three of Cummins, Starc, Josh & Patinson makes by far the best pace attack for Australian context, and Lyon is the best spinner I have seen in Australia in last 10-12 years, more precisely, since Warne retired.

I’m eagerly waiting for the Test series to start, but we might be for a disappointment this time - won’t be surprised if it goes flat and Aussies roll India 4-0. I think, a single win by India almost confirms an Australia-India WTC final at Lord’s, but my hunch is India will have to do it at home against Poms.
 
I think, from his position, Ganguly had to say something like this and he did brilliantly - as a former Indian captain & BCCI top brass, he can’t say that without Kohli, we are significantly weaker and don’t have much of a chance. He did remind that the Aussies of 2017-18 were not the strongest, which actually tells about the respect he has for Australian cricket and the mature side of his.

Arthur did technical analysis and I do agree with him indeed - this Indian lineup won’t be bullied by short staffs and if Aussies prepare roads like what they offered to PAK last year, it might back fire - India will post 500+ on such tracks with or even without Kohli and then Aussies will be against the four men attack, probably best suited on Australian wickets, out side from Australia.

But, only thing that goes against India here is age - most of their players in last tour were at their peak years, batsmen either side of 29 & pacers between 25 to 32 - in for, fit & experienced. This time, almost same attack is going with three years into the wrong side of 30s and batsmen including Kohli are in decline. I’ll be damn surprised if Pujara can remotely match his numbers of last series, unless Aussies put tracks like the SCG one.

Warner & Smith gives Aussies a much needed batting backbone, upon which Labus & others can build around - last time Aussies missed a batting leader against a very good Indian attack and that series should have ended 1-3 in favour of tourists. But, I guess the bigger difference, apart from an ageing Indian side is that the Aussie attack this time will be much more potent - if fit, three of Cummins, Starc, Josh & Patinson makes by far the best pace attack for Australian context, and Lyon is the best spinner I have seen in Australia in last 10-12 years, more precisely, since Warne retired.

I’m eagerly waiting for the Test series to start, but we might be for a disappointment this time - won’t be surprised if it goes flat and Aussies roll India 4-0. I think, a single win by India almost confirms an Australia-India WTC final at Lord’s, but my hunch is India will have to do it at home against Poms.

Bumrah is 26
Shami is 30
Ishant is 32
Saini is 27
Siraj is 23

They are in their peaks.

Shami may be a littler older but he is built like a tank

Starc is 30
Hazelwood 29
Cummins 27
Patto 28


Yes India has a slightly older attack but Ishant only plays tests so he should be fine.

Batsmen that are older include Pujara but he is still only 32. Rahane 32. Rest are fairly young. Rohit yes 32. They are still in their primes.

Warner is 35....
Yes Australia has a younger batting side.
 
Bumrah is 26
Shami is 30
Ishant is 32
Saini is 27
Siraj is 23

They are in their peaks.

Shami may be a littler older but he is built like a tank

Starc is 30
Hazelwood 29
Cummins 27
Patto 28


Yes India has a slightly older attack but Ishant only plays tests so he should be fine.

Batsmen that are older include Pujara but he is still only 32. Rahane 32. Rest are fairly young. Rohit yes 32. They are still in their primes.

Warner is 35....
Yes Australia has a younger batting side.

I’ll add about 2 years with the Indian ages & probably 5 for Shami😝. But, that’s not the only point - last time, India peaked as a whole unit - Bowlers complimenting each other’s, even tailenders batted with guts & passion and fielders took catches. Over the years, Indian catching is probably the worst I have seen in my lifetime from any Indian team - when you miss lots of slip catches, that’s the first sign on decaying reflex, age catching up. The last Kiwi tour doesn’t give me that confidence that the batting can grind it out against Aussie pace attack.

Siraj, Saini may be good FC match bowler, I haven’t seen - but bowling in Indian FC games with SG balls and bowling on Australian tracks, to those brilliant back-foot Aussies with Kookaburra is totally different proposition. I think, Bumrah will bowl well, but not sure about other two senior pacers and India didn’t take any Leggi, which I think is a mistake - everything is on Ashwin now and he will have to bowl at least 60 overs/Test tightly to keep the three pacers effective - tough ask.

Pujara & Rahne are just not the batsmen I saw few years back & I am not sure if Sharma is even fit enough for four Tests. One big difference of playing cricket in Australia is that it’s extremely daunting to compete with the Aussies at their pomp - they’ll always be at you, won’t give up at any point, will exploit every weakness and if they get you on mat once, won’t give the chance to roll over. I am not sure this Indian team has the toughness for that battle. Last time, what worked for India is that they played a brilliant first Test from a tight start (4/40 I guess) - that set up the tone for the series. This time also will be the same - unless India brags it out ball by ball in Test 1, it’ll end in capitulation thereafter.

Still, I am sure India will give Aussies the best competition they can imagine from any contemporary touring side, but they are just too good & too ruthless at home.
 
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They need to try their best to win the First Test as it will set the tone for the rest. If India get murdered by Australia in the first Test even with Kohli playing, the remaining 3 Tests will become a nightmare for the players who are already playing in extreme circumstances such as the covid bubble.

This can be a brutal tour if you can’t set the tone straight away
 
I’ll add about 2 years with the Indian ages & probably 5 for Shami😝. But, that’s not the only point - last time, India peaked as a whole unit - Bowlers complimenting each other’s, even tailenders batted with guts & passion and fielders took catches. Over the years, Indian catching is probably the worst I have seen in my lifetime from any Indian team - when you miss lots of slip catches, that’s the first sign on decaying reflex, age catching up. The last Kiwi tour doesn’t give me that confidence that the batting can grind it out against Aussie pace attack.

Siraj, Saini may be good FC match bowler, I haven’t seen - but bowling in Indian FC games with SG balls and bowling on Australian tracks, to those brilliant back-foot Aussies with Kookaburra is totally different proposition. I think, Bumrah will bowl well, but not sure about other two senior pacers and India didn’t take any Leggi, which I think is a mistake - everything is on Ashwin now and he will have to bowl at least 60 overs/Test tightly to keep the three pacers effective - tough ask.

Pujara & Rahne are just not the batsmen I saw few years back & I am not sure if Sharma is even fit enough for four Tests. One big difference of playing cricket in Australia is that it’s extremely daunting to compete with the Aussies at their pomp - they’ll always be at you, won’t give up at any point, will exploit every weakness and if they get you on mat once, won’t give the chance to roll over. I am not sure this Indian team has the toughness for that battle. Last time, what worked for India is that they played a brilliant first Test from a tight start (4/40 I guess) - that set up the tone for the series. This time also will be the same - unless India brags it out ball by ball in Test 1, it’ll end in capitulation thereafter.

Still, I am sure India will give Aussies the best competition they can imagine from any contemporary touring side, but they are just too good & too ruthless at home.


lets see i guess. i dont belive ishant is older than 32 though. He still looks young. shami i agree is doubtful lol but he is super lean and fit. Still in his prime. world class bowler. ishant too.

bumrah is top class.

i am not worried one bit about our bowling as its easily one of the best in the world. I am concerned about our batting but i have a feeling the youngsters will step up this time. Rohit's injury is a concern but we have rahul who an operate at number 4.

Gill and mayank can open. Teams who win the toss in australia more often than not tend to hurt aussies.

I hope we just get some preparation done before the series though. Playing t20 and odi games before a major test series is pointless.
 
The one positive change this time is that we now have a well settled pair of openers while last time we played murali vijay and an out of touch rahul.
Mayank is in fine touch and the last time he played in Australia he showed us what he is capable of.
Jaddu is in his best batting form so is Kl rahul.
Bumrah is in the form of his life, he redeemed himself this ipl.
Shami is also bowling with fire.
If we have our three main pacers i am sure we will compete.
I think Rahul will replace kohli at no. 4 although i want gill to be given a chance.

Negatives are that we don't know whether ishant sharma will be fit or not,
 
I don't think India could win even with Kohli there for all 4 tests. We'll see soon enough.
 
The one positive change this time is that we now have a well settled pair of openers while last time we played murali vijay and an out of touch rahul.
Mayank is in fine touch and the last time he played in Australia he showed us what he is capable of.
Jaddu is in his best batting form so is Kl rahul.
Bumrah is in the form of his life, he redeemed himself this ipl.
Shami is also bowling with fire.
If we have our three main pacers i am sure we will compete.
I think Rahul will replace kohli at no. 4 although i want gill to be given a chance.

Negatives are that we don't know whether ishant sharma will be fit or not,

So, you don't want to see Gill as an opener:20:
 
India have no chance without kohli even if they prepare well.with kohli they maybe able to win 1 game and draw 1
 
Australia are strong at home , they have a world class bowling line up. Smith and Warner are world class but especially dangerous in home conditions. Labuschange is a better player than he was 2 years ago.

India have shown signs of decline on the New Zealand tour. Without Kohli for 3 tests, I really don't see India winning this series. I think Australia will win the series 3/4-0.

India should look to rebuild their test side in the next home tour. They have a lot of players over 30. Time to get integrate some of those young batters like Gill and maybe Iyer. I would look at Washington Saunder and Kuldeep as the next spinners for the future.
 
Australia are strong at home , they have a world class bowling line up. Smith and Warner are world class but especially dangerous in home conditions. Labuschange is a better player than he was 2 years ago.

India have shown signs of decline on the New Zealand tour. Without Kohli for 3 tests, I really don't see India winning this series. I think Australia will win the series 3/4-0.

India should look to rebuild their test side in the next home tour. They have a lot of players over 30. Time to get integrate some of those young batters like Gill and maybe Iyer. I would look at Washington Saunder and Kuldeep as the next spinners for the future.

Labu is a very good test player I rate high highly
 
I think this is going to be a very interesting series. Last time India played brilliantly despite the fact that Smith and Warner were not part of the series and there was a lot of negativity in the Australian dressing room. This time around Indian team has to play out of their skins to even think of winning the test series. Kohli's absence will definitely hurt India but still the team has to move on. This series is a golden opportunity for Ajinkya Rahane as a Batsman and Captain. His form in the last 2 years has been extremely disappointing. This can be a breakthrough series for him either way. Cheteshwar Pujara is mentally strong and he was the biggest difference between both the teams last time. KL Rahul is in excellent form and he just needs to show test match temperament and patience. Rohit Sharma has to improve his fitness to have a long lasting career ahead. India's bowling attack is solid and just need to repeat what they did last time. Ishant, Bumrah and Shami complement each other very well. My prediction : Australia wins the series - 2 : 1
 
I don't think Indian batting will stand against the Aussies this time. Something about having T20s and Odis before the test series makes me feel that batsmen will not be fresh for the tests. Our bowling will also struggle with Smith and Warner back in their team, and there is Labu, who is one of the best of his generation (along with Babar).
 
Had India only played the test series as the main format instead of Integrating short formats in the schedule as well, I would say India wins 2-1 easily. Provides they play some tour games as well.

Now with odi and t20s being played before a major series for some strange reason (probably mullah) I predict either a draw or Aussie win 2-1.
 
His style is more suited to test cricket than LO cricket. He can keep things tight and has the height to trouble batsmen.
I think The role of a spinner in test cricket is to take wickets even if he goes for runs.
Sundar doesn't spin the ball much.
 
Don't think India has much chance without Kohli especially as Rahane and Pujara aren't the same players they were on the last tour. If it were up to me, I'd go:

Sharma (c)
Agarwal
Pujara
Rahane
Gill
Vihari
Pant
Jadeja
Yadav
Shami
Bumrah
 
Don't think India has much chance without Kohli especially as Rahane and Pujara aren't the same players they were on the last tour. If it were up to me, I'd go:

Sharma (c)
Agarwal
Pujara
Rahane
Gill
Vihari
Pant
Jadeja
Yadav
Shami
Bumrah
Rahane failed badly even in the last tour.
Pant was our second highest run maker.
 
Indian losing in the first test with Kohli would be better, so we wouldn't have to wonder too much if India could have beaten Australia once they get flattened in the rest of the series.
 
Had India only played the test series as the main format instead of Integrating short formats in the schedule as well, I would say India wins 2-1 easily. Provides they play some tour games as well.

Now with odi and t20s being played before a major series for some strange reason (probably mullah) I predict either a draw or Aussie win 2-1.

No way was India beating Australia easily.
 
Both are a huge step down from Ishant Sharma.

Yes but you don't know how good Saini and Siraj have been in doemstic first class cricket.

Siraj is a fantastic test bowler. His stats in first class cricket is outstanding.

Don't judge him based on some IPL matches. Test cricket is different.

Mayank literally jumped off the plane and smashed around Australia's top bowling attack in their home condtions. Ranji cricket is great system.
 
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Can India win the Test series against Australia without Virat Kohli?

The million dollar question!

Here is Mcgrath's opinion

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Fast bowling legend Glenn McGrath predicts that the absence of Virat Kohli will leave an impact on the upcoming India-Australia Test series. Kohli will only be part of the series opening first Test in Adelaide before returning home to be with his wife Anushka Sharma, as they await the birth of their first child.

It was under Kohli that India won their first ever Test series on Australian shores during the tour of 2018-19 with the India captain playing an important role with the bat as well.

However, with Australia back to full strength after Steve Smith and David Warner’s return and the emergence of Marnus Labuschagne, the tourists have their task cut out.

“It will impact the series,” McGrath was quoted as saying by Hindustan Times. “The player of his quality and class, for India to lose him in three out of four Tests is a big blow. It will be for the other players to step up. I can totally understand him wanting to go back for his first child’s birth.”

“Kohli is worth two players; one, as a batsman and two, as the captain, setting the field with his energy and attitude. Australia would want to dominate the series and level the ledger. They have Smith and Warner back,” he added.

In Kohli’s absence, India’s batting will be reliant on the ever-dependable Cheteshwar Pujara who was the leading run-getter from either side during 2018-19 Test tour.

McGrath explained what sets Pujara apart from the modern batsmen

“The thing he did so well last time was that he occupied the crease. He spent time in the middle just batting. He is a kind of batsman who doesn’t feel pressure when not scoring runs. That’s unique in the modern era where there are batsmen who would want to score runs after one maiden over. Pujara doesn’t have that mindset. That helped him last time, allowed him to get a lot of time and just compile runs,” McGrath said.

The first Test, to be played in Adelaide, will be a day-night affair.

McGrath reckons it Kohli wants to leave an impact on the series, he will have to perform in the only Test he’s playing.

“That first Test is going to be interesting. That is a day-night Test. India haven’t played a day-night Test in Australia. At night, with the sun setting, it will probably start favouring the fast bowlers. It will be about timing, when you are bowling or batting,” McGrath observed.

“Virat, if he has to have an impact in the series, will have to make an impact in the only Test he is playing. That will set the tone. Two years back, the first Test win in Adelaide gave them a lot of confidence,” he added.

However, McGrath did add that India have enough quality batsmen in their squad and the likes of Rohit Sharma will be eager to step up in the absence of Kohli/

“As far as other batsmen are concerned, Rohit Sharma is a quality batsman who hasn’t achieved at the Test level what he should be achieving. Maybe when Virat goes home, he might just step up and show what he can do. You can’t just focus on one player. You have Pujara, Ajinkya Rahane, KL Rahul. India has a strong batting line-up,” he said.

https://www.cricketcountry.com/news...-impact-test-series-says-glenn-mcgrath-957401
 
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No chance for India. Even Kohli didnt have a great series last time and Hazlewood has got his number. The bowling is not as good as last time either with Bumrah down on pace after that back injury. Our only hope is to win tosses and avoid a whitewash. Australia have become a much stronger side as well.
 
No chance for India. Even Kohli didnt have a great series last time and Hazlewood has got his number. The bowling is not as good as last time either with Bumrah down on pace after that back injury. Our only hope is to win tosses and avoid a whitewash. Australia have become a much stronger side as well.

Remove odi and T20 and only play tests I guarantee you India will push them to their limits and even break Australia.
Now with all this rubbish short format bilateral games before a major test it will be very hard.

2-1 aussies if India pick the right team and lose 3 tosses.

1-1 if India win 3 tosses.

Kohli averaged like 45. He still played well.
 
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