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You must be distributing sweetsBut you get my point , that's enough![]()
They already have abrar wasim jnr salman mirza just play them you will be alrightI think after asia cup pakistan needs to do a clear out and try some new bowlers in pace department recycling same rubbish over and over again also likes of fakhar need to go m haris has been a huge disappointment along with others
In terms of talent I'd still say we are better but our players are part of an extremely corrupt and flawed system so I don't blame them entirely
Yes, you are right because today there was a party at my home to celebrate my nephew's birthday.You must be distributing sweets
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Yes, but my point is that dearth of talent is so serious that we don't even have young bowlers breaking out of PSL anymore. In previous years there were always 2-3 breakout stars every season.This is where the role of the selectors becomes vital i.e. how to assess whether certain players are only good effective for domestic cricket but are not good enough for international cricket or are past their sell date in international cricket.
What are you even talking about where did abrar sufiyan wasim jnr salman mirza came from india?How can we be better? Afghan players play in all the top T-20 leagues in the world. They have the better spinners and they have closed the gap as far as fast bowling is concerned as well. It is a myth that Pakistan has top white ball talent. We are still playing the players from 2016-17 CT trophy and have not really discovered any new talent for a while.
Ali Raza?Yes, but my point is that dearth of talent is so serious that we don't even have young bowlers breaking out of PSL anymore. In previous years there were always 2-3 breakout stars every season.
If we are encouraging players to play with intent we should be criticizing them when they get out like this coming out to bat when the team in 5 down with 100+ to get at 11+ RPO.Didn’t say anything about why Haris tried to hack it. Shot was on, it was a rubbish half tracker but he is too rubbish to execute even that shot.
That’s why he is a gone case.
Saim Ayub Babar Rizwan and Hasan Nawaz are better batting talents than anyone in Afgh side.How can we be better? Afghan players play in all the top T-20 leagues in the world. They have the better spinners and they have closed the gap as far as fast bowling is concerned as well. It is a myth that Pakistan has top white ball talent. We are still playing the players from 2016-17 CT trophy and have not really discovered any new talent for a while.
Good prospect but I don't think he's ready for international cricket just yetAli Raza?
I will never say WHY did Haris play that shot as it was definitely on and he had the right idea to go for it.If we are encouraging players to play with intent we should be criticizing them when they get out like this coming out to bat when the team in 5 down with 100+ to get at 11+ RPO.
Haris should not be batting in this position. He should be batting in the Top 4. I think he can go even harder than Saim or Farhan when he's on-song. But there is too much shifting and shuffling going on and he is the only one who seems to be affected.
Been hearing this since 2003Good fight by Haris Rauf with the bat, but at the end Afghan where the better team and deserved to win, I like the aggressive approach by Pak, but need to learn how to play according to the match situation, no need to try to swing at everything, after all we where chasing 170, now 225. I hope the coaching staff and team, can try to make the players better understand playing according to the match situation.
Well it seems to be a long standing problem with Pak cricket not playing according to the match situation and I am sure this issue was even before 2003.Been hearing this since 2003
key word should have....but its PAK cricket...this is same team that could not chase 120 vs India in 2024 world cupThey should have chased this score down.
And it’s unbelievable how these clowns online never mention this, yet blame him for everything wrong with our cricket. In the same breath, they claim to care so much about Test cricket.
But here’s the real issue: did the management ever even try giving Babar and Rizwan a chance in this so-called new template?
That’s your opinion, but it misses the nuance.I repeat myself for the umpteenth time.
Pakistan cricket is nothing without in form Babar, Rizwan and Shaheen in white ball cricket.
They have been at the heart of 90% of the white ball matches Pakistan have won in the last 5 years.
When they play well, Pakistan are a formidable side. When they don’t play well or are not in the team, Pakistan are weak.
The job of a coaching staff is to get the best out of these three players. You cannot hide from the reality.
These agendas will not work with these crap players and the sooner Hesson sees this, the better. Otherwise, he will die on this hill.
I am here. Fakhar and Haris are integral to Pakistani t20 side. These failures mean nothing as we build towards the brand of cricket Pakistan must play to compete.Where are the posters who mocked me when i said haris and fakhar dont deserve a place.
Haris by no means is an upgrade over rizwan.
36 year old Fakhar is finished. Can someone remind me a single match winning knock that he played in T20is throughout his career? And Haris, oh well I wouldn't waste my energy talking about such a 3rd class batter.I am here. Fakhar and Haris are integral to Pakistani t20 side. These failures mean nothing as we build towards the brand of cricket Pakistan must play to compete.
Babar azam and rizwan club level player’s fan wants them get booted so their fake king and rizwan can comebackI am here. Fakhar and Haris are integral to Pakistani t20 side. These failures mean nothing as we build towards the brand of cricket Pakistan must play to compete.
I really like Fakhar and still want to squeeze him into my XI, even if it means dropping a bowler/all rounder and just hoping he’ll click in a big game. But to have a balanced team, he has to take a back seat. You’re right, he’s getting older, and honestly, I can’t even remember the last time he played a proper match winning knock in T20Is. Gotta keep things fair and give chances to the ones who actually deserve it.36 year old Fakhar is finished. Can someone remind me a single match winning knock that he played in T20is throughout his career? And Haris, oh well I wouldn't waste my energy talking about such a 3rd class batter.
Haris is useless period, changing his spot is not going to make him better. He fails 9 out of 10 times. Rubbish player who sometimes scores by fluke. We can't even beat Afghanistan easily now, we are not convincing against a club level UAE . We have no chance against top tier teamsHaris is useless lower order needs to bat at 3
Especially Aamir he sounds like a donkey with a mic, very unpleasant voice.Ramiz & Aamir are extremely irritating ... 73/1 halfway
Come on Fakhar has played 100 T20 matches and is clearly worse than Rizbar and has worse dot ball and boundary %.Babar azam and rizwan club level player’s fan wants them get booted so their fake king and rizwan can comeback
Fakhar has played 100 T20 matches and has a worse dot ball and boundary % than both Rizbar.I am here. Fakhar and Haris are integral to Pakistani t20 side. These failures mean nothing as we build towards the brand of cricket Pakistan must play to compete.
point to be noted my lord.Fakhar has played 100 T20 matches and has a worse dot ball and boundary % than both Rizbar.
If you are trying to play an agressive brand of cricket, Fakhar is the opposite.
From the other thread - Fakhar's dot ball vs boundary %
IN they year 2025 - dot ball 42% boundary percentage 12%
In the year 2024 - 35% boundary percentage 21%
In the year 2023 - 38% boundary percentage 12%
In the year 2022 - 41% boundary percentage 12%
In the year 2021 - 38% boundary percentage 15%
In the year 2020 - 43% boundary percentage 7%
It's incredibly funny to me that you talk about attacking brand and hate Rizbar for low strike rate and dot balls and then support a batsman who is way worse.
I think Fakhar is judged based on his peak ability in the ODIs. That happens only in ODIs. Not in T20s where he cannot take a few balls before finding his groove. Format mix up. His T20 strike rate in power play is 123 in the year 2025. Played 78 balls scored 96 runs. If you look at this middle overs trike rate for this year, that is 53 balls 56 runs. Strike rate of 105.66. Once again 40% dot balls in the middle overs. This will impact the non striker too.Fakhar has played 100 T20 matches and has a worse dot ball and boundary % than both Rizbar.
If you are trying to play an agressive brand of cricket, Fakhar is the opposite.
From the other thread - Fakhar's dot ball vs boundary %
IN they year 2025 - dot ball 42% boundary percentage 12%
In the year 2024 - 35% boundary percentage 21%
In the year 2023 - 38% boundary percentage 12%
In the year 2022 - 41% boundary percentage 12%
In the year 2021 - 38% boundary percentage 15%
In the year 2020 - 43% boundary percentage 7%
It's incredibly funny to me that you talk about attacking brand and hate Rizbar for low strike rate and dot balls and then support a batsman who is way worse.
I am amazed that people are not presenting useless excuses that Haris is the number 3 player bla bla... O bhai, Haris needs to show that he is capable of even if he gets 1 over... So far, he has been clueless.. He has had enough tries already but still in the team because he knows how to swing the bat blindly by staying clueless. His game awareness is even worse than Mohammad Irfan.
Haris Rauf is a better batsman than Haris atm.
I would rest Fakhar because he is going nowhere atm... PLay haris at 3 in the next game because haris is useless against Spin.. totally useless.Haris seems to be only good for flat pitches. On juicy pitches and against good bowlers, he is likely to struggle. He is currently limited in terms of shots. He is Pakistani Konstas.
Haris should be dropped. I think Pakistan should make Farhan the keeper and play another batter.
Lol never saw u here..just like never saw these two looking decent in t20i.I am here. Fakhar and Haris are integral to Pakistani t20 side. These failures mean nothing as we build towards the brand of cricket Pakistan must play to compete.
What a stupid statement. Only 18 runs? Haris rauf fluked his way and that too cause afg didnt bother to complete Ghazanfar and gave Azmat an over.Salman Ali Agha at the post-match presentation:
"I think 170 was chaseable. The bowlers did well, but we lost too many wickets in the middle overs. At 60 for two after eight, we were in a good position but lost our way. Against quality spinners, if you give them a sniff, they’ll take it. We still lost by only 18 runs — with better batting in the middle, it could’ve been a different story."
Very trueAfghanistan is just a superior cricket team and a nation compared to Pakistan. Had CIA-ISI nexus not ruined that nation with terrorism, they would be ahead economically too. A great resilient civilization.
Your going to love it? Because you don’t really support PakistanCould have been 60 run defeat if Afghanistan did not get sloppy and drop the Pakistani tailenders multiple times, very lucky to make the score look respectable and not a true reflection of what happened. Pakistan was systematically out played again but this is inevitable with hacks like Haris and Nawaz in the team.
The Asia Cup is going to be fun
Says the hypocrite who wants Babar and Rizwan back.n ODIs, Fakhar’s style actually works because he has a bit more time to settle, watch the bowler, and figure out their line and length before going for the big shots. But T20 internationals are a different story
Your going to love it? Because you don’t really support Pakistan
I turned Rizwan into a problem or Rizwan exposed himself as a problem?I find it intriguing to see how useless this team really is without the players people like you turned into the problem.
We will struggle against this bowling in a couple of days (provided nothing goes horribly wrong tomorrow)Not happy with the defeat
But don’t mind it either. We need egos to be hurt. That’s how we will learn to buckle up and respond harder!
If you think Haris is better than the guy who has the most runs in T20 wins for Pakistan since 2020 then I have zero desire to debate with youI turned Rizwan into a problem or Rizwan exposed himself as a problem?
Is it my fault Pakistan are clearly much better without him?
Your guy can’t bat in the middle or at the back end.If you think Haris is better than the guy who has the most runs in T20 wins for Pakistan since 2020 then I have zero desire to debate with you
There will be bad daysWe will struggle against this bowling in a couple of days (provided nothing goes horribly wrong tomorrow)
Have to get better at executing the shots we played. Nothing more, nothing less. Yesterday was more about the quality of batting getting exposed in the face of good spin bowling, than anything to do with intent. Our boys just couldn't read them.
More losses are awaiting for you in The Asia cup. Keep the excuse Ready . Your ego will turn into a humiliation and you will not be able to recover from it.Not happy with the defeat
But don’t mind it either. We need egos to be hurt. That’s how we will learn to buckle up and respond harder!
Saim Ayub Babar Rizwan and Hasan Nawaz are better batting talents than anyone in Afgh side.
@topspin @RyanRyan10 @mominsaigol @shaz619
Thethought he can slip in Babar and Rizwan and no one will notice
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Not happy with the defeat
But don’t mind it either. We need egos to be hurt. That’s how we will learn to buckle up and respond harder!
What unnerves me a bit is the Pakistan players constantly cosying up to Rashid Khan before the game. As soon as the 2 minute silence pre game ended, you can see Fakhar straight away going to Rashid for some pre much lovey dovey, and then others followed!I think Fakhar & Salman were running away with it, if they stayed at the crease for another 4-5 overs, the rest wouldn’t have required so much. It’s all part of the learning curve and the least we can do is make the right choices in the first place to begin with and keep trying to get better.
Our spinners need to do better as well, but what on earth was that from Shaheen Anderson![]()
What unnerves me a bit is the Pakistan players constantly cosying up to Rashid Khan before the game. As soon as the 2 minute silence pre game ended, you can see Fakhar straight away going to Rashid for some pre much lovey dovey, and then others followed!
This is rubbish if you ask me! Look at the way the Afghan’s celebrate your wickets by looking right into the batters eyes with anger and passion. They are not your friends on the battle field!
We used to criticise Babar and Rizwan for this b@tty boy body language, so we need to be fair with these guys too. Fakhar in particular has been going around searching for Rashid Khan and looking for a kiss from him.
What unnerves me a bit is the Pakistan players constantly cosying up to Rashid Khan before the game. As soon as the 2 minute silence pre game ended, you can see Fakhar straight away going to Rashid for some pre much lovey dovey, and then others followed!
This is rubbish if you ask me! Look at the way the Afghan’s celebrate your wickets by looking right into the batters eyes with anger and passion. They are not your friends on the battle field!
We used to criticise Babar and Rizwan for this b@tty boy body language, so we need to be fair with these guys too. Fakhar in particular has been going around searching for Rashid Khan and looking for a kiss from him.
Tell this to @Rana . He bumped a 3 years old match thread just because his favourite tullebaaz players failed badly against AfghanistanSo everytime Pakistan loses fans will bump threads? Dude just grow up, winning and losing is a part of the game.
With ba/riz did we not lose to Ireland, USA, Zimbabwe?
Why is everyone acting like Pakistan were world class with ba/riz and now losing to bamgladesh in an away den and losing only once to Afghanistan but still leading the charts in the tri series is something that has never occurred before?
@Rana @topspin @shaz619 @RyanRyan10
58 balls not 65+Tell this to @Rana . He bumped a 3 years old match thread just because his favourite tullebaaz players failed badly against Afghanistan
Theses " Intent" marchent didn't even hit a single boundary for more than 65 balls in this game.
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Keeps the series interesting
yeh i think whether its 58 balls or 65 balls doesnt make a difference. Even if you say 58 balls, it still looks bad58 balls not 65+
Your poor maths has been exposed
Isn’t this what you Misbah fans love?yeh i think whether its 58 balls or 65 balls doesnt make a difference. Even if you say 58 balls, it still looks bad
Bruh, I need to expose this agenda. Sorry Major Bro, I respect you alot but this misconception needs to be exposed.yeh i think whether its 58 balls or 65 balls doesnt make a difference. Even if you say 58 balls, it still looks bad
Bhaijaan i respect u alot more haha <3Bruh, I need to expose this agenda. Sorry Major Bro, I respect you alot but this misconception needs to be exposed.
The 58 balls dot ignores the following events
Pakistan had lost Fakhar, Agha, Farhan and Saim. They were down 4 wickets with only muhammad nawaz, Hasan nawaz, and Muhammad haris and faheem left.
Neither of which are batters you would want to have before 10-12 overs are concluded (Excluding hasan nawaz who can slot in anywhere including opening)
Hasan Nawaz had a poor innings which happens to anyone, The rest may have failed but it is significantly harder to hit boundaries and rebuild when you are 4 down for 50 odd chasing 170 then when you are opening in a Powerplay and theirs no pressure.
That is why @Rana opened that thread to explain the analogy and something you guys are ignoring.
The reason I ignored @Devadwal And disnt explain it to him is cause he's too dumb lol.
But opening dot balls vs Fall of wickets dot balls are 2 seprate topics lol.
57 balls without a boundary.Hypocrites like @Major prefer 40-0 in the powerplay instead of 66-1
But then they have an issue with a team struggling to score a boundary for 58 balls outside of the powerplay
Yup would rather have Haris failing quickly than have Rizwan playing dots and taking opportunity away from others to win the game for Pakistan.Your guy can’t bat in the middle or at the back end.
Your guy is a liability as an opener
Yes I think Harris is better than Rizwan.
What do you mean what happened 3 years ago? You are degrading this young team because you want the besharams of 3 years ago to return!57 balls without a boundary.
You can keep ignoring that by talking about Misbah or what happened 3 years ago.
This is what happens when bolti band hojai
57 balls without a boundary is justified?What do you mean what happened 3 years ago? You are degrading this young team because you want the besharams of 3 years ago to return!
And you telling us you prefer 40/0 instead of 66-1 in the powerplay is justified????????57 balls without a boundary is justified?