Afghanistan attacks Pakistan

[Enigma_]

https://www.dawn.com/news/1331245/7...forces-open-fire-on-border-villages-in-chaman

Why the hell do we still have open borders? Need to bomb the hell out of this thankless kaum.

 

[big_gamer007]

What exactly is the bone of contention between Afghanistan and Pakistan? India pak is Kashmir why do afg-pak hate each other?

 

[Major]

What exactly is the bone of contention between Afghanistan and Pakistan? India pak is Kashmir why do afg-pak hate each other?

why wouldn't they? Us hiding bin laden, our agencies having been said to be linked in killed Ahmed Massoud.

 

[Enigma_]

What exactly is the bone of contention between Afghanistan and Pakistan? India pak is Kashmir why do afg-pak hate each other?

Afghanistan is hell on earth. Their people don't understand hospitality or friendship. They're a literal graveyard of the human species. All this brotherhood that gets sold out by everyone around here is disgraceful. At least India publicly acknowledges as a hostile nation. This nation is weak, pathetic and attacks from the back.

 

[big_gamer007]

why wouldn't they? Us hiding bin laden, our agencies having been said to be linked in killed Ahmed Massoud.

So they blame you for harbouring terrorists which is well known and not in control of your government but in control of ISI/army..

But don't you guys blame them for the same thing? For harbouring terrorists who attack Pakistan?

Basically both countries leaders blame each other rather than working together to eliminate the threats? Same old story everywhere it seems..

 

[big_gamer007]

Afghanistan is hell on earth. Their people don't understand hospitality or friendship. They're a literal graveyard of the human species. All this brotherhood that gets sold out by everyone around here is disgraceful. At least India publicly acknowledges as a hostile nation. This nation is weak, pathetic and attacks from the back.

Why don't both Afghanistan and Pakistan work together to fight the common enemies? Why don't you and afghanistani people ask your governments to work together to get rid of terrorism?

 

[Enigma_]

So they blame you for harbouring terrorists which is well known and not in control of your government but in control o loopf ISI/army..

But don't you guys blame them for the same thing? For harbouring terrorists who attack Pakistan?

Basically both countries leaders blame each other rather than working together to eliminate the threats? Same old story everywhere it seems..

Work together hahahaha! We have opened our hands many times to them. Heck we have virtually given their entire country refuge here for the last decade. The US puppett government doesnt even have control outside of Kabul. Pakistan is stupid because it doesnt realise that these people want to see us dead.

 

[Major]

So they blame you for harbouring terrorists which is well known and not in control of your government but in control of ISI/army..

But don't you guys blame them for the same thing? For harbouring terrorists who attack Pakistan?

Basically both countries leaders blame each other rather than working together to eliminate the threats? Same old story everywhere it seems..

exactly. but see who is involved? not the gov.

 

[big_gamer007]

Work together hahahaha! We have opened our hands many times to them. Heck we have virtually given their entire country refuge here for the last decade. The US puppett government doesnt even have control outside of Kabul. Pakistan is stupid because it doesnt realise that these people want to see us dead.

But they say the same thing? That you are sponsoring terrorism from your soil against them.. Why not you eliminate the terrorism/camps on your soil and they do the same on their side wouldn't it make both the countries a better place? Rather than sponsoring terrorism and training terrorists against each other to destabilise each other's countries while paying a price yourself?

Simple common sense and logic wouldn't you agree?

 

[Enigma_]

But they say the same thing? That you are sponsoring terrorism from your soil against them.. Why not you eliminate the terrorism/camps on your soil and they do the same on their side wouldn't it make both the countries a better place? Rather than sponsoring terrorism and training terrorists against each other to destabilise each other's countries while paying a price yourself?

Eliminate terrorists from our soil? Have you had your head in the sand for the last few years lol? We have run one of the most successful and taxing anti terrorist operations ever and we have succeeded but all of it can come crashing down because the real terrorist threat has always been Afghanistan. All of the terrorists in the last few years in Pakistan have all been exclusively afghanis.

 

[pakistan cricket fan]

Afghan firing in Torkham hours after nine martyred, 46 wounded in Chaman

TORKHAM (AFP/Dunya News) – Afghan forces resorted to unprovoked fire at Torkham border hours after claiming nine lives and leaving 46 wounded including civilians and Frontier Constabulary servicemen earlier in firing in Chaman on Friday.

Bab-e-Dosti among two border crossings were shut while Afghan chargé d affaires was lodged protest with in Islamabad by Foreign Office.

Afghan forces had opened fire in Chaman earlier where Pakistani census officials were carrying out a count.

The gunfight prompted Pakistani authorities to shut the Chaman border crossing, one of only two major crossing points along the disputed frontier, and threatens to exacerbate already tense relations between Islamabad and Kabul.

Know also: Army contingents leave for Chaman, census activities suspended

“Afghan border police opened fire on FC detailed for security of population census team," the Inter Services Public Relations (ISPR) said in a statement.

“Since 30th April, Afghan Border Police had been creating hurdles in conduct of census in divided villages of Killi Luqman and Killi Jahangir in Charnan area on Pakistani side of the border. This was done despite the fact that Afghan authorities had been informed well in advance and coordination was carried out through diplomatic and military channels for conduct of census,” Pakistan Army’s media wing added.

Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif condemned the causalities and directed authorities to provide medical aid to those injured.

According to the sources, Pak army’s retaliation resulted in killings of several Afghan soldiers.

A number of contingents of Pakistan Army were dispatched to Chaman while the air force was alerted.

http://dunyanews.tv/index.php/en/Pakistan/387019-Afghan-firing-in-Torkham-hours-after-nine-martyred

 

[pakistan cricket fan]

'Afghan forces set bad example by opening fire on instigation'

LAHORE (Dunya News) – Interior Minister Nisar said on Friday that Afghan forces set a bad example by opening unprovoked fire over instigation on villages beside Chaman Border in Pakistan, reported Dunya News.

Interior Minister Chaudhry Nisar Ali Khan made telephonic contact with Frontier Corps IG Major General Nadeem Ahmed Anjum who told him it all started when Afghan forces opened unprovoked fire on security forces deployed for census activities.

Army contingents leave for Chaman, census activities suspended

According to Interior Ministry spokesperson, Anjum briefed Nisar on the Chaman issue.

Nisar expressed grief over the loss of innocent lives and told Afghanistan government and security agencies are unable to handle their own country, adding that they had set a terrible example by unprovoked firing at civilians. Also, he said that such incidents would not be tolerated from onwards.

He praised the Pakistani forces for making Afghan firing ineffective by retaliation. Nisar prayed for quick recovery of injured and paid condolences to relatives of the martyred people.

http://dunyanews.tv/index.php/en/Pakistan/387021-Afghan-forces-set-bad-example-by-opening-fire-on-

 

[enkidu_]

The miscreants are killing their children on both sides with drones more comfortably than they get rid off flies but they still are bent over destroying each other.

Nationalism is truly a disease, and it's because of such psychic jahiliyah that the 'ummah is in such state right now.

 

[Subaltern]

The miscreants are killing their children on both sides with drones more comfortably than they get rid off flies but they still are bent over destroying each other.

Nationalism is truly a disease, and it's because of such psychic jahiliyah that the 'ummah is in such state right now.

Nationalism is a far more educated viewpoint than that of a common identity based on sky-God that no one has ever seen. A Pakistani and an Egyptian's interests are vastly different due to geography. Just being muslim doesn't mean anything apart from having the same sky-God. Interests of people are defined by geography, not random belief systems. This is why nationalism is a far stronger identity than religion for the majority of world's population.

 

[enkidu_]

Nationalism is a far more educated viewpoint than that of a common identity based on sky-God that no one has ever seen. A Pakistani and an Egyptian's interests are vastly different due to geography. Just being muslim doesn't mean anything apart from having the same sky-God. Interests of people are defined by geography, not random belief systems. This is why nationalism is a far stronger identity than religion for the majority of world's population.

Hermann Rauschning in his famous book of private meetings with Adolf Hitler brings an interesting trivia : Herr Führer admitted that he didn't believe "race" was a "scientific reality", but he used it as stratagem in order to defuse "nationalism" ; he said nationalism was a bourgeois idea of 19th century Europe.

Lenin replaced Hitler's metaphysical "racialism" with a mystique of the "party", and his hate for Jews with the deep contempt for the bourgeois, but the idea was the same : to give a more transcendental food to the spirit of the workers, to surpass their ego for the greater cause (which is... jihad, basically).

I believe Islam's notion of 'ummah is superior to whatever Hitler or Lenin ever came up, and ultimately Muslims will return to it.

Stay tuned.

 

[Saeed]

These arrogant puppets need to be taught a lesson. If they do it again all military targets along the border should be destroyed. What's the point of spending so much money on military if drug addict military can attack you whenever it wants.

 

[bleaf27]

You wouldn't wanna mess with Afghanistan fellas , if US couldn't take em down , Pakistan sure as hell cant

 

[Subaltern]

Hermann Rauschning in his famous book of private meetings with Adolf Hitler brings an interesting trivia : Herr Führer admitted that he didn't believe "race" was a "scientific reality", but he used it as stratagem in order to defuse "nationalism" ; he said nationalism was a bourgeois idea of 19th century Europe.

Lenin replaced Hitler's metaphysical "racialism" with a mystique of the "party", and his hate for Jews with the deep contempt for the bourgeois, but the idea was the same : to give a more transcendental food to the spirit of the workers, to surpass their ego for the greater cause (which is... jihad, basically).

I believe Islam's notion of 'ummah is superior to whatever Hitler or Lenin ever came up, and ultimately Muslims will return to it.

Stay tuned.

Hitler was wrong, so is the ummah. You are the color you are, because where you and your ancestors have lived for thousands of years.
Whether you figured out how to we've silk or dive for pearls, its all about your surroundings.
Your interests are determined by your surroundings. Religion or no religion, a man from Somalia is far likelier to share common interests with a man from Yemen, than a man from Iceland.
Those are empiric realities, no amount of brainwashing can ultimately change.

And that is why, 'ummah unity' is a pipe dream and hasn't been true for over a thousand years. Because ummah and arbitrary notions of morality made by men to propagate an unseen, unknown God changes all the time. Geo-political interests, do not. That is why nation > ummah.

 

[SandyB]

But you have a lot of Afghans coming to India as well for education etc. So the whole nation couldn't be warring tribes ?

 

[enkidu_]

Hitler was wrong, so is the ummah. You are the color you are, because where you and your ancestors have lived for thousands of years.
Whether you figured out how to we've silk or dive for pearls, its all about your surroundings.
Your interests are determined by your surroundings. Religion or no religion, a man from Somalia is far likelier to share common interests with a man from Yemen, than a man from Iceland.
Those are empiric realities, no amount of brainwashing can ultimately change.

And that is why, 'ummah unity' is a pipe dream and hasn't been true for over a thousand years. Because ummah and arbitrary notions of morality made by men to propagate an unseen, unknown God changes all the time. Geo-political interests, do not. That is why nation > ummah.

Whoever has witnessed Islamic history knows it's untrue. A Muslim will always resonate with another Muslim despite the cultural differences ; even if modern Muslims are into jahiliyya (ignorance) because of Western imported ideologies, look at the hajj in Mecca, how emotion the richest Saudi gets when he gets closer to the poorest Somali. Everyone has witnessed such spirit, which pushed Malcolm X towards mainstream Islam. We just have to revive this spirit on a larger scale.

If you read old historians from Europe, they always said the same : the famous German philosopher-traveller, count von Keyserling, who roamed all around Europe at the beginning of the last century, said that there was an "Islamic type", that is, independently of your race there's something Islamic about you. He explicitly quoted the case, in Istanbul, of the Turk and the Greek, who though of the same races, display different qualities (as he said, the Turk is more chivalrous and virile and the Greek more commercial and cunning.)

Even the most nationalist Arabs like Nasser knew it, that's why Islam always played a role in their ideology.

 

[Slog]

What exactly is the bone of contention between Afghanistan and Pakistan? India pak is Kashmir why do afg-pak hate each other?

They say KPK should be part if afganustan and that pakistan is bringing trouble in their country as if it needs more

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

You wouldn't wanna mess with Afghanistan fellas , if US couldn't take em down , Pakistan sure as hell cant

Pakistan can do damage to Afghanistan, far more than vice versa, but you are correct, it would be senseless to get into a war with the Afghans, most of their society don't have much to lose so to them it's no hardship to live in perpetual warfare.

This is where I agree with Enkidu, Pakistan needs to foster relations with Afghans based on Muslim brotherhood, that is the value that both countries can respect. Obviously the Russians, Indians, and Americans will have their own agendas, but that shouldn't be allowed to cause a damaging rift between two countries which share ethnic and religious ties, and more importantly, borders.

 

[Subaltern]

Whoever has witnessed Islamic history knows it's untrue. A Muslim will always resonate with another Muslim despite the cultural differences ; even if modern Muslims are into jahiliyya (ignorance) because of Western imported ideologies, look at the hajj in Mecca, how emotion the richest Saudi gets when he gets closer to the poorest Somali. Everyone has witnessed such spirit, which pushed Malcolm X towards mainstream Islam. We just have to revive this spirit on a larger scale.

If you read old historians from Europe, they always said the same : the famous German philosopher-traveller, count von Keyserling, who roamed all around Europe at the beginning of the last century, said that there was an "Islamic type", that is, independently of your race there's something Islamic about you. He explicitly quoted the case, in Istanbul, of the Turk and the Greek, who though of the same races, display different qualities (as he said, the Turk is more chivalrous and virile and the Greek more commercial and cunning.)

Even the most nationalist Arabs like Nasser knew it, that's why Islam always played a role in their ideology.

You clearly don't know muslim or any history if you think that is true.
Who brought down the Caliphate ? it was Mahmoud of Ghazni - when he broke rank with the Abbasids and destroyed the Samanids. Where was the ummah then ?
Everyone think that the Mongols destroyed the Caliphate and yes, Mongols delivered the final blow. But long before the Mongols came, the caliphate had fractured...surprise surprise, along geo-strategic lines. The ones in west Africa did what they felt like, the ones in Egypt and levant did what they felt like, Iraq remained 'home base to Abbasids', Iran onwards, the eastern domains did what it felt like.
Muslims have killed more muslims throughout history than except perhaps Indians. Timur- a staunch muslim- utterly annihilated Tokhtamysh- another muslim and ruined the Golden horde. Surprise surprise, a central Asian polity went all war-mode on a political entity based in southern Russia. Timur KO-ed the Turks and delayed their march on Constantinople by a century - surprise surprise, a polity based in Iran-western Afghanistan wanted to KO a polity based in Turkey- just like the Romans-Sassanids and Turk-Safavids.

What is 'jahilliya', is to expect people will set aside their common goals and interests in the name of some arbitrary God. Just coz a book said so.
It is geo-politics that unites and divides people, along geo-political lines. Always have, always will. And that is because random concepts of unknown God comes and goes, but geo-politics stays. No matter what religion they are, people in Singapore will ALWAYS value sea-borne trade over land based trade. And no matter what religion Saudi Arabia are, they will value export trade over manufactured trade. Geo politics.

 

[enkidu_]

You clearly don't know muslim or any history if you think that is true.
Who brought down the Caliphate ? it was Mahmoud of Ghazni - when he broke rank with the Abbasids and destroyed the Samanids. Where was the ummah then ?

Everyone think that the Mongols destroyed the Caliphate and yes, Mongols delivered the final blow. But long before the Mongols came, the caliphate had fractured...surprise surprise, along geo-strategic lines. The ones in west Africa did what they felt like, the ones in Egypt and levant did what they felt like, Iraq remained 'home base to Abbasids', Iran onwards, the eastern domains did what it felt like.

Everyone think that the Mongols destroyed the Caliphate and yes, Mongols delivered the final blow. But long before the Mongols came, the caliphate had fractured...surprise surprise, along geo-strategic lines. But long before the Mongols came, the caliphate had fractured...surprise surprise, along geo-strategic lines. The ones in west Africa did what they felt like, the ones in Egypt and levant did what they felt like, Iraq remained 'home base to Abbasids', Iran onwards, the eastern domains did what it felt like.

Mahmud of Ghazni didn't harm Abbassids. Abbassids authority was nominal already since the 8th century when their armies was filled with Turks and their administration with Persians : the former would lay down the birth of the Sejlukid dynasty while the latter the Buyids. The Abbassids where already lost and limited to Baghdad when in 1258 the Mongols delivered the final blow, and modern researchers say that it didn't even have the impact we for long thought it had, considered Baghdad already fell behind Cairo and Damascus ; in fact the Latin states of the crusaders too didn't bother too much.

The Umayyads in Al Andalus (who themselves would got divided into many taifas during the 13th century, through jahiliyyah) or Fatimids fighting Abbassids was indeed geopolitics, but that was already a jahiliyya, fighting for families over Islam, and I'm critical of such period, because dynastic ruler-ship inaugurated by the Umayyads was never meant to be in Islam.

I doesn't change the fact that on an individual level (not materialistic rulers aiming for materialistic gains) the Islamic identity has always been focal.

Otherwise you could also have given a more expressive example for us, that of the Mughals, who took power of the SC in Delhi not so much by fighting Hindus as they did wrestling the (Pashtun Islamic) dynasty of the Lodis.

Muslims have killed more muslims throughout history than except perhaps Indians.

Any people kill itself more than anyone else, for geographic proximity if anything : Europeans have fought the gruesomest wars against each other, the Thirty Years civil wars (1618-1648) which in many regions of Germany decimated half of the population up to the last century wars they have globalized.

Do you believe in Koenraad Elst's "Hindu holocaust" ? Another myth to embrace ?

Timur- a staunch muslim- utterly annihilated Tokhtamysh- another muslim and ruined the Golden horde. Surprise surprise, a central Asian polity went all war-mode on a political entity based in southern Russia. Timur KO-ed the Turks and delayed their march on Constantinople by a century - surprise surprise, a polity based in Iran-western Afghanistan wanted to KO a polity based in Turkey- just like the Romans-Sassanids and Turk-Safavids.

The Golden Horde was already decaying because of internal rifts, and when Timur attacked the Ottomans of Bayezid, he did in the name of other Turks - the Sejlukids - who were dominating there. He didn't delay the march on Constantinople by a century, but at most two decades (as he was aiming for the Levant himself) - Byzantine was already clinically dead when a Sejluk, Alp Arslan, launched attacks nearly two centuries ago, which would trigger the crusades, and what will definitely deprive Byzantium of its glory and inaugurate the later 1453 conquest of teenager Mehmet II is the fourth crusade (thank you Catholics, Turks could say).

The Ottoman-Safavid wars are jahiliya.

What is 'jahilliya', is to expect people will set aside their common goals and interests in the name of some arbitrary God. Just coz a book said so.
It is geo-politics that unites and divides people, along geo-political lines. Always have, always will. And that is because random concepts of unknown God comes and goes, but geo-politics stays. No matter what religion they are, people in Singapore will ALWAYS value sea-borne trade over land based trade. And no matter what religion Saudi Arabia are, they will value export trade over manufactured trade. Geo politics.

When prophet Muhammad (pbuh) conquered the Arabian peninsula he didn't favour one group over the other (proletariat over bourgeois, Aryans over non Aryans, etc) ; he take all of their diverse interests towards an unifying (tawhid) goal : the supremacy of Allah (swt). He basically defused all political and potentially geopolitical equations. That's the true jihad against internal idols, and that's what we must revive.

 

[bleaf27]

Pakistan can do damage to Afghanistan, far more than vice versa, but you are correct, it would be senseless to get into a war with the Afghans, most of their society don't have much to lose so to them it's no hardship to live in perpetual warfare.

This is where I agree with Enkidu, Pakistan needs to foster relations with Afghans based on Muslim brotherhood, that is the value that both countries can respect. Obviously the Russians, Indians, and Americans will have their own agendas, but that shouldn't be allowed to cause a damaging rift between two countries which share ethnic and religious ties, and more importantly, borders.

If you believe in this , then India has more muslims than Pakistan thus Pakistan should become an Indian province based on muslim brotherhood ?
When it comes to nationalist values - religion does not matter

 

[Subaltern]

Mahmud of Ghazni didn't harm Abbassids. Abbassids authority was nominal already since the 8th century when their armies was filled with Turks and their administration with Persians : the former would lay down the birth of the Sejlukid dynasty while the latter the Buyids. The Abbassids where already lost and limited to Baghdad when in 1258 the Mongols delivered the final blow, and modern researchers say that it didn't even have the impact we for long thought it had, considered Baghdad already fell behind Cairo and Damascus ; in fact the Latin states of the crusaders too didn't bother too much.

Mahmoud of Ghazni CLEARLY overrode Abbasid authority to destroy the Samanids.
Showing that geo-politics matters more than the Ummah.

I doesn't change the fact that on an individual level (not materialistic rulers aiming for materialistic gains) the Islamic identity has always been focal.

Nobody cares about 'individual level'. History is made at national/collective level, not individual level. And at collective level, geo-politics has always been #1. Not religious nonsense based identities.

Do you believe in Koenraad Elst's "Hindu holocaust" ? Another myth to embrace ?

Given that i've read the first hand accounts of Al-uthbi, Al Biruni and several other Islamic scholars boasting of the genocide of Hindus, i see no reason to not believe them.

The Golden Horde was already decaying because of internal rifts, and when Timur attacked the Ottomans of Bayezid, he did in the name of other Turks - the Sejlukids - who were dominating there. He didn't delay the march on Constantinople by a century, but at most two decades (as he was aiming for the Levant himself) - Byzantine was already clinically dead when a Sejluk, Alp Arslan, launched attacks nearly two centuries ago, which would trigger the crusades, and what will definitely deprive Byzantium of its glory and inaugurate the later 1453 conquest of teenager Mehmet II is the fourth crusade (thank you Catholics, Turks could say).

The Ottoman-Safavid wars are jahiliya.

The point is not why they were attacked- obviously internal strength/weakness makes for a moment of choosing of attacks. But what CAUSES attacks, is geo-politics. The Golden horde, is a direct competitor to the Timurids for silk route trades. By destroying the Golden horde, Timur ensured that the trading outposts of black sea coast would be gone and trade would be routed through Iran, who's gateway was the Timurid domains. Again, geo-politics.
Same way, Ottoman-Safavid conflict was simple continuation of conflict of Turkey based polity that control the gateway to mediterranean (from Asia) and Iran based polity that controls the overland trade routes from India and China.
It happened before muslims came around, it happened during the almost entire length of muslim history and it will happen too if islam is gone. Because Geo-politics rules over all.

When prophet Muhammad (pbuh) conquered the Arabian peninsula he didn't favour one group over the other (proletariat over bourgeois, Aryans over non Aryans, etc) ; he take all of their diverse interests towards an unifying (tawhid) goal : the supremacy of Allah (swt). He basically defused all political and potentially geopolitical equations. That's the true jihad against internal idols, and that's what we must revive.

And that is destined to fail. As history shows us. Because, as i said, a society's interests are defined by geo-politics. Not by religion. Its geopolitical considerations that makes a society powerful or powerless, rich or poor. Religious unity does nothing more than assure an individual, insecure human being that he/she isn't alone and there are others like him. Kumbaya and all. The rich and powerful don't need that reassurance, all they care for, is geo-politics. And that is what determines rise and fall of society.

And perhaps this is why Islamic nations are so backwards and behind the times- they have hamstrung themselves by putting nonsensical considerations like religious unity over things that matter - geopolitics.
And that is why i call umma-considerations as jahilliya.

 

[Subaltern]

If you believe in this , then India has more muslims than Pakistan thus Pakistan should become an Indian province based on muslim brotherhood ?
When it comes to nationalist values - religion does not matter

India used to have more muslims than Pakistan, not anymore. Its because Indian muslims aren't breeding like hamsters as much and their birth rates are coming down, as sensibility prevails. Most Pakistanis are still stuck in the previous, dead jahilliya world of pre-industrial societies, where you make as many babies as possible and leave the rest to Allah.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

If you believe in this , then India has more muslims than Pakistan thus Pakistan should become an Indian province based on muslim brotherhood ?
When it comes to nationalist values - religion does not matter

Why do you think Bangladesh has been fenced off and India has never tried to conquer Pakistan despite having all the military advantage? Either they fear the might of the Pakistan army so much they don't dare contemplating setting foot on Pakistan territory, or they fear the consequences of a doubling of their own Muslim voice even more. I think you know the answer.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

India used to have more muslims than Pakistan, not anymore. Its because Indian muslims aren't breeding like hamsters as much and their birth rates are coming down, as sensibility prevails. Most Pakistanis are still stuck in the previous, dead jahilliya world of pre-industrial societies, where you make as many babies as possible and leave the rest to Allah.

It might also be because India's hindus are migrating like pigeons and flying to every corner of the globe. You can find them in the West Indies, Britain, Africa, even the Arab Emirates. Imagine the population dilemma if they all stayed home in India.

 

[Subaltern]

Why do you think Bangladesh has been fenced off and India has never tried to conquer Pakistan despite having all the military advantage? Either they fear the might of the Pakistan army so much they don't dare contemplating setting foot on Pakistan territory, or they fear the consequences of a doubling of their own Muslim voice even more. I think you know the answer.

1. Because unlike Pakistan, we are not genociders, so what are we going to do with nearly 200 million hostile Pakistanis ?

2. What has Pakistan to offer India by the way of conquest ? Even if we conquer Pakistan, Afghanistan still remains a basket case and our only entry-point to Central/Western Asia by land.

3. Pakistan is poor in natural resources, poor in manufacturing, poor in services. Poor in agriculture. In all the above,Pakistan is vastly inferior to India. So what are we going to get, for spending billions of dollars and thousands of lives conquering Pakistan ?

If India attacks Paksitan, the only reason would be a round 2 dismemberment.
Not conquest. One needs an objective reason for conquest in the modern world, especially democracies.

 

[Subaltern]

It might also be because India's hindus are migrating like pigeons and flying to every corner of the globe. You can find them in the West Indies, Britain, Africa, even the Arab Emirates. Imagine the population dilemma if they all stayed home in India.

Hardly, the migrant numbers are a drop in the bucket compared to overall population growth in a country that adds 20-30 million people every year. However, the vastly more sustainable birth rates in India are the direct reason why Pakistani muslim population is now greater than that in India.

 

[TSA321]

Hardly, the migrant numbers are a drop in the bucket compared to overall population growth in a country that adds 20-30 million people every year. However, the vastly more sustainable birth rates in India are the direct reason why Pakistani muslim population is now greater than that in India.

It's actually the complete opposite. Pak has always had a slightly higher Muslim population than India, but India's Muslim population is projected to overtake both Pakistan's and even Indonesia's by 2050, due to higher fertility rates and immigration from Bangladesh. http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...ds-largest-populations-of-hindus-and-muslims/

 

[srh]

Thank you Musharaf Only if he is given capital punishment along with his cronies then things will improve

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Hardly, the migrant numbers are a drop in the bucket compared to overall population growth in a country that adds 20-30 million people every year. However, the vastly more sustainable birth rates in India are the direct reason why Pakistani muslim population is now greater than that in India.

It might be a drop in the ocean to you, but in countries where the white population are voting for Brexit and Trump in order to preserve their heritage from being swamped by immigrants those figures aren't insubstantial. Please read up on Theresa May's refusal to lift restrictions on Indian immigrants during her tour to India.

 

[Subaltern]

It might be a drop in the ocean to you, but in countries where the white population are voting for Brexit and Trump in order to preserve their heritage from being swamped by immigrants those figures aren't insubstantial. Please read up on Theresa May's refusal to lift restrictions on Indian immigrants during her tour to India.

It is a drop in the ocean compared to the overall population growth rates. Ie, its stupid to blame lower Muslim population in India due to 'migration'.

 

[Gabbar Singh]

Inspector General (IG) Frontier Corps (FC) Balochistan Maj Gen Nadeem Anjum on Sunday claimed that 50 Afghan security personnel were killed and another 100 injured as Pakistani forces retaliated to unprovoked firing by Afghan border forces on security personnel in Balochistan's Chaman area last week.

He added, however, that "we are not happy over their losses since they are our Muslim brothers".

https://www.dawn.com/news/1331637/5...ry-firing-to-chaman-cross-border-attack-ig-fc

 

[czar]

https://www.dawn.com/news/1331637/5...ry-firing-to-chaman-cross-border-attack-ig-fc

Afghanistan has rubbished the claim.

 

[GujjarLife]

Instead of attacking Pakistani census workers, Afghanistan should try to fight Taliban. They just captured a new district and will takeover Kunduz once again. But the Afghan elite doesn't care about that. They want to escalate with Pakistan in a stupid move that will backfire. Also, Afghans always downplay their own losses. Just look at the figurer they gave out after Balkh & MOAB.

Our elite also need to stop with their Afghan appeasement.

 

[pakistan cricket fan]

Hope they get a fitting replay.

 

[Specialisttailender]

Just watched a Tamil movie, the hero is a fighter pilot and his fighter jet is shut down during the kargil war. He is captured by Pakistani military and jailed in Rawalpindi jail. He manages to escape after about 8-9 years. Climax involves him trying to reach Afghanistan so he can get sent back to India. He avoided crossing Pak-India border as there would be heavy security. I thought about this thread while watching it ).

 

[pakistan cricket fan]

Pakistan, Afghanistan agree to border demarcation in flag meeting

CHAMAN: Afghanistan and Pakistan military authorities have decided to determine geographical boundaries of their areas during the third flag meeting at Bab-e-Dosti border on Sunday.

The Pakistani delegation was led by FC Commander North Sector Brigadier Nadeem Sohail and Afghanistan’s delegation was headed by Colonel Muhammad Sharif.

The meeting was also attended by Pakistan and Afghanistan’s geological survey teams.

During the meeting, the geological experts decided that survey of Killi Luqman and Killi Jahangir will be conducted. They mutually agreed upon using Google and geological maps to conduct the survey.

The survey of the areas has already started and will be completed in two to three days.

After the survey is completed, a report will be sent to Islamabad and Kabul. The decision to open the border will also be made once the survey is completed, decided the meeting participants.

The meeting, which lasted for more than two hours, also discussed other issues pertaining to the Pakistan and Afghanistan border.

Read more: Army destroys five Afghan posts after forces attempt to enter Pakistan

Earlier in the day, Commander Southern Command Lieutenant General Amir Riaz said that the PakistaChaman firing: Pak, Afghan authorities moot over control of border areasn army had to destroy four to five Afghan posts after Afghan forces attempted to enter Pakistan.

"Anyone who tries to make Pakistan's territory disputed will face similar consequences," Lt. General Riaz said while speaking to media outlets in Chaman.

Over 50 Afghan soldiers were killed and more than 100 injured when Pakistan retaliated to unprovoked firing and shelling by Afghan forces at Chaman border, Balochistan Frontier Corps Inspector General Major General Nadeem Ahmed said on Sunday.

Read more: Chaman firing: Pak, Afghan authorities moot over control of border areas

On Saturday, Pakistani and Afghan authorities mooted over the control of areas — Killi Luqman and Killi Jahangir — affected during firing and shelling by Afghan forces on Friday, which ended in a stalemate.

During the second meeting after the firing incident at the border, Afghan authorities were of the view that Killi Luqman and Killi Jahangir fell under their jurisdiction, sources said. But Pakistani authorities said the areas were situated within the Pakistani territory which could be verified from Google maps.

At least 11 people were martyred and 46 injured early Friday when Afghan border forces opened fire on Frontier Corps Balochistan soldiers deployed for security of census team near the Chaman border.

Read more: Chaman firing: Residents asked to immediately vacate border villages

In response to the firing, people living in villages situated near the Chaman border started to move out to safer places after authorities advised it was no longer safe for them to stay.

According to relevant officials, nearly 10,000 locals have left their houses so far. There are around 8-10 villages situated on the border belt; according to the Provincial Disaster Management Authority, 2,000 homes were affected by the shelling and firing. PDMA also distributed relief goods among the affected people

The Bab-e-Dosti gate situated on the Pakistan-Afghanistan border at Chaman remained closed on the third day following the firing incident.

Pakistan Army and FC personnel were deployed at the border to monitor the situation and also stop people from crossing the border. Even trucks carrying goods are not being allowed to cross the border.

https://www.geo.tv/latest/140860-Fl...an-Pakistan-military-under-way-at-Bab-e-Dosti

 

[Zak_Fan]

Afghanistan has rubbished the claim.

So Pakistan army is lying?

 

[AFG_Brit]

So Pakistan army is lying?

Yes they are. Please check afghan ambassador to Pakistan's twitter and also official presidential Twitter account, they have said only 2 soldiers were killed.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

So Pakistan army is lying?

Or Afghan spokesman are lying.

 

[Enigma_]

Or Afghan spokesman are lying.

Please don't be ridiculous. The Afghanis are the most honest and truthful people alive.

 

[pakistan cricket fan]

The world as he knew it ended the day Afghans attacked Chaman

The world, as I had known it, ended for me then and there when I saw the blood-stained clothes of my innocent kids, narrated Abdul Hadi with tears in his eyes, the ill-fated father of the two kids who lost their lives when Afghan forces attacked their village in Chaman on Friday.

Eight-year-old Nazia and nine-year-old Fareedullah were playing when a mortar shell hit their mud-walled house in Killi Ghazni, located almost two kilometres from Pak-Afghan border.

“I was in Chaman bazar when my mobile phone rang. I was told that a mortar shell hit my house,” Hadi said while describing the horrific scenes, his family had gone through.

“The mortar shell fired by Afghan border force also injured my other son and three nephews,” said Hadi as he burst into tears while narrating his ordeal.

"I want peace and no further bloodshed," says Hadi.—Hyder Bakkhsh Chandio
"I want peace and no further bloodshed," says Hadi.—Hyder Bakkhsh Chandio
The mortar shell also damaged his mud-walled house located near the Afghan border. The four injured children were rushed to Quetta for medical treatment. The doctors described the condition of the kids, aged between seven to ten years, as out of danger.

"When I reached home, the injured kids were being shifted to the hospital," he recalled the movement as his voice cracks as result of sheer agony he was facing.

Abdul Hadi, 48, drives a rickshaw, commonly known as a Zarang, on rent in Chaman and his family is living in extremely poor conditions.

Poverty reflected from the quality of clothes worn by the injured kids and the condition of the poorly constructed mud-walled house.

"I want peace and no further bloodshed," he cried while concluding the tale of his ordeal.

A mortar shell hit their mud-walled house in Killi Ghazni. —Hyder Bakkhsh Chandio
A mortar shell hit their mud-walled house in Killi Ghazni. —Hyder Bakkhsh Chandio
At least nine people were killed and over 40 others injured as Afghan border forces opened fire on security personnel guarding a census team in Balochistan's Chaman area on Friday.

Chaman Civil Hospital's medical superintendent Dr Akhtar had said that five children and three women were among those killed.

"Since April 30, Afghan Border Police had been creating hurdles in [the] conduct of census in divided villages of Killi Luqman and Killi Jahangir in Chaman area, on Pakistani side of the border," the military's media wing had said.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1331641/the-world-as-he-knew-it-ended-the-day-afghans-attacked-chaman

 

[pakistan cricket fan]

shameless afghan border police targeting innocent civilians
Hope they get a befitting replay.

 

[Zak_Fan]

Or Afghan spokesman are lying.

Likely, but I am a little biased against Pakistan army, so I see it as them lying.

 

[Lonewarrior]

Last time afghan forces tried to do same stupidity, and thn this happend.
is this also a lie ?

LOL

http://www.khaama.com/pakistani-forces-violate-zero-line-move-forward-500-meters-inside-nuristan-01109

Afghan forces should look after the Kabul, becoz once it falls. there will be no "friends" left to support them inside afghanistan ....

 

[Pakpak]

Likely, but I am a little biased against Pakistan army, so I see it as them lying.

Pakistanis have been bombing Eastern Afghanistan for entirety of this year (incase you doubt me google it, it was covered by all Western media and Afghans themselves), I believe they complained to the UN as well so I am not surprised there was this event, though its entirely stupid. Last time Afghanistan tried this trick at Torkham it cost them dearly in the days that followed.

I am unsure as to what triggered this, probably a lot of miscommunication. With Hemaktyaar or whatever his name is returning to Kabul they are in a big state of uncertainty.

 

[Zak_Fan]

Pakistanis have been bombing Eastern Afghanistan for entirety of this year (incase you doubt me google it, it was covered by all Western media and Afghans themselves), I believe they complained to the UN as well so I am not surprised there was this event, though its entirely stupid. Last time Afghanistan tried this trick at Torkham it cost them dearly in the days that followed.

I am unsure as to what triggered this, probably a lot of miscommunication. With Hemaktyaar or whatever his name is returning to Kabul they are in a big state of uncertainty.

Afganistan have always been quite transparent about the losses they have taken, so I don't understand why they will deny it now. Also, after India's (real or fake) surgical strikes, Pakistan made similar claims about killing 18-20 Indian soldiers, I think your media even released a video. That didn't happen, so this too could be another planted story by Pakistani army to reassure your awaam. Let's keep our minds upon.

 

[Pakpak]

Afganistan have always been quite transparent about the losses they have taken, so I don't understand why they will deny it now. Also, after India's (real or fake) surgical strikes, Pakistan made similar claims about killing 18-20 Indian soldiers, I think your media even released a video. That didn't happen, so this too could be another planted story by Pakistani army to reassure your awaam. Let's keep our minds upon.

I am not talking about the losses or Pakistan army's claims of 50 dead or denials? So I am unsure why you're telling me all that? I am providing some background on this current problem.

 

[Zak_Fan]

I am not talking about the losses or Pakistan army's claims of 50 dead or denials? So I am unsure why you're telling me all that? I am providing some background on this current problem.

Oh, the post you quoted and your first paragraph seemed connected as if to suggest that previous bombings somehow prove the legitimacy of recent claims. Sorry in case I misunderstood.

 

[Pakpak]

Oh, the post you quoted and your first paragraph seemed connected as if to suggest that previous bombings somehow prove the legitimacy of recent claims. Sorry in case I misunderstood.

No, I meant to say that Pakistan has been bombing them for the past year, in my view legitimately but that is another topic. But if I were to take my blindfold off then I am not surprised they have fired this time too, even though it will cost them probably. Shame though when innocents are killed, I said the same thing whenever someone posted of civilian causalities as a result of our attacks.

 

[Saeed]

shameless afghan border police targeting innocent civilians
Hope they get a befitting replay.

They are just ordinary people, if Pakistan was paying there salaries they would side with Pakistan. Raziq Achakzai is behind this nonsense. If this happens again he should be dealt with.

 

[pakistan cricket fan]

They are just ordinary people, if Pakistan was paying there salaries they would side with Pakistan. Raziq Achakzai is behind this nonsense. If this happens again he should be dealt with.

Sinds you took his name i have google it.
And he is