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After the Faizabad fiasco, how does it feel to be a minority in Pakistan now?

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A light change in better human rights for a certain group ended up in this situation. This fiasco has proved one thing, if anyone tries to create better outcomes for the minorities there will be chaos, thus future politicians will not be touching such topics for the next 20 years.

How does it feel to be minority in this country now?
 
Let alone actual minorities being under threat, even moderate Sunni's should tread carefully now with the rise of religious extremism and fanaticism in Pakistan. Even starting a debate over the blasphemy law or simply mentioning the rights of Ahmedis or other non-muslims can get you killed in todays Pakistan. Mashal Khan being the last prominent victim of mob violence in the name of "Ishq-e-rasool".
 
Let alone actual minorities being under threat, even moderate Sunni's should tread carefully now with the rise of religious extremism and fanaticism in Pakistan. Even starting a debate over the blasphemy law or simply mentioning the rights of Ahmedis or other non-muslims can get you killed in todays Pakistan. Mashal Khan being the last prominent victim of mob violence in the name of "Ishq-e-rasool".
3 days ago i did a presentation on this subject in my class.

Many felt uneasy with me considering ahmedi's as muslim.

still alive for now though...
 
A light change in better human rights for a certain group ended up in this situation. This fiasco has proved one thing, if anyone tries to create better outcomes for the minorities there will be chaos, thus future politicians will not be touching such topics for the next 20 years.

How does it feel to be minority in this country now?

Not that we treat minorities with huge respect but case of Ahmadis is different. Even they don't consider themselves as minority and non Ahmadis don't consider Ahmadis as Muslims which makes it a unique case.
 
Not that we treat minorities with huge respect but case of Ahmadis is different. Even they don't consider themselves as minority and non Ahmadis don't consider Ahmadis as Muslims which makes it a unique case.

either way, their human rights are violated.
 
I still don’t really understand the uproar about this. They only changed two words so I don’t understand how it makes any difference to the form.
 
3 days ago i did a presentation on this subject in my class.

Many felt uneasy with me considering ahmedi's as muslim.

still alive for now though...

Why? What is the big deal? What's wrong with them?

Some people take life too seriously.
 
3 days ago i did a presentation on this subject in my class.

Many felt uneasy with me considering ahmedi's as muslim.

still alive for now though...


Watching how our so called true "muslims" are behaving nowadays esp. the leader of this movement Maulana Khadim Rizvi and his colorful language, I am not sure why Ahmadi's want to be included in such a group.
 
Is it any wonder why no politician can touch issue of blasphemy law, Hudood Ordinance or Ahmedi rights ? When such an outcry is caused over a minor issue to the point the Law Minister finds his life in danger despite no proof he ordered the change to the oath - what do you think will happen if a government actually tries to tackle the excesses of the religious right ?

The fact its the Barelvis and not the more conservative Deobandis kicking off shows the extent to which radicalisation has seeped through society. The religious parties may fail at the ballot box but their street power is immense. They can shut down the capital, demand resignation of Cabinet ministers, assault an MNA, attack the homes of ministers and MNAs, and the state is impotent !

Pakistanis are simply too emotional when it comes to religion. Even saying abuse of blasphemy law needs to end has made you a target. Changing two words of an oath has led to disorder on a wide scale. Minorities are tolerated as long as they limit themselves to the small white section of the flag - but woe betide them if they seek any more rights than that.
 
I still don’t really understand the uproar about this. They only changed two words so I don’t understand how it makes any difference to the form.

For the protesters it's not just 2 words but changing the constitution writing which allows Ahmedis to come up to the power. They consider this as a grave mistake and it is unacceptable for them to even consider Ahmedis as muslims. They want to punish the Law minister or whoever behind this grave mistake/clerical error and now want to bring down the government.
 
Is it any wonder why no politician can touch issue of blasphemy law, Hudood Ordinance or Ahmedi rights ? When such an outcry is caused over a minor issue to the point the Law Minister finds his life in danger despite no proof he ordered the change to the oath - what do you think will happen if a government actually tries to tackle the excesses of the religious right ?

The fact its the Barelvis and not the more conservative Deobandis kicking off shows the extent to which radicalisation has seeped through society. The religious parties may fail at the ballot box but their street power is immense. They can shut down the capital, demand resignation of Cabinet ministers, assault an MNA, attack the homes of ministers and MNAs, and the state is impotent !

Pakistanis are simply too emotional when it comes to religion. Even saying abuse of blasphemy law needs to end has made you a target. Changing two words of an oath has led to disorder on a wide scale. Minorities are tolerated as long as they limit themselves to the small white section of the flag - but woe betide them if they seek any more rights than that.



Like I mentioned in some previous threads people like hafiz saeed are an ideology which Pakistani forces are supporting.. He may not be related directly in this case but the religious ideology such people breed seeps in the society and such fanatism happens.. Pakistani army/ISI/Government are themselves to be blamed for the mess they have created for themselves... Its now reaching a point where the religious ideology is strong enough to overpower any institution which is one step nearer to a taliban type rule..
 
Ahmadies don’t want to get into the culture of Pakistani politics. As long as people don’t hurl abuses to us or accuse us of something that wasn’t our doing or not use violence against us then things will be all right. I don’t expect much from the majority of Muslims in Pakistan because the ground reality is that they are deprived of basic human rights and deserve a lot sympathies.
 
3 days ago i did a presentation on this subject in my class.

Many felt uneasy with me considering ahmedi's as muslim.

still alive for now though...

Honestly what you are doing is stupid . You clearly have an opinion which the majority are not ready to accept , so why risk so much ?
 
For the protesters it's not just 2 words but changing the constitution writing which allows Ahmedis to come up to the power. They consider this as a grave mistake and it is unacceptable for them to even consider Ahmedis as muslims. They want to punish the Law minister or whoever behind this grave mistake/clerical error and now want to bring down the government.

Changing these two words will not help an Ahmadi come to power because it’s stills asks you if you “call yourself an ahmadi” in the very same paragraph.

It honestly annoys me a little bit that we are so against any minority coming to power when we’ve seen how crap our own Muslim country leaders have been.
 
Changing these two words will not help an Ahmadi come to power because it’s stills asks you if you “call yourself an ahmadi” in the very same paragraph.

It honestly annoys me a little bit that we are so against any minority coming to power when we’ve seen how crap our own Muslim country leaders have been.

I don't know the details man but that's actualy what [MENTION=44089]Eagle_Eye[/MENTION] told me when i mentioned ahmedis in the same line as shias.
 
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