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"Agar Babar na hotha to phir Pakistan batting ka kiya hota?"

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Apologies for the Urdu in title but translated it means "What would be the state of Pakistan batting if Babar wasn't around"

Looking at it today - think this is true and is a huge worry for us.

The gap in skills between Babar and others is humongous.
 
Things could have been better if Pakistan had selected a certain player who averages 97 against spin in test cricket. But I agree that the difference in skills between Babar and the rest of the batting is troubling. the others need to badly step-up.
 
Things could have been better if Pakistan had selected a certain player who averages 97 against spin in test cricket. But I agree that the difference in skills between Babar and the rest of the batting is troubling. the others need to badly step-up.

Who is that certain player?
 
It's always like this though.
Where would India have been without Kohli or the Kiwis without Williamson?

Almost always there is one batsmen in every team that stands out over the others in any given era.
For example, Younis Khan for Pakistan between 2010 and 2018...
 
Fawad Alam

Well he was once, and he may have scored a 30 or 40 runs here which would have saved his place in the team for the future.. Good that he is not selected.

But for Agha Salman to get selected just for his batting is baffling..
I thought they selected him for his allround abilities but he wasnt even given the ball in the 1st inns..

Shan Masood who was avg like 100+ in the last 1 year should have given the chance even if he bat at no.5 doesnt matter to me.. Or atleast Saud shakeel , atleast ppl will come to know what this shafiq v2 is made of..
 
It's always like this though.
Where would India have been without Kohli or the Kiwis without Williamson?

Almost always there is one batsmen in every team that stands out over the others in any given era.
For example, Younis Khan for Pakistan between 2010 and 2018...

The same place India has been without Kohli for the last 3 years.
 
Always knew his troubles vs spin were overstated. This was an absolute masterclass to tame a rampaging spin unit on a spinning wicket.
 
The same place India has been without Kohli for the last 3 years.

Yes but the point is that, however brilliant Babar is, a team evolves with what they have or by someone coming in who hits the road running.

Of course we would be lost without him but let's not put everyone else down and say for certainty that we would be absolutely rubbish without him.
 
It's always like this though.
Where would India have been without Kohli or the Kiwis without Williamson?

Almost always there is one batsmen in every team that stands out over the others in any given era.
For example, Younis Khan for Pakistan between 2010 and 2018...

It is only with England without Root. Kiwis would have still beaten teams at home and lost away which they are doing with Williamson. India have plenty of home bullies to ponder about. Overseas, they didn't had anyone as good as Kohli in last 10 years.
 
Yes but the point is that, however brilliant Babar is, a team evolves with what they have or by someone coming in who hits the road running.

Of course we would be lost without him but let's not put everyone else down and say for certainty that we would be absolutely rubbish without him.

Fair enough. But the batting has been shambolic for quite some time now. Besides Babar only Azhar Ali, and [sometimes] Rizwan, Fawad have stood up in the last 2 years.
 
Fair enough. But the batting has been shambolic for quite some time now. Besides Babar only Azhar Ali, and [sometimes] Rizwan, Fawad have stood up in the last 2 years.

I have high hopes for Shafiq.
He's still so very young and has a high ceiling.
Shan Masood not getting picked is also strange.
I would have him at three, replacing Azhar Ali.

Then there are others who can slot in.
I think, as often is the case, we just seem to back the wrong horses
 
Agar yeh mentally weak(according to Mamoon) player na hota tu Pakistan team ka breakdown hota, har format mein.
 
Fair enough. But the batting has been shambolic for quite some time now. Besides Babar only Azhar Ali, and [sometimes] Rizwan, Fawad have stood up in the last 2 years.

Lol at Azhar Ali. I bet he will gone early in the chase. Fawad batted like a tail ender that why he was dropped having said that Salman isn’t any better. About time we give Saud a go.
 
He is Pakistan's Sachin Tendulkar and he is going through the same phase which Sachin went through in 90s. Wait for your Saurav Ganguly who will turn things around, create match winning players and bring the best out of Babar. :inti
 
One thing is sure Babar is far from mentally weak. That wc century vs NZ, 196 vs Aus, this incredible knock today are a testament to his mental strength.
 
It's always like this though.
Where would India have been without Kohli or the Kiwis without Williamson?

Almost always there is one batsmen in every team that stands out over the others in any given era.
For example, Younis Khan for Pakistan between 2010 and 2018...

I agree with immy here.

We often go overboard with criticism, but often many teams are in situation where instead of the whole team contributing, its just one or even two guys.

Younis khan is a good example

Its not like as if fawad would had performed, thats just out assumption
 
One thing is sure Babar is far from mentally weak. That wc century vs NZ, 196 vs Aus, this incredible knock today are a testament to his mental strength.

I even rate his innings in England last tour, even if it did not result in centuries. Problem Pakistan has unlike India, Australia or even New Zealand they do not have any other established top class player in their peak to support Babar. Rest are well beyond their sell by date like Azhar Ali or yet to establish themselves like Imam, Abdullah. It was unfortunate that only other useful batsman Fawad was left out.
 
He is Pakistan's Sachin Tendulkar and he is going through the same phase which Sachin went through in 90s. Wait for your Saurav Ganguly who will turn things around, create match winning players and bring the best out of Babar. :inti

I came here to say this.

As good as Virat has been for India, he always had more than capable batting partners, who even if were leagues below him in terms of batting, were skilled and mentally tough enough to lead India's batting in case of a rare Kohli failure.

The kind of carryjob Babar has been doing for the past few years has not been done before by any batsman, apart from the great Sachin Tendulkar, who used to single handedly carry a mediocre Indian batting line up in the 90s, before a generation of stars came and flourished in the early 2000s.

Before that, it used to be a Sachin show = Indian win, and Sachin gone early = India collapse.

Babar is going through the same phase.

He has one good/above average batsman to partner him in ODIs (Imam) and T20Is (Rizwan), but in Tests, he is surrounded by a dead batting line up, not capable of holding it's own against a half decent attack, as we saw against Australia a few months ago, and today against Sri Lanka.
 
It's always like this though.
Where would India have been without Kohli or the Kiwis without Williamson?

Almost always there is one batsmen in every team that stands out over the others in any given era.
For example, Younis Khan for Pakistan between 2010 and 2018...

Kohli comparison is not the correct one. Its more like where India would have been in 90s without Tendulkar.

India won the last Asia cup without Kohli when he was in his prime. Can Pakistan afford to rest Babar in Asia cup and still cakewalk to victory? Kohli was a brilliant batsman but India would still be where it is today with/without Kohli.
 
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5 single-figure scores in the top 8. Not a single player except Babar even reached 20. Literally scored more than the rest of them combined.
 
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The gap between Babar and the other Pakistani batters in Tests is huge and alarming.

In the past we've had Miandad/Salim Malik, Inzamam/Yousuf, Yousuf/YK, YK/Misbah etc etc

At the moment it's Babar or bust.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">What a knock by <a href="https://twitter.com/babarazam258?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@babarazam258</a>! I am sure this is one of many knocks to come that will transform him from one of the greats to one of the greatest.. a captain’s knock and showed how he can conquer bowling in the toughest conditions… proud of you boy! <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PAKvsSRI?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PAKvsSRI</a></p>— Wasim Akram (@wasimakramlive) <a href="https://twitter.com/wasimakramlive/status/1548702513574150145?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 17, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
He is cool as you can be - what a player.
 
Time for the rest of the line-up to show what they are made up of
 
Apologies for the Urdu in title but translated it means "What would be the state of Pakistan batting if Babar wasn't around"

Looking at it today - think this is true and is a huge worry for us.

The gap in skills between Babar and others is humongous.

Jo hota araha hai 😂
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Babar Azam in Test cricket in 2022:<br><br>Innings 7<br>Runs 564 <br>Hundreds 2<br>Fifties 3<br>Average 80.57<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a> <a href="https://t.co/KnsXncJBrJ">pic.twitter.com/KnsXncJBrJ</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@SajSadiqCricket) <a href="https://twitter.com/SajSadiqCricket/status/1549402771794939905?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 19, 2022</a></blockquote>
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Time for Zim-babar to turn into Bar-bestintheworld in tests, which is the one area where his career has been a little underwhelming so far.

Still waiting for that daddy century too.
 
Time for Zim-babar to turn into Bar-bestintheworld in tests, which is the one area where his career has been a little underwhelming so far.

Still waiting for that daddy century too.

That daddy century in 1st innings has got us to this point in this game, else match would have been over earlier
 
Time for Zim-babar to turn into Bar-bestintheworld in tests, which is the one area where his career has been a little underwhelming so far.

Still waiting for that daddy century too.

Babar the minnow basher is a myth always has been yes he could score soft runs early on his career but he was never just a minnow basher.
 
Funny how any players who start to score runs becomes known only for doing so against Zimbabwe, like when Fakhar was scoring big, all their other runs gets forgotten but Zimbabwe is remembered.
 
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