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Agha Salman - Performance Watch

He Should have been playing as a draft pick really.

Ideal player for Qalanders
 
Happy for him. Need a right arm offie who can bat in this middle order to replace Hafeez. A good PSL will put him in contention.
 
Never really thought he was good enough but I hope he does well. We really lack an off spinner in all formats. If his bowing has improved, I’d much rather Salman in every format over the likes of Imad and Nawaz
 
This is a difficult pitch to bat on and he's playing well today.

He should have bowled an over or two on this pitch.
 
Great batting by Agha today. Has completely imposed himself on the game.
 
Lovely timer of the ball and has played spin very well. And unlike how Lahore have batted in the tournament, hitherto, he has played with marked composure.
 
Wristy yet orthodox. Looks a composed cricketer who knows what he is doing.
 
Hopefully he doesn't have a weakness against short stuff. It's something international sides will get at you from day 1.
 
Looked spectacular... I hope he has a good innings or two and hopefully he will be in the squad. Him and Talat could be the finds of PSL 2018.
 
Prince of Pakistan said:
Hopefully he doesn't have a weakness against short stuff. It's something international sides will get at you from day 1.
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If you have a good head on your shoulders then you can manage these things. Majority of Pakistanis are weak against short ball but have survived in int'l cricket.
 
waqar goraya said:
If you have a good head on your shoulders then you can manage these things. Majority of Pakistanis are weak against short ball but have survived in int'l cricket.
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Exactly, I'd say Fakhar is pretty weak against the short ball and he gets regularly peppered on it but he has managed to do well so far. Good batsmen find a way. It's only the Umar Akmal types who can succeed only if the ball is within a certain range at a certain speed
 
Prince of Pakistan said:
Hopefully he doesn't have a weakness against short stuff. It's something international sides will get at you from day 1.
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Doesn't look good at all against the short ball to be completely honest, but seems the sort who wants to learn and improve so I suppose he could be worth an investment
 
Still a long way to go though.

Unlike a bowler who can be fast processed, a batsman needs to be properly evolved through the system.
 
His slog sweeps were great. He seems to be a decent batter. I haven't seen much of his bowling. But seems to be a good runner between the wickets.
 
TBF his domestic numbers aren't spectacular... how was he in this season [MENTION=133760]Abdullah719[/MENTION] ?
 
Syed1 said:
TBF his domestic numbers aren't spectacular... how was he in this season [MENTION=133760]Abdullah719[/MENTION] ?
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Very poor FC season.
Below average OD season.
Good T20 tournament with a couple of decent knocks, excellent with the ball.
 
Abdullah719 said:
Very poor FC season.
Below average OD season.
Good T20 tournament with a couple of decent knocks, excellent with the ball.
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So seems like today's knock was more like an exception than a rule. He looked really good though, perhaps some guys perform better when it is toughest.
 
He’s a very good batsmen. Great offside stroke play. Wristy, strong and tall. Looks composed.

However is prone to giving it away after a start. I’m not sure if this is because he is playing for a team that collapses quickly in almost every match. I almost feel that because he’s with players like baz, akmal and fakhar he feels the need to emulate and try to improvise and go big once set. Hopefully he will develop and make a fifty. He needs a few fifties in this PSL 2018 to really stand out. Nobody can say he hasn’t been given a chance.
 
Some nice shots and he looks well organised but the team need more from him than a few good looking shots.
 
All three of his dismissals were against shorter deliveries by the pacers.

Can be worked on; his temperament seems decent and he looks like a very good timer of the ball.
 
DRsohail said:
[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION]/What about his game so far.?
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Didn’t watch much - I was watching socccer today.

In general, his timing is very good, bat swing looks fluent and he can hit through off side; did place couple of exquisite pushed drives on back foot (of Sami?) either side of point - which indicates the capability. Why his batting stats are poor probably explains the batting culture - don’t think Suresh Raina played pacers better or timed/placed shots more elegantly at the start of career; but obviously he didn’t ended up at the able hands of Basit Ali, neither to QeA style.

I think, MoHa was 1/10th of this when his godfather Amir Sohail picked him for PAK team & Woolmer kept him as “spin all-rounder” with his 19/58 batting stats for 60+ games. 3/9 shot PAK cricket, then Sulman Butt shot his own feet - so MoHa got his lifetime opportunity & earned his billion dollar lottery at UAE, comforting & protecting the chair of his gentleman Captain - a more ambitious MoHa would have been history by 2014.

This guy Aga Salman actually has much more than improving MoHa’s stats, if he is given half the opportunity - and, at least you know that, this is something I wrote long, long before this years’ PSL.
 
Really impressed with his batting. Can rotate the strike and play big shots. His batting stance is really eye catching.
 
Seen him a couple of times now and what impressed me is his off-side game, Pakistanis in general are leg side players but he seems to prefer off side.
 
Looks fairly well organised, but not really capable of hitting big against the fast bowlers. Might be better suited to ODIs from what I've seen so far.
 
Well played. I would give him the 3 T20s versus West Indies and look to integrate him in the ODI squad soon after.
 
Yet to see him against high class bowling so it's hard to say if his technique is good enough.

But it's clear that he needs to add muscle and improve his hitting.
 
Typical Pakistani player, get to fifty and get out. Why can't these young Pak batsmen finish games.ridiculous
 
I’m not sure where he fits in the LOI teams though..

We already have good accumulators in Babar, Haris and Sarfaraz
 
Very responsive innings. The guy looks really good. Hope Inzi is watching him instead of enjoying his holidays.
 
babajee said:
I’m not sure where he fits in the LOI teams though..

We already have good accumulators in Babar, Haris and Sarfaraz
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Please don't compare him with those you listed. He really has the ability to find boundaries on regular basis and the important thing is he has so much confidence in his shots and he is not a legside hack. many things to like about him but he is the best player of spin at the moment in Pakistan.
 
Rayyman said:
Yet to see him against high class bowling so it's hard to say if his technique is good enough.

But it's clear that he needs to add muscle and improve his hitting.
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you guys deserve the likes of Hafeez and Malik.LOL
 
MRSN said:
Please don't compare him with those you listed. He really has the ability to find boundaries on regular basis and the important thing is he has so much confidence in his shots and he is not a legside hack. many things to like about him but he is the best player of spin at the moment in Pakistan.
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He’s looked good. Let’s wait and see.

Who would you replace with him then?
 
MRSN said:
I don't think we have quality batting to start off. There are plenty of passengers in our LOI sides.
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We need an opener and a power hitter

Fakhar, Babar, Haris and Sarfaraz are good ODI bats.
 
I'm always hesitant against hyping a batsman who is poor against short stuff, until he gets better at that, won't take much for a good international bowling outfit to figure him out, BUT he seems a smart operator so hope he improves
 
Some potential but nowhere near an international product. Maybe 2-3 years down the line if they continue to work on him.
 
And to think he only came in as a replacement for Bilawal Bhatti.... He has done well and should be kept in the selection radar.
 
Considering how awful we are as a batting nation, it is understandable that people jump in joy whenever they see a young Pakistani batsman who knows how to hold a bat in hand.

Nonetheless, he does not appear to be anything special. A tidy batsman who can bowl some spin and looks like a thinking cricketer - probably a superior version of Saad Nasim, but does he look like someone who can take on bowlers like Starc, Rabada, Boult, Hazlewood, Cummins etc.? No, but that is the story of 99% of our batsmen.

We have enough batsmen who look good against SL, WI, Bangladesh etc., but the same articles look like fish out of water against the top teams. There is nothing to suggest that Agha is anything different. He seems to be struggling against the short balls bowled by substandard pacers in this tournament, what will happen to him when he plays the best fast bowlers in the world?

I do not think he is going to add anything new or different. Yes he is only 24 (or perhaps 28 in actual), but we do not know how to develop batsmen.
 
Mamoon said:
Considering how awful we are as a batting nation, it is understandable that people jump in joy whenever they see a young Pakistani batsman who knows how to hold a bat in hand.

Nonetheless, he does not appear to be anything special. A tidy batsman who can bowl some spin and looks like a thinking cricketer - probably a superior version of Saad Nasim, but does he look like someone who can take on bowlers like Starc, Rabada, Boult, Hazlewood, Cummins etc.? No, but that is the story of 99% of our batsmen.

We have enough batsmen who look good against SL, WI, Bangladesh etc., but the same articles look like fish out of water against the top teams. There is nothing to suggest that Agha is anything different. He seems to be struggling against the short balls bowled by substandard pacers in this tournament, what will happen to him when he plays the best fast bowlers in the world?

I do not think he is going to add anything new or different. Yes he is only 24 (or perhaps 28 in actual), but we do not know how to develop batsmen.
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It seems like Hussain Talat is the only guy in the PSL who has impressed you a bit.
 
Prince of Pakistan said:
It seems like Hussain Talat is the only guy in the PSL who has impressed you a bit.
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This edition of PSL has badly exposed the so-called batting talent in Pakistan. There is no doubt that Talat is a fine batsman, but being good enough for Pakistan and being good enough internationally are two different things.

It does not take much to standout as a batsman in the Pakistan setup, but the vast majority of our good batsmen are nowhere close to the caliber of the batsmen the top teams produce.

Talat might be better than Hafeez, Malik, Shehzad etc., but how would he fare against Kohli, Root, Smith, de Villiers, Williamson, Warner, Rohit, Dhawan, Bairstow, de Kock etc.?

The chances are that he is 99.9% likely to be well below their level. Being better than the other players in your team means nothing when you cannot compete with what the best others have to offer. After all, they are the players you will be up against, not your countrymen.

Our inability to produce world class batsmen is, was and will continue to be the reason for our mediocrity.
 
babajee said:
Agha is not even considered a “top” batting prospect.
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The so-called "top" batting prospects in Pakistan cannot hold a candle to the top prospects of other teams either, and that is why there is a gulf between us and the top teams.
 
babajee said:
Is that why Sharjeel was shaping up to be a world beater and Fakhar has been improving a lot since his debut?
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Sharjeel was not shaping up into anything. A couple of fifties against Australia in Australia does not make you a world beater, but that is the problem. Our standards are so low that all it takes is one half-decent innings against a top team for a Pakistani batsman to become a world beater.

A top team would have taken Sharjeel to task for repeatedly throwing his wicket away after getting starts and for getting dismissed against spin so often. In Pakistan, we are singing songs for him.

Similarly, Apart from two knocks, Fakhar has not done anything in his career so far. In other teams, his place would not even be secure.

Manish Pandey scored a match-winning ODI hundred in Australia, chasing 330, but he was not able to cement his place in the side. A Pakistani batsman would cement his place in the team for the next 10 years if he does something similar.

Karun Nair scored a triple-hundred in his second Test against England, but he is not considered anything special by India.

If a young Pakistani batsman scores a triple-hundred in his second Test against Afghanistan (let alone England), he will be dubbed as an ATG.

It has more to do with our lowly standards than the brilliance of Sharjeel or Fakhar.
 
Mamoon said:
The so-called "top" batting prospects in Pakistan cannot hold a candle to the top prospects of other teams either, and that is why there is a gulf between us and the top teams.
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Yes it is but i think Talat and Aga salman are the batsamn you have to invest in.It does not mean that they will become top class bat but you see the product which is relatively better and then invest .
For me not a bad choice to invest in and i am not expecting him to perform like kohli and co.
 
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] can you complete a sentence with out mentioning indian palyers.It is too much.We are talking about pakistani player and pakistani set up.We all know we are poor in producing even decent bat but it does not mean we should not invest in a player which does not look to be better than indian counterpart or to be compared with them.
I hope you have studied immature defence mechanism in Psychiatry.
 
Agha Salman is a good talent. He needs to be given to proper coaches and not duds like Aquib Javed. I feel like some times he forgets to move his feet and just flails his bat at the ball. He got out in the last match in that manner. In this match he started with three cracking boundaries in his first six balls and then started to do tuk tuk single double (which probably was the need of the hour)... He has good hitting ability and can a good addition to the squad. I feel he is more of an ODI bat and can be a Babar/Haris backup in the squad. There is plenty to work with there.
 
Syed1 said:
Agha Salman is a good talent. He needs to be given to proper coaches and not duds like Aquib Javed. I feel like some times he forgets to move his feet and just flails his bat at the ball. He got out in the last match in that manner. In this match he started with three cracking boundaries in his first six balls and then started to do tuk tuk single double (which probably was the need of the hour)... He has good hitting ability and can a good addition to the squad. I feel he is more of an ODI bat and can be a Babar/Haris backup in the squad. There is plenty to work with there.
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No no he’s a Pakistani batsman and it’s 99% likely that he is absolute rubbish.

Even if he is any good then he won’t match up to the likes of Kohli, KL Rahul, Pandey, Jadhav, Kumar, Singh, Nanda etc.
 
babajee said:
No no he’s a Pakistani batsman and it’s 99% likely that he is absolute rubbish.

Even if he is any good then he won’t match up to the likes of Kohli, KL Rahul, Pandey, Jadhav, Kumar, Singh, Nanda etc.
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Had same Agha Salman been Indian he would have been the best batsman to come out of Asia after Kohli, for some :asif
 
Mamoon said:
Sharjeel was not shaping up into anything. A couple of fifties against Australia in Australia does not make you a world beater, but that is the problem. Our standards are so low that all it takes is one half-decent innings against a top team for a Pakistani batsman to become a world beater.

A top team would have taken Sharjeel to task for repeatedly throwing his wicket away after getting starts and for getting dismissed against spin so often. In Pakistan, we are singing songs for him.

Similarly, Apart from two knocks, Fakhar has not done anything in his career so far. In other teams, his place would not even be secure.

Manish Pandey scored a match-winning ODI hundred in Australia, chasing 330, but he was not able to cement his place in the side. A Pakistani batsman would cement his place in the team for the next 10 years if he does something similar.

Karun Nair scored a triple-hundred in his second Test against England, but he is not considered anything special by India.

If a young Pakistani batsman scores a triple-hundred in his second Test against Afghanistan (let alone England), he will be dubbed as an ATG.

It has more to do with our lowly standards than the brilliance of Sharjeel or Fakhar.
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Against the bowling attack of Hastings, Boland, Marsh, and Faulkner on the flattest of pitches in a dead rubber.

Indian middle order is as mediocre as it comes. This is a fact which even most Indian posters will agree to.
 
The_Odd_One said:
Against the bowling attack of Hastings, Boland, Marsh, and Faulkner on the flattest of pitches in a dead rubber.

Indian middle order is as mediocre as it comes. This is a fact which even most Indian posters will agree to.
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Pandey would walk into our LOI teams and will be the best batsman by far. The Indian middle-order is mediocre by their high standards but not by our lowly standards. A past it Dhoni and Yuvraj wipe the floor with Hafeez and Malik at their best, and Rahane is not a top ODI player but he is still better than most of our batsmen.

None of our batsmen get into their team including Babar. He is too slow to bat in their middle-order, and he is nowhere near Dhawan, Rohit and of course the King. Someone of the caliber of KL Rahul cannot get into the team at the moment, and he is better than Babar.
 
babajee said:
Keep dreaming, Babar and Haris wipe the floor with him.
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Babar and Haris can wipe the floor or the roof with him, but they will never come close to helping Pakistan chase 330 vs Australia even against an U-16 bowling attack.
 
Mamoon said:
Babar and Haris can wipe the floor or the roof with him, but they will never come close to helping Pakistan chase 330 vs Australia even against an U-16 bowling attack.
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One fluke innings means nothing.

He’s done nothing since. Can’t even bully minnows.

Babar has anyway... 100(109) against an attack of Starc, Hazelwood and Cummins.
Yes, we didn’t win but it was still a massive contribution.
 
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Reminds me of Babar Azam with his strokeplay.

I think he's quite done well in the shambles that is Lahore Qalandars.
 
Mamoon said:
Pandey would walk into our LOI teams and will be the best batsman by far. The Indian middle-order is mediocre by their high standards but not by our lowly standards. A past it Dhoni and Yuvraj wipe the floor with Hafeez and Malik at their best, and Rahane is not a top ODI player but he is still better than most of our batsmen.

None of our batsmen get into their team including Babar. He is too slow to bat in their middle-order, and he is nowhere near Dhawan, Rohit and of course the King. Someone of the caliber of KL Rahul cannot get into the team at the moment, and he is better than Babar.
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KL Rahul with an ODI batting average of 35 at the strike rate of 81 is better than Babar? Man, your love for Indian cricket is blinding. Before you mention the limited number of ODIs he has played, even his List A record is nothing special, 38@72 as compared to Babar's 51@83 who is 2 years younger.

If Rahul is better than Babar and he sits out for Karthik and Rahane then by your logic, Babar should be worse than both Rahane and Karthik which is comical. Also, remind me again how many trophies have India won in last 5 years with such a world class batting lineup? Even, the excuse of weak bowling will not work anymore as you yourself once said that the gap between Indian bowling and Pakistani bowling as wide as their batting difference.
 
Mamoon said:
Babar and Haris can wipe the floor or the roof with him, but they will never come close to helping Pakistan chase 330 vs Australia even against an U-16 bowling attack.
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Sarfraz chased 300+ score against England. He must be better than a lot of other batsman who did not.
 
The_Odd_One said:
Sarfraz chased 300+ score against England. He must be better than a lot of other batsman who did not.
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No but that is a fluke obviously. If an Indian batsman does it, it is due to sheer skill and temperament whereas Pakistani batsmen just throw their bat around and get lucky.
 
babajee said:
One fluke innings means nothing.

He’s done nothing since. Can’t even bully minnows.

Babar has anyway... 100(109) against an attack of Starc, Hazelwood and Cummins.
Yes, we didn’t win but it was still a massive contribution.
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Babar's hundred was a poor innings in context. Pakistan had a 1% chance of chasing 360 before he arrived to the crease, and he ensured that we had a 0% chance with his tuk tuk.

Pandey played a high class innings especially when Kohli got out cheaply for once. It was a far better effort than Babar's match-losing knock.
 
The_Odd_One said:
KL Rahul with an ODI batting average of 35 at the strike rate of 81 is better than Babar? Man, your love for Indian cricket is blinding. Before you mention the limited number of ODIs he has played, even his List A record is nothing special, 38@72 as compared to Babar's 51@83 who is 2 years younger.

If Rahul is better than Babar and he sits out for Karthik and Rahane then by your logic, Babar should be worse than both Rahane and Karthik which is comical. Also, remind me again how many trophies have India won in last 5 years with such a world class batting lineup? Even, the excuse of weak bowling will not work anymore as you yourself once said that the gap between Indian bowling and Pakistani bowling as wide as their batting difference.
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At times players take some time before finding their feet, while others start with a bang before regressing. Pakistan have had too many players like that, and Babar is in danger of becoming the next casualty.

KL Rahul has not been allowed to settle and that too at one position, but there is no doubt that he has not done justice to his talent so far. However, India knows how to develop batsmen. In 10 years time, he has a high chance of ending up with a better career than Babar simply because he plays for a more professional setup.

If you give India Babar and Pakistan KL Rahul, the chances are that Babar will end up better.

Domestic stats do not interest me, KL Rahul has more strings to his bow and has an extra gear that Babar does not have.
 
The_Odd_One said:
Sarfraz chased 300+ score against England. He must be better than a lot of other batsman who did not.
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That was a top innings by Sarfraz, but do you see him replicating it any time soon? It was clearly a one-off innings. Pandya is a very good batsman and comfortably better than Sarfraz. However, India's batting standards are too high. You have to score heavily or you are out.

His innings as well as Sarfraz's series in England can be considered flukes if you want, but give both Pandya and Sarfraz 100 games and there will only be one winner. He is a more complete batsman than the nudger Sarfraz who has limited shots against pace bowling.
 
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