All Elite Wrestling (AEW) thread

[sweep_shot]

Does anyone here follow AEW? I see many of the WWE folks ended up in AEW (Jim Ross, Cody Rhodes, Chris Jericho etc.).
[MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION], what is your opinion on AEW? Do you think they can be a serious rival of WWE?

 

[sweep_shot]

BTW, founder of AEW is Tony Khan (son of businessman Shahid Khan who is a Pakistani).

 

[The Viper]

Don't really follow them, but this was pretty cool. Sting debuted on their recent show and it was trending on Youtube. Tony Schiavone's reaction was very authentic and enhanced the quality of the moment.

 

[sweep_shot]

Don't really follow them, but this was pretty cool. Sting debuted on their recent show and it was trending on Youtube. Tony Schiavone reaction was very authentic and enhanced the moment.

Yes! It was quite refreshing. I think AEW has better quality than WWE nowadays (storylines and matches).

 

[Xoib]

I think AEW is here to stay. Tony Khan is a genuine wrestling fan unlike Ted Turner so I see them give a tougher time to WWE then WCW did in the long run.

However they need a marquee moment like Hogan turning heel and joining NWO to really drive home the competition feeling.

I can see the The Rock going to AEW once Vince is no longer WWE as there is no love lost between Rock and HHH. However for that to happen AEW needs to continue gaining momentum and Rock Hollywood marketability to go down a touch. Looks difficult right now but It could happen once he enters his 50's and Hollywood stops seeing him as the big action star.

 

[Chokli]

Is fake. Now do ppl still watch this crap with over acting

 

[sweep_shot]

I think AEW is here to stay. Tony Khan is a genuine wrestling fan unlike Ted Turner so I see them give a tougher time to WWE then WCW did in the long run.

However they need a marquee moment like Hogan turning heel and joining NWO to really drive home the competition feeling.

I can see the The Rock going to AEW once Vince is no longer WWE as there is no love lost between Rock and HHH. However for that to happen AEW needs to continue gaining momentum and Rock Hollywood marketability to go down a touch. Looks difficult right now but It could happen once he enters his 50's and Hollywood stops seeing him as the big action star.

I think AEW can become the WCW (or even better) of modern time. WWE is declining and hence AEW has the opportunity to make things interesting again.

You are right though. They need more star powers. Some more big names.

 

[sweep_shot]

Is fake. Now do ppl still watch this crap with over acting

Fake is not the right word. Scripted is the right word.

All results are predetermined. But, many of the stunts they do are real. For example, you can't fake those high flying moves. Also, they sometimes get injured for real.

It is entertainment. It is like a movie or a TV show.

 

[OldWarHorse]

BTW, founder of AEW is Tony Khan (son of businessman Shahid Khan who is a Pakistani).

Are they the owners of Fulham FC?

 

[sweep_shot]

Are they the owners of Fulham FC?

I think so. They also own Jacksonville Jaguars (US NFL team).

 

[Asim_khan]

Huge fan of the Elite from their time in New Japan and Sammy Guevara in particular who I saw here in Pakistan.

Whilst visiting my sister I got tickets for their show in Boston, think it was the 3rd or 4th TV show they'd ever done. The atmosphere was incredible. I still watch weekly.

Tony Khan, who's the son of Shahid Khan is the CEO & Shahid is the owner. Plus the Elite are all vice presidents, and they have a huge say in how the organisation is run and who gets signed etc.

 

[Mamoon]

Is fake. Now do ppl still watch this crap with over acting

What is the difference between watching this and movies/tv series?

Do you call movies and tv series crap because they are fake?

 

[KoyoAli]

AEW is a very good alternative to WWE. I have been following AEW even before its inception when the young Bucks and Cody Rohdes used to tease it on their YouTube Channel. The freedom that their talent has is a refreshing change to WWE's very PG-13 and "socially acceptable/woke" themes.
I for one really want it to come to TVs here or at least be made available for streaming legally. WWE has been on a steady decline for some time and is almost unwatchable for me at this point. Really Glad that AEW exists.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

I watched AEW briefly when they first launched their tv show. Was not that impressed. Wrestling will never be as big as it was in the Attidue Era or even the Ruthless Agression Era.

And i doubt they will come anywhere close to the WWE. I see them being the next TNA.

 

[KoyoAli]

Nah they are already beating NXT easily and they definitely have it in them to beat WWE. Most of WWE talent is moving to AEW and will continue to do so. The fact that wrestling isn't as popular as it used to be is the exact reason why AEW has a better chance than TNA ever had. Current WWE is a shadow of its former glory.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

Nah they are already beating NXT easily and they definitely have it in them to beat WWE. Most of WWE talent is moving to AEW and will continue to do so. The fact that wrestling isn't as popular as it used to be is the exact reason why AEW has a better chance than TNA ever had. Current WWE is a shadow of its former glory.

Maybe its gotten better since i first watched it, so i will check it out again.

With that said NXT is WWE's "C" show, after Raw and Smackdown. So not that impressive that they are beating them.

They have a better chance than TNA because Shahid Khan is rich, but how much money will he be willing to lose? His love for his son will only go so far.

And the real question is will wrestling ever get those fans it lost back?

 

[KoyoAli]

Maybe its gotten better since i first watched it, so i will check it out again.

With that said NXT is WWE's "C" show, after Raw and Smackdown. So not that impressive that they are beating them.

They have a better chance than TNA because Shahid Khan is rich, but how much money will he be willing to lose? His love for his son will only go so far.

And the real question is will wrestling ever get those fans it lost back?

Thing is, Since AEWs debut, NXT is no longer the C show. Vince has moved NXT to AEWs timeslot and made it live. Many main roster stars make guest appearances while others have permanently moved to NXT to get more eyes on it. Likes of Finn Balor are now NXT regulars. So beating NXT is a big deal. Not to mention I don't feel they are losing much money. Pre-COVID they sold out arenas and even now they have good TV ratings. Their TV deal with TNT was a success, TNT was expecting much lower numbers and they are getting more than double of that. So AEW is here to stay and Tony Khan is putting a lot of money into it.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

Thing is, Since AEWs debut, NXT is no longer the C show. Vince has moved NXT to AEWs timeslot and made it live. Many main roster stars make guest appearances while others have permanently moved to NXT to get more eyes on it. Likes of Finn Balor are now NXT regulars. So beating NXT is a big deal. Not to mention I don't feel they are losing much money. Pre-COVID they sold out arenas and even now they have good TV ratings. Their TV deal with TNT was a success, TNT was expecting much lower numbers and they are getting more than double of that. So AEW is here to stay and Tony Khan is putting a lot of money into it.

Ok did not know this. I am out of the loop in wrestling. I stopped watching a few years back. Will give AEW and NXT a try.

 

[KoyoAli]

Ok did not know this. I am out of the loop in wrestling. I stopped watching a few years back. Will give AEW and NXT a try.

If you do let me know how you liked it. Personally, MJF is my favorite wrestler and one that will be a future Super Star. Do take a look at him.

 

[shaz619]

Does anyone here follow AEW? I see many of the WWE folks ended up in AEW (Jim Ross, Cody Rhodes, Chris Jericho etc.).

[MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION], what is your opinion on AEW? Do you think they can be a serious rival of WWE?

Personally feel as though AEW are wasting a golden opportunity to seriously challenge the monopoly WWE has on the wrestling industry, they are on a prime time network and have massive main stream exposure. Where they fail is in their ability to take the product seriously, there is a severe lack of professionalism and those who are involved in creative are predominately friends of friends etc they have hired the wrong people in the wrong positions when it comes to overall creative strategy and they have failed to develop any organic storylines, feuds or performers. Their talent roster is too one dimensional and there is zero respect for the North American audience. This is reflected in how their overall viewership has dropped since going on air and they are just about competing with WWE's developmental brand. The brand is simply too goofy and is reliant heavily on presenting their video game in-ring style to modern hardcore fans who will not drive enough revenue for them to challenge a powerhouse like WWE. I think someone like Cody has positioned himself strategically as a top guy in a sea full of mediocre wrestlers who don't value their work or characters, as an individual performer he has done exceptionally well in terms of his character and the booking of the feuds he has been involved with, they have bright spots in talent like MJF and tag teams such as private party but without an experienced booker giving them structure they wont get over as they possibly can with the audience.

 

[shaz619]

Tony Khan is a fan but that is his issue, you have a mark running the business; it is doomed to fail, not only is he a mark, he is a money mark. There is no comparison between someone like him and Vince, there are levels and he is a minnow, a real 'smart' mark would have the awareness to have at least bought the right people in, AEW is a national laughing stock at the moment. I feel sorry for someone like Sting to have signed with them but I don't blame him after how WWE booked him to job to Darth Burius at Wrestlemania.

 

[Asim_khan]

Oh god, don't tell me you're a fan of Jim Cornette.

Here's some facts about AEW in it's first year

1) Highest debuting show on their network in over 5 years
2) Has only lost on the ratings chart to the WWE NXT brand once in over a year (December 18th 2019)
3) Even beat them after WWE sent all their big guns during Survivor Series (Becky, Roman, Seth etc)
4) TNT Network was so impressed, they renewed them straight after that one show
5) Their new deal almost tripled what they previously had, $175m until 2023, also got a new show too
6) Have sold more total PPV's in 7 events than TNA has in it's entire history (124!! PPV's)
7) TNA at its peak, with AJ Styles/Kurt Angle/Samoa Joe etc highest ppv buyrate was 65,000. AEW's lowest is about 100,000 (Revolution 2019). These are $50 a buy on BRLive, so do the Maths. That is Millions of $$$.
8) The Khan family invested about $10m into AEW in 2019, they turned a profit on that by April 2020, some money marks eh?
9) It takes millions to start up a console video game, AEW's been that successful, they've already got their own games division. They've hired Yukes & the legendary Geta (of No Mercy/Def Jam Games fame).
10) Internationally - More people in the UK watch AEW than they watch all WWE programming combined.
11) AEW has just debuted in the Latin American market, they were the second highest watched sports show in Brazil this past week, despite broadcasting on a Sunday.
12) Had the highest average attendance to their shows in 2019 (6200), WWE's was about 4600.
13) They've got toys/action figures, which were the 3rd highest selling new toys in the USA, these are $20 each, and retailing in Walmart, so once again they're bringing in $$$.
14) AEW is the only company who's ratings have stayed consistent throughout 2020, Smackdown has lost 500k viewers, Raw has lost 400k and NXT about 250k.

There's alot of things you can call Tony, but Money mark isn't one of them, he's bringing in profit by the bucketload, and his company is succesful. If anything, within a year he's made AEW a real player, and this past Wednesday night they were the 2nd highest rated show on all of Cable, something WWE haven't managed to do since the Pandemic started. There certainly are levels, you're right about that, what they've managed to achieve is quite remarkable.

And as for the Vince comparison, he lost $billions trying to restart XFL, bankrupting it for the 2nd time, and then having it stolen from him by 'The Rock' of all people, who got it at auction for $15m, his net worth went down from $1.8 billion to $1.1bn. WWE's stock price has fallen almost $20 per share, they were fined $39m this past week for cheating stockholders, and was also the only company to let go of talent, something AEW hasn't had to do cos they're bringing in $$$.

And he's got such a great relationship with WarnerMedia, they let him use the Game of Thrones "Winter is coming" tagline. WarnerMedia are really high on them, check this quote...

Sam Linsky, senior vice president and co-head of scripted originals for TBS, TNT and truTV says that there are also plans in place to continue expanding the AEW brand across the full range of the WarnerMedia portfolio.

“We have an opportunity to use all facets of WarnerMedia in a way that most places can’t,” Linsky says. “We’ve got a comic book company. We’ve got video game companies. We’ve got merchandising people. We’ve got people who make animation for television. We’ve got reality television producers. It’s all in house. So we have a real opportunity to spread this IP and grow it across WarnerMedia.”

They're due another show, and are also set to have specials on HBO Max and BR Live. I've sourced all of this if you need.

 

[Xoib]

Yeah strange prost from Shaz.

And I think they have assembled as good a roaster you can develop in USA with all major stars still under WWE contract.

The likes of Omega, Jericho, Moxley, Page are not mediocre talents and Cdy despite being an executive VP is not having the show revolve around he has done multiple jobs and has not won the AEW title yet ahure he gets a lot of exposure but he is one of the top stars so he should.

AEW is not perfect but it is developing nicely and I can see them challenging the WWE status quo within few years.

 

[Asim_khan]

Yeah strange prost from Shaz.

And I think they have assembled as good a roaster you can develop in USA with all major stars still under WWE contract.

The likes of Omega, Jericho, Moxley, Page are not mediocre talents and Cdy despite being an executive VP is not having the show revolve around he has done multiple jobs and has not won the AEW title yet ahure he gets a lot of exposure but he is one of the top stars so he should.

AEW is not perfect but it is developing nicely and I can see them challenging the WWE status quo within few years.

Exactly, it's far from perfect, but to say it's a joke is far from intellectually honest, in terms of revenue alone, it's the second largest Wrestling company in the world, and they've only been on tv for a year, in fact they've had more shows during the pandemic than they did pre pandemic, yet are still profitable, which shows you that their business plan is solid, he's hired guys like Chris Harrington & Nik Sobic as VP's of operations who have great sports, business and Wrestling related CV's.

In terms of recruitment, aside from CM Punk, they managed to recruit all the top free agents. And he seems to be open to working with the likes of NWA, Impact/TNA, and hopefully at some point New Japan, just so I can see Omega and Okada go at it again, the 2 guys who got me back into Pro Wrestling.

 

[shaz619]

Oh god, don't tell me you're a fan of Jim Cornette.

Here's some facts about AEW in it's first year

1) Highest debuting show on their network in over 5 years
2) Has only lost on the ratings chart to the WWE NXT brand once in over a year (December 18th 2019)
3) Even beat them after WWE sent all their big guns during Survivor Series (Becky, Roman, Seth etc)
4) TNT Network was so impressed, they renewed them straight after that one show
5) Their new deal almost tripled what they previously had, $175m until 2023, also got a new show too
6) Have sold more total PPV's in 7 events than TNA has in it's entire history (124!! PPV's)
7) TNA at its peak, with AJ Styles/Kurt Angle/Samoa Joe etc highest ppv buyrate was 65,000. AEW's lowest is about 100,000 (Revolution 2019). These are $50 a buy on BRLive, so do the Maths. That is Millions of $$$.
8) The Khan family invested about $10m into AEW in 2019, they turned a profit on that by April 2020, some money marks eh?
9) It takes millions to start up a console video game, AEW's been that successful, they've already got their own games division. They've hired Yukes & the legendary Geta (of No Mercy/Def Jam Games fame).
10) Internationally - More people in the UK watch AEW than they watch all WWE programming combined.
11) AEW has just debuted in the Latin American market, they were the second highest watched sports show in Brazil this past week, despite broadcasting on a Sunday.
12) Had the highest average attendance to their shows in 2019 (6200), WWE's was about 4600.
13) They've got toys/action figures, which were the 3rd highest selling new toys in the USA, these are $20 each, and retailing in Walmart, so once again they're bringing in $$$.
14) AEW is the only company who's ratings have stayed consistent throughout 2020, Smackdown has lost 500k viewers, Raw has lost 400k and NXT about 250k.

There's alot of things you can call Tony, but Money mark isn't one of them, he's bringing in profit by the bucketload, and his company is succesful. If anything, within a year he's made AEW a real player, and this past Wednesday night they were the 2nd highest rated show on all of Cable, something WWE haven't managed to do since the Pandemic started. There certainly are levels, you're right about that, what they've managed to achieve is quite remarkable.

And as for the Vince comparison, he lost $billions trying to restart XFL, bankrupting it for the 2nd time, and then having it stolen from him by 'The Rock' of all people, who got it at auction for $15m, his net worth went down from $1.8 billion to $1.1bn. WWE's stock price has fallen almost $20 per share, they were fined $39m this past week for cheating stockholders, and was also the only company to let go of talent, something AEW hasn't had to do cos they're bringing in $$$.

And he's got such a great relationship with WarnerMedia, they let him use the Game of Thrones "Winter is coming" tagline. WarnerMedia are really high on them, check this quote...

They're due another show, and are also set to have specials on HBO Max and BR Live. I've sourced all of this if you need.

Nothing here suggests they are going to challenge WWE remotely or the hold they have in the industry; for everything you say AEW has achieved it could be so much more, the numbers you quote are nothing to get wet over and while you are right that Vince hasn't done well with the XFL but no one had ever doubted him as visionary and wrestling promoter, it's the one thing he does really well.

AEW should be judged by their product which is horrendous and I gave them a chance but am not compelled to watch them, a guy like Omega is everything wrong with wrestling and the bloke who you would try and sell to the casual fan / those who have left watching wrestling for combat sport and others forms of entertainment and get laughed at, he is a video game nerd/dork ***, can't cut a promo to save his life and has largely been exposed massively in the north american territory, moreover I don't feel as though I want to watch him work either and he is meant to be their top star, is he the next Sting? are the 'best friends' the NWO ? seriously, they don't even compare to the better days TNA had at their peak. Moxley left the WWE and I was excited thinking hmmm perhaps we will see his creative best etc similar to the stuff from CZW, instead he has regressed and is running out of dance partners, Jericho is having the time of his life I give you that, the stuff he has done as a character is remarkable which boggles my mind how he can oversee the awful booking on the show. Also there is no variety in the performers, too many midgets prancing around with no cohesive stucture, story or development, where are the heavyweights ?

The womens division the less said the better, a skinny anorexic asian who looked like a 9 year old was the champion and you are meant to suspend your disbelief, in fact Kenny Omega of all people is a booker on the show and its no surprise his poor ring IQ is showing more then ever and also how friends find themselves in the top spot, beyond that am pretty sure Nyla Rose has also won the top womens title and is in fact a lady boy / man ! I think AEW is a good reflection of what modern smarks are after and the kind of style they prefer.

AEW needs to be revamped if they want to challenge the monopoly WWE have in the industry and trust me I would want them to do well because competition is good and helps everyone, but at this stage they are a company who are doing alright for their niche group of fans, beyond that I can't see them grow enough to give the E a massive fright like WCW did unless there are major changes

 

[Asim_khan]

I don't even know where to start, you obviously get your opinions from a podcast rather than watching the product, because very little of it is based on fact.

And then the hate speech tells me AEW is seemingly affecting your blood pressure, and that's never a good thing, maybe it's better if you try to ignore this thread, but to answer some of your questions, there's plenty of Giants in AEW, Lance Archer, Brodie Lee, Luchasaurus, the Butcher, Wardlow, Jake Hager, Jeff Cobb, Powerhouse Hobbs etc. Also Vince was a visionary in 1980, he's now an out of touch old man, with dog food and cuckold angles, viewership down, share price down, being dunked on by his shareholders during the quarterly calls cos a start up is maintaining and gaining viewers whilst WWE is falling at a rapid rate, people are rightly worried, he's failed in everything outside of wrestling, (unlike the Khan's) failed as a boxing promoter, failed with the WBF, declared bankrupt, failed with his WWE studios venture, forced to become a straight to dvd trash market, failed with XFL despite having a network TV deal, failed with XFL2, with a network TV deal, and is now seemingly failing in Wrestling too, he ruined international TV deals with the WWE network (AEW swooped in, thanks Vince) hoping for 4 million subscribers, instead they struggled to even get 1m, at $9.99, that's less than what AEW made from ppv's. Thankfully for us fans who want something a little more intelligent, a new league has appeared, and the way things are going, will be the industry leader very soon. In fact the only successful thing he's done recently is call AEW a blood & guts organisation, to which AEW trademarked the term and named a show after it. When life serves you lemons etc etc.

Kenny Omega has headlined all over the world, and voted 2nd greatest Gaijin in Japanese Puroresco history, he was offered the second largest contract in WWE history after Brock Lesnar to join, and turned it down. To say he's failed in North America ignores that every ppv he's headlined has sold out, and his segments are always the highest rated. Now viewing habits have changed and so less people are watching Wrestling, but then again less people are watching TV, and the fact that AEW is always in the top 5 shows in the TV ratings tells you all you need to know. These people are draws brother. Whichever way you wanna look at it. And as for is he the next sting, when sting had the biggest angle of his career, he had one of the worst matches against Hogan at Starrcade 97, when Kenny Omega had it, he sold 70,000 tickets in the Tokyo Dome, and broke the Meltzer 5* rating. There's levels to this, and Kenny comes out on top.

And as far as Austin not doing clownery, maybe you need to Google 'a flair for the old', have fun.

 

[shaz619]

I don't even know where to start, you obviously get your opinions from a podcast rather than watching the product, because very little of it is based on fact.

And then the hate speech tells me AEW is seemingly affecting your blood pressure, and that's never a good thing, maybe it's better if you try to ignore this thread, but to answer some of your questions, there's plenty of Giants in AEW, Lance Archer, Brodie Lee, Luchasaurus, the Butcher, Wardlow, Jake Hager, Jeff Cobb, Powerhouse Hobbs etc. Also Vince was a visionary in 1980, he's now an out of touch old man, with dog food and cuckold angles, viewership down, share price down, being dunked on by his shareholders during the quarterly calls cos a start up is maintaining and gaining viewers whilst WWE is falling at a rapid rate, people are rightly worried, he's failed in everything outside of wrestling, (unlike the Khan's) failed as a boxing promoter, failed with the WBF, declared bankrupt, failed with his WWE studios venture, forced to become a straight to dvd trash market, failed with XFL despite having a network TV deal, failed with XFL2, with a network TV deal, and is now seemingly failing in Wrestling too, he ruined international TV deals with the WWE network (AEW swooped in, thanks Vince) hoping for 4 million subscribers, instead they struggled to even get 1m, at $9.99, that's less than what AEW made from ppv's. Thankfully for us fans who want something a little more intelligent, a new league has appeared, and the way things are going, will be the industry leader very soon. In fact the only successful thing he's done recently is call AEW a blood & guts organisation, to which AEW trademarked the term and named a show after it. When life serves you lemons etc etc.

Kenny Omega has headlined all over the world, and voted 2nd greatest Gaijin in Japanese Puroresco history, he was offered the second largest contract in WWE history after Brock Lesnar to join, and turned it down. To say he's failed in North America ignores that every ppv he's headlined has sold out, and his segments are always the highest rated. Now viewing habits have changed and so less people are watching Wrestling, but then again less people are watching TV, and the fact that AEW is always in the top 5 shows in the TV ratings tells you all you need to know. These people are draws brother. Whichever way you wanna look at it. And as for is he the next sting, when sting had the biggest angle of his career, he had one of the worst matches against Hogan at Starrcade 97, when Kenny Omega had it, he sold 70,000 tickets in the Tokyo Dome, and broke the Meltzer 5* rating. There's levels to this, and Kenny comes out on top.

And as far as Austin not doing clownery, maybe you need to Google 'a flair for the old', have fun.

I watched it myself why would I form my view based on others, I have followed Ofaga from the time where he was not good enough to wrestle for Ring of Honour, all those wrestlers you mentioned are mediocre and down right goof balls who can not be taken seriously, Kenny's run in AEW thus far has been horrific, even his biggest fans concede this, in NA he is no longer protected by the language barrier, he can't talk to save his life and there is actually a clip of him in a gym room pretending not to be able to lift a few kilos, this is main star of the company, he was largely carried by the superior worker in Okada and now that he is required to compete regularly on TV he has been exposed and Mr Meltzer can give him a million stars but it wont hide how awful he is in the ring and his persona is pathetic and childish, a video game nerd, he has been invovled in angles where he dresses up as Princess Jasmin and his fans think he can work because he done flips with blow up dolls, majority of his fans are on Grinder or have weird fetishes which he conveyes through his cosplay acts, this is the guy who is supposed to be your equivalent of Crow Sting or Stone Cold Steve Austin, how humiliating, am not surprised he booked a convicted pedo on one of his shows not so long ago, this is the type of entertainment which his fans find so compelling

 

[Asim_khan]

I watched it myself why would I form my view based on others, I have followed Ofaga from the time where he was not good enough to wrestle for Ring of Honour, all those wrestlers you mentioned are mediocre and down right goof balls who can not be taken seriously, Kenny's run in AEW thus far has been horrific, even his biggest fans concede this, in NA he is no longer protected by the language barrier, he can't talk to save his life and there is actually a clip of him in a gym room pretending not to be able to lift a few kilos, this is main star of the company, he was largely carried by the superior worker in Okada and now that he is required to compete regularly on TV he has been exposed and Mr Meltzer can give him a million stars but it wont hide how awful he is in the ring and his persona is pathetic and childish, a video game nerd, he has been invovled in angles where he dresses up as Princess Jasmin and his fans think he can work because he done flips with blow up dolls, majority of his fans are on Grinder or have weird fetishes which he conveyes through his cosplay acts, this is the guy who is supposed to be your equivalent of Crow Sting or Stone Cold Steve Austin, how humiliating, am not surprised he booked a convicted pedo on one of his shows not so long ago, this is the type of entertainment which his fans find so compelling

1) Kenny Omega booked all 4 matches Vs Okada, Okada admits it in his interview with the wrestling observer, so to say Okada carried him shows you're out of touch and being intellectually dishonest. He also had bangers against Ishii, Tanahashi, Naito etc so I think you'll find it was a body of work which got him over. And that's before you count his work as a junior.

2) Funny you say he can't talk, when his promo on Moxley last week (the dad one) was voted promo of 2020 so far by Busted Open Radio fans, but you go right ahead and believe what Cornette tells you. Just cos he doesn't talk like a flabby 80's NWA mid carder with bad hair with a constipated accent does not mean he can't cut a promo, it just means he's beyond some cheap crappy standard.

3) You say he's been awful in NA, you find me a bigger pop in any Wrestling over him kicking out of the Golden Trigger at AEW Revolution? Bigger than Edge returning, bigger than Kevin Owens going at Takeover, the guy is a star, and that match was voted the greatest tag team wrestling match ever by Meltzer, by Johnson, by PWTorch, even Cornette had to eat humble pie and admit it was good. Also merely days before he had the 30 mins iron man match against PAC, which was voted the greatest TV match of all time, not bad for someone you claim is rubbish. So he had the greatest singles match ever Vs Okada, greatest tag match ever Vs Young Bucks, and the greatest TV match ever Vs PAC, you see why they call him the best bout machine. I know it hurts, you may not like it, but accept it.

4) Yes he booked Chasyn Rance for a preliminary match during the CEO show because he'd allowed the use of his ring as a repayment of a favour, since he'd been in Japan semi permanently since 2006, he wasn't aware, once he found out he apologised profusely, which is still available on his twitter account and said he'd never work with him again. It was the first show he ever booked and he erred in judgment. Now speaking of Chasyn, everyone is familiar with the fact he's a pedo right? So why are WWE talent going to use his ring in 2020, Katy Costanza and Ricochet are pictured with him.

And people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, with Pat Patterson having been employed by WWE, need I bring up the cream team? The ring boy scandal? Should I mention Vince and the Rita Chatterton allegations he paid hush money? Or Randy Orton's uncle's allegations? And as for your beloved Stone Cold, which eye on Debra was it that he blackened and ran out on WWE with??

 

[shaz619]

1) Kenny Omega booked all 4 matches Vs Okada, Okada admits it in his interview with the wrestling observer, so to say Okada carried him shows you're out of touch and being intellectually dishonest. He also had bangers against Ishii, Tanahashi, Naito etc so I think you'll find it was a body of work which got him over. And that's before you count his work as a junior.

2) Funny you say he can't talk, when his promo on Moxley last week (the dad one) was voted promo of 2020 so far by Busted Open Radio fans, but you go right ahead and believe what Cornette tells you. Just cos he doesn't talk like a flabby 80's NWA mid carder with bad hair with a constipated accent does not mean he can't cut a promo, it just means he's beyond some cheap crappy standard.

3) You say he's been awful in NA, you find me a bigger pop in any Wrestling over him kicking out of the Golden Trigger at AEW Revolution? Bigger than Edge returning, bigger than Kevin Owens going at Takeover, the guy is a star, and that match was voted the greatest tag team wrestling match ever by Meltzer, by Johnson, by PWTorch, even Cornette had to eat humble pie and admit it was good. Also merely days before he had the 30 mins iron man match against PAC, which was voted the greatest TV match of all time, not bad for someone you claim is rubbish. So he had the greatest singles match ever Vs Okada, greatest tag match ever Vs Young Bucks, and the greatest TV match ever Vs PAC, you see why they call him the best bout machine. I know it hurts, you may not like it, but accept it.

4) Yes he booked Chasyn Rance for a preliminary match during the CEO show because he'd allowed the use of his ring as a repayment of a favour, since he'd been in Japan semi permanently since 2006, he wasn't aware, once he found out he apologised profusely, which is still available on his twitter account and said he'd never work with him again. It was the first show he ever booked and he erred in judgment. Now speaking of Chasyn, everyone is familiar with the fact he's a pedo right? So why are WWE talent going to use his ring in 2020, Katy Costanza and Ricochet are pictured with him.

And people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, with Pat Patterson having been employed by WWE, need I bring up the cream team? The ring boy scandal? Should I mention Vince and the Rita Chatterton allegations he paid hush money? Or Randy Orton's uncle's allegations? And as for your beloved Stone Cold, which eye on Debra was it that he blackened and ran out on WWE with??

The likes of Okada can have classic matches with a broom stick and his resume speaks for itself , it says more for their ability then Kenny Omega who has failed to breakout as a major singles main event player he was expected to be in AEW and is now protecting himself in a tag team after a failed singles run due to his poor in ring IQ, limited mic ability and goofy persona not to mention how he panders to the homosexual community and the creepy cosplay fetish his fans have. he can't talk to save his life he doesn't sound remotely threatning and he is unable to comprehend the purpose of a good promo, he is worse then the jobbers who worked sunday night heat, his best promo is dressing up like a woman and failing at lifting some weights, who would even get wet ovee this dude is beyond me you going on like he can talk as if he is Punk or Austin. Vote this and vote that, its all meaningless, everyone and their dog are aware he is no where close to being a a great, those who put him over are in bed with him, trying to sugar coat his overall failures when all he for going for him is the approval of brain dead fans who like a specific niche, one which extends beyond the norms in wrestling and emphasises a lack of masculinity and emotion. And that's all he is, one big cheap pop from fans who lack the intellectual capacity or awareness to appreciate good wrestling and stories, therefore take the opposing view and pop for a dump just for the sake of it, such a niche using this one example to put over his run in NA explains what a failure he has been and has always been. Kenny not only booked a pedo, he also abused a little girl in Japan and then wrestling blow up dolls and dressing like a lady boy to hide his poor character work doesn't reflect well on the GOAT of mentally inept hipster smarks.

 

[Asim_khan]

Just goes to show how little you pay attention to what's going on, that guy who's hiding was the number 3 trending video on YouTube this week, maybe bring yourself into the 21sr century rather than that echo chamber with the rest of the fat marks. Stop listening to what that idiot islamophobe Jim Cornette is saying, he's a failure, everything he touched turned to garbage, didn't he say AEW would be out of business by April 2019? What happened? Still in business, bringing in coins, whilst SMW is history thanks to Cornette's old fashioned booking which nobody cares about.

Omega"s not been hiding in a tag team for a while, if you know anything about his history you'd know he's always been in tag teams, he's had some of the greatest matches ever, way better than anything you've seen in your echo chamber, and the reason they didn't push him as a champion is because idiots would complain that the EVP shouldn't be made champion, which guess what, surprise surprise, idiots are saying how, so predictable.

And abused that little girl? Okada could have a match with a broom? Did you see his match Vs O-Khan?? You don't watch so you, you're prentedning to watch, you're exposing your own ignorance here. Once again the intellectual dishonesty rears its ugly head, you do know who Emi Sakura is right? You can tell when someone's lost the argument, they make ridiculous accusations which are frankly laughable. "Poor deluded children" as Kenny Omega says. Kenny Omega Vs Yoshihiko is better than Okada Vs the Broom.

Speaking of brooms, the cleaner is back baby. And he's in the hottest storyline in pro wrestling. Why's Kenny turning up on TNA/impact wrestling? That's right, the pro wrestling landscape is changing. Another place Cornette was fired from for his racism and garbage booking which nobody watches.

 

[shaz619]

Just goes to show how little you pay attention to what's going on, that guy who's hiding was the number 3 trending video on YouTube this week, maybe bring yourself into the 21sr century rather than that echo chamber with the rest of the fat marks. Stop listening to what that idiot islamophobe Jim Cornette is saying, he's a failure, everything he touched turned to garbage, didn't he say AEW would be out of business by April 2019? What happened? Still in business, bringing in coins, whilst SMW is history thanks to Cornette's old fashioned booking which nobody cares about.

Omega"s not been hiding in a tag team for a while, if you know anything about his history you'd know he's always been in tag teams, he's had some of the greatest matches ever, way better than anything you've seen in your echo chamber, and the reason they didn't push him as a champion is because idiots would complain that the EVP shouldn't be made champion, which guess what, surprise surprise, idiots are saying how, so predictable.

And abused that little girl? Okada could have a match with a broom? Did you see his match Vs O-Khan?? You don't watch so you, you're prentedning to watch, you're exposing your own ignorance here. Once again the intellectual dishonesty rears its ugly head, you do know who Emi Sakura is right? You can tell when someone's lost the argument, they make ridiculous accusations which are frankly laughable. "Poor deluded children" as Kenny Omega says. Kenny Omega Vs Yoshihiko is better than Okada Vs the Broom.

Speaking of brooms, the cleaner is back baby. And he's in the hottest storyline in pro wrestling. Why's Kenny turning up on TNA/impact wrestling? That's right, the pro wrestling landscape is changing. Another place Cornette was fired from for his racism and garbage booking which nobody watches.

Outside your niche group of fans you present Kenny to anyone even on here as a great / main eventer you will get laughed at, combat sport fans would spit on those of your ilk. EVP or not, how he has booked his own angles has been pathetic and also exposes how bad he is, his fans are beyond funny given the delusional wave of greatness which they repeatedly need to bestow on him, quiet simply Omega is not equipped to succeed as a top main event singles star in AEW, they need a WWE rejects to carry the company for them, Kenny brings nothing to the table and can't evoke emotion like a Cody on the brand and therefore doesn't have the all round skills needed in a top spot in America, so contrary to what you presume there are positives as said earlier, but this delusional worship of Kenny Ofaga is exposing your fetish, he is where he belongs in a tag team doing those high spots, am sure you are probably cheering for the 'golden lovers' to come back lmao this is your crow sting and austin 3:16 LOL Kenny is a hero for gays and tranny's and especially those who have cosplay fetish, Okada could have a match with a Broom he elevated himself to another level when he convinced the world Kenny must be some GOAT lmao someone like Okada you just watch and see how he is a master in the ring from how technically sound he is, makes everything he does look so easy/fluid/smooth; those with a supreme level of understanding/intellecr could watch him for a few mins and see that he passes the eye test for a great, you show someone a video of Kenny and unless you are his niche hipster you would disturbed to say that you feel the same way about his work, he is a tag team specialist and nothinf more, there is no beauty in his technique and all he has is speed, stiff knee strikes and athletics, nothing in between and his work isn't great to watch on the eye either like Okada's, tag team matches now are massive spot festa and this is where Kenny Ofaga is best utilised in NA, his fans should take it as a compliment

 

[Asim_khan]

Outside your niche group of fans you present Kenny to anyone even on here as a great / main eventer you will get laughed at, combat sport fans would spit on those of your ilk. EVP or not, how he has booked his own angles has been pathetic and also exposes how bad he is, his fans are beyond funny given the delusional wave of greatness which they repeatedly need to bestow on him, quiet simply Omega is not equipped to succeed as a top main event singles star in AEW, they need a WWE rejects to carry the company for them, Kenny brings nothing to the table and can't evoke emotion like a Cody on the brand and therefore doesn't have the all round skills needed in a top spot in America, so contrary to what you presume there are positives as said earlier, but this delusional worship of Kenny Ofaga is exposing your fetish, he is where he belongs in a tag team doing those high spots, am sure you are probably cheering for the 'golden lovers' to come back lmao this is your crow sting and austin 3:16 LOL Kenny is a hero for gays and tranny's and especially those who have cosplay fetish, Okada could have a match with a Broom he elevated himself to another level when he convinced the world Kenny must be some GOAT lmao someone like Okada you just watch and see how he is a master in the ring from how technically sound he is, makes everything he does look so easy/fluid/smooth; those with a supreme level of understanding/intellecr could watch him for a few mins and see that he passes the eye test for a great, you show someone a video of Kenny and unless you are his niche hipster you would be disturbed to say that you feel the same way about his work, he is a tag team specialist and nothinf more, there is no beauty in his technique and all he has is speed, stiff knee strikes and athletics, nothing in between and his work isn't great to watch on the eye either like Okada's, tag team matches now are massive spot festa and this is where Kenny Ofaga is best utilised in NA, his fans should take it as a compliment

You've literally said nothing here which you haven't said already, none of it is fact, merely rumor, conjecture and opinion from someone who stopped paying attention to what was relevant a long time ago. You're so ill informed that you actually think Kenny Omega is still in a tag team, that is funny. I doubt you even know who the Great O-Khan is, so I won't bring him up or his match with Okada, you've got enough to brush up on when it comes to pro wrestling, but I will say Okada's last great match was against Ibushi at WK14, and he's the reason Naito still hasn't had a defining moment with a banger of a match, you can wax lyrical all you about how you prefer his technical smoothness, but Kenny Omega, in spite of all those supposed deficiencies you mentioned made Naito a main eventer with the G1 classic final matches.

Even your personal attacks, your homphobia, transphobia, your use of mental illness as a punchline is just like your Pro Wrestling knowledge, of a bygone age, I'm frankly embarassed but not surprised by it, since you're quite obviously a cult of Cornette listener, I picture you high fiving yourself thinking you've come out with a real zinger, instead it's coming across as desperate, like a disco santa claus. Even Vince realised times were changing and moved on the old guard in 2002, but here you are still hoping for a return to the attitude era, forgetting that beyond the main event scene, we had garbage like Val Venis which has aged so poorly, even Vince is keeping it off the Network.

I'm so glad AEW is pushing progressiveness and pushing those against it into their little echo chambers, and you're right, I'd love to see the Golden Lovers reunite, if for no other reason than to see the horror on the fact of the bigots who should've been dropped off in the last century. Then again WWE seem to share my love for them, cos they tried signing Ibushi too during the Cruiserweight Classic.

Oh and a final note, remember that niche market you claimed? Well guess who made the Best Performances of 2020 in the New York Times, who just happen to have the largest circulation in the USA, scribed by no less than a Pulitzer prize winner? Have a read.... https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/04/arts/best-performances.html

 

[shaz619]

You've literally said nothing here which you haven't said already, none of it is fact, merely rumor, conjecture and opinion from someone who stopped paying attention to what was relevant a long time ago. You're so ill informed that you actually think Kenny Omega is still in a tag team, that is funny. I doubt you even know who the Great O-Khan is, so I won't bring him up or his match with Okada, you've got enough to brush up on when it comes to pro wrestling, but I will say Okada's last great match was against Ibushi at WK14, and he's the reason Naito still hasn't had a defining moment with a banger of a match, you can wax lyrical all you about how you prefer his technical smoothness, but Kenny Omega, in spite of all those supposed deficiencies you mentioned made Naito a main eventer with the G1 classic final matches.

Even your personal attacks, your homphobia, transphobia, your use of mental illness as a punchline is just like your Pro Wrestling knowledge, of a bygone age, I'm frankly embarassed but not surprised by it, since you're quite obviously a cult of Cornette listener, I picture you high fiving yourself thinking you've come out with a real zinger, instead it's coming across as desperate, like a disco santa claus. Even Vince realised times were changing and moved on the old guard in 2002, but here you are still hoping for a return to the attitude era, forgetting that beyond the main event scene, we had garbage like Val Venis which has aged so poorly, even Vince is keeping it off the Network.

I'm so glad AEW is pushing progressiveness and pushing those against it into their little echo chambers, and you're right, I'd love to see the Golden Lovers reunite, if for no other reason than to see the horror on the fact of the bigots who should've been dropped off in the last century. Then again WWE seem to share my love for them, cos they tried signing Ibushi too during the Cruiserweight Classic.

Oh and a final note, remember that niche market you claimed? Well guess who made the Best Performances of 2020 in the New York Times, who just happen to have the largest circulation in the USA, scribed by no less than a Pulitzer prize winner? Have a read.... https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/04/arts/best-performances.html

Seriously you are advocating a narrative which suggests Kenny is the best ever and how Okada is inferior compared to him, I think it is only fitting wrestling is so embarrassing more then ever in this era when we have delusional fans like you who think they are hypocritically progressive for their fandom of performers who are beyond trash or favours putting over his mates in top spots or storylines which pander to homosexuals for the sake of it, and those are not supposed deficiencies it is there for all to see, Kenny as an individual talent skill for skill does not compare to any of the top stars past or present and I genuinely will not go out of my way to watch his matches twice, he needs an Okada or another highly skilled in ring talent to have a good match, you are too high on Meltzer and his opinions on Kenny which are driven by his friendship with Omega among others. And as I said I want the company to do well but they and their pandering towards fans like you and your extremely pathetic, repulsive and regressive taste/take on wrestling today wont help and these views of mine are there in addition to the fact that I have liked what Jericho has done thus far, my fav match of 2019 in Cody/Dustin and promising work from the likes of Adam Page, MJF and Private Party, beyond that there is no structure or plan to make anyone a mainstream star, instead the booking is pure rubbish and designed to make folk like you pop for anything.

 

[Asim_khan]

Seriously you are advocating a narrative which suggests Kenny is the best ever and how Okada is inferior compared to him, I think it is only fitting wrestling is so embarrassing more then ever in this era when we have delusional fans like you who think they are hypocritically progressive for their fandom of performers who are beyond trash or favours putting over his mates in top spots or storylines which pander to homosexuals for the sake of it, and those are not supposed deficiencies it is there for all to see, Kenny as an individual talent skill for skill does not compare to any of the top stars past or present and I genuinely will not go out of my way to watch his matches twice, he needs an Okada or another highly skilled in ring talent to have a good match, you are too high on Meltzer and his opinions on Kenny which are driven by his friendship with Omega among others. And as I said I want the company to do well but they and their pandering towards fans like you and your extremely pathetic, repulsive and regressive taste/take on wrestling today wont help and these views of mine are there in addition to the fact that I have liked what Jericho has done thus far, my fav match of 2019 in Cody/Dustin and promising work from the likes of Adam Page, MJF and Private Party, beyond that there is no structure or plan to make anyone a mainstream star, instead the booking is pure rubbish and designed to make folk like you pop for anything.

No structure or plan to make any mainstream stars yet one of them is being talked about as the face of the next Tony Hawk skater game? Yes, you've really done your home work. Maybe if rather than the quite suspicious internalized homophobic attacks, you actually did your home work you'd realize how ill thought through that was.

Orange Cassidy is the face of TNT and is scheduled on a ESPN prime time show, Cody is hosting a talent show with Rosaria Dawson & Snoop Dogg, the Go Big show, google it, A few of the womens wrestlers are filming Snowpiercer, yet you allege there's no mainstream penetration, laughable.

Oh and they've just announced Shaq for the next Dynamite, so much for zero mainstream penetration, Vince would kill for this, when he's got exactly zero mainstream stars now that Brock Lesnar is no longer under contract.

 

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No structure or plan to make any mainstream stars yet one of them is being talked about as the face of the next Tony Hawk skater game? Yes, you've really done your home work. Maybe if rather than the quite suspicious internalized homophobic attacks, you actually did your home work you'd realize how ill thought through that was.

Orange Cassidy is the face of TNT and is scheduled on a ESPN prime time show, Cody is hosting a talent show with Rosaria Dawson & Snoop Dogg, the Go Big show, google it, A few of the womens wrestlers are filming Snowpiercer, yet you allege there's no mainstream penetration, laughable.

Oh and they've just announced Shaq for the next Dynamite, so much for zero mainstream penetration, Vince would kill for this, when he's got exactly zero mainstream stars now that Brock Lesnar is no longer under contract.

Structure / plan is required with regards to the creative team which in AEW is pretty non-existent, . AEW appeals mostly to their niche hipster smark audience, they have zero potential to ever compete with WWE on a monumental scale unless there are drastic structural and creative changes so the comparisons are beyond laughable, AEW is a glorified indie promotion which is only good enough to compete with WWE's developmental talent at NXT.

Kenny Omega is meant to be your top guy, nothing more then a guy who is good at tag team wrestling and and jumping around like a clown, zero psychology / story telling and horrific mic skills.

And this bloke who wrestles with his hands in his pockets and you have a problem with why those who switched to combat sports laugh at the wrestling industry:

We are meant to believe these two are the best things in wrestling right now and superior to men like Drew and Roman Reigns [MENTION=147292]RedwoodOriginal[/MENTION] [MENTION=134981]Bhaag Viru Bhaag[/MENTION] [MENTION=149506]andy0204[/MENTION]

 

[andy0204]

Structure / plan is required with regards to the creative team which in AEW is pretty non-existent. AEW appeals mostly to their niche hipster smark audience, they have zero potential to ever compete with WWE on a monumental scale unless there are drastic structural and creative changes so the comparisons are beyond laughable, AEW is a glorified indie promotion which is only good enough to compete with WWE's developmental talent at NXT.

Kenny Omega is meant to be your top guy, nothing more then a guy who is good at tag team wrestling and and jumping around like a clown, zero psychology / story telling and horrific mic skills.

And this bloke who wrestles with his hands in his pockets and you have a problem with why those who switched to combat sports laugh at the wrestling industry:

We are meant to believe these two are the best things in wrestling right now and superior to men like Drew and Roman Reigns [MENTION=147292]RedwoodOriginal[/MENTION] [MENTION=134981]Bhaag Viru Bhaag[/MENTION] [MENTION=149506]andy0204[/MENTION]]

Two words for you TNA 2.0

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Structure / plan is required with regards to the creative team which in AEW is pretty non-existent. AEW appeals mostly to their niche hipster smark audience, they have zero potential to ever compete with WWE on a monumental scale unless there are drastic structural and creative changes so the comparisons are beyond laughable, AEW is a glorified indie promotion which is only good enough to compete with WWE's developmental talent at NXT.

Kenny Omega is meant to be your top guy, nothing more then a guy who is good at tag team wrestling and and jumping around like a clown, zero psychology / story telling and horrific mic skills.

And this bloke who wrestles with his hands in his pockets and you have a problem with why those who switched to combat sports laugh at the wrestling industry:

We are meant to believe these two are the best things in wrestling right now and superior to men like Drew and Roman Reigns [MENTION=147292]RedwoodOriginal[/MENTION] [MENTION=134981]Bhaag Viru Bhaag[/MENTION] [MENTION=149506]andy0204[/MENTION]

AEW is dream come true for all these undercard indie guys who could never make it to a promotion like WWE. They get to do basically whatever they like and no one bats an eye. The end result is an incredibly disjointed product. On one hand, there is some genuine talent on their roster. And I have really enjoyed certain matches on their PPVs.

On the other hand, there is no consistency to the story-telling. Alot of the stuff feels incredibly dated, alot of the angles have no real dramatic heft to them and alot of the guys who are being pushed are terrible. I mean Orange Cassidy could never be anything more than a comedy act in any promotion on the planet besides AEW, where he is beating Jericho.

Even Moxley, who is arguably their top guy is doing death-match garbage wrestling. You would think that a guy who has such a great look, is downright outstanding on promos, has very good in-ring ability and has actually been in the WWE; would actually be able to instill some professionalism in these guys. But no, instead you get him trying to put a submission hold on Eddie Kingston with a barbed wire. If I wanted to see this kind of nonsense I would just watch ROH.

There are 5 things I like about AEW.

1. Moxley. Despite his garbage wrestling obsession he has all the tools. And I'm glad he is allowed to embrace his true gimmick here instead of craZy Dean Ambrose which was a waste of his talent and ability.

2. MJF. This kid can be an absolute star, he already is in my book. Probably one of the best heels in wrestling period and very young too. It's a shame he is working for a third-rate wrestling promotion.

3. Jericho. Because he's Chris Jericho, a creative genius who can turn anything to gold.

4. Cody. It's good to see Cody too embrace his real gimmick. I always thought he was a talent in the ring but WWE badly wasted him post Legacy. His match with his brother at I think, the first ever AEW PPV was one of the best best wrestling matches I have seen in a very long time.

5. JR and Tony Schiavone on commentary. Its interesting to see two of the biggest commentators of the 90s commentating together. Tony gets alot of flak but I always thought he was solid and just had the misfortune of working for WCW. JR on the other hand is unquestionably the voice of wrestling. And listening to him reminds you of what WWE is missing inregards to commentary.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

People here are vastly overrating AEW's roster.

I am not denying that AEW doesn't have talent it does. But the vast majority of guys are frankly, terrible. Many are here because they were tired of being on the undercard in WWE. But thing is its not like they are being used any better.

Rusev was very unlucky in WWE. He was getting over with the crowd but Vince just didn't like him. Is he doing any better here as Miro? He is pigeonholed into strange angles that are LITERALLY something out of a Seinfeld episode.

Same with Matt Hardy who is doing that Ultimate Deletion nonsense that run its course 2 years ago. It's just not interesting anymore.

All Moxley ever does is deathmatch garbage wrestling. The straight-up wrestling matches that he has lack ring phycology. Case in point: his match against MJF where MJF was looking like more of a face than him.

I could go on. But fact is most of the guys on their roster are just not main-eventers in any sense of the word, in most promotions in the world. AEW needs structure, they can't let everyone going around doing whatever they like. That's not how a wrestling promotion is run. And they need to stop acquiring downright mediocre/terrible talent like Darby Allin, Private Party, the entire Dark Order, Joey Whatever, Butcher/Blade etc. etc. Just because its a promotion full of indie guys doesnt mean to pick up every indie wrestler out of a job.

Also, Omega is not that great.

 

[Asim_khan]

Interesting takes which I disagree with of course, but that's the beauty of opinions, there's never really a right or wrong answer, it's how we see things. Even if some opinions are what I'd call ill educated, especially since it's taken some over a month to reply to a rather straight forward query. Anyway I'll answer a few points.

1) Only appeals to a niche market?

Not based on facts, it's defeated Smackdown every time they've both been on cable, and out of NXT, Raw, Smackdown & AEW, only one show has increased viewership, and 3 have fallen. I'll let you guess which is which. I'll give you a clue, it's the only one Vince doesn't own. So unless Niche markets grow by 10% whilst the alleged mainstream market falls by the same number, maybe you need to have a look at that theory again.

2) Darby Allin is rubbish/not main event worthy?

Darby Allin main evented Dynamite this week, head to head against NXT's big annual tournament which was advertised on Raw and Smackdown, and featured i) NXT's most dominant and longest reigning champion ever & ii) Someone who has a Wrestlemania win over Chris Jericho in a singles match, guess what happened? Darby Allin nearly doubled them in the ratings and viewership.

3) AEW does nothing for ex WWE guys.

Funny you say that, especially since the late Jonathan Huber as Mr.Brodie Lee had all his greatest moments in AEW, as admitted by Kofi Kingston and Big E. I think I'll take their word over yours,thank you very much.

4) AEW = TNA 2.0

Samoa Joe, AJ Styles, Bobby Roode, Mia Kim, Bobby Lashley, MVP, Drew Galloway (lol Mr better than Kenny) Kurt Angle, Gunnar, the Raskalz, and on and on, I'll give you the full list if you want, but basically the whole of the main event scene during the LOLTNA phase is pretty much in WWE. And when they got tired of hiring them, they stole all of ROH's main event scene. Their home grown stars are the likes of Corbin & Braun lol.

5) Kenny Omega isn't great.

Watch his last match Vs Rey Fenix and remind the last time WWE did anything even remotely that good on TV. Another 5 star match in the bag.

Oh and AEW just announced a major deal in Africa, I'll keep you posted on the ratings when they come through in a couple of weeks. Btw AEW outdrew WWE in Canada, also more people watch AEW on ITV in the UK than people watch RAW/SMACKDOWN&NXT combined. I've already mention how AEW was the top drawing wrestling show in Brazil. Also Sky Italia cancelled their contract with WWE & instead took on AEW. How about that.

Finally, an Indian TV deal will be announced very shortly, I believe in the next few weeks. You'll hear about that too. Not bad for a niche market with a guy who wrestles with his hands in his pockets.

Speaking of.which, the opening of his match Vs PAC went viral on Reddit recently, so he's getting over. I'll be sure to keep you updated with his achievements.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Interesting takes which I disagree with of course, but that's the beauty of opinions, there's never really a right or wrong answer, it's how we see things. Even if some opinions are what I'd call ill educated, especially since it's taken some over a month to reply to a rather straight forward query. Anyway I'll answer a few points.

1) Only appeals to a niche market?

Not based on facts, it's defeated Smackdown every time they've both been on cable, and out of NXT, Raw, Smackdown & AEW, only one show has increased viewership, and 3 have fallen. I'll let you guess which is which. I'll give you a clue, it's the only one Vince doesn't own. So unless Niche markets grow by 10% whilst the alleged mainstream market falls by the same number, maybe you need to have a look at that theory again.

2) Darby Allin is rubbish/not main event worthy?

Darby Allin main evented Dynamite this week, head to head against NXT's big annual tournament which was advertised on Raw and Smackdown, and featured i) NXT's most dominant and longest reigning champion ever & ii) Someone who has a Wrestlemania win over Chris Jericho in a singles match, guess what happened? Darby Allin nearly doubled them in the ratings and viewership.

3) AEW does nothing for ex WWE guys.

Funny you say that, especially since the late Jonathan Huber as Mr.Brodie Lee had all his greatest moments in AEW, as admitted by Kofi Kingston and Big E. I think I'll take their word over yours,thank you very much.

4) AEW = TNA 2.0

Samoa Joe, AJ Styles, Bobby Roode, Mia Kim, Bobby Lashley, MVP, Drew Galloway (lol Mr better than Kenny) Kurt Angle, Gunnar, the Raskalz, and on and on, I'll give you the full list if you want, but basically the whole of the main event scene during the LOLTNA phase is pretty much in WWE. And when they got tired of hiring them, they stole all of ROH's main event scene. Their home grown stars are the likes of Corbin & Braun lol.

5) Kenny Omega isn't great.

Watch his last match Vs Rey Fenix and remind the last time WWE did anything even remotely that good on TV. Another 5 star match in the bag.

Oh and AEW just announced a major deal in Africa, I'll keep you posted on the ratings when they come through in a couple of weeks. Btw AEW outdrew WWE in Canada, also more people watch AEW on ITV in the UK than people watch RAW/SMACKDOWN&NXT combined. I've already mention how AEW was the top drawing wrestling show in Brazil. Also Sky Italia cancelled their contract with WWE & instead took on AEW. How about that.

Finally, an Indian TV deal will be announced very shortly, I believe in the next few weeks. You'll hear about that too. Not bad for a niche market with a guy who wrestles with his hands in his pockets.

Speaking of.which, the opening of his match Vs PAC went viral on Reddit recently, so he's getting over. I'll be sure to keep you updated with his achievements.

If your barometer for success is PPV buys and other obscure demo nonsense then what is the difference between you and a PR guy working at one of the companies?

Judging wrestling based on how much money something makes or how many eyeballs something gets is like judging a movie based on how well it does in the box-office...and even based on that AEW dwarves in comparison to WWE. Yes its a business and these things are important, to an extent. But if AEW claim to be a company that's about wrestling, an alternative to WWE's corporately sanitized product then why should these factors have anything to do with the quality of the product?

I judge wrestling based on what I see in the ring and what I see on the microphone. Darby Allin literally looks like a high-school emo who somehow managed to get into a wrestling promotion. He tries way too hard to channel Sting with the standing in the rafters, it never comes off and in the end you are left with the ridiculous image of Sting standing in the ring with a 16 year old kid.

And because of his horrendous physique you can't put him in a serious match against main-event level guy. Take his match against Brian Cage last week. Now Brian Cage has main-event potential if it was just him and Taz, instead of all those other weirdos they've stuck him and Taz with. But the match he had with Allin was SO bad. I mean the kind of things Allin was doing to win; from biting Cage to tying his legs with a belt. Is that supposed to make me take him seriously? And am I really supposed to believe that a guy who looks like Brian Cage would not just smash Allin from pole to post iif he wanted to? I mean even my 15 year old brother has a better physique than Allin. When you see a match with such terrible ring psychology and that too for the main mid-card belt, then its hard to take the product seriously.

As for Omega. I don't like his style of wrestling. Way too New Japan-ey, but that's okay. That's a personal preference. But tell me, what exactly does this guy have that makes him look like a main-eventer? His mic skills are zero. His presence is non-existent. He has absolutely no personality.

Brodie Lee was a bright spot for me personally. But again, even with him they made the whole Dark Order stuff so downright nonsensical that it diminished what he brought to the table as a talent. AEW is terrible at making stables. The few times that The Inner Circle works is only because of Jericho. The rest of the stables are terrible and every stable has 3-4 guys that shouldn't even have a job at AEW, let alone be in that stable.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Interesting takes which I disagree with of course, but that's the beauty of opinions, there's never really a right or wrong answer, it's how we see things. Even if some opinions are what I'd call ill educated, especially since it's taken some over a month to reply to a rather straight forward query. Anyway I'll answer a few points.

1) Only appeals to a niche market?

Not based on facts, it's defeated Smackdown every time they've both been on cable, and out of NXT, Raw, Smackdown & AEW, only one show has increased viewership, and 3 have fallen. I'll let you guess which is which. I'll give you a clue, it's the only one Vince doesn't own. So unless Niche markets grow by 10% whilst the alleged mainstream market falls by the same number, maybe you need to have a look at that theory again.

2) Darby Allin is rubbish/not main event worthy?

Darby Allin main evented Dynamite this week, head to head against NXT's big annual tournament which was advertised on Raw and Smackdown, and featured i) NXT's most dominant and longest reigning champion ever & ii) Someone who has a Wrestlemania win over Chris Jericho in a singles match, guess what happened? Darby Allin nearly doubled them in the ratings and viewership.

3) AEW does nothing for ex WWE guys.

Funny you say that, especially since the late Jonathan Huber as Mr.Brodie Lee had all his greatest moments in AEW, as admitted by Kofi Kingston and Big E. I think I'll take their word over yours,thank you very much.

4) AEW = TNA 2.0

Samoa Joe, AJ Styles, Bobby Roode, Mia Kim, Bobby Lashley, MVP, Drew Galloway (lol Mr better than Kenny) Kurt Angle, Gunnar, the Raskalz, and on and on, I'll give you the full list if you want, but basically the whole of the main event scene during the LOLTNA phase is pretty much in WWE. And when they got tired of hiring them, they stole all of ROH's main event scene. Their home grown stars are the likes of Corbin & Braun lol.

5) Kenny Omega isn't great.

Watch his last match Vs Rey Fenix and remind the last time WWE did anything even remotely that good on TV. Another 5 star match in the bag.

Oh and AEW just announced a major deal in Africa, I'll keep you posted on the ratings when they come through in a couple of weeks. Btw AEW outdrew WWE in Canada, also more people watch AEW on ITV in the UK than people watch RAW/SMACKDOWN&NXT combined. I've already mention how AEW was the top drawing wrestling show in Brazil. Also Sky Italia cancelled their contract with WWE & instead took on AEW. How about that.

Finally, an Indian TV deal will be announced very shortly, I believe in the next few weeks. You'll hear about that too. Not bad for a niche market with a guy who wrestles with his hands in his pockets.

Speaking of.which, the opening of his match Vs PAC went viral on Reddit recently, so he's getting over. I'll be sure to keep you updated with his achievements.

You attributing the Darby v Jericho match to Darby is funny. Seems like you have forgotten who is the Demo God.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

There are three major differences between WWE and AEW.

Let's drop the stealing talent argument because AEW is full of ex-WWE guys. And let's also drop the numbers differential because WWE is a corporate behemoth, whereas AEW's competition is with WWE's developmental brand: NXT.


One, WWE's roster is not full of indie rejects who don't deserve to be employed at anything above ROH.

Two, WWE knows how to make stars. And they have the tools, money, resources, along with the mythology that comes with certain events i.e. Royal Rumble, MITB, WrestleMania to take guys to the next level. No other wrestling promotion can do this. And there is a reason why every wrestler dreams of main-eventing WrestleMania as opposed to main-eventing Slammiversery or Double or Nothing lol.

Three, there is actually some focus to story-telling in WWE. There is a direction with the top guys. I cannot say the same for AEW. Now I'm not saying WWE is great or anything. RAW for me has become hard to watch, and I basically watch clips of certain segments of it on YouTube. But atleast there is some direction to the storylines. You have an idea where things are going. You anticipate certain things. Can't say the same for AEW.

 

[Asim_khan]

You attributing the Darby v Jericho match to Darby is funny. Seems like you have forgotten who is the Demo God.

What?? You aren't just in the wrong time zone, you're over a year out.

Darby Vs Jericho was in October 2019. Jericho was the Painmaker in that feud btw, Demogod was still about 9 months and a run as 'le champion' away from happening.

Darby Vs Cage was this past Wednesday (great match if you've not seen it, with one of the great table spots in years) was for the TNT title, Darby as the champion is the A side of the feud

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

What?? You aren't just in the wrong time zone, you're over a year out.

Darby Vs Jericho was in October 2019. Jericho was the Painmaker in that feud btw, Demogod was still about 9 months and a run as 'le champion' away from happening.

Darby Vs Cage was this past Wednesday (great match if you've not seen it, with one of the great table spots in years) was for the TNT title, Darby as the champion is the A side of the feud

LOL no need to be a mark. I was just joking. It was a really funny quirk of Jericho that I liked which is why I was referencing it.

I suggest you read the other post I quoted you in. I addressed the Cage v Darby match in that.

 

[Asim_khan]

LOL no need to be a mark. I was just joking. It was a really funny quirk of Jericho that I liked which is why I was referencing it.

I suggest you read the other post I quoted you in. I addressed the Cage v Darby match in that.

It's like talking to someone who watched Wrestling casually in the 80's and has literally bought everything Vince sold him. Some people prefer in ring work over looking like a walking steroid factory. I prefer my I quit matches where 2 guys beat each other up, not Roman reigns stood with a mic for 95% of the match cos he can't tell a story with his in ring work.

Also,Unfortunately for you, UFC 1 happened and 160lbs soaking wet Royce Gracie beat all the 300lb guys, and suddenly the world woke up to the fact size does not matter. You talk psychology, you talk story telling, what beats a genetic muscular freak like cage ragdolling a modern day "Jackass" style skating stunt man, only to be beaten by an amateur wrestling tilt, the very same move Taz accused Darby of not knowing 7 months previously, get you claim it has none of this.

And however you want to rate AEW, whatever barometer you want to measure their success, whether it's ppv's, demo ratings, or even critical acclaim, AEW will come out on top, Whatculture, Wrestling Observer, PWTorch, Pwinsider, 411Wrestling (RIP Csonka) regularly rate AEW the show of the week.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

It's like talking to someone who watched Wrestling casually in the 80's and has literally bought everything Vince sold him. Some people prefer in ring work over looking like a walking steroid factory. I prefer my I quit matches where 2 guys beat each other up, not Roman reigns stood with a mic for 95% of the match cos he can't tell a story with his in ring work.

Also,Unfortunately for you, UFC 1 happened and 160lbs soaking wet Royce Gracie beat all the 300lb guys, and suddenly the world woke up to the fact size does not matter. You talk psychology, you talk story telling, what beats a genetic muscular freak like cage ragdolling a modern day "Jackass" style skating stunt man, only to be beaten by an amateur wrestling tilt, the very same move Taz accused Darby of not knowing 7 months previously, get you claim it has none of this.

And however you want to rate AEW, whatever barometer you want to measure their success, whether it's ppv's, demo ratings, or even critical acclaim, AEW will come out on top, Whatculture, Wrestling Observer, PWTorch, Pwinsider, 411Wrestling (RIP Csonka) regularly rate AEW the show of the week.

LOL quite some assumptions you are making there. Contrary to what you are saying I am not someone who only likes walking steroid factories. I didnt watch WWE in the 80s. I prefer in-ring ability and mic skills more and some of the guys I loved most in WWE: Jericho, Eddie, Angle, Benoit and Mysterio were complete the anti-thesis of that. But I know a good wrestling match when I see one. And thing is I love a number of different kind of matches. Whether its a straight-up fight or a good gimmick match. But there is a way to do certain things. Putting a guy in a submission hold with a barbed wire is just low-grade ROH type nonsense. That's not an I Quit match.

Also to say that Reigns is on the mic 95% of the match is hilarious. Reigns is much more of a star than 99% of the guys in AEW, in the ring and on the mic. The match he had with KO at TLC last month was a testament of that. It was an absolute fight and it reminded everyone why he is the top guy in WWE. Same goes for Drew.

I barely understood a word you said in the second paragraph because frankly your punctuation was all over the place but fact is that no one is buying a kid like Darby Allin beating someone like Cage. Even in wrestling there has to be some iota of believability. The reason guys who weren't steroid factories (as you say) got over was because they had something. Look at Jeff Hardy, look at Mysterio, even Punk and Eddie and Jericho were never exactly pristine physical specimens. But you believed them because of what they offered in the ring. With Punk and Jericho it was the mic skills too.

Darby Allin has none of these things. He's leaning heavily on the underdog gimmick but thing is its hard to even believe him as an underdog.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Even Rey who is considered the ultimate small guy in WWE has a body. He has muscles, he is in good physical condition. When I look at Darby Allin, I think of my younger 15 year old brother in face paint.

Size is not something you can control. But to look like the way Darby Allin does, physically, is frankly shameful.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Also, am I the only one who thinks its weird that AEW has guys like Brian Cage and Hager on their roster. Guys who look like main-eventers, are very good in the ring, Hager is an actual athlete with an amateur wrestling & MMA background, and they are somehow in a worse place in AEW than they were in WWE and TNA.

Both are stuffed in stables that dilute their personality when both could be great monster heels. I mean just think how great it would be if Hager is pushed as a monster heel with Arn Anderson as his mouth-piece. And the bonus of having guys who can play that top heel role believably is that you can use them to put up and coming babyfaces over.

The fact that Cage, Hager, MJF don't have a title on their waist but Darby Allin does, sums up the booking quality of AEW.

[MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] what does a guy like Hager have to do to finally be given a proper chance to shine as a talent?

 

[shaz619]

It's like talking to someone who watched Wrestling casually in the 80's and has literally bought everything Vince sold him. Some people prefer in ring work over looking like a walking steroid factory. I prefer my I quit matches where 2 guys beat each other up, not Roman reigns stood with a mic for 95% of the match cos he can't tell a story with his in ring work.

Also,Unfortunately for you, UFC 1 happened and 160lbs soaking wet Royce Gracie beat all the 300lb guys, and suddenly the world woke up to the fact size does not matter. You talk psychology, you talk story telling, what beats a genetic muscular freak like cage ragdolling a modern day "Jackass" style skating stunt man, only to be beaten by an amateur wrestling tilt, the very same move Taz accused Darby of not knowing 7 months previously, get you claim it has none of this.

And however you want to rate AEW, whatever barometer you want to measure their success, whether it's ppv's, demo ratings, or even critical acclaim, AEW will come out on top, Whatculture, Wrestling Observer, PWTorch, Pwinsider, 411Wrestling (RIP Csonka) regularly rate AEW the show of the week.

To suggest Roman can’t work suggests you need to be drug tested, but one of the posters here has already addressed that but lets get to UFC 1 because I highly doubt you have an ilk of awareness about combat sports.

UFC 1 if you believe it or not was the promotions first attempt at showcasing MMA to the mainstream audience, but it was not the MMA we know today nor does it compare to modern UFC events. The tournament was based of blood sport and it’s selling point was the clash of styles, meaning how would a boxer do against the wrestler, is kung fu superior or karate ? how effective will BJJ be, on top of that the event was not regulated and officials lacked complete awareness of something as simple as when to call a tap out. You had guys going up against each other who were inexperienced in MMA or had none at all coming from a different sport, it takes away any weight advantage an opponent will have and with Gracie coming from a family who founded BJJ he had a distinct advantage at that point in time. MMA has evolved and we now have weight classes for a reason, the competitiveness is on another level. Conor is not going to defeat someone like a DC. So to even consider this example to justify how your midget wrestler deserves a mega push / go over guys who you can’t really see him beating in anyway is stupid beyond belief, on top of that as far as am aware Darby Allin doesn’t have any previous experience either in MMA or a any combat sport, it just shows how out of depth hipster smarks have become.

And oh right the wrestling observer, remind us again all the relationships Mr Meltzer has with some of the top stars of AEW, I wonder what the guy who invented his 5 star match rating has to say. Any tom dick or harry can write you a positive review, the minnows of AEW can hold on to that for as long as they possibly can to stay relevant and convince themselves that the dump someone just took in the AEW ring was their greatest moment in life.

 

[shaz619]

Also, am I the only one who thinks its weird that AEW has guys like Brian Cage and Hager on their roster. Guys who look like main-eventers, are very good in the ring, Hager is an actual athlete with an amateur wrestling & MMA background, and they are somehow in a worse place in AEW than they were in WWE and TNA.

Both are stuffed in stables that dilute their personality when both could be great monster heels. I mean just think how great it would be if Hager is pushed as a monster heel with Arn Anderson as his mouth-piece. And the bonus of having guys who can play that top heel role believably is that you can use them to put up and coming babyfaces over.

The fact that Cage, Hager, MJF don't have a title on their waist but Darby Allin does, sums up the booking quality of AEW.

[MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] what does a guy like Hager have to do to finally be given a proper chance to shine as a talent?

Not just Darby Allin what about their horrific womens division, last I checked some woman won it and it turned out she is actually a man like what the heck? and prior to that a little girl won the title from that bloke! that little girl looked like a 7 year old and has a close relationship with Kenny who is one of the bookers on AEW the nepotism is pathetic, I believe Thunder Rosa has signed with them which is positive but I have no idea how she is being used, it saddens me that she joined such a clown show

Hager for one needs to be presented as more then muscle / meat head, I actually felt as though he would be pushed as a top star and as you say with his background there are so many major selling points. He definitely needs a mouth piece as mic work has never been one of his strengths, someone like a Paul Heyman would have done a tremendous job putting him over, am not sure if Arn would be a good match but they have had Jake Roberts do some stuff for them but I think he is working with someone else. Someone like Arn would be perfect for their booking team, I ask myself why is he so happy to just see such a big sh!t show before him ? maybe at this point just happy to collect a pay check. But with Hager regardless of the manager, just book him strong, emphasis his background and limit the mic time / focus more on the video packages / backstage pre taped interviews similar to when Brock first returned from the UFC for his feud with Cena

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Structure / plan is required with regards to the creative team which in AEW is pretty non-existent, . AEW appeals mostly to their niche hipster smark audience, they have zero potential to ever compete with WWE on a monumental scale unless there are drastic structural and creative changes so the comparisons are beyond laughable, AEW is a glorified indie promotion which is only good enough to compete with WWE's developmental talent at NXT.

Kenny Omega is meant to be your top guy, nothing more then a guy who is good at tag team wrestling and and jumping around like a clown, zero psychology / story telling and horrific mic skills.

And this bloke who wrestles with his hands in his pockets and you have a problem with why those who switched to combat sports laugh at the wrestling industry:

We are meant to believe these two are the best things in wrestling right now and superior to men like Drew and Roman Reigns [MENTION=147292]RedwoodOriginal[/MENTION] [MENTION=134981]Bhaag Viru Bhaag[/MENTION] [MENTION=149506]andy0204[/MENTION]

Orange Cassidy is a joke lol. He is AEW's very own Santino Marella. Kenny would have been a mid carder in WWE.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Not just Darby Allin what about their horrific womens division, last I checked some woman won it and it turned out she is actually a man like what the heck? and prior to that a little girl won the title from that bloke! that little girl looked like a 7 year old and has a close relationship with Kenny who is one of the bookers on AEW the nepotism is pathetic, I believe Thunder Rosa has signed with them which is positive but I have no idea how she is being used, it saddens me that she joined such a clown show

Hager for one needs to be presented as more then muscle / meat head, I actually felt as though he would be pushed as a top star and as you say with his background there are so many major selling points. He definitely needs a mouth piece as mic work has never been one of his strengths, someone like a Paul Heyman would have done a tremendous job putting him over, am not sure if Arn would be a good match but they have had Jake Roberts do some stuff for them but I think he is working with someone else. Someone like Arn would be perfect for their booking team, I ask myself why is he so happy to just see such a big sh!t show before him ? maybe at this point just happy to collect a pay check. But with Hager regardless of the manager, just book him strong, emphasis his background and limit the mic time / focus more on the video packages / backstage pre taped interviews similar to when Brock first returned from the UFC for his feud with Cena

The women's division is a tragedy. It was so bad that I basically started skipping the womens matches altogether after a certain point. And funnily enough there were rumors that they were considering signing Tessa Blanchard. As if that wouldn't be the death kneel of her career lol.

I thought the same thing about Hager. That he would be a top guy. I mean the guy is a Bellator fighter, which is a poor man's UFC but it is still a legit MMA promotion.

I think Dutch Mantel, when he was his manager in WWE was doing a fairly good job of putting him over with his right-wing patriot gimmick. And from what I've heard Hager was getting over like gangbusters in house shows in the South, and was getting legit heat everywhere else.

I forgot they have Jake the Snake. Yeah he could be a great mouth-piece for him. But somehow it doesn't seem AEW is interested in pushing him. Last week he was losing to Wardlow, who although a good talent is incredibly green. I think Hager probably doesn't care anymore either. He has the Bellator thing and AEW allows him do both.

But yeah, the fact that they have Arn, JR, Dean Malenko and they are somehow not booking is an absolute travesty. Even guys like Tully Blanchard and Jerry Lynn could offer some great input and bring some much-needed structure to this joke of an organization. But no, these guys are more interested in having fun with their friends and that idiot Tony Khan is happy to throw his money at them while they do.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Orange Cassidy is a joke lol. He is AEW's very own Santino Marella. Kenny would have been a mid carder in WWE.

Kenny would have been lucky to be a mid-carder in WWE. He likely would have been one of those NXT guys who stay on NXT.

 

[Asim_khan]

"tHeRe'S nO sTrUcTuRe". What nonsense, people who've obviously not watched in over a year, even then who only watched a little of the product and had some nonsense podcaster make thier mind up about the product for them talking ignorant nonsense, mixed in with a bit of hate speech cos Kenny in a dress brings up certain feelings in them which don't react well with their homophobia, thats ok though, that's for you to deal with, and I'm glad you can use this avenue to address your issues since you can't in your professional life.

I'm especially not gonna have that from people championing a guy going from losing for 6 months and then challengining Roman in a cage match, and now to a guy who lost to Otis in 3 mins a few weeks ago suddenly getting his old music back and being the next coming. Is that the structure you talk about? You mentioned Darby being up in the rafters? That's story telling, as soon as he did it pre Full Gear, the first thing people thought was Sting, what happens? A few weeks later Sting debuts, that's AEW, they leave little easter eggs for you to chomp on, rewards the intelligent and patient viewer, something WWE hasn't ever done. WWE have people thrown off high rise buildings who magicaly re-appear on Monday


Finally, Roman Reigns, the alleged pro wrestling god, a man who's been in the main event scene as a singles "star" since 2015?? Who's basically had the company built around him, starting with headlining Wrestlemania 31 to deafening boo's, do you know what the viewership for Raw was for that week? 5.36million. Now they struggle to get to 2million. He has overseen a drop of over 3 million viewers, and yet it's Orange Cassidy who's responsible for Pro Wrestling being in the state it was til AEW appeared??

SUFFERING SUCCATASH

and then there's his superman punch, which Orange Cassidy does a better version of. He can't work, he's literal garbage in the ring, he admits it himself, Moxley and Tyler Black called him out on how crap he was and why he was being put with them, we all know why.

Basically, AEW is here to stay, that indy PWG style wrestling is a draw, you can become a millionaire doing it, and on top of that your $10m investment can balloon to, on last count, a tentative value of about $480m, off the back of it. And you can beat Smackdown and NXT in the ratings consistently with that style of wrestling. And you don't have to hear the following bit of commentary whilst doing it which someone has just shared with me

Cesaro : I'm going to go in the Royal Rumble
Michael Cole : WOW!!! OMG breaking news, shaking up the industry!!

Yea,like most people in the 18-49 demographic, I'll stick to AEW

And for all the attacks on Kenny Omega, the best bout machine, a literal best buy/Raja Bazaar version of Kenny got onto Smackdown and had an angle with the Rey Mysterio family, are you really telling me that the orignial better version wouldn't get on to Smackdown?? A guy who ripped off whole parts of Kenny's moveset right down to facial expressions, so yea, I really don't know where you're coming from with that.

And I recall the excitment around Royal Rumble 2019, "AJ debuted there, watch Kenny's gonna join WWE, in your face bullet club, indies and New Japan, everyone comes to WWE HAHAHHAHHA" <--- this was you wasn't it, what happened? You didn't get Kenny, but you got Nia Jaxx. I'll leave it at that.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Jon Moxley set to take on Kenny Omega in an 'Exploding Barbed Wire Deathmatch' on PPV this Sunday.

I'm all for giving AEW a chance. Even though the quality of their product has massively gone downhill in the past year, they still have certain things with a degree of potential.

But how long is this outlaw carny nonsense (that they are calling wrestling) going to continue? When the ring ropes are made of barbed wires its not exactly wrestling.

Also, Kenny Omega is quite possibly the worst heel I have seen in mainstream wrestling. He tries so hard to be menacing and evil and it just comes across as laughably bad. I have never liked his wrestling style but his mic skills and the persona he has taken on is beyond horrific.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

"tHeRe'S nO sTrUcTuRe". What nonsense, people who've obviously not watched in over a year, even then who only watched a little of the product and had some nonsense podcaster make thier mind up about the product for them talking ignorant nonsense, mixed in with a bit of hate speech cos Kenny in a dress brings up certain feelings in them which don't react well with their homophobia, thats ok though, that's for you to deal with, and I'm glad you can use this avenue to address your issues since you can't in your professional life.

I'm especially not gonna have that from people championing a guy going from losing for 6 months and then challengining Roman in a cage match, and now to a guy who lost to Otis in 3 mins a few weeks ago suddenly getting his old music back and being the next coming. Is that the structure you talk about? You mentioned Darby being up in the rafters? That's story telling, as soon as he did it pre Full Gear, the first thing people thought was Sting, what happens? A few weeks later Sting debuts, that's AEW, they leave little easter eggs for you to chomp on, rewards the intelligent and patient viewer, something WWE hasn't ever done. WWE have people thrown off high rise buildings who magicaly re-appear on Monday


Finally, Roman Reigns, the alleged pro wrestling god, a man who's been in the main event scene as a singles "star" since 2015?? Who's basically had the company built around him, starting with headlining Wrestlemania 31 to deafening boo's, do you know what the viewership for Raw was for that week? 5.36million. Now they struggle to get to 2million. He has overseen a drop of over 3 million viewers, and yet it's Orange Cassidy who's responsible for Pro Wrestling being in the state it was til AEW appeared??

SUFFERING SUCCATASH

and then there's his superman punch, which Orange Cassidy does a better version of. He can't work, he's literal garbage in the ring, he admits it himself, Moxley and Tyler Black called him out on how crap he was and why he was being put with them, we all know why.

Basically, AEW is here to stay, that indy PWG style wrestling is a draw, you can become a millionaire doing it, and on top of that your $10m investment can balloon to, on last count, a tentative value of about $480m, off the back of it. And you can beat Smackdown and NXT in the ratings consistently with that style of wrestling. And you don't have to hear the following bit of commentary whilst doing it which someone has just shared with me

Cesaro : I'm going to go in the Royal Rumble
Michael Cole : WOW!!! OMG breaking news, shaking up the industry!!

Yea,like most people in the 18-49 demographic, I'll stick to AEW

And for all the attacks on Kenny Omega, the best bout machine, a literal best buy/Raja Bazaar version of Kenny got onto Smackdown and had an angle with the Rey Mysterio family, are you really telling me that the orignial better version wouldn't get on to Smackdown?? A guy who ripped off whole parts of Kenny's moveset right down to facial expressions, so yea, I really don't know where you're coming from with that.

And I recall the excitment around Royal Rumble 2019, "AJ debuted there, watch Kenny's gonna join WWE, in your face bullet club, indies and New Japan, everyone comes to WWE HAHAHHAHHA" <--- this was you wasn't it, what happened? You didn't get Kenny, but you got Nia Jaxx. I'll leave it at that.

Let's be clear, WWE is nothing special. It has alot of good things but it will never be as big as it was in the 90s and 2000s and it clearly does not not have enough big stars which is why it keeps resorting to bringing old names back. That said, AEW isn't even in the same stratosphere as the WWE so what does that tell you about AEW?

As for you boy Kenny. Honestly, he is much better off in AEW. Because a wannabe gymnast/carny like him would never be more than a midcarder in WWE. And that would be until they realize that he has zero personality, after which they will probably send him to NXT. For all the chaff that WWE has stacked within their roster they do have stars and great wrestlers like Reigns, McIntyre, Owens, Daniel Bryan, Cesaro, Seth Rollins, Bray, Randy Orton, AJ Styles. Omega isn't good enough to carry any of these guys' jock straps. They are better than him on every level.

There are two genuine stars in AEW. Guys who could actually draw money and get over wherever they were wrestling: Moxley and MJF. And even Moxley has resorted to doing deathmatch garbage wrestling.

AEW is a friends and friends operation. Guys who would most likely be unemployed are being paid top dollar by an overzealous mark with too much money, who isn't smart enough to know he is being taken for a ride by these no-name carnies. On top of that, they have their good friend Dave Meltzer overrating their matches and getting people to think this is actually something amazing when in reality its just an indie promotion with no direction and too much money.

 

[shaz619]

Jon Moxley set to take on Kenny Omega in an 'Exploding Barbed Wire Deathmatch' on PPV this Sunday.

I'm all for giving AEW a chance. Even though the quality of their product has massively gone downhill in the past year, they still have certain things with a degree of potential.

But how long is this outlaw carny nonsense (that they are calling wrestling) going to continue? When the ring ropes are made of barbed wires its not exactly wrestling.

Also, Kenny Omega is quite possibly the worst heel I have seen in mainstream wrestling. He tries so hard to be menacing and evil and it just comes across as laughably bad. I have never liked his wrestling style but his mic skills and the persona he has taken on is beyond horrific.

There use to be a video on youtube from Kenny's early attempts at trying to cut a promo in AEW, it was actually pre-taped in the gym and he was seen struggling to bench press some light weights North America is the toughest territory to get over, he was largely protected in Japan by Gado, now that he actually needs to connect with an audience he has been badly exposed, there is talent on the roster which deserves more respect then him for their skills but most AEW hipsters take an attack on him as an attack on the entire roster, that's not the case when firstly the product itself lacks structure and is one massive sh!t show, it isn't even as enjoyable as TNA and isn't even worthy of being compared to some of the best Indie brands in America, ROH consistently produced world class talent in the early 2000's; I don't know what is going for AEW, it seems like the money mark pumps a ton of cash into the promotion, has a bit of fun and beyond that there isn't much going on off note as far as developing the in-ring product itself is concerned, you have some spot fests in between and shock value type matches but what more is there, who is their guy even? TNA had Styles, ROH had Danielson, Samoa Joe etc guys who even though they weren't in the E, had reputations for being arguably among the best; the consensus does not support Kenny or anyone else in AEW in the same way, the only the bloke I could think of is Okada who is terrific and before him Nakamura who despite the barriers has transitioned remarkably well all things considered although there is room for improvement on the booking front

 

[shaz619]

Let's be clear, WWE is nothing special. It has alot of good things but it will never be as big as it was in the 90s and 2000s and it clearly does not not have enough big stars which is why it keeps resorting to bringing old names back. That said, AEW isn't even in the same stratosphere as the WWE so what does that tell you about AEW?

As for you boy Kenny. Honestly, he is much better off in AEW. Because a wannabe gymnast/carny like him would never be more than a midcarder in WWE. And that would be until they realize that he has zero personality, after which they will probably send him to NXT. For all the chaff that WWE has stacked within their roster they do have stars and great wrestlers like Reigns, McIntyre, Owens, Daniel Bryan, Cesaro, Seth Rollins, Bray, Randy Orton, AJ Styles. Omega isn't good enough to carry any of these guys' jock straps. They are better than him on every level.

There are two genuine stars in AEW. Guys who could actually draw money and get over wherever they were wrestling: Moxley and MJF. And even Moxley has resorted to doing deathmatch garbage wrestling.

AEW is a friends and friends operation. Guys who would most likely be unemployed are being paid top dollar by an overzealous mark with too much money, who isn't smart enough to know he is being taken for a ride by these no-name carnies. On top of that, they have their good friend Dave Meltzer overrating their matches and getting people to think this is actually something amazing when in reality its just an indie promotion with no direction and too much money.

Their best defence is to use a promo from 5 or 6 years ago to defend Kenny, that is his best level; being compared to a a goofy / scripted promo, Reigns is on another planet right now, Kenny is a no name bum who is only relevant because of Meltzer's fake eulogies in the Observer

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Big Show is in AEW too.

 

[shaz619]

Big Show is in AEW too.

Time for AEW fans to get the lube out for another WWE alumni.

All Elite Grandpa Wrestling

Great Khali will be licking his lips at this rate

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Time for AEW fans to get the lube out for another WWE alumni.

All Elite Grandpa Wrestling

Great Khali will be licking his lips at this rate

'No More B$' was written on Paul Wight's T-Shirt when he made his debut.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Time for AEW fans to get the lube out for another WWE alumni.

All Elite Grandpa Wrestling

Great Khali will be licking his lips at this rate

Don't forget ol' unsafe Ryback.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

There use to be a video on youtube from Kenny's early attempts at trying to cut a promo in AEW, it was actually pre-taped in the gym and he was seen struggling to bench press some light weights North America is the toughest territory to get over, he was largely protected in Japan by Gado, now that he actually needs to connect with an audience he has been badly exposed, there is talent on the roster which deserves more respect then him for their skills but most AEW hipsters take an attack on him as an attack on the entire roster, that's not the case when firstly the product itself lacks structure and is one massive sh!t show, it isn't even as enjoyable as TNA and isn't even worthy of being compared to some of the best Indie brands in America, ROH consistently produced world class talent in the early 2000's; I don't know what is going for AEW, it seems like the money mark pumps a ton of cash into the promotion, has a bit of fun and beyond that there isn't much going on off note as far as developing the in-ring product itself is concerned, you have some spot fests in between and shock value type matches but what more is there, who is their guy even? TNA had Styles, ROH had Danielson, Samoa Joe etc guys who even though they weren't in the E, had reputations for being arguably among the best; the consensus does not support Kenny or anyone else in AEW in the same way, the only the bloke I could think of is Okada who is terrific and before him Nakamura who despite the barriers has transitioned remarkably well all things considered although there is room for improvement on the booking front

Yes they really love their highspots. Doesn't matter how overbooked they are and how overdone they look. And tbh its depressing to hear JR, the voice of wrestling calling the matches, and selling these spots as something supposedly cool. He probably knows he's calling low-grade indie nonsense but the guy's gotta work.

For a while it was Moxley but now it seems to be Omega. The lack of top guys in the company has become quite evident ever since he became champion. Because he's just so terrible at doing any kind of character work. In Japan you can get away with this, just like you can get away with gymnastics in Mexico because the emphasis is on other aspects; but not in the US. At some point AEW needs to realize that positioning him as a top heel--even for a rinky dink operation like theirs--is not good for business.

I agree AEW has talent but the absolute lack of direction and unprofessionalism means they get lost in the shuffle. Problem is though that there are alot of indie rejects too, who would struggle to find employment in any half-decent wrestling promotion. Because its basically a bunch of friends running the show and a spineless mark pumping a boatload of cash there's no structure and order and a select number of guys get to do whatever they like. I find it ironic that Jericho used to say that one of the biggest problems with WCW was that the 'lunatics were running the asylum', and yet now he is working for a company where the same thing happens on a much more overt level. But hey, I can forgive Jericho because he seems to be at a point in his career where he just doesn't care. But I would have expected the money mark to be a little smart with his dad's money. This is why being a mark doesn't mean you can be a good promoter, and why being a smart businessman is much more important.

And because AEW has such blind followers, and guys like Meltzer using all the credibility he has accumulated over the years, to put these guys over; not much is likely to change.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Anyone still watching AEW?

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

I tried watching AEW, but I did not like it. Neither do I like the WWE anymore. I grew up watching wrestling in the Attitude and Ruthless Aggression eras. Its been going downhill since there, though occasionally you will have a great match, the quality is down. The sad part is the wrestlers are better than ever, so its not because of them.

 

[shaz619]

Anyone still watching AEW?

I stopped after first 3 months, since then watched the PPV with Sting’s debut thought the cinematic match was done well. Apart from that the characters and storylines are either too goofy or lack a cohesive structure outside a few bright spots.

AEW fans are similar to Zionists, extremely defensive, delusional and very sensitive, for example recently Jim Ross an employee of AEW highlighted how in his opinion Orton is the best in the world, this caused one of the greatest meltdowns of all times from Omega fans and hashtags such as I stand with Omega as if he was oppressed lol Anyway who in their right mind can honestly enjoy watching him more then Reigns right now or Walter or Bryan, he has been badly exposed in North America I always highlighted his flaws even during his protected run in NJPW, the guy is a one dimensional fraud.

Anyway, am going to try and watch their flagship show from this past weekend, I try to do this for most promotions

 

[ishtiaq_ctg]

Professional Wrestling is dying a slow death. The 150 pound guys spamming 200 moves a match has also made wrestling a big joke.

 

[Asim_khan]

Yes I'm still watching AEW and last night's double or nothing ppv was easily the best of the year.

That crowd was insane, I can't remember the last time WWE had that sort of hot crowd, that's why Kenny Omega is the best wrestler in the world.

And remind me [MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] , since you've brought up Zionists brother, where are Sami Zayn's pro Palestinian tweets? He had numerous on his twitter page, I went back to check, and they've disappeared, a bit like the 5 million strong audience Roman Reigns had when he won his first world title, which is now down to 1.8m. Head of the table? More like Mr Box office poison.

 

[shaz619]

Yes I'm still watching AEW and last night's double or nothing ppv was easily the best of the year.

That crowd was insane, I can't remember the last time WWE had that sort of hot crowd, that's why Kenny Omega is the best wrestler in the world.

And remind me [MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] , since you've brought up Zionists brother, where are Sami Zayn's pro Palestinian tweets? He had numerous on his twitter page, I went back to check, and they've disappeared, a bit like the 5 million strong audience Roman Reigns had when he won his first world title, which is now down to 1.8m. Head of the table? More like Mr Box office poison.

Certain groups of fans would pop for a wrestler who took a dump in the ring and that is a fact, they are the the most ignorant, stupid and delusional group of people in the world today. I don’t think you understood the Zionist comparison, am not talking about activism, but this sort of non-sensical response is similar to Zionist behaviour, saying a goof is the best due to cheap pops and attributing twitter to drawing power is the same as saying Hamas are using children as shields.

 

[OMB]

wrestling discussions only please

 

[Asim_khan]

Certain groups of fans would pop for a wrestler who took a dump in the ring and that is a fact, they are the the most ignorant, stupid and delusional group of people in the world today. I don’t think you understood the Zionist comparison, am not talking about activism, but this sort of non-sensical response is similar to Zionist behaviour, saying a goof is the best due to cheap pops and attributing twitter to drawing power is the same as saying Hamas are using children as shields.

So in a round about way you're saying "Yea they made him delete the tweets, but I'll still support them, Zionists or not". And that's ok, like what you like, but WWE fans, much like their company doesn't so much seem to be about fanning their own flame, they're more interested in blowing out everyone else's candle. Now they're trying to get an exclusive deal out of NJPW lmao.

So when you had Devitt, Styles, Gallows, Anderson, Cole, Nakamura etc and the crowds were full of bullet club shirts and the fans were begging for it, wanting a bullet club invasion, you weren't interested, but now that Kenta, Nagata, Romero, etc turned up on Dynamite and there's rumors Kenny Omega will be taking on Ibushi/Okada at the Tokyo dome for 8 or 9 different world titles, suddenly you want to make an exclusive deal. Fickle. Pathetic

And as for your charge of some fans will cheer for anything, there were 5,500 fans there last night, there was 4 and a half hour worth of Wrestling if you include the buy in, and they cheered for all the big spots, they're invested, which is what psychology is about, controlling a crowd, not lying around so some wife swapper/perennial wrestling company bankrupter like Jim cornette gets happy lol

And as for your behaviour, it reminds me of IPL only fans who get upset when the PSL draws well. It's not worth as much as ours, it's not been around as much, you hate that people say PSL has better bowling etc, and most the IPL only crowd love Zionists, so I think your charge is a bit of a miss.

 

[Yasir_ch]

LOL people still watch this fake stuff.it's just mindboggling.

 

[shaz619]

So in a round about way you're saying "Yea they made him delete the tweets, but I'll still support them, Zionists or not". And that's ok, like what you like, but WWE fans, much like their company doesn't so much seem to be about fanning their own flame, they're more interested in blowing out everyone else's candle. Now they're trying to get an exclusive deal out of NJPW lmao.

So when you had Devitt, Styles, Gallows, Anderson, Cole, Nakamura etc and the crowds were full of bullet club shirts and the fans were begging for it, wanting a bullet club invasion, you weren't interested, but now that Kenta, Nagata, Romero, etc turned up on Dynamite and there's rumors Kenny Omega will be taking on Ibushi/Okada at the Tokyo dome for 8 or 9 different world titles, suddenly you want to make an exclusive deal. Fickle. Pathetic

And as for your charge of some fans will cheer for anything, there were 5,500 fans there last night, there was 4 and a half hour worth of Wrestling if you include the buy in, and they cheered for all the big spots, they're invested, which is what psychology is about, controlling a crowd, not lying around so some wife swapper/perennial wrestling company bankrupter like Jim cornette gets happy lol

And as for your behaviour, it reminds me of IPL only fans who get upset when the PSL draws well. It's not worth as much as ours, it's not been around as much, you hate that people say PSL has better bowling etc, and most the IPL only crowd love Zionists, so I think your charge is a bit of a miss.

What is this tweeting crap all about have you lost your mind or ran into a wall bud ? I have no clue what the heck you are on about, as I said I described the behaviour of AEW fans to that of Zionists, you simply can’t take any criticism at all and presume all those who don’t like the style you enjoy must blindly worship the WWE, unfortunately for you that argument can’t be used on me as I criticise everything I don’t like and think is extremely stupid and as the poster above has suggested makes people go ‘you still watch this fake stuff’

As for you want x and y wrestler and to make an exclusive deal, again what the heck are you on about, what are you smoking seriously ? can I ask how old you are and also what you achieved in English Language / Literature, do you not understand how to make a point and respond to one accordingly instead of going off on a tangent, again this goes back to the Zionist comparison.

But I will respond to your point regarding the crowd, in theory you would be correct; but you are missing the point, explain why fans in the 90’s in ECW would pop like crazy for the most garbage take on wrestling in history up until the present ? there is a difference between educated fans and a cult which simply eliminates the need for in-ring psychology, I will give you the benefit of the doubt and actually watch the PPV and give you my review, I genuinely praise anything which I think is good but lets see if the following will be true after I watch double or nothing, because am going to compare the AEW product at the top of the card to others in the world:

- Kenny Omega is the greatest of all time, best in the world and is a better all round performer then other main event stars such as Okada and Roman Reigns, he is a bigger draw, better on the mic, much better character and excellent in the ring with a superior ability to display a high in-ring IQ / psychology

- AEW is the much better company in terms of their creative with more depth and structure compared to NJPW and WWE, moreover AEW will surpass all promotions in North America to become the leader in the industry very soon

- AEW fans are the most educated in the world and genuinely appreciate good wrestling and are open to criticism

 

[shaz619]

LOL people still watch this fake stuff.it's just mindboggling.

Totally agree with you mate, I can’t argue against this point. Most people jumped to either UFC or Boxing, I follow both but Boxing a lot more religiously

 

[The_KING]

Professional Wrestling is dying a slow death. The 150 pound guys spamming 200 moves a match has also made wrestling a big joke.

Well said. I was a hardcore wrestling fan from 1999-2010. Since then, I haven’t bothered to watch a lot of wrestling, except for when some old timer like The Undertaker would make an appearance. Nowadays you have a bunch of these indie wrestlers who do flips and kicks and that is it. There is no storytelling in matches, nor outside of matches. There are hardly any gimmicks. All the wrestlers are pretty much the same, with no distinguish quality. Wrestling is a dying art for a reason.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

I stopped after first 3 months, since then watched the PPV with Sting’s debut thought the cinematic match was done well. Apart from that the characters and storylines are either too goofy or lack a cohesive structure outside a few bright spots.

AEW fans are similar to Zionists, extremely defensive, delusional and very sensitive, for example recently Jim Ross an employee of AEW highlighted how in his opinion Orton is the best in the world, this caused one of the greatest meltdowns of all times from Omega fans and hashtags such as I stand with Omega as if he was oppressed lol Anyway who in their right mind can honestly enjoy watching him more then Reigns right now or Walter or Bryan, he has been badly exposed in North America I always highlighted his flaws even during his protected run in NJPW, the guy is a one dimensional fraud.

Anyway, am going to try and watch their flagship show from this past weekend, I try to do this for most promotions

Shaz bro, you know we agree on the vast majority of stuff in pro wrestling. And eventhough AEW still has alot of stuff that enrages me, I have to say they have won me over to a great extent.

Maybe its just because WWE has been so incredibly lazy for so long. RAW at this point is in comparison with 2000s WCW Nitro. But AEW has alot of stuff that I'm starting to gravitate towards. I feel with AEW there's a focus on long-term story-telling because of the lack of PPVs, they can do the big gimmick matches well (WarGames, Exploding Barbed Wire Deathmatch, Lights Out match) even if they mess up the post-match stuff. And whether we admit or not they do have guys who are incredibly over and can become stars. I've always been big on Moxley, MJF etc. But guys like Orange Cassidy, Darby Allin, Eddie Kingston and others have won me over to a great degree. They are finally booking Miro the way he should have been booked all along. And one of my all-time favorite wrestlers Christian has come on-board too.

I have many issues with AEW still. They are obsessed with doing the flippy gymnastics that result in multiple botches and mean absolutely nothing. They are downright obsessed with WWE whether its doing cheap imitations or just trying to act like idiot smarks and the fact that they have a bloated roster with the Joey Jannelas and Marko Stunts of the world still employed. Not to mention, I will always despise the Young Bucks and everything they do, try to do.

That said, the potential of AEW is massive and that is something that I feel we should appreciate as wrestling fans. Especially since we have seen the kind of potential TNA had and the way it went up in smoke. I feel as AEW gets better than pro wrestling in general stands to benefit.

Re: Omega. I don't think he's the best wrestler in the world by any stretch. Just because he is such a horrendous promo. I do however think that he is a great wrestler if you just take in-ring ability. I didn't really think much of him, but that changed after I saw his series of matches with Okada.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

LOL people still watch this fake stuff.it's just mindboggling.

Why do you watch movies? Because they are real?

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Yes I'm still watching AEW and last night's double or nothing ppv was easily the best of the year.

That crowd was insane, I can't remember the last time WWE had that sort of hot crowd, that's why Kenny Omega is the best wrestler in the world.

And remind me [MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] , since you've brought up Zionists brother, where are Sami Zayn's pro Palestinian tweets? He had numerous on his twitter page, I went back to check, and they've disappeared, a bit like the 5 million strong audience Roman Reigns had when he won his first world title, which is now down to 1.8m. Head of the table? More like Mr Box office poison.

I liked the show to a great extent eventhough I hated certain things. However, it was great to see a packed crowd after such a long time that was heavily invested in the action.

I don't however think that attributes to Omega because fact is no one: Omega or Reigns or Randy Orton is a big enough draw in wrestling today. AEW draws because of a number of guys (including Omega, but not just him), factors like: gimmick matches, being an alternative to WWE. WWE draws based on their brand name, and a number of guys. But none of these guys are even big enough draws than Cena, whether people like to admit it or not.

But since you're an AEW fan I wanted to get your perspective on The Young Bucks. What do you and other AEW fans think of all the smarky stuff the Bucks do? I have seen very little of it but they seemed to be in overdrive last night.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Another ignorant person. Do you still watch movies, TV shows? They are just as fake if not more. There are wrestlers who have died in the ring and people like you have the audacity to take the **** out of the wrestling industry by calling it fake. Learn to differentiate between fake and scripted.

"People are fake, pro wrestling is real"

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

I tried watching AEW, but I did not like it. Neither do I like the WWE anymore. I grew up watching wrestling in the Attitude and Ruthless Aggression eras. Its been going downhill since there, though occasionally you will have a great match, the quality is down. The sad part is the wrestlers are better than ever, so its not because of them.

Very good point. I think it comes down to the fact that the times have changed. There sadly isn't any room for that edgy story-telling popularized during the Attitude and RA eras. The Attitude Era in particular was very indicative of the time aswell. American pop-culture was moving away from portraying the picture-esque, unrealistic utopia that was propagated in the 1980s. Grunge music, TV shows like The Simpsons were indicative of that. In wrestling, reality-based angles like the nWo and Austin vs. McMahon connected with the audience and brought in a massive main-stream audience. It also helped that you didn't have to be so politically-correct at the time. Because almost none of the stuff of those eras would fly today.