All Elite Wrestling (AEW) thread

[shaz619]

^^^^

Perfect example of everything wrong with fake wrestling today, obsession with ratings opposed to whether a product is actually entertaining or legitimate. But I will give you some financial advise, cancel your subscription with the propaganda in the WON and save / invest your money instead. But thanks for confirming AEW is not worth watching live, and they must be making loads from the picture in picture advertisements. None of this proves that the show isn’t cow dung and mainly hyped by Modi Bakhts and Narendra Meltzer your chosen messiah and his disciple Bryan Autistic Alvarez.

 

[shaz619]

In recent weeks nothing can compare to the in-ring prowess, professionalism, intensity, legitimacy, story telling, psychology and athleticism which I found while watching WALTER vs Dragunov - I haven’t been moved by a match in a long time, these two don’t need the numbers or the WON to justify how bloody good they are, the physicality was unprecedented - legitimate MOTY candidate, watch it and judge for yourself if this is inferior to your Omegas, Jungle Boys and Luchasaurus which is tailored towards dumbed down children. As far as in-ring work, consistency, legitimacy and stature is concerned in NA WALTER is the best right now and it’s not even close

 

[Asim_khan]

Walter Vs Dragunov was indeed incredible, maybe even better than their match from last year, and definitely a MOTY contender, number 3 this year for me. It's very similar to Darby Allin Vs Walter at Evolve from a few years ago. Such a shame they absolutely botched the build to it by having Dragunov lose. So much for Triple H teaching Tony Khan how to book a show, absolute clown. No wonder NXT has been absolutely slaughtered by AEW. Demolished.

Walter is a funny one, his matches are way too similar for my money, he needs a fiery baby face who's willing to take a legit beating to make him come across as great. Alternatively we get him in there with Braun Strowman, who no sells his chops, beats him down and pins him in 3 minutes. Kenny Omega can have any kind of match and make it incredible, so in terms of GOAT, Walter will never be in that conversation, despite his ability to have a great certain type of match.

And as for last week's Dynamite show, it was a 10/10 in comparison to this week's RAW. AEW women's division has never had a match as bad as Charlotte Vs Nia Jaxx. Wednesday can't come around quick enough, I need to cleanse myself of this absolute abomination of a show. Don't even get me started on Omos. I don't ever wanna hear about AEW rushing people into the ring too quickly. They're literally Terry Funk in comparison to that garbage on Raw.

 

[I Believe in the Teesra]

[MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] knows that AEW > WWE

All Out Card looks hype as hell.

 

[shaz619]

I don’t watch fake raslin anymore, I leave your circle jerks over this to you, so embarrassing and childish, grow up.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

I don’t know about last weeks episode but I watched this weeks episode seeing I wanted to hear from Punk.

They started out with Cassidy and Hardy with new fans tuning into the show and those who are not regulars, straight away we get into some clowning around of epic proportions which was an insult to the business with them fake shin kicks, over the course of the match Cassidy displayed his unprofessionalism by busting Hardy open after a botched dive and the spots involving his hands in his pockets drastically affected his ability to execute moves properly, it was very pre-meditated, looked horrible and that couldn’t be more adamant if you watched the finish. An awful way to open a landmark episode of Dynamite.

Jericho recovered things with a fantastic segment which sold the PPV and also showcased the talent and skill of MJF, fantastic I enjoyed that.

Then we move onto Lucha Bros vs Varsity blondes, Lucha Bros have some talent but simplicity is the key, I think they are good enough not to have to throw everything but the kitchen sink every time…ESPECIALLY when you are working with a team as green as the blondes, it was a cagey match, there were at least a couple of botches and it made everyone involved look bad, the least you expect is professionalism in the ring

Hayter vs Velvet - AEW are bringing in some decent names to expand the depth in their womens roster and Hayter has potential, I like her look and appeal but again, affair was slightly cagey and Velvet botched that springboard moonsault which just kills my enjoyment seeing all these botches, thankfully a lariat ended things immediately after that.

I skipped through the trip matches, I don’t really expect much on the match quality side; despite my reservations on Allin’s look, thankfully he didn’t botch any of his shtick, never really paid much attention to the others.

The segment involving Kenny and Cage, straight away Christian looked like a legit world champion - serious, looked the part and his promo execution was brilliant, he meant business and I liked that. Kenny on the other hand and the entire booking of his faction was an absolute joke, I can’t remotely take any of them seriously, there’s one thing being a chicken sh!t heel but then there’s this, their top champion is a personified clown, this goes back to what I said to you about no script, it works for some but clearly not when you don’t know what you are doing, I don’t like Kenny but Gado booked him much better and had the idiot under control.

Punk’s segment, don’t need to comment on it much. He’s still the best in the world even today, I just hope his signing brings a major turning point for the company but as it stands am not seeing any major changes, maybe Punk will bring order ? that’s my take on the show, am I really seeing it all in a completely different way, what am I missing ? what did you think ? It was a let down considering how they could have better executed their show with so many new eye balls

I agree. AEW has a tendency to trail off into mediocrity after a hot week, which should not be the case anymore considering the roster they have. Tony also needs to understand that every tom, dick and harry should not be on your premier shows. That's exactly what YouTube is for. I don't think it was the worst episode just because there have been so many horrendous episodes from their first year when guys like Joey Janela and the Butcher were wrestling on national TV on a weekly basis.

I largely agree with your thoughts on that episode. On the Women's division, I would actually go ahead and say that it is absolute death if you take out Britt Baker and Thunder Rosa. Baker is one of the biggest stars in the company and head and shoulders above everyone else in that division. Rosa is the only one who can match up to her in the ring and has major top women's babyface potential. For the future, I think Jade Cargill might be a big star. But other than that, yikes! Just look at some of the names: Penelope Ford, The Bunny, Riho, Nyla Rose...what a joke. They really need to steal some women wrestlers from WWE/NXT.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Walter Vs Dragunov was indeed incredible, maybe even better than their match from last year, and definitely a MOTY contender, number 3 this year for me. It's very similar to Darby Allin Vs Walter at Evolve from a few years ago. Such a shame they absolutely botched the build to it by having Dragunov lose. So much for Triple H teaching Tony Khan how to book a show, absolute clown. No wonder NXT has been absolutely slaughtered by AEW. Demolished.

Walter is a funny one, his matches are way too similar for my money, he needs a fiery baby face who's willing to take a legit beating to make him come across as great. Alternatively we get him in there with Braun Strowman, who no sells his chops, beats him down and pins him in 3 minutes. Kenny Omega can have any kind of match and make it incredible, so in terms of GOAT, Walter will never be in that conversation, despite his ability to have a great certain type of match.

And as for last week's Dynamite show, it was a 10/10 in comparison to this week's RAW. AEW women's division has never had a match as bad as Charlotte Vs Nia Jaxx. Wednesday can't come around quick enough, I need to cleanse myself of this absolute abomination of a show. Don't even get me started on Omos. I don't ever wanna hear about AEW rushing people into the ring too quickly. They're literally Terry Funk in comparison to that garbage on Raw.

The thing about AEW that really stands-out for me is that even when they have a bad show there's something different and unique that you might not have seen before. With WWE its the same freaking show week after week after week. The segments sound fake and obviously scripted and unless its Lashley/MVP or Reigns/Heyman delivering them, you don't believe a single word because its just looks like bad acting.

Even SmackDown, which actually has some work put into it feels like the same show week in and week out. Its gotten so incredibly boring. RAW on the other hand is in comparison with 2000s WCW for me these days. Infact if I actually watched an episode of Nitro or Thunder from that year, I would probably be more surprised than I would be watching RAW.

AEW, on the other hand always have me interested because there is so much variety on their show and guys are allowed to be themselves. Granted, segments and matches don't always come off, but if I had a choice I would watch a bad Dynamite over a bad RAW 10/10 times.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Gotta say I am EXTREMELY excited for All Out. More so than I have been for any wrestling PPV this year. Packed card and I don't see myself skipping any matches besides the Pre-Show, the Women's Battle Royale and Baker v Statlander.

Young Bucks can be incredibly annoying at times and are an acquired taste, especially for someone like me who isn't big on this flippity flop stuff all that much. That said, in the right environment they can have banger matches and their match against Omega/Page at Revolution and Lucha Bros at All Out 2019 are the best examples of that. And these two teams mixing it up again inside a steel cage excites me.

Moxley vs. anything or anyone is not something I will miss. A match vs. Tanahashi would have been better, but this will do as long as Mox goes over and it isn't too long.

QT v Paul Wight should be a fun squash match which I won't mind as long as it doesn't go over 3 minutes.

Kenny Omega v Christian, I feel will be amazing. As a massive Christian mark it fills me with joy to see him in the main-event where he always belonged. The fact that he pinned Omega is big. And though Omega will almost certainly come out on top, an amazing match will leave me happy. This one should go long.

Not sure about Jericho-MJF. Could go either way i.e. good or bad depending on how Jericho works. He hasn't looked great recently.

Don't feel like I need to say anything about Darby-Punk, which almost certainly will be the main-event.

But PAC vs Andrade is a match I will really, really miss because I was really looking forward to that one.

 

[shaz619]

The thing about AEW that really stands-out for me is that even when they have a bad show there's something different and unique that you might not have seen before. With WWE its the same freaking show week after week after week. The segments sound fake and obviously scripted and unless its Lashley/MVP or Reigns/Heyman delivering them, you don't believe a single word because its just looks like bad acting.

Even SmackDown, which actually has some work put into it feels like the same show week in and week out. Its gotten so incredibly boring. RAW on the other hand is in comparison with 2000s WCW for me these days. Infact if I actually watched an episode of Nitro or Thunder from that year, I would probably be more surprised than I would be watching RAW.

AEW, on the other hand always have me interested because there is so much variety on their show and guys are allowed to be themselves. Granted, segments and matches don't always come off, but if I had a choice I would watch a bad Dynamite over a bad RAW 10/10 times.

Big portion of the talent is as green as they come, botch mania left right and centre, non-stop flippy action and they work stiff as hell literally busting each other open in a bad way due to being badly trained, what’s worse some of the major issues folk have with the booking in the E is here to see in a massive way except there is no structure in the asylum and an endless dose of ex-WWE mercenary talent who would otherwise be disliked. They are a really bad rip off / a re-branded RAW, you would watch their shows 10/10 times over others when it is mostly more of the shame, being excited for that Big Show match on PPV is just one example of a jaded fan who is willing to pull for anything which doesn’t have a WWE label even if it is cow dung, I can understand that to a degree compared compared to blind worship by the toxic Modi Bakhts. This is what pro raslin has become an embarrassing joke, childish, superficial, non-sensical and fake.

 

[Asim_khan]

Gotta say I am EXTREMELY excited for All Out. More so than I have been for any wrestling PPV this year. Packed card and I don't see myself skipping any matches besides the Pre-Show, the Women's Battle Royale and Baker v Statlander.

Young Bucks can be incredibly annoying at times and are an acquired taste, especially for someone like me who isn't big on this flippity flop stuff all that much. That said, in the right environment they can have banger matches and their match against Omega/Page at Revolution and Lucha Bros at All Out 2019 are the best examples of that. And these two teams mixing it up again inside a steel cage excites me.

Moxley vs. anything or anyone is not something I will miss. A match vs. Tanahashi would have been better, but this will do as long as Mox goes over and it isn't too long.

QT v Paul Wight should be a fun squash match which I won't mind as long as it doesn't go over 3 minutes.

Kenny Omega v Christian, I feel will be amazing. As a massive Christian mark it fills me with joy to see him in the main-event where he always belonged. The fact that he pinned Omega is big. And though Omega will almost certainly come out on top, an amazing match will leave me happy. This one should go long.

Not sure about Jericho-MJF. Could go either way i.e. good or bad depending on how Jericho works. He hasn't looked great recently.

Don't feel like I need to say anything about Darby-Punk, which almost certainly will be the main-event.

But PAC vs Andrade is a match I will really, really miss because I was really looking forward to that one.

An hour away, I've had all sorts of issues getting the ppv, finally managed to get it to accept my VPN.

Just heard that Omega vs Christian is main eventing, which is the right decision, keeps the World Title as the prestige event, that deserves to go long after their classic on tv on Rampage, Kenny will win, and the rumors are that he'll be confronted by a debuting wrestler afterwards, who says Yes alot, loves the environment and is a dragon from the US.

Punk-Darby could go one of the 2 ways, I can't see it being average, it's either gonna be MITB 2011 or his UFC fights. I'm watching either way.

Bucks vs Lucha Bros. is scaring me,that cage is as tall as a sky scraper, I think Fenix is gonna try the Skipper/Daniels spot from lethal lockdown in TNA, which for my money is the greatest spot in a cage match ever.

Kojima is a massive downgrade on Tanahashi, however he can still go. And nice to see him in the US, Muta, the only other person to hold the All Japan triple crown and New Japan IWGP Heayweight title at the same time, is a household name, Koji-san can hopefully turn the clock back and give us a hard hitting match.

Jericho has had a few stinkers recently as well as a few decent matches, his last truly great singles match was probably against Orange Cassidy at Fyter Fest 2020, he's due another great one, I hope it's this. The crowd should be hot for it, especially against MJF.

The buy in is about to start. Gonna need some red bulls and coffee.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

An hour away, I've had all sorts of issues getting the ppv, finally managed to get it to accept my VPN.

Just heard that Omega vs Christian is main eventing, which is the right decision, keeps the World Title as the prestige event, that deserves to go long after their classic on tv on Rampage, Kenny will win, and the rumors are that he'll be confronted by a debuting wrestler afterwards, who says Yes alot, loves the environment and is a dragon from the US.

Punk-Darby could go one of the 2 ways, I can't see it being average, it's either gonna be MITB 2011 or his UFC fights. I'm watching either way.

Bucks vs Lucha Bros. is scaring me,that cage is as tall as a sky scraper, I think Fenix is gonna try the Skipper/Daniels spot from lethal lockdown in TNA, which for my money is the greatest spot in a cage match ever.

Kojima is a massive downgrade on Tanahashi, however he can still go. And nice to see him in the US, Muta, the only other person to hold the All Japan triple crown and New Japan IWGP Heayweight title at the same time, is a household name, Koji-san can hopefully turn the clock back and give us a hard hitting match.

Jericho has had a few stinkers recently as well as a few decent matches, his last truly great singles match was probably against Orange Cassidy at Fyter Fest 2020, he's due another great one, I hope it's this. The crowd should be hot for it, especially against MJF.

The buy in is about to start. Gonna need some red bulls and coffee.

I feel bad for Omega and Christian. As much as I agree with the idea that the World Title should main-event, it won't be easy following Punk v Darby. But best of luck to them because I find it hard to believe how that match won't be incredible if it gets 25-30+ minutes.

Bryan potentially debuting at All Out does not seem like the best idea to me and smacks of Russo. Him coming out on the stadium show might have been better. But we'll see what happens...

I don't want to make predictions about Punk-Darby. I'd rather just see it with my own eyes.

I see what you mean about Bucks vs. Lucha Bros. And I get that feeling too. Only hope is they don't kill themselves. But that match has the potential to be off-the-wall crazy.

Jericho looked in much better shape when he cut that promo on Dynamite last week. Its disappointing to see how far he has regressed in the ring and how poorly he has been able to adapt his style as he has gotten older. But still one expects him to step-up in a big match like this. This feud has gone on far too long and its about time both guys moved on to something else.

Unfortunately I am badly sick. So I will watch the PPV over the next two days as I recover. Because I really see no point in watching it in a miserable state. Hopefully I'll be able to avoid the spoilers.

 

[sweep_shot]

I enjoyed this match.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Adam Cole and Bryan Danielson both are All Elite now.

 

[sweep_shot]

Adam Cole and Bryan Danielson both are All Elite now.

Look at that crowd!

AEW is bringing back old memories. These fans seem really engaged and enthusiastic. Reminds me of good old days.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Look at that crowd!

AEW is bringing back old memories. These fans seem really engaged and enthusiastic. Reminds me of good old days.

I think WWE is looking quite boring these days. I hope AJ Styles, Finn Balor and Asuka also join AEW. WWE is all about business these days whereas AEW is the new home of Professional Wrestling. It's not there yet but the kind of talent they have right now and will get in future will remind everyone of WWF and their attitude era.

 

[sweep_shot]

I think WWE is looking quite boring these days. I hope AJ Styles, Finn Balor and Asuka also join AEW. WWE is all about business these days whereas AEW is the new home of Professional Wrestling. It's not there yet but the kind of talent they have right now and will get in future will remind everyone of WWF and their attitude era.

I agree with you.

When I look at present day AEW, it feels like there is genuine enthusiasm.

I don't have that feeling with WWE. WWE feels artificial and soulless. WWE feels way too scripted and robotic.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

I agree with you.

When I look at present day AEW, it feels like there is genuine enthusiasm.

I don't have that feeling with WWE. WWE feels artificial and soulless. WWE feels way too scripted and robotic.

That's because Vince controls everything whereas AEW is giving creative control to some of their top guys like Moxley, Jericho, MJF, CM Punk etc. AEW is pleasing its fans whereas WWE is trying too hard to please Vince only.

 

[Asim_khan]

Great event, It was one of the best PPV's I've ever seen, that cage match was incredible, from the entrances, to the match, to the finish. Also trust Kenny Omega's idea of Chicago being Steve Urkel lmao.

Here's some post event interviews with the guys, love Bryan's in ring promo.

Rumors that Kevin Owens/Sami Zayn's contracts are coming to an end in the next few months, Owens/Steen was in a faction called Mount Rushmore with Adam Cole and the Bucks. He tweeted this last night and then deleted it. It's co-ordinates for Mount Rushmore.



Also Zayn/Generico has history with all the PWG guys and especially Kenny Omega from their days in DDT in japan where they had an awesome match.

Dynamite tonight, some really exciting times ahead.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Great event, It was one of the best PPV's I've ever seen, that cage match was incredible, from the entrances, to the match, to the finish. Also trust Kenny Omega's idea of Chicago being Steve Urkel lmao.

Here's some post event interviews with the guys, love Bryan's in ring promo.

Rumors that Kevin Owens/Sami Zayn's contracts are coming to an end in the next few months, Owens/Steen was in a faction called Mount Rushmore with Adam Cole and the Bucks. He tweeted this last night and then deleted it. It's co-ordinates for Mount Rushmore.

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Also Zayn/Generico has history with all the PWG guys and especially Kenny Omega from their days in DDT in japan where they had an awesome match.

Dynamite tonight, some really exciting times ahead.

Kevin Owens in AEW? Vince will now bring back Oldberg and The Undertaker for another match to counter all the new AEW signings.

 

[Asim_khan]

Kevin Owens in AEW? Vince will now bring back Oldberg and The Undertaker for another match to counter all the new AEW signings.

Legends night is gonna become the regular show at this rate, bring back the classics

When the lights went out after Kenny mentioned dead people, someone on the fite stream chat actually thought it was Undertaker that was gonna come out.

 

[SangasCoverDrive]

Anyone who takes AEW or any form of wrestling seriously in 2021, need to take a look at what they are doing with life. Most of the wrestling marks are neck-bearded overaged and overweight men who can't even catch a breath after walking for a few seconds.

 

[The_KING]

Kevin Owens in AEW? Vince will now bring back Oldberg and The Undertaker for another match to counter all the new AEW signings.

And these older legends are still bigger stars than any of the overrated AEW stars like Omega, Rhodes etc

 

[Asim_khan]

Omg MJF's promo last night is the greatest heel promo I've heard since maybe Suit & Tie Jericho, that's proper heel heat.

Pac Vs Andrade on Friday, and then we've got the huge New York/New Jersey shows back to back.

 

[sweep_shot]

Omg MJF's promo last night is the greatest heel promo I've heard since maybe Suit & Tie Jericho, that's proper heel heat.

Pac Vs Andrade on Friday, and then we've got the huge New York/New Jersey shows back to back.

Wow! This is real heel heat.

WWE probably doesn't have the courage to try something like this.

 

[sweep_shot]

Anyone who takes AEW or any form of wrestling seriously in 2021, need to take a look at what they are doing with life. Most of the wrestling marks are neck-bearded overaged and overweight men who can't even catch a breath after walking for a few seconds.

You probably haven't watched much of AEW.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Great event, It was one of the best PPV's I've ever seen, that cage match was incredible, from the entrances, to the match, to the finish. Also trust Kenny Omega's idea of Chicago being Steve Urkel lmao.

Here's some post event interviews with the guys, love Bryan's in ring promo.

Rumors that Kevin Owens/Sami Zayn's contracts are coming to an end in the next few months, Owens/Steen was in a faction called Mount Rushmore with Adam Cole and the Bucks. He tweeted this last night and then deleted it. It's co-ordinates for Mount Rushmore.

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Also Zayn/Generico has history with all the PWG guys and especially Kenny Omega from their days in DDT in japan where they had an awesome match.

Dynamite tonight, some really exciting times ahead.

Oh man. I can't even imagine what AEW would look like with Steen, Zayn and Bray added to it besides all the talent they already have. Surely they will need to drop alot of guys.

But this faction would make alot of sense since that would break-up the Elite, something I feel will be inevitable once Omega turns face. Which is always your ultimate goal with your top guy.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Anyone who takes AEW or any form of wrestling seriously in 2021, need to take a look at what they are doing with life. Most of the wrestling marks are neck-bearded overaged and overweight men who can't even catch a breath after walking for a few seconds.

Atleast we are happy and getting enjoyment and fulfillment out of what we are watching!

All you are doing is showing how miserable your life is that you actually have come down here and tell us how to feel. Says more about you than it does about us. Oh and btw, I am 24, physically fit, with a steady job and also happen to be in a happy and and fulfilling relationship with the love of my life. So that shows what you know about wrestling marks like me.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

ALL OUT was freakin' insane. Probably one of the greatest wrestling PPVs I have ever seen.

Punk vs. Darby was perfect in every way. Proper wrestling match, no wasted motion. Punk looked amazing, Darby came off as a genuine competitor who could beat him. Classic veteran vs. up-start dynamic. Might just be the best match I have seen in AEW yet. And that's saying something

Omega vs. Christian was another classic. Despite a noticeable botch, this was such a cool and unique match. The Japanese style table stomp stood out, as did a number of other spots. It was just short of perfect for me. Omega, you expect to work well, but I was amazed at how well Christian worked this match which was a pleasant surprise as I have always been a massive Christian mark. And then ofcourse there was the post match stuff which was just mind-blowing.

Bucks vs. Lucha Bros. was absolutely crazy. Super high work-rate, so many crazy spots. This match did not let up for a second. The pace was utterly insane.

[MENTION=98507]Asim_khan[/MENTION] Probably the 3 best matches of the night. What were your thoughts on the other two?

 

[shaz619]

ALL OUT was freakin' insane. Probably one of the greatest wrestling PPVs I have ever seen.

Punk vs. Darby was perfect in every way. Proper wrestling match, no wasted motion. Punk looked amazing, Darby came off as a genuine competitor who could beat him. Classic veteran vs. up-start dynamic. Might just be the best match I have seen in AEW yet. And that's saying something

Omega vs. Christian was another classic. Despite a noticeable botch, this was such a cool and unique match. The Japanese style table stomp stood out, as did a number of other spots. It was just short of perfect for me. Omega, you expect to work well, but I was amazed at how well Christian worked this match which was a pleasant surprise as I have always been a massive Christian mark. And then ofcourse there was the post match stuff which was just mind-blowing.

Bucks vs. Lucha Bros. was absolutely crazy. Super high work-rate, so many crazy spots. This match did not let up for a second. The pace was utterly insane.

[MENTION=98507]Asim_khan[/MENTION] Probably the 3 best matches of the night. What were your thoughts on the other two?

I only watched Punk v Darby and it was a great match and I enjoyed the novelty of it all, I loved the structure; it was simple and effective with Darby doing most of the heavy lifting but lets be frank here, there was plenty of wasted motion (understandably); they did a number of spots where Punk could stand still and have a breather while Darby bumped all over the place for him, Punk’s pace was a little off but you expect this and to AEW’s credit or should I say Punk, they anticipated his ring rust so protected him in the ring and Punk’s ring IQ helped to, he also used it as a chance to try a couple of fresh ideas and moving forward I expect Punk to put on a much better match and also improve his endurance with his ring activity, was it the best ever from the company ? Hell no, that distinction will always be Cody v Dustin, that was a masterpiece in ring psychology and story telling, the bread and butter of the industry. I would say this is the first time I saw Darby work and while he is tiny, he knows how to sell which was very refreshing to see, if you can’t do nothing else; learn how to sell like an elite worker and you will have one hell of a career, it was a great example and exhibition of how less is more, the most memorable spot of the match was Darby going between two turnbuckles back first into the post, it was done safely and some athleticism to but the bump was just great, it also gave Punk more time to gather himself.

I started the main event but not finished it, tell me this though; which talent considered the best by a group or two over hyped or not in the peak and prime of their career would botch horrifically on PPV ? that botched barricade moonsault was pathetic, I get no joy out of watching him in the ring, aesthetically ugly, extremely robotic similar to generic CAW’s on the old SvR games and every high spot in the book bad execution or not with nothing else in-between and extremely flat as a character, even in Kayfabe PWI have lost cred naming him no.1 when it was only until Jan 2021 that they didn’t even recognise TNA’s and AAA’s world championship so that should give you a hint as to why AEW were fast tracked to world title recognition, its no surprised you don’t see their magazine on the shelves anymore, they rely on digital sales and target smarks mainly and the IWC to boost their profile these days, in other news Swann also made the top 10..

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Great event, It was one of the best PPV's I've ever seen, that cage match was incredible, from the entrances, to the match, to the finish. Also trust Kenny Omega's idea of Chicago being Steve Urkel lmao.

Here's some post event interviews with the guys, love Bryan's in ring promo.

Rumors that Kevin Owens/Sami Zayn's contracts are coming to an end in the next few months, Owens/Steen was in a faction called Mount Rushmore with Adam Cole and the Bucks. He tweeted this last night and then deleted it. It's co-ordinates for Mount Rushmore.

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Also Zayn/Generico has history with all the PWG guys and especially Kenny Omega from their days in DDT in japan where they had an awesome match.

Dynamite tonight, some really exciting times ahead.

Kevin Steen/Owens has always been one of my favorite wrestlers all the way back to his days in ROH and his classic feud with El Generico.

Its crazy how talented he is in the ring and on the mic and how badly he has been misused by WWE since 2016.

I hope to God that he comes to AEW. It might be just what his career needs. He is a top-guy and deserves to be treated like one. And AEW is the only place where he can be.

I haven't even thought about all the prospective matches that Cole, Bryan and Bray can have with this rosters. I'm not ready to think about Steen and Zayn.

What a time to be watching this promotion.

 

[shaz619]

Atleast we are happy and getting enjoyment and fulfillment out of what we are watching!

All you are doing is showing how miserable your life is that you actually have come down here and tell us how to feel. Says more about you than it does about us. Oh and btw, I am 24, physically fit, with a steady job and also happen to be in a happy and and fulfilling relationship with the love of my life. So that shows what you know about wrestling marks like me.

I think he is a bit harsh although you have to agree a lot of fans in particular AEW , Chikara and anything hip fit that stereotype to a degree and tbh I think he has a point about watching this in 2021, if anything it’s worth a thought in my opinion but at the end of the day, if Jungle Boy and Luchasaurus make people happy then power to them

 

[shaz619]

Kevin Steen/Owens has always been one of my favorite wrestlers all the way back to his days in ROH and his classic feud with El Generico.

Its crazy how talented he is in the ring and on the mic and how badly he has been misused by WWE since 2016.

I hope to God that he comes to AEW. It might be just what his career needs. He is a top-guy and deserves to be treated like one. And AEW is the only place where he can be.

I haven't even thought about all the prospective matches that Cole, Bryan and Bray can have with this rosters. I'm not ready to think about Steen and Zayn.

What a time to be watching this promotion.

It’s embarrassing that someone like Adam Cole is playing second fiddle to Kenny Omega when he is vastly superior in every way, I don’t think Kenny belongs in the same ring as Bryan either who belongs on wrestlings mount rush more. Time will tell what they do with Cole but I wouldn’t have booked him to rub shoulders with the elite goofs

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

I only watched Punk v Darby and it was a great match and I enjoyed the novelty of it all, I loved the structure; it was simple and effective with Darby doing most of the heavy lifting but lets be frank here, there was plenty of wasted motion (understandably); they did a number of spots where Punk could stand still and have a breather while Darby bumped all over the place for him, Punk’s pace was a little off but you expect this and to AEW’s credit or should I say Punk, they anticipated his ring rust so protected him in the ring and Punk’s ring IQ helped to, he also used it as a chance to try a couple of fresh ideas and moving forward I expect Punk to put on a much better match and also improve his endurance with his ring activity, was it the best ever from the company ? Hell no, that distinction will always be Cody v Dustin, that was a masterpiece in ring psychology and story telling, the bread and butter of the industry. I would say this is the first time I saw Darby work and while he is tiny, he knows how to sell which was very refreshing to see, if you can’t do nothing else; learn how to sell like an elite worker and you will have one hell of a career, it was a great example and exhibition of how less is more, the most memorable spot of the match was Darby going between two turnbuckles back first into the post, it was done safely and some athleticism to but the bump was just great, it also gave Punk more time to gather himself.

I started the main event but not finished it, tell me this though; which talent considered the best by a group or two over hyped or not in the peak and prime of their career would botch horrifically on PPV ? that botched barricade moonsault was pathetic, I get no joy out of watching him in the ring, aesthetically ugly, extremely robotic similar to generic CAW’s on the old SvR games and every high spot in the book bad execution or not with nothing else in-between and extremely flat as a character, even in Kayfabe PWI have lost cred naming him no.1 when it was only until Jan 2021 that they didn’t even recognise TNA’s and AAA’s world championship so that should give you a hint as to why AEW were fast tracked to world title recognition, its no surprised you don’t see their magazine on the shelves anymore, they rely on digital sales and target smarks mainly and the IWC to boost their profile these days, in other news Swann also made the top 10..

Oh come on man. There were a couple of rest spots but that is 100% forgivable considering the guy was wrestling after 7 years. I don't think its at all fair to criticize him being gassed up on his first time back. But my point was that everything they did in the ring (minus rest spots)made sense, nothing felt out of place. Everything was executed to perfection and that is why it was a 5 star match for me.

I was watching Cody Dustin the other day and as much as I loved that match on the first watch, I took out points this time around for the Brandi interference which I thought was utterly stupid and nonsensical. Crowd also was not nearly as hot.

As for the Omega match, I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. Because I respect your opinion very much. But I just thought it was a really cool, unique modern-style wrestling match where both guys worked their ***** off. I just loved it.

As for the magazines, don't care at all. I check Meltzer's ratings just because I used to agree with him long time ago. But I'm not such a massive mark for AEW that I completely look past their flaws like Uncle Dave. Still, I appreciate what AEW are doing with other promotions. I think its a net positive for the wrestling business that they can benefit from aswell. However, this is true for AAA, NJPW and even NWA. Not for Impact, which is absolute dead-weight and needs to be dropped like a hot potato.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

It’s embarrassing that someone like Adam Cole is playing second fiddle to Kenny Omega when he is vastly superior in every way, I don’t think Kenny belongs in the same ring as Bryan either who belongs on wrestlings mount rush more. Time will tell what they do with Cole but I wouldn’t have booked him to rub shoulders with the elite goofs

Adam Cole is undoubtedly superior but he is certainly no stranger to doing rubbish. All you need to do is look at the stuff he has done in PWG in the past.

That said it made sense to make him heel because fans are already aware of his friendship with the Bucks. Might have been distracting if they didn't.

But hey I am just happy he is in AEW. Because he went as far as he could in NXT and got out at the right time considering what they are planning on doing with it. And WWE was not exactly ever an option.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

I think he is a bit harsh although you have to agree a lot of fans in particular AEW , Chikara and anything hip fit that stereotype to a degree and tbh I think he has a point about watching this in 2021, if anything it’s worth a thought in my opinion but at the end of the day, if Jungle Boy and Luchasaurus make people happy then power to them

At the end of the day, my problem with him is that he has no right to act all high and mighty and pass judgment on people who happen to like something he doesn't like.

I hate anime. Doesn't mean I will go around telling the people who watch it they need to take a look at themselves in the mirror.

This kind of pompous, arrogant attitude has no tolerance from my end.

 

[shaz619]

Oh come on man. There were a couple of rest spots but that is 100% forgivable considering the guy was wrestling after 7 years. I don't think its at all fair to criticize him being gassed up on his first time back. But my point was that everything they did in the ring (minus rest spots)made sense, nothing felt out of place. Everything was executed to perfection and that is why it was a 5 star match for me.

I was watching Cody Dustin the other day and as much as I loved that match on the first watch, I took out points this time around for the Brandi interference which I thought was utterly stupid and nonsensical. Crowd also was not nearly as hot.

As for the Omega match, I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. Because I respect your opinion very much. But I just thought it was a really cool, unique modern-style wrestling match where both guys worked their ***** off. I just loved it.

As for the magazines, don't care at all. I check Meltzer's ratings just because I used to agree with him long time ago. But I'm not such a massive mark for AEW that I completely look past their flaws like Uncle Dave. Still, I appreciate what AEW are doing with other promotions. I think its a net positive for the wrestling business that they can benefit from aswell. However, this is true for AAA, NJPW and even NWA. Not for Impact, which is absolute dead-weight and needs to be dropped like a hot potato.

Am not criticising the performance, but that’s what I saw and they expertly booked it to account for any of the engine issues we’ve seen some companies who ignore this, it’s expected, you’re not going to work like you did 7 years ago in your first match back and due to the pacing issues for me I would just about give it 4* because am a big Punk fan, but 5* I don’t think even Uncle Dave would be that generous and I’ve not seen a major site give it those marks, have any shared your view?

NWA and NJPW have enjoyed that recognition for decades and earned it, but when they chop and change / award it to any company it can insult the prestige of a world championship, I’d like to see their criteria to be honest and am all for the boost in profile but that shouldn’t be the be and end all because then why not give ICW the same status and Rev Pro Wrestling if they are that generous and want to be charitable to all

 

[shaz619]

Adam Cole is undoubtedly superior but he is certainly no stranger to doing rubbish. All you need to do is look at the stuff he has done in PWG in the past.

That said it made sense to make him heel because fans are already aware of his friendship with the Bucks. Might have been distracting if they didn't.

But hey I am just happy he is in AEW. Because he went as far as he could in NXT and got out at the right time considering what they are planning on doing with it. And WWE was not exactly ever an option.

He may well have done stupid crap and most likely I would hate it but can he work? yes, can he talk? yes, is he charismatic? yes, am not a massive fan of his style but he is very professional in the ring and fantastic at adapting, he’s a great all round performer and has an aura about him, I can’t say the same about the other guy.

Yeah doesn’t look in good shape over there now but based on recent events with HHH maybe they want him to take time away from running things, even though it makes me Puke that the Vince behind licker will be the lead man for them. Cole had a landmark run however

 

[shaz619]

At the end of the day, my problem with him is that he has no right to act all high and mighty and pass judgment on people who happen to like something he doesn't like.

I hate anime. Doesn't mean I will go around telling the people who watch it they need to take a look at themselves in the mirror.

This kind of pompous, arrogant attitude has no tolerance from my end.

Fair enough that’s true I suppose

 

[SangasCoverDrive]

You probably haven't watched much of AEW.

I have watched and it’s one of the most corniest show ever. Signs of cringy Attitude Era stories like Katie Vick and other ** stories but of course you are an AEW mark so you won’t see it

 

[SangasCoverDrive]

WWE is literally feeding people to AEW. Vince cannot care less about the company anymore as he knows that now most of the people don’t take wrestling seriously. The funny thing is that all AEW marks can do is compare it to WWE when they can’t stand the same for AEW. False finishes, people trying to kill each other and corny comedy is what all AEW is about and they can enjoy this honeymoon period now but I can see them cutting off their roster within next 6 months because of diseconomies of scale given the fact that the other ventures of Tony K is doing f all. Jaguars is a joker team and Fulham is a YoYo club of premier league

 

[SangasCoverDrive]

Look at the reaction of AEW marks to HHH heart attack news and then people wonder why AEW marks are disliked. They remind me of Indian cricket fans tbvf or actually worse than them. At least Indian cricket fans have a reason to support their team by hook or crook but AEW marks have no reason to do it, after all it’s a scripted TV show and most AEW fans lack common sense, I remember this one AEW mark on Twitter said that I should k word myself for not watching AEW and he hopes that my family dies of COVID and you want me to take these neckbearded fans seriously?

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

He may well have done stupid crap and most likely I would hate it but can he work? yes, can he talk? yes, is he charismatic? yes, am not a massive fan of his style but he is very professional in the ring and fantastic at adapting, he’s a great all round performer and has an aura about him, I can’t say the same about the other guy.

Yeah doesn’t look in good shape over there now but based on recent events with HHH maybe they want him to take time away from running things, even though it makes me Puke that the Vince behind licker will be the lead man for them. Cole had a landmark run however

No arguments there. He is on a different level compared to the three EVPs. Not that I don't like Omega as a wrestler, but Cole for me is just better and a complete package because he's incredible not just in the ring, but on the mic too. My only hope is that he distances himself from the bad comedy and some of the other annoying things that the Elite do. Ultimately he has to be a heel anyway, because he is a natural heel so I don't mind him with the Elite as long as it doesn't drag him down.

And he sure made his friends look like utter muppets last night when he cut that promo. Wasn't even a landmark promo or anything. But it was quality because that's what you expect from him and it reminded why he's on another level as compared to these guys.

Also, lol how stupid do the Good Brothers look standing in the background? Why are they still on AEW, even? Cole didn't even mention them in his promo. They essentially looked like job guys who dress up as security guards

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Omg MJF's promo last night is the greatest heel promo I've heard since maybe Suit & Tie Jericho, that's proper heel heat.

Pac Vs Andrade on Friday, and then we've got the huge New York/New Jersey shows back to back.

Incredible promo. This is why MJF is the most natural heel in the business.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Am not criticising the performance, but that’s what I saw and they expertly booked it to account for any of the engine issues we’ve seen some companies who ignore this, it’s expected, you’re not going to work like you did 7 years ago in your first match back and due to the pacing issues for me I would just about give it 4* because am a big Punk fan, but 5* I don’t think even Uncle Dave would be that generous and I’ve not seen a major site give it those marks, have any shared your view?

NWA and NJPW have enjoyed that recognition for decades and earned it, but when they chop and change / award it to any company it can insult the prestige of a world championship, I’d like to see their criteria to be honest and am all for the boost in profile but that shouldn’t be the be and end all because then why not give ICW the same status and Rev Pro Wrestling if they are that generous and want to be charitable to all

Fair enough. I can understand that. Yeah Uncle Dave was not as high on the match. I can't recall hearing anyone share my view thus far but then again that doesn't really matter to me. Maybe part of it was the nostalgia factor and just seeing Punk back again, but I just thought that it perfectly met my expectations. No gimmicks, no frills, proper wrestling but had a big-match feel aswell. Darby got over and took some crazy bumps but Punk looked good (even if he was a little gassed). The psychology was on-point. And like I said, I just felt everything was executed to perfection which is why I loved it so much.

Yeah that's a fair point I think. But atleast you can respect them as companies. NWA since the rebrand has really reinvented themselves and I can appreciate the old school look and feel as well as the sports presentation. NJPW is obviously NJPW and the history and mythology is still there. And while NWA may be somewhat scare when it comes to talent, NJPW still has a pretty amazing talent roster. They almost always do. So with them there is alot to be gained for AEW.

The only left of Impact though is the corpse of a wrestling promotion that died a terrible death years ago

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

It’s embarrassing that someone like Adam Cole is playing second fiddle to Kenny Omega when he is vastly superior in every way, I don’t think Kenny belongs in the same ring as Bryan either who belongs on wrestlings mount rush more. Time will tell what they do with Cole but I wouldn’t have booked him to rub shoulders with the elite goofs

Like him or not, he is AEW's top most guy. So whenever there is going to be a major star coming in, or even just a major competitor; they are eventually going to lock horns with him.

I'm not crazy about him or anything but I do feel that he is a very good wrestler. And with Bryan (who is obviously on a whole another level) there is the potential to have an incredible match.

 

[shaz619]

Fair enough. I can understand that. Yeah Uncle Dave was not as high on the match. I can't recall hearing anyone share my view thus far but then again that doesn't really matter to me. Maybe part of it was the nostalgia factor and just seeing Punk back again, but I just thought that it perfectly met my expectations. No gimmicks, no frills, proper wrestling but had a big-match feel aswell. Darby got over and took some crazy bumps but Punk looked good (even if he was a little gassed). The psychology was on-point. And like I said, I just felt everything was executed to perfection which is why I loved it so much.

Yeah that's a fair point I think. But atleast you can respect them as companies. NWA since the rebrand has really reinvented themselves and I can appreciate the old school look and feel as well as the sports presentation. NJPW is obviously NJPW and the history and mythology is still there. And while NWA may be somewhat scare when it comes to talent, NJPW still has a pretty amazing talent roster. They almost always do. So with them there is alot to be gained for AEW.

The only left of Impact though is the corpse of a wrestling promotion that died a terrible death years ago

It was an outstanding match in its own right though despite what I said and is definitely one of the best they have ever produced, it’s a testament to Punk’s ability and ring-generalship that he could produce the goods despite being away for so long, it was a beautiful match and made perfect sense, you don’t often see much logic in how raslers work but that wasn’t the case here, Punk is a very creative guy and perhaps knowing what he is capable of maybe I judged it a little differently because I can assure you he will have matches which are event better then that, Punk’s creativity in the ring and ability to adapt/improve is extremely under rated, just look at the leap he took from the independent circuit to how he was able to become vastly superior under the E’s system/umbrella.

Yes they scouted some of the high profile talent which would end up signing with AEW so credit to Corgan for that and for bringing back the territory format with the modern twists, they don’t have the budget to keep their stars but have an identity and unmatched heritage, the NWA world title remains the most prestigious in wrestling. It’s sad what has become of Impact after the early 2000’s.

 

[Asim_khan]

ALL OUT was freakin' insane. Probably one of the greatest wrestling PPVs I have ever seen.

Punk vs. Darby was perfect in every way. Proper wrestling match, no wasted motion. Punk looked amazing, Darby came off as a genuine competitor who could beat him. Classic veteran vs. up-start dynamic. Might just be the best match I have seen in AEW yet. And that's saying something

Omega vs. Christian was another classic. Despite a noticeable botch, this was such a cool and unique match. The Japanese style table stomp stood out, as did a number of other spots. It was just short of perfect for me. Omega, you expect to work well, but I was amazed at how well Christian worked this match which was a pleasant surprise as I have always been a massive Christian mark. And then ofcourse there was the post match stuff which was just mind-blowing.

Bucks vs. Lucha Bros. was absolutely crazy. Super high work-rate, so many crazy spots. This match did not let up for a second. The pace was utterly insane.

[MENTION=98507]Asim_khan[/MENTION] Probably the 3 best matches of the night. What were your thoughts on the other two?

Agreed, it's the best ppv I've seen in recent memory, at about half way in after Ruby Soho had just won the Casino Battle Royale, and they ran down what was to come and I thought we're in line for an all timer here, and they all delivered. Her getting the Rancid music pretty much guarantees her becoming a star for me. She's always had the in ring prowess.

The Bucks/Lucha Bros. match was insane. I'm so glad they didn't go for an insane destroyer off the top of the cage, I feared it when Nick Jackson followed Fenix to the top, but he kicked him down and then kept it to the one diving cross body, although we did get the one off the top turnbuckle.

The Punk/Darby match was way beyond what I thought Punk would be able to do physically in his first match back, but Darby bumped like nobodies business for him, that GTS to outside the ring looked incredible. There were also many callbacks to Bret Hart matches, particularly the RAW classic against Waltman, they put that together so well. Punk is such a Bret Hart mark. I think Darby is too, he did that Bret-Piper finish vs 10 from the Dark Order earlier this year for the TNT title.

The Kenny Omega vs Christian match was incredible, I was hoping for more of what they gave in the first match, instead they both switched it up and told a slow building NJPW style match, this could've been straight out of G1 climax. Absolutley loved the Botch recovery, Omega slipped for the moonsault from guardrail, so he does the cheeky charming smile at the crowd, thinks about it and does the million times more difficult jumping reverse moonsault to cover it up. Take away the technical difficulty in doing that- to have the confidence to do that after a botch is outrageous, all while staying in character as this arrogant jackass, expert heel work. He is just incredible and why for me he's the greatest I've ever seen. And Christian is just the best, the way they built the match to the finish, the reversals of the finishers on the top turnbuckle, have you seen the image of the crowd all standing up as they're about to hit the finisher, it shows you've told one hell of a story in there.

Loved the debut's too, Chris Jericho has been begging TK to do this double reveal for ages, the one where the crowd thinks that's it, and you hit them with the second, he got him to do it for the Exalted One reveal, where we then got Matt Hardy debuting, but that was sadly without a crowd.

 

[Asim_khan]

https://twitter.com/OfficialPWI/status/1435611376148533256



Kenny Omega has been ranked PWI's #1 for 2021. Fully deserved. It's the second time he's won. An incredible achievement. Roman finally hit his groove this year after failing for 7 years, but even this injured broken down Omega is untouchable in the ring, as his recovery from the botch showed at the PPV. Bring champ of 3 separate major orgs, the first to do such a thing since Vader, was always gonna ensure his place at the top of the pile.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Agreed, it's the best ppv I've seen in recent memory, at about half way in after Ruby Soho had just won the Casino Battle Royale, and they ran down what was to come and I thought we're in line for an all timer here, and they all delivered. Her getting the Rancid music pretty much guarantees her becoming a star for me. She's always had the in ring prowess.

The Bucks/Lucha Bros. match was insane. I'm so glad they didn't go for an insane destroyer off the top of the cage, I feared it when Nick Jackson followed Fenix to the top, but he kicked him down and then kept it to the one diving cross body, although we did get the one off the top turnbuckle.

The Punk/Darby match was way beyond what I thought Punk would be able to do physically in his first match back, but Darby bumped like nobodies business for him, that GTS to outside the ring looked incredible. There were also many callbacks to Bret Hart matches, particularly the RAW classic against Waltman, they put that together so well. Punk is such a Bret Hart mark. I think Darby is too, he did that Bret-Piper finish vs 10 from the Dark Order earlier this year for the TNT title.

The Kenny Omega vs Christian match was incredible, I was hoping for more of what they gave in the first match, instead they both switched it up and told a slow building NJPW style match, this could've been straight out of G1 climax. Absolutley loved the Botch recovery, Omega slipped for the moonsault from guardrail, so he does the cheeky charming smile at the crowd, thinks about it and does the million times more difficult jumping reverse moonsault to cover it up. Take away the technical difficulty in doing that- to have the confidence to do that after a botch is outrageous, all while staying in character as this arrogant jackass, expert heel work. He is just incredible and why for me he's the greatest I've ever seen. And Christian is just the best, the way they built the match to the finish, the reversals of the finishers on the top turnbuckle, have you seen the image of the crowd all standing up as they're about to hit the finisher, it shows you've told one hell of a story in there.

Loved the debut's too, Chris Jericho has been begging TK to do this double reveal for ages, the one where the crowd thinks that's it, and you hit them with the second, he got him to do it for the Exalted One reveal, where we then got Matt Hardy debuting, but that was sadly without a crowd.

What I liked about the Cage match was that they didn't need to do such a crazy, life-threatening move because they had already done so much prior to that they they just needed a cherry on top to finish the job. The destroyer from the top-rope was bad enough and really looked like it did a number on Matt or Nick (can't remember who that was). That said, I thought it was pretty stupid and bad psychology for Penta to take the cross-body and then get-up one second later as if nothing happened to him while the Bucks (obviously) sold the move. That made no sense to me. But it was still a whopper match.

Lot of people compared this to Bret vs. 123 Kid. I can see that comparison. And I agree Darby took some nasty bumps. But if this is how Punk is doing on his first match, I can't even wait to see how he does once he gets into his groove. Because this was simply awesome and one of the rare occasions of a highly anticipated match living upto my expectations perfectly.

With Omega v Christian the result was expected to a great extent, I guess. Which might have made it predictable. But I loved the fact that Christian was presented like a main-eventer and a serious star, and he worked like a main-eventer and a serious star. I really liked the finish and if anything I was surprised that Christian was willing to take such a serious bump. At any rate, a classic match. As for the botch, yeah I guess I can look past it because he covered up the best way that he could. It wasn't like the time he hit his head on the turnbuckle attempting the moonsault after doing the fireman's carry roll. And at the end of the day anyone can make mistakes.

Yeah obviously that was the cherry on top of an amazing show. I kinda liked the swerve/misdirection because everyone was expecting Bryan. But when Cole came out people thought that would was the surprise and that the would be a face. So good job all around with the whole thing.

My only quip is that Bryan didn't come out to The Final Countdown. But from what I've heard, Europe was being greedy and wanted too much money so we get a modified Flight of the Valkyries, which tbh isn't too bad either. I did miss Cole's Undisputed Era theme though when he came out.

 

[shaz619]

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Kenny Omega has been ranked PWI's #1 for 2021. Fully deserved. It's the second time he's won. An incredible achievement. Roman finally hit his groove this year after failing for 7 years, but even this injured broken down Omega is untouchable in the ring, as his recovery from the botch showed at the PPV. Bring champ of 3 separate major orgs, the first to do such a thing since Vader, was always gonna ensure his place at the top of the pile.

He won championships which were only considered world titles by PWI since Jan 2021, I don’t recall any top star of any company botching so horrifically in the main event of a land mark PPV as the so called best around, wrestlers who are untouchable should at the very least be able to execute their moves. As for his PWI ranking, it’s only until recently that certain publications are jumping on the bandwagon to pander to youth who predominately spend their time on the internet, he has only ever been ranked in the top 10 by them 4 times despite having so much creative freedom (and below 50 a staggering 8 times) while Roman has been in the top 10 about 7 times in a environment where there are more obstacles in place. Extremely one-dimensional and over rated spot monkey who can’t even nail his spots or cut a compelling promo to save his life, he is untouchable as far as botching as a so called top guy is concerned.

 

[shaz619]

I have watched and it’s one of the most corniest show ever. Signs of cringy Attitude Era stories like Katie Vick and other ** stories but of course you are an AEW mark so you won’t see it

One of the posters above just said this about a Kenny Omega match who is the GOAT apparently:

“Absolutely loved the Botch recovery, Omega slipped for the moonsault from guardrail, so he does the cheeky charming smile at the crowd”

What in the blue hell, these comments are beyond bizarre and only confirm my suspicions of the type of audience that enjoy Kenny, closet is slowly opening ) he definitely fits your earlier description of raslin fans in 2021

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

It was an outstanding match in its own right though despite what I said and is definitely one of the best they have ever produced, it’s a testament to Punk’s ability and ring-generalship that he could produce the goods despite being away for so long, it was a beautiful match and made perfect sense, you don’t often see much logic in how raslers work but that wasn’t the case here, Punk is a very creative guy and perhaps knowing what he is capable of maybe I judged it a little differently because I can assure you he will have matches which are event better then that, Punk’s creativity in the ring and ability to adapt/improve is extremely under rated, just look at the leap he took from the independent circuit to how he was able to become vastly superior under the E’s system/umbrella.

Yes they scouted some of the high profile talent which would end up signing with AEW so credit to Corgan for that and for bringing back the territory format with the modern twists, they don’t have the budget to keep their stars but have an identity and unmatched heritage, the NWA world title remains the most prestigious in wrestling. It’s sad what has become of Impact after the early 2000’s.

Agree 100% on everything about Punk. I can't even wait to see how he does when he gets into his groove. And looks like he is moving onto a feud with Team Taz next which is amazing because. Because not only will that mean amazing promos featuring Taz and Punk. But that will allow him to work programs with Hobbs and Starks while being in the same feud. Possibly even a tag match featuring Cage. This has the potential to be outstanding.

 

[Asim_khan]

My only quip is that Bryan didn't come out to The Final Countdown. But from what I've heard, Europe was being greedy and wanted too much money so we get a modified Flight of the Valkyries, which tbh isn't too bad either. I did miss Cole's Undisputed Era theme though when he came out.

Remember that Idiotic Money mark you claimed Tony was? Even he's not paying $50k a hit for The Final Countdown.

Speaking of Money Marks, MSG is still not sold out for tonights Smackdown, despite Vince bringing Brock out, as well as the big names from RAW. Brock is on an 8 figure deal. Cm Punk effect. Brock's the best business man in Pro Wrestling.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Remember that Idiotic Money mark you claimed Tony was? Even he's not paying $50k a hit for The Final Countdown.

Speaking of Money Marks, MSG is still not sold out for tonights Smackdown, despite Vince bringing Brock out, as well as the big names from RAW. Brock is on an 8 figure deal. Cm Punk effect. Brock's the best business man in Pro Wrestling.

Well he is still a money mark. Just a smart one who also knows what he is doing and hasn't completely gone senile like the guy who runs the biggest wrestling company in the world. At any rate 50k is just insane. How did Bryan use it as his theme back in ROH?

Surprising. Because even during their worst years the Garden was considered to be WWE's home turf. I honestly don't see WWE's product qualitatively improving until Vince retires or dies because he seems to have reverted to the same idiotic sensibilities he had in the 1980. And even then the company might be too far gone considering how Nick Khan is doing things these days.

 

[Asim_khan]

ROH was basically indie mudshow, run by the guys who used to produce the DVD's for ECW, and like them they didn't care for cease and desist etc, totally wild west, but once they started ppv's, they had to start licensing the music and that's where Europe hit them with the $50k per use. Can't say I blame them, they're the epitome of a one hit wonder band, not like they're gonna be paying their bills via their next album.

Vince has surrounded himself with too many yes men, Pritchard, Laurinitis and Dunn are super anti Heyman, Hunter and Stephanie, and infact weren't Johnny Ace and Brother Love fired cos of Trips and Stephanie before? The absolute dream scenario would be for Heyman to run a show and Hunter to run the other and Vince concentrate on the busines side of things.

As far as Slick Nick, I think he's here for a fire sale

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

ROH was basically indie mudshow, run by the guys who used to produce the DVD's for ECW, and like them they didn't care for cease and desist etc, totally wild west, but once they started ppv's, they had to start licensing the music and that's where Europe hit them with the $50k per use. Can't say I blame them, they're the epitome of a one hit wonder band, not like they're gonna be paying their bills via their next album.

Vince has surrounded himself with too many yes men, Pritchard, Laurinitis and Dunn are super anti Heyman, Hunter and Stephanie, and infact weren't Johnny Ace and Brother Love fired cos of Trips and Stephanie before? The absolute dream scenario would be for Heyman to run a show and Hunter to run the other and Vince concentrate on the busines side of things.

As far as Slick Nick, I think he's here for a fire sale

That's actually hilarious. Still though I'll always have respect + a special place in my heart for ROH. Just for that 2000s class that gave us the first real look at so many of the greatest modern day in-ring talents.

Yeah but ultimately I blame Vince for that. He likes Yes men. He doesn't really like people who regularly disagree with him and this is something a number of people have attested to. Trips was good as long as he was doing his own thing and Vince wasn't watching. Paul E himself would be on the top of that list...he regularly fought with Vince when he was running SmackDown and it was the best wrestling show on TV. And even if he brings Paul E back, sooner or later Vince will fire him like he did when he was running RAW recently. Because at the end of the day Paul E understands wrestling, Vince does not.

I agree that does sound like an ideal solution. Hack, even Shane ain't bad. He understands wrestling a heck of alot better than his dad or his sister. But like I said, as long as Vince is at the helm it will be the same stupid, childish, non-serious, sports-entertainment garbage.

 

[Asim_khan]

AEW Grand Slam tonight, taking place in Arthur Ashe, they've moved production in and final venue capacity is around 20,300, they'd sold just under 19,000 48 hours before the event, but they've done loads of promotional appearances, Bryan and Punk on radio and Orange Cassidy on the MLB Baseball morning show, and some chalk marks on the sidewalks around Queens, even pizza boxes


Here's a first look at what the venue's gonna look like, looks great, I hope they can film it to show it's scale and not just like it's a usual Dynamite

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

AEW Grand Slam tonight, taking place in Arthur Ashe, they've moved production in and final venue capacity is around 20,300, they'd sold just under 19,000 48 hours before the event, but they've done loads of promotional appearances, Bryan and Punk on radio and Orange Cassidy on the MLB Baseball morning show, and some chalk marks on the sidewalks around Queens, even pizza boxes
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Here's a first look at what the venue's gonna look like, looks great, I hope they can film it to show it's scale and not just like it's a usual Dynamite

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Impressive marketing. I have never wanted to be in New York more in my life.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

[MENTION=98507]Asim_khan[/MENTION]

What did you think of the biggest night in AEW's television history? (atleast from a matches POV)

 

[Asim_khan]

[MENTION=98507]Asim_khan[/MENTION]

What did you think of the biggest night in AEW's television history? (atleast from a matches POV)

Kenny Omega Vs Bryan Danielson is the greatest TV match ever, I kid you not, drop whatever you're doing and watch that from beginning to end, if there's a better match on TV I've certainly not seen it, and in many ways the match didn't even get out of second gear until the final 2 minutes, which is frightening. Crowd was incredible throughout. Those 30 seconds before the match started and then the pop for the collar and elbow tie up, that's gonna be talked about for years. It had so much to live up to after that, and they did. The way they teased Bryan's neck injuries throughout was masterful. His selling is next level. Result was the correct one, its begging for a sequel, which will feel like a continuation.

The rest of the show was good, but not great, maybe aside from Sting dialling back like it's 1994, how the hell is he 62?? FTR are incredible at putting others over. Those are the 2 matches I'd say were must see. Can't recommend them highly enough.

Rampage looks absolutely stacked, most the other big matches seem to have been kept for that card. Thankfully avoided spoilers for it so far.

 

[Aman]

I was using Kenny's success to rub it in some haters face, but Kenny legitimately is writing himself into the history books.

Could finish as the GOAT wrestler.

Insane match quality he has, Okada can't even keep up.

 

[Aman]

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Kenny Omega has been ranked PWI's #1 for 2021. Fully deserved. It's the second time he's won. An incredible achievement. Roman finally hit his groove this year after failing for 7 years, but even this injured broken down Omega is untouchable in the ring, as his recovery from the botch showed at the PPV. Bring champ of 3 separate major orgs, the first to do such a thing since Vader, was always gonna ensure his place at the top of the pile.

Well deserved for the best bout machine.

Topped Roman as well, that's certain to rile up some WWE fan boys

 

[shaz619]

The usual aids in this thread but thankfully can’t see it as ya”ll on block.

A great in-ring debut for Bryan, the guy who was violated for his ring work and style by hipsters some of which were ex-WWE fan boys but he was criticised because he worked for the wrong company.

Anyhow I enjoyed the match but what a horrible finish, if any other company did it they would be criticised heavily. The match is up there with some of Bryan’s best on TV but what this proves is, without doubt, he belongs on the mount rush-more of wrestling, especially after carrying Kenny to a great match. To Kenny’s credit, ignoring his goofy mannerisms and reckless buckle power-bomb which nearly injured Bryan, he tried to work like a heel at times for once and has that generic CAW style which creates a great clash with superior in-ring workers and allows them to pain masterpiece on a blank canvas, otherwise it’s clear even in this match, in terms of aesthetics, technique and overall skill; he was vastly inferior to Bryan Danielson.

The tag main event was solid to and Sting performed incredibly well, he has one big singles match in him for sure.

Overall a good outing for AEW in a NYC stadium, they could have got better shots of the arena though but they clearly have the momentum right now and giving away matches like this on TV certainly makes them the more watchable but interesting if Dave and his flock would criticise this the same way they use to bury WCW for doing it.

 

[Adil_94]

Watched Grand Slam very entertaining show. Omega vs Danielson was a great match.

No coincidence Omega's 2 best matches in AEW Have been with Christian & Bryan who work that WWE big match style more focus on a slow methodical build up then slowly adding high spots to build to a climax. Use of psychology and story telling. Really cut out Omegas goofyness also which made me take him more seriously.

But rest of the show was very entertaining too.

Liked FTR vs Sting/Darby tho FTR look like total geeks now. I remember they complained about how they were treated in WWE but after that token title run theyve done nothing for like 6-7 months. They complained about having to get beaten up by the NWO on legends night but Dax just tapped to a 62 yr old Sting wrestling in a shirt - Sting looks amazing for his age btw he has a big singles match left as [MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] has said. but if WWE booked this- it would cause way more outrage. But meltzer and co wont criticise aew.

Britt vs Ruby soho was okay some sloppy spots.

Brian pillman jr vs mjf was okay but pillman looks a total geek now.

Malakai black cody was also good just weird finish.

This whole AEW vs WWE debate is asinine WWE is legit the disney/mcdonalds of wrestling for many people wrestling is WWE.

AEW just need to focus on their own thing n be an alternative. No need for monday night war mentality tho i see more that from the cultish aspects of their fanbase than say the ownership as such


Also now they need to stop any more new signings n focus on building their current roster which is stacked.

N not just rely on hotshot booking to pop a rating.

They gave away Omega n Danielson probs the biggest not seen before dream match they could do on free tv. Luckily i think theres plenty of legs in this feud so wont totally kill it but ideally should have been saved for PPV

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Kenny Omega Vs Bryan Danielson is the greatest TV match ever, I kid you not, drop whatever you're doing and watch that from beginning to end, if there's a better match on TV I've certainly not seen it, and in many ways the match didn't even get out of second gear until the final 2 minutes, which is frightening. Crowd was incredible throughout. Those 30 seconds before the match started and then the pop for the collar and elbow tie up, that's gonna be talked about for years. It had so much to live up to after that, and they did. The way they teased Bryan's neck injuries throughout was masterful. His selling is next level. Result was the correct one, its begging for a sequel, which will feel like a continuation.

The rest of the show was good, but not great, maybe aside from Sting dialling back like it's 1994, how the hell is he 62?? FTR are incredible at putting others over. Those are the 2 matches I'd say were must see. Can't recommend them highly enough.

Rampage looks absolutely stacked, most the other big matches seem to have been kept for that card. Thankfully avoided spoilers for it so far.

Sorry man but Omega vs. Bryan was ruined for me because of that cop-out finish. Everything they did upto that point became useless because of the finish. I know they probably want to build to a PPV match at Full Gear but I think if you do a match like this big, you either have to let one guy go over, or you shouldn't do the match at all. And when I think about that match all I can think about is the finish and how much it enraged me. Might be an unpopular opinion to discredit a match because of the finish, because it was almost certainly a classic had it not been for that finish. But that's just how I feel.

I really liked Black vs. Cody. Good booking and match was pretty good too. Sensing a heel-turn for Cody because the crowd has turned on him viciously. And nowhere was that more evident than here. Liked Sting/Darby v FTR too.

Britt Baker vs. Ruby Soho though was a disappointing main-event. Britt looked like an absolute star as always and so good in the ring as well. But Soho did not look like a star at all and simply did not match-up to Britt's level in any way; be it physicality or in-ring work. Even when she had the momentum I didn't believe she was going to win at any moment. AEW is in desperate need of more credible female stars. Jade is too green. Which basically leaves Britt and Thunder Rosa.

Overall, an okay show. Expected more. Excited for the Rampage show which has 4 matches I really want to see, with the Lights Out match being on top of the list.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Seeing Kevin Owens in WWE is downright sad. Doing jobs for Baron freakin' Corbin, looking rudderless and nothing like the guy who lit up the indie scene during his ROH days, and who shattered the perception of what a great wrestler was supposed to look like.

Its crazy how talented he is in the ring, and on the mic....and how badly he has been used/booked post 2016.

But there is a silver lining because if the rumors and his expressions are anything to go by, it won't be long before he shows up in AEW. And THAT will be something amazing. The return of Kevin Steen. I can't imagine the reaction when he comes out to his old ROH theme.

And we all know that once that happens, its only a matter of time before Zayn shows up and the eternal feud continues.

 

[Asim_khan]

I'd love Big Kev and Generico in AEW, they'd fit like a glove, they've got so much history with so many guys in AEW, it will be seamless. Jericho, Omega, Bucks, Cole, The Dark Order, 2.0, Cabana, Excalibur Etc etc from ROH, to PWG and even in WWE. Heard a few people mention that Owens has mentally checked out and it looks like the last few months of Ambrose's stay with WWE. I can see the Bucks/Cole turning on Kenny soon and Kev debuting and re-forming Mount Rushmore with them. Also him being such a huge Owen Hart mark, I can see him winning the first King of Harts tournament.

Don't know if you've watched the last 2 dynamite's, but they've been incredible. Cole/Jungle Boy was incredible last week, as was Bryan/Nick Jackson. Especially impressed with the fact that despite Bryan/Punk etc being brought in, Sammy Guevara, Hangman, Jungle Boy, Darby Allin, MJF etc have looked like a million bucks. The ladder match last night was awesome, and that pop for Hangman tells me he's as over as ever.

Can't wait to see how the stories progress, it's an exciting time.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

I'd love Big Kev and Generico in AEW, they'd fit like a glove, they've got so much history with so many guys in AEW, it will be seamless. Jericho, Omega, Bucks, Cole, The Dark Order, 2.0, Cabana, Excalibur Etc etc from ROH, to PWG and even in WWE. Heard a few people mention that Owens has mentally checked out and it looks like the last few months of Ambrose's stay with WWE. I can see the Bucks/Cole turning on Kenny soon and Kev debuting and re-forming Mount Rushmore with them. Also him being such a huge Owen Hart mark, I can see him winning the first King of Harts tournament.

Don't know if you've watched the last 2 dynamite's, but they've been incredible. Cole/Jungle Boy was incredible last week, as was Bryan/Nick Jackson. Especially impressed with the fact that despite Bryan/Punk etc being brought in, Sammy Guevara, Hangman, Jungle Boy, Darby Allin, MJF etc have looked like a million bucks. The ladder match last night was awesome, and that pop for Hangman tells me he's as over as ever.

Can't wait to see how the stories progress, it's an exciting time.

Oh for sure. And I think Kevin Owens becoming Kevin Steen again will be even better than Daniel Bryan becoming Bryan Danielson again. With Bryan you got to see how much more he can do in the ring but the personality is largely the same. With Steen we will get to see the stuff that got him over in ROH the first place: be it the crazy in-ring stuff, the return of the package piledriver, bloody grudge matches, unfiltered promos. Kill Steen Kill! or that awesome entrance music. Plus now he has the experience and wisdom that he has accumulated from working in a professional environment like WWE where he has also worked with the biggest stars of this era. Him reforming his old PWG stable and kicking Omega out would be awesome and would provide the perfect opportunity to turn Omega face which is their eventual plan anyway.

And like you said, the potential match-ups are simply mouth-watering. You can add Kingston, Mox and Bryan to that list and don't forget the guys he has barely/or no history at all with: Punk, MJF, Starks, Darby, Omega. The same goes for Zayn whose style of wrestling is even more pitch perfect for AEW. And how cool would it be to see the return of El Generico for a special match every now and again?

I have and I agree completely. Amazing shows from top to bottom and the fact that they have not lost focus of their future stars is quite impressive. AEW is really changing the wrestling business. They are providing high-quality TV matches on a weekly basis, they are changing traditionally held conceptions of how top guys should look like and they are presenting a product that is not just engaging but also has a little bit of everything stylistically.

Hangman is great. And glad to see he is still just as over. But I feel like its too early for him to become champion. His feud with Omega has the potential to last years. But right now I think the time is perfect to put the belt on Bryan. He's the perfect babyface, he will bring more prestige to the title and it will give us some absolutely whopper main-event World Title matches. Eventually he can drop the belt to Omega.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

The CM Punk-Eddie Kingston segment on Rampage last week was absolutely freakin' surreal.

Arguably one of the greatest promos I have ever seen. Especially when it comes to a back and forth between two individuals. Like all the best ones, it blurred the lines between reality and fiction. And what pleasantly surprised me was how Kingston went toe to toe with Punk in an argument that not only made logical sense (from both guys' POV) and had backstory, but also felt real because both guys were staying true to who they are.

And the fact that the crowd (which is arguably the biggest smart mark crowd in the business) was cheering and booing both guys, tells you what a great angle it was.

[MENTION=98507]Asim_khan[/MENTION] [MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] what did you guys think about this incredible piece of business?

 

[BunnyRabbit]

The CM Punk-Eddie Kingston segment on Rampage last week was absolutely freakin' surreal.

Arguably one of the greatest promos I have ever seen. Especially when it comes to a back and forth between two individuals. Like all the best ones, it blurred the lines between reality and fiction. And what pleasantly surprised me was how Kingston went toe to toe with Punk in an argument that not only made logical sense (from both guys' POV) and had backstory, but also felt real because both guys were staying true to who they are.

And the fact that the crowd (which is arguably the biggest smart mark crowd in the business) was cheering and booing both guys, tells you what a great angle it was.

[MENTION=98507]Asim_khan[/MENTION] [MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] what did you guys think about this incredible piece of business?

Can't really dig my teeth in AEW properly and i have been trying since the first Double Or Nothing.
I find Eddie Kingston too annoying. His in ring work is well below par. And his promos scream out to the mark community like see I am telling all the things that you guys want me saying. Punk's in ring work has taken a real beating during his exile. Plus I don't really understand what he's been doing every week since his return. He just comes in and talks about something. Or just sits and commentates. Like there has been very few meaningful segments with Punk.

Bryan is the only thing that I find interesting in AEW. His matches have always been pure wrestling clinic.

Of their young crop/own stars, I only find Sammy and Jungle Boy really good.

 

[shaz619]

The CM Punk-Eddie Kingston segment on Rampage last week was absolutely freakin' surreal.

Arguably one of the greatest promos I have ever seen. Especially when it comes to a back and forth between two individuals. Like all the best ones, it blurred the lines between reality and fiction. And what pleasantly surprised me was how Kingston went toe to toe with Punk in an argument that not only made logical sense (from both guys' POV) and had backstory, but also felt real because both guys were staying true to who they are.

And the fact that the crowd (which is arguably the biggest smart mark crowd in the business) was cheering and booing both guys, tells you what a great angle it was.

[MENTION=98507]Asim_khan[/MENTION] [MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] what did you guys think about this incredible piece of business?

I read about this mate, will check it out soon iA had a fair bit on lately not managed to catch up with much of the wrestling world, excited to see the duels on the mic

 

[shaz619]

Can't really dig my teeth in AEW properly and i have been trying since the first Double Or Nothing.
I find Eddie Kingston too annoying. His in ring work is well below par. And his promos scream out to the mark community like see I am telling all the things that you guys want me saying. Punk's in ring work has taken a real beating during his exile. Plus I don't really understand what he's been doing every week since his return. He just comes in and talks about something. Or just sits and commentates. Like there has been very few meaningful segments with Punk.

Bryan is the only thing that I find interesting in AEW. His matches have always been pure wrestling clinic.

Of their young crop/own stars, I only find Sammy and Jungle Boy really good.

They could have booked Punk better for sure but he has been out a long time to, while Bryan came in directly from the main event scene in WWE. The criticism on Punk’s ring work might be a little harsh though, his matches add to the card rather then take away from it, in addition to Bryan he adds some depth to the matches, Bryan is a master technician and Punk is creative in the ring

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Can't really dig my teeth in AEW properly and i have been trying since the first Double Or Nothing.
I find Eddie Kingston too annoying. His in ring work is well below par. And his promos scream out to the mark community like see I am telling all the things that you guys want me saying. Punk's in ring work has taken a real beating during his exile. Plus I don't really understand what he's been doing every week since his return. He just comes in and talks about something. Or just sits and commentates. Like there has been very few meaningful segments with Punk.

Bryan is the only thing that I find interesting in AEW. His matches have always been pure wrestling clinic.

Of their young crop/own stars, I only find Sammy and Jungle Boy really good.

I can understand that. The modern style of wrestling that AEW offers isn't always everyone's cup of tea. But that said, I feel they do have enough variety on their program to appeal to a number of different wrestling fans.

There's the crazy flips and gymnastics for people who like that stuff, there's alot of Japanese inspired strong style stuff, Mexican luchador stuff, but also just classical old school wrestling. And Danielson, FTR and MJF are probably the biggest proponents of that.

Jungle Boy and Sammy are good, as is Darby, but the biggest future star they have in my opinion is easily MJF. Nobody touches him when it comes to being a heel. And his in-ring work is always great and makes sense.

Punk's booking since his return definitely leaves lot of to be desired but I personally think he can still go. And I absolutely loved his match against Darby. As for Kingston, I didn't know about about him, or particularly care about him when he came to AEW. But he has been an absolute revelation for me because he feels real. He looks like a guy from Jersey who could beat the snot out of you, and that's what he projects in the ring and on the mic.

As for the promos part, tbh almost everyone is AEW tries to appeal to the smart marks in one way or the other because they probably have the biggest smart mark crowd in the wrestling business. But when Kingston used that part in his promo last week, it didn't stand out because it was just one small aspect of a bigger story. But when the Elite or more specifically The Young Bucks do it, the smart mark stuff always stands out like a sore thumb.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

I can understand that. The modern style of wrestling that AEW offers isn't always everyone's cup of tea. But that said, I feel they do have enough variety on their program to appeal to a number of different wrestling fans.

There's the crazy flips and gymnastics for people who like that stuff, there's alot of Japanese inspired strong style stuff, Mexican luchador stuff, but also just classical old school wrestling. And Danielson, FTR and MJF are probably the biggest proponents of that.

Jungle Boy and Sammy are good, as is Darby, but the biggest future star they have in my opinion is easily MJF. Nobody touches him when it comes to being a heel. And his in-ring work is always great and makes sense.

Punk's booking since his return definitely leaves lot of to be desired but I personally think he can still go. And I absolutely loved his match against Darby. As for Kingston, I didn't know about about him, or particularly care about him when he came to AEW. But he has been an absolute revelation for me because he feels real. He looks like a guy from Jersey who could beat the snot out of you, and that's what he projects in the ring and on the mic.

As for the promos part, tbh almost everyone is AEW tries to appeal to the smart marks in one way or the other because they probably have the biggest smart mark crowd in the wrestling business. But when Kingston used that part in his promo last week, it didn't stand out because it was just one small aspect of a bigger story. But when the Elite or more specifically The Young Bucks do it, the smart mark stuff always stands out like a sore thumb.

I'm actually all for the flips and luchador stuff. But I just like some grounded approach character wise rather than being all over the top. I absolutely love what Ospreay has been doing in NJPW for a few years now. Ricochet was absolutely amazing in PWG and NXT. But it's just that a lot of AEW guys go just a little over a top even with modern wrestling. I love what Fenix does. Easily stands out from the rest. FTR are good but then again the last I saw them was carrying a 60+ year old Sting and eventually losing to him. This was sort of the same booking why they left WWE.

Darby is awesome and has the appeal of a young Jeff Hardy. But I would like him to be stop being pampered by Sting who should be used as a sporadic appearance rather than being out there every week without doing much. Takes away the grand element of Sting and sort of dilutes Darby's presence. I actually found his match with Punk to be a copy paste of that old Brett vs Xpac match which it probably was as Punk is a big big fan of Brett.

Regarding MJF, he is really good on the mic. Has a lot of charisma. He is still young and raw but he will become better with time. I just find him a bit too overprotected for an upcomer. Like he has lost like just 2 matches in AEW I guess. Makes the results of his matches quite predictable. Like when the labors of Jericho started, I was like in the end, Jericho is going to lose to MJF again. I loved his promo on the post Dynamite after he lost to Jericho. That was one promo that really bought me. He looked genuinely ****** off and went nothing held back against both the crowd and Pillman Jr. Apart from that, I think he uses a lot of tried and tested heel garnering antics in his promos that sort of bring heat from the crowd but in a fun way.

The last real heel I saw was Ciampa during his 2018 run without a theme song. That was one heel that was played and booked with such perfection that he was being hated for real. Maybe it was the experience that Ciampa had. Hopefully MJF can become even better.

The last thing, I legit hate the cartoonish gimmicks of Bucks and Omega. Like it becomes really hard to take them seriously even with them being such great workers. I enjoyed Omega's run in NJPW where he was a lot more serious and minded and was more focused on in ring work rather than doing a gimmick.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

They could have booked Punk better for sure but he has been out a long time to, while Bryan came in directly from the main event scene in WWE. The criticism on Punk’s ring work might be a little harsh though, his matches add to the card rather then take away from it, in addition to Bryan he adds some depth to the matches, Bryan is a master technician and Punk is creative in the ring

Yes but I think Punk needs better storylines than wrestling with Hobbs and Garcia.

 

[Asim_khan]

Really enjoyed Full Gear, well worth the purchase. I can't remember a show having multiple match of the year contenders in one show before. Definitely show of the year for me, with All out running it a close second.

Bryan will probably end up being Wrestler of the year at this point, his 10 matches or so have been exceptional, what a shame he was wasted between 2009 and March 2021, the American Dragon is simply beyond.

Punk and Kingston was an absolute War. Punk has been getting his reps in, but here's his first story, and in less than 2 weeks, it's already beyond pretty much everything in Wrestling outside of the Main Event match. One of the absolute greats.

The 4 pillars all shone, Darby vs MJF is one of the great ppv openers for me, Jungle Jack Perry is a legit guy now, loved how Christian placed him in the middle at the end of the match, and Sammy is getting called out by all the made guys who are debuting, and really shone in the street fight.

I'm a huge Jay Lethal fan, really interested in what he's gonna do, his run as double champion in ROH with the house of truth is one of my absolute fave moments in all of Wrestling. The amount of guys who got contracts with NXT/NJPW after having fought Jay Lethal during that time is legendary, Ciampa, Dijak, Cole, Briscoe's, Fish/O'Reilly, if he can do something similar for the young AEW guys, he's gonna be a great investment.

Lastly, the main event was worth the wait. I think the first chapter of AEW closed after that. It really feels like the 2nd chapter is starting.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

It ain't perfect but what AEW is offering right now is truly unprecedented in pro-wrestling history. There is atleast one quality match on TV every week or every other week. Their PPVs are full of whopper match after whopper match and the last two (All Out and Full gear) should be in contention among the greatest PPVs of all-time. In between you get multiple supercards almost every month or 2 months. And there are memorable promos on TV on a consistent basis because talented guys are allowed to be themselves instead of reading off a script written by some 25 year old comedy writer.

On top of that the talent roster is incredible and by far the best in the world. And now that AEW is dropping the dead-weight i.e. the Joey Janelas, Marko Stunts and Brain Cages, its only going to get better.

What a time to be a pro-wrestling fan!