All will be forgotten once the PSL begins

[omairsiddiqui]

All of Pakistan's failures in Test cricket, incompetence that was on display in South Africa and this gigantic gap that exists between us and other nations when it comes to skills - all will be forgotten and forgiven once the PSL begins.

When it ends, we will all be euphoric about the talent that has been discovered.

All of that joy and overconfidence will come to a crashing halt when we play England in May.

As you can tell, I'm beginning to lose interest in the PSL. I can't decide if it's helping or hurting Pakistan cricket.

 

[Saj]

And this is the danger.

People tend to focus too much on T20s instead of looking at the demise of domestic 4 day tournaments and Test cricket.

 

[Titan24]

The only difference in current test team and team of 2016 is not PSL but absence of Younus and Misbah and downfall of Azhar and Asad. Once we get and two decent test batsmen and we groom them properly there wont be much problem atleast in home tests.

I think Eng series in may will be a competitive one and not as one sided as some people feel.

 

[hadi123]

Sad truth. I've never really been that interested in the PSL tbh.

 

[Sirris]

This win today will make sure we end the tour on a high and forget about the test, ODI and t20i's series lost.

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

We might find another Hussain Talat.

 

[Markhor]

Exactly just like the last three disasterous winters.

We continue to decline in the two important formats but once the PSL jingle begins (and I can't stand that la la la crap) collective amnesia sets in and Pakistan fans go gaga over a second rate, substandard competition.

The batting standards are awful with Umar Akmal, 37 yr old Luke Ronchi and Kamran Akmal the leading runscorers of each edition thus far. The bowling quality is better, especially in spin, but they're up against pathetic Pakistani batsmen and UAE conditions are spin friendly anyway.

I cannot believe some compare PSL with IPL, Big Bash or even CPL. Apart from Sharjeel Khan, Fakhar Zaman and Hasan Ali (who possessed strong domestic and A team records anyway) - all the PSL products have been exposed at international level.

 

[Chokli]

Every team is Pakistani so we win all the time.

 

[Syed1]

We might find another Hussain Talat.

If that happens we need to ban PSL and erase it from history.

 

[Syed1]

The chief selector only waits for the PSL to do his job. How else will you explain Shadab Khan being selected for the test format when he hasn't completely developed yet?


Why aren't folks like Saad Ali picked who have been scoring heavily season after season? Don't blame PSL, blame this guy ----->



Worst part is he hides behind religiosity.

 

[Shaka81]

I know this might not be the popular opinion but I actually prefer T20 cricket and can't wait until the PSL starts. I wouldn't care if Test cricket ended and we only had T20 cricket with the occasional one day game and tournament.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Don't know why but i haven't for the first time in my life been so indifferent towards a Pakistan international series than this tour of SA and the preceeding NZ Tests.

Usually I know all the fixtures and the starting times of every match and am glued to the TV or cricinfo(if busy) during every Pakistani match, but this time around, I watched around 2-3 days of Test cricket in all series, and 2 ODI's. And for T20is I didn't even know if they were going on until the first inning had finished or the full match.

If Pakistan keep playing crappy cricket, I think a lot of people will start losing interest in cricket, some permanently probably.

With PSL, the good thing is that regardless of how bad the standard of cricket may be or how pointless it may be, atleast we won't see Pakistan Cricket losing, so it can be watched with relative neutrality and maybe casually for fun.

 

[Madplayer]

The chief selector only waits for the PSL to do his job. How else will you explain Shadab Khan being selected for the test format when he hasn't completely developed yet?


Why aren't folks like Saad Ali picked who have been scoring heavily season after season? Don't blame PSL, blame this guy ----->



Worst part is he hides behind religiosity.

He selected Asif after his 3 sixes in PSL. I bet Inzi didnt even check that this "27" year old guy has an average of 24 in LA and 15 in domestic t20s. Those numbers are atrocious no matter how you look at them. And he is not some 20 year old kid still learning how to bat.

 

[Syed1]

He selected Asif after his 3 sixes in PSL. I bet Inzi didnt even check that this "27" year old guy has an average of 24 in LA and 15 in domestic t20s. Those numbers are atrocious no matter how you look at them. And he is not some 20 year old kid still learning how to bat.

I'm just glad Asif wasn't selected for tests on the back off those three sixes. Going by Inzi's track record it was completely plausible.

 

[Hamza78]

Don’t think soo they now World Cup around the corner

 

[Saj]

I don't have much faith in the PSL providing Pakistan with international class players.

Watch it as a bit of fun like other T20 leagues but don't take performances too seriously.

 

[mastersaan10]

Only fun part of psl was new players coming on to the scene but unfortunately not many actually do .

 

[omairsiddiqui]

I don't have much faith in the PSL providing Pakistan with international class players.

Watch it as a bit of fun like other T20 leagues but don't take performances too seriously.

Totally in agreement with you here. The sooner the selectors realize this, the better. Although I don't think they will.

 

[Hasan123]

PSL being seen as a way into the national side is pathetic. That's the main reason I watch the PSL is to see young talent. But franchises mostly pick old players anyway.

 

[AAli98]

Surley the worst pak team in history, talat rizwan hafeez malik faheem shinwari shadab asif.

Not forgetting the “test specislists” azhar asad sarfraz.

Theyl win the odd game here & there but theyl lose more than theyr going to win!!

 

[Pete Rose]

As it should be. It’s sport and entertainment. But nothing stops OP from wallowing in his grief

 

[gazza619]

PSL can give us the Shadab Khans who is in progression. Lets not undertate PSL just because we lost against a better rank team in their home soil.

 

[Titan24]

I guess people are underestimating the importance of PSL. In just 3 editions it has given Shadab Khan, Fakhar Zaman, Shaheen Shah, Hassan Ali etc

Took IPL almost a decade for the impact you guys are seeing now in Kuldeep and Bumrah. Are they Ranjhi trophy products? No.

Shaheen or Shadab would never have been selected at this young age if it wasnt for PSL.

It filters the talent, if we groom it not that is another matter.

Bumrah or Kuldeep Yadav were never top wicket takers in List A or FC and they were selected on purely the skills they showed in the IPL.

India groomed them well and now they are really good bowlers in formats which they werent supposed to be part of.

 

[Pete Rose]

Exactly just like the last three disasterous winters.

We continue to decline in the two important formats but once the PSL jingle begins (and I can't stand that la la la crap) collective amnesia sets in and Pakistan fans go gaga over a second rate, substandard competition.

The batting standards are awful with Umar Akmal, 37 yr old Luke Ronchi and Kamran Akmal the leading runscorers of each edition thus far. The bowling quality is better, especially in spin, but they're up against pathetic Pakistani batsmen and UAE conditions are spin friendly anyway.

I cannot believe some compare PSL with IPL, Big Bash or even CPL. Apart from Sharjeel Khan, Fakhar Zaman and Hasan Ali (who possessed strong domestic and A team records anyway) - all the PSL products have been exposed at international level.

I recall IPL getting a fair amount of hate in its early years because India had not quite become the power house in international cricket as it does now. The psl is good avenue to play well, and be compensated for it. Fanncial security goes a long way in giving players the confidence to do well at international level. I see no reason to dunk on the tournament, because of a few howlers in selections. Lets face it, we can’t blame the test series debacle on ipl. Shadab only came in the last test and he actually did well. We lost the odi series because we don’t have the courage to bench seniors. This is a definitng characteristic of Pakistan selection processes and has little to do with psl.
For the purpose of financial solvency, I believe the psl is pcb’s from rest priority.

 

[Titan24]

I recall IPL getting a fair amount of hate in its early years because India had not quite become the power house in international cricket as it does now. The psl is good avenue to play well, and be compensated for it. Fanncial security goes a long way in giving players the confidence to do well at international level. I see no reason to dunk on the tournament, because of a few howlers in selections. Lets face it, we can’t blame the test series debacle on ipl. Shadab only came in the last test and he actually did well. We lost the odi series because we don’t have the courage to bench seniors. This is a definitng characteristic of Pakistan selection processes and has little to do with psl.
For the purpose of financial solvency, I believe the psl is pcb’s from rest priority.

Well put.

 

[Titan24]

On what basis Bumrah was selected to play test for India? Does he has an outstanding FC record or was a top wicket taker in Ranjhi?

He had progressed from IPL to International T20s to ODIs to Tests. They had the liberty to give Bumrah, Kuldeep 2,3 seasons of IPL and domestic and then select them. Progression was slow and steady.

While we had a lot of gaps to fill in the team and that too pretty fastly and that is why a lot of players were selected from the first 3 editions of PSL while India already had a settled team so they were able to afford slow progression.

We needed a right arm quick, so we selected Hassan, we needed an opener so we selected Zaman, we needed a leg spinner who can bat as well so we selected Shadab. They were all necessities for the team and PSL provided it. Yes progression could have been slow and steady but we didnt have players in 2016 to compete well. While Shaheen forced his way through sheer talent.

Now with a a lot of settled players its gonna be difficult for new players to come in unless they perform outstandingly well or they can replace someone like Talat, Asif, Shinwari etc who were decent but didnt create that much of an impact in recent times.

 

[Titan24]

PSL was a blessing when in 2016 we didnt have any player but more than that the eye to look for talent and we were ranked 8 in ODIs.

Whatever competitiveness we have in our LOIs outfit is due to players produced by PSL.

IPL, BPL and CPL all started earlier and their respective teams are benifiting from the talent filtering mechanism these T20 leagues are.

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

What baffles me is the apathy showed towards upcoming local batsmen by the PSL franchises. With this kind of apathy you’re only going to get bits and pieces players who will be over enthusiastically classified and glorified as all rounders.

 

[Titan24]

What baffles me is the apathy showed towards upcoming local batsmen by the PSL franchises. With this kind of apathy you’re only going to get bits and pieces players who will be over enthusiastically classified and glorified as all rounders.

Most of the overseas players are batsmen so they take most of the batting positions. Hopefully with new teams or team being added in upcoming seasons will give local batsmen more oppurtunities.

 

[MMHS]

On what basis Bumrah was selected to play test for India? Does he has an outstanding FC record or was a top wicket taker in Ranjhi?

He had progressed from IPL to International T20s to ODIs to Tests. They had the liberty to give Bumrah, Kuldeep 2,3 seasons of IPL and domestic and then select them. Progression was slow and steady.

While we had a lot of gaps to fill in the team and that too pretty fastly and that is why a lot of players were selected from the first 3 editions of PSL while India already had a settled team so they were able to afford slow progression.

We needed a right arm quick, so we selected Hassan, we needed an opener so we selected Zaman, we needed a leg spinner who can bat as well so we selected Shadab. They were all necessities for the team and PSL provided it. Yes progression could have been slow and steady but we didnt have players in 2016 to compete well. While Shaheen forced his way through sheer talent.

Now with a a lot of settled players its gonna be difficult for new players to come in unless they perform outstandingly well or they can replace someone like Talat, Asif, Shinwari etc who were decent but didnt create that much of an impact in recent times.

JB is a methodical product of Indian domestic cricket - I understand you haven't checked his domestic stats. He is bowling brilliantly now and everyone relates it to be IPL product, which is not. Here is the details -

He started FC career OCT 2013, a cool 4+ years before his Test debut on JAN 2018. He has 138 wickets in 36 FC games at 24 average, which is brilliant in Indian domestic standard. Since his Test debut, he has played 10 Tests for 49 wickets and probably at most 1-3 additional FC games - so before his Test debut, he had like 23-25 FC games with 80+ wickets in 4 years. His FC career started with a bang - 7 wickets for 89.

He debuted in ODI on JAN 2016, in AUS tour when IND was rebuilding for next WC ... a cool 29 months later his List A Debut. He has 130 List A wickets in 69 games at 19, net off his ODI (78 of 44 games), it's like 52 wickets in 25 games - that's more than 2 wickets/game at 17 or so .... and he played most of these games between 2013-2016.

He debuted in T20 in MAR 2013, 3 years before T20I debut - his T20 stats are relatively poor 152 wickets at 23 from 131 games at 7.2 economy - his T20I stats are actually better than T20 stats.

These information gives 4 clues -

1. He is completely a domestic FC/List A cricket product - his IPL records are nothing significant, in fact poor than his T20I stats

2. BCCI selectors do identify talent and know how to phase out sell by oldies - 2/3 years of Domestic cricket should be enough baptism for a quality player to move to higher level at the right age - that's International debut by U23 - before Bumrah, it was Iyer, KL Rahul and after Bumrah it's Kuldeep, Pant. For PCB that filter is 10 years & official age of may be 29, sometimes like 32 - like this lefti guy Waqas recently debuting

3. IPL is far superior compered to this farce of T20I, where apart from PAK none plays full squad, hence Bumrah's T20I stats are poorer than T20 after significant games (his Test stats are statistical anomaly - built on 10 Tests in SAF, ENG & AUS on low scoring pacers' tracks - it'll get normalized after couple of years).

4. PLs & SLs are rubbish - only incompetent fools will use that as a selection tool. Latest example is Imrul Kayes - he is going to lead CV in this years BPL Final and despite massive ZIM bashing, he has missed out NZ tour ...... something (both) has made Asif Ali almost Josh Buttler.

Hope you can digest my hash "expert analysis"

 

[Hyperion66]

JB is a methodical product of Indian domestic cricket - I understand you haven't checked his domestic stats. He is bowling brilliantly now and everyone relates it to be IPL product, which is not. Here is the details -

He started FC career OCT 2013, a cool 4+ years before his Test debut on JAN 2018. He has 138 wickets in 36 FC games at 24 average, which is brilliant in Indian domestic standard. Since his Test debut, he has played 10 Tests for 49 wickets and probably at most 1-3 additional FC games - so before his Test debut, he had like 23-25 FC games with 80+ wickets in 4 years. His FC career started with a bang - 7 wickets for 89.

He debuted in ODI on JAN 2016, in AUS tour when IND was rebuilding for next WC ... a cool 29 months later his List A Debut. He has 130 List A wickets in 69 games at 19, net off his ODI (78 of 44 games), it's like 52 wickets in 25 games - that's more than 2 wickets/game at 17 or so .... and he played most of these games between 2013-2016.

He debuted in T20 in MAR 2013, 3 years before T20I debut - his T20 stats are relatively poor 152 wickets at 23 from 131 games at 7.2 economy - his T20I stats are actually better than T20 stats.

These information gives 4 clues -

1. He is completely a domestic FC/List A cricket product - his IPL records are nothing significant, in fact poor than his T20I stats

2. BCCI selectors do identify talent and know how to phase out sell by oldies - 2/3 years of Domestic cricket should be enough baptism for a quality player to move to higher level at the right age - that's International debut by U23 - before Bumrah, it was Iyer, KL Rahul and after Bumrah it's Kuldeep, Pant. For PCB that filter is 10 years & official age of may be 29, sometimes like 32 - like this lefti guy Waqas recently debuting

3. IPL is far superior compered to this farce of T20I, where apart from PAK none plays full squad, hence Bumrah's T20I stats are poorer than T20 after significant games (his Test stats are statistical anomaly - built on 10 Tests in SAF, ENG & AUS on low scoring pacers' tracks - it'll get normalized after couple of years).

4. PLs & SLs are rubbish - only incompetent fools will use that as a selection tool. Latest example is Imrul Kayes - he is going to lead CV in this years BPL Final and despite massive ZIM bashing, he has missed out NZ tour ...... something (both) has made Asif Ali almost Josh Buttler.

Hope you can digest my hash "expert analysis"

Very nice read, informative as always, you hit the nail on the head.

 

[giri26]

JB is a methodical product of Indian domestic cricket - I understand you haven't checked his domestic stats. He is bowling brilliantly now and everyone relates it to be IPL product, which is not. Here is the details -

He started FC career OCT 2013, a cool 4+ years before his Test debut on JAN 2018. He has 138 wickets in 36 FC games at 24 average, which is brilliant in Indian domestic standard. Since his Test debut, he has played 10 Tests for 49 wickets and probably at most 1-3 additional FC games - so before his Test debut, he had like 23-25 FC games with 80+ wickets in 4 years. His FC career started with a bang - 7 wickets for 89.

He debuted in ODI on JAN 2016, in AUS tour when IND was rebuilding for next WC ... a cool 29 months later his List A Debut. He has 130 List A wickets in 69 games at 19, net off his ODI (78 of 44 games), it's like 52 wickets in 25 games - that's more than 2 wickets/game at 17 or so .... and he played most of these games between 2013-2016.

He debuted in T20 in MAR 2013, 3 years before T20I debut - his T20 stats are relatively poor 152 wickets at 23 from 131 games at 7.2 economy - his T20I stats are actually better than T20 stats.

These information gives 4 clues -

1. He is completely a domestic FC/List A cricket product - his IPL records are nothing significant, in fact poor than his T20I stats

2. BCCI selectors do identify talent and know how to phase out sell by oldies - 2/3 years of Domestic cricket should be enough baptism for a quality player to move to higher level at the right age - that's International debut by U23 - before Bumrah, it was Iyer, KL Rahul and after Bumrah it's Kuldeep, Pant. For PCB that filter is 10 years & official age of may be 29, sometimes like 32 - like this lefti guy Waqas recently debuting

3. IPL is far superior compered to this farce of T20I, where apart from PAK none plays full squad, hence Bumrah's T20I stats are poorer than T20 after significant games (his Test stats are statistical anomaly - built on 10 Tests in SAF, ENG & AUS on low scoring pacers' tracks - it'll get normalized after couple of years).

4. PLs & SLs are rubbish - only incompetent fools will use that as a selection tool. Latest example is Imrul Kayes - he is going to lead CV in this years BPL Final and despite massive ZIM bashing, he has missed out NZ tour ...... something (both) has made Asif Ali almost Josh Buttler.

Hope you can digest my hash "expert analysis"

Good post. Informative as usual. Players who play in the Indian Test/ODI sides are product of the system. Everyone plays FC/List A impresses there to even get selected in the IPL. IPL only shows their talent to the world but their ability is known within the Indian domestic circles already before they make it there. For example Rishabh Pant is not in the Indian Test team because of his IPL 2018 exploits, he is there because of his 2440 FC runs at 53.04 in FC.

 

[MMHS]

Good post. Informative as usual. Players who play in the Indian Test/ODI sides are product of the system. Everyone plays FC/List A impresses there to even get selected in the IPL. IPL only shows their talent to the world but their ability is known within the Indian domestic circles already before they make it there. For example Rishabh Pant is not in the Indian Test team because of his IPL 2018 exploits, he is there because of his 2440 FC runs at 53.04 in FC.

If IPL was the primary scouting tool, by now Sanju Samson, Utthapa, Sandeep Sharma, Unadkat and few others would have got longer Indian career.

 

[Titan24]

JB is a methodical product of Indian domestic cricket - I understand you haven't checked his domestic stats. He is bowling brilliantly now and everyone relates it to be IPL product, which is not. Here is the details -

He started FC career OCT 2013, a cool 4+ years before his Test debut on JAN 2018. He has 138 wickets in 36 FC games at 24 average, which is brilliant in Indian domestic standard. Since his Test debut, he has played 10 Tests for 49 wickets and probably at most 1-3 additional FC games - so before his Test debut, he had like 23-25 FC games with 80+ wickets in 4 years. His FC career started with a bang - 7 wickets for 89.

He debuted in ODI on JAN 2016, in AUS tour when IND was rebuilding for next WC ... a cool 29 months later his List A Debut. He has 130 List A wickets in 69 games at 19, net off his ODI (78 of 44 games), it's like 52 wickets in 25 games - that's more than 2 wickets/game at 17 or so .... and he played most of these games between 2013-2016.

He debuted in T20 in MAR 2013, 3 years before T20I debut - his T20 stats are relatively poor 152 wickets at 23 from 131 games at 7.2 economy - his T20I stats are actually better than T20 stats.

These information gives 4 clues -

1. He is completely a domestic FC/List A cricket product - his IPL records are nothing significant, in fact poor than his T20I stats

2. BCCI selectors do identify talent and know how to phase out sell by oldies - 2/3 years of Domestic cricket should be enough baptism for a quality player to move to higher level at the right age - that's International debut by U23 - before Bumrah, it was Iyer, KL Rahul and after Bumrah it's Kuldeep, Pant. For PCB that filter is 10 years & official age of may be 29, sometimes like 32 - like this lefti guy Waqas recently debuting

3. IPL is far superior compered to this farce of T20I, where apart from PAK none plays full squad, hence Bumrah's T20I stats are poorer than T20 after significant games (his Test stats are statistical anomaly - built on 10 Tests in SAF, ENG & AUS on low scoring pacers' tracks - it'll get normalized after couple of years).

4. PLs & SLs are rubbish - only incompetent fools will use that as a selection tool. Latest example is Imrul Kayes - he is going to lead CV in this years BPL Final and despite massive ZIM bashing, he has missed out NZ tour ...... something (both) has made Asif Ali almost Josh Buttler.

Hope you can digest my hash "expert analysis"

Stats are bit inflated as you have included the test match stats as well. 80+ wickets in 23-25 matches with average of around 28 when we exclude test matches is nowhere near outstanding.

Do you really believe he would still have been selected in Indian cricket team if it wasnt for IPL? He was selected mainly as a limited over bowler and later promoted to test cricket.

Even Hassan Ali played 28 first class matches for around 120 odd wickets with avg of 25-26, he also only got selected due to PSL.

What about Kuldeep Yadav? Was he consistently taking highest number of wickets in Ranjhi trophy before he got selected for India?

Someone (Supposedly fool as per your comments) also picked Shaheen Shah who has played 1 first class match and it doesnt look like he is being massacred at international level.

Surely it shouldnt be the only criteria but we cant deny when it worked as a criteria in selection of some players and it turned out to be a successful in some cases as well.

 

[rhony]

Stats are bit inflated as you have included the test match stats as well. 80+ wickets in 23-25 matches with average of around 28 when we exclude test matches is nowhere near outstanding.

Do you really believe he would still have been selected in Indian cricket team if it wasnt for IPL? He was selected mainly as a limited over bowler and later promoted to test cricket.

Even Hassan Ali played 28 first class matches for around 120 odd wickets with avg of 25-26, he also only got selected due to PSL.

What about Kuldeep Yadav? Was he consistently taking highest number of wickets in Ranjhi trophy before he got selected for India?

Someone (Supposedly fool as per your comments) also picked Shaheen Shah who has played 1 first class match and it doesnt look like he is being massacred at international level.

Surely it shouldnt be the only criteria but we cant deny when it worked as a criteria in selection of some players and it turned out to be a successful in some cases as well.

IPL acts as the litmus test to check if some one can handle the pressure. No matter how good one is in domestic cricket, unless they perform in IPL, they aren't getting into Indian LOI teams.

 

[saeedhk]

Yes. Cuz we will find another Talat and Asif this season. And Hasan Ali will find form and then get thrashed in international matches.

 

[ARK Rafay]

PSL wasn't suppose to provide Test match Cricketers. Selectors are to blame. Because of this now players in domestic who score 500 - 800 + Runs are not selected and given chance.

 

[greatest]

PSL wasn't suppose to provide Test match Cricketers. Selectors are to blame. Because of this now players in domestic who score 500 - 800 + Runs are not selected and given chance.

Before PSL we were number 1 in Tests (just for a short while and were unbeatable in the U.A.E) Since the PSL circus started now we are at the bottom.
I read in Shaharyar Khan's book that he opposed the PSL because the damage it will do to our cricket. According to him it was Najam Seth who was strongly in favour of staging this circus. Once the PSL got the green signal Shaharyar Khan said goodbye to PCB.

That's what happens when you appoint a person like Sethi who has no knowledge of the history or traditions of the game.

I know that like all T20 leagues PSL had to exists but the hype for it and the tall claims that it will strengthen Pakistani cricket is ridiculous.

 

[greatest]

People getting crazy over the PSL just shows how powerful the media is in manipulating and fooling the public.

 

[greatest]

It's too late now to discard the PSL. BTW, even our PM is not a fan of this circus or T20 cricket.

 

[shokz1408]

It will be nice to watch pakistan win every day.

 

[barah_admi]

JB is a methodical product of Indian domestic cricket - I understand you haven't checked his domestic stats. He is bowling brilliantly now and everyone relates it to be IPL product, which is not. Here is the details -

He started FC career OCT 2013, a cool 4+ years before his Test debut on JAN 2018. He has 138 wickets in 36 FC games at 24 average, which is brilliant in Indian domestic standard. Since his Test debut, he has played 10 Tests for 49 wickets and probably at most 1-3 additional FC games - so before his Test debut, he had like 23-25 FC games with 80+ wickets in 4 years. His FC career started with a bang - 7 wickets for 89.

He debuted in ODI on JAN 2016, in AUS tour when IND was rebuilding for next WC ... a cool 29 months later his List A Debut. He has 130 List A wickets in 69 games at 19, net off his ODI (78 of 44 games), it's like 52 wickets in 25 games - that's more than 2 wickets/game at 17 or so .... and he played most of these games between 2013-2016.

He debuted in T20 in MAR 2013, 3 years before T20I debut - his T20 stats are relatively poor 152 wickets at 23 from 131 games at 7.2 economy - his T20I stats are actually better than T20 stats.

These information gives 4 clues -

1. He is completely a domestic FC/List A cricket product - his IPL records are nothing significant, in fact poor than his T20I stats

2. BCCI selectors do identify talent and know how to phase out sell by oldies - 2/3 years of Domestic cricket should be enough baptism for a quality player to move to higher level at the right age - that's International debut by U23 - before Bumrah, it was Iyer, KL Rahul and after Bumrah it's Kuldeep, Pant. For PCB that filter is 10 years & official age of may be 29, sometimes like 32 - like this lefti guy Waqas recently debuting

3. IPL is far superior compered to this farce of T20I, where apart from PAK none plays full squad, hence Bumrah's T20I stats are poorer than T20 after significant games (his Test stats are statistical anomaly - built on 10 Tests in SAF, ENG & AUS on low scoring pacers' tracks - it'll get normalized after couple of years).

4. PLs & SLs are rubbish - only incompetent fools will use that as a selection tool. Latest example is Imrul Kayes - he is going to lead CV in this years BPL Final and despite massive ZIM bashing, he has missed out NZ tour ...... something (both) has made Asif Ali almost Josh Buttler.

Hope you can digest my hash "expert analysis"

You might want to stop this nonsense about full strength squads. India played a full strength squad just now, nz and England do it all the time. Get over it.

If you want to criticise, at least do it factually and honestly.

 

[barah_admi]

Back on topic, there should be no blaming the psl. It provides a huge financial and or boon for the pcb and Pakistan cricket in general, plus we as fans all love to watch it.

We also have to be realistic. Pakistan are about three test series removed from losing misbah and younis. Asad and Ali may be on their last legs also but the bowling unit still looks exceptional yet is so inexperienced. Imagine in a few years.

The batting needs a lot of work but selection will eventual sort itself out and young guys, with good performances in the domestic long game will find a way through. It all takes time.

The limited overs leg of the tour was very close throughout and easily could have gone the other way. Talents like a bar, shadab, talat, imam and Co all performed well. Heck, we may have the best teenager in world cricket.

Stop wrist slitting and start watching the game.

 

[PakPremi]

You might want to stop this nonsense about full strength squads. India played a full strength squad just now, nz and England do it all the time. Get over it.

If you want to criticise, at least do it factually and honestly.

Exactly what I think when I read various threads claiming only Pak play their regular internationals.
Pak have given opportunity to lots of newbies in T20s, and likes of Hafeez and Malik are no longer test players, and in Hafeez case he has been in and out of even in all formats. Our test specialists like Yasir, Asad, Azhar, Imam do not play T20s. Other team also play lots of their regular international players, when in some cases they have much bigger pool than Pak. Otherwise you would not see grandpa like Dhoni playing T20s.

 

[PakPremi]

Back on topic, there should be no blaming the psl. It provides a huge financial and or boon for the pcb and Pakistan cricket in general, plus we as fans all love to watch it.

We also have to be realistic. Pakistan are about three test series removed from losing misbah and younis. Asad and Ali may be on their last legs also but the bowling unit still looks exceptional yet is so inexperienced. Imagine in a few years.

The batting needs a lot of work but selection will eventual sort itself out and young guys, with good performances in the domestic long game will find a way through. It all takes time.

The limited overs leg of the tour was very close throughout and easily could have gone the other way. Talents like a bar, shadab, talat, imam and Co all performed well. Heck, we may have the best teenager in world cricket.

Stop wrist slitting and start watching the game.

Agree again and lol at those criticising Talat on basis of few T20s evwn though he scored handsomely for a young newbie.

 

[MMHS]

You might want to stop this nonsense about full strength squads. India played a full strength squad just now, nz and England do it all the time. Get over it.

If you want to criticise, at least do it factually and honestly.

The last T20 that India played, lineup was
*Sharma
Dhawan
Vijay Shankar
Pant
MSD+
Kartik
Pandeya
Pandeya
BK
Chahal
Khaleel

Don’t you think it’s a bit nonsense of yours to say that this is their full strength squad and be honest with yourself? At least you didn’t mention SAF in that list.

 

[MMHS]

Exactly what I think when I read various threads claiming only Pak play their regular internationals.
Pak have given opportunity to lots of newbies in T20s, and likes of Hafeez and Malik are no longer test players, and in Hafeez case he has been in and out of even in all formats. Our test specialists like Yasir, Asad, Azhar, Imam do not play T20s. Other team also play lots of their regular international players, when in some cases they have much bigger pool than Pak. Otherwise you would not see grandpa like Dhoni playing T20s.

You didn’t answer me in the other thread - I am copying in part of that here; let’s discuss, if you wish.

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Regarding the player rotation, being PAK fan it touches you more understandably - PAK's T20I ranking is getting badly exposed here. No, it's not about younger player or senior player - IT'S ABOUT playing your possible best XI. Today, SAF is playing 30 years old Junior Dala, resting 24 years old Rabada - probably you got the clue. Also, main Indian bowlers don't play much T20s not because they are not good at, rather they are kept fresh of other formats & IPL - Kohli has played probably less than 50% of India's T20Is, probably not that he is poor is the reason and had Sharma not been deputy, he would have been also poor in T20I by that logic - i.e. not good enough to play every T20I. Kuldeep is not in this series because IND decided to keep his secret intact. Amair has carried drinks in 1st 2 T20s (& in ODIs as well) in an active series and now playing in dead rubber (& Shaeen as well ), because PAK tank didn't think Amir to be good enough, rather than resting him - otherwise he would have been sent home to rest before PSL or would have played in 2nd T20I at least.
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[MMHS]

Stats are bit inflated as you have included the test match stats as well. 80+ wickets in 23-25 matches with average of around 28 when we exclude test matches is nowhere near outstanding.

Do you really believe he would still have been selected in Indian cricket team if it wasnt for IPL? He was selected mainly as a limited over bowler and later promoted to test cricket.

Even Hassan Ali played 28 first class matches for around 120 odd wickets with avg of 25-26, he also only got selected due to PSL.

What about Kuldeep Yadav? Was he consistently taking highest number of wickets in Ranjhi trophy before he got selected for India?

Someone (Supposedly fool as per your comments) also picked Shaheen Shah who has played 1 first class match and it doesnt look like he is being massacred at international level.

Surely it shouldnt be the only criteria but we cant deny when it worked as a criteria in selection of some players and it turned out to be a successful in some cases as well.

JB’s FC average was 25.34 excluding Tests, which is great for an Indian domestic pacer, because for Gujarat, he had played most of these games in Ranji elite league.

Shaheen wasn’t picked for 1 FC game, rather for PSL again. In last 3 years only young player picked outside PSL is Imam.....

 

[shariqnoor]

Have no problems with the PSL per se. However the timing of it is absolutely horrible.

SA, Australia and NZ all play their summer cricket in Dec and Jan. So whenever Pakistan returns from these tours a beaten animal, the PSL is only 2 weeks away and all of the focus shifts towards PSL with no repercussions on the disastrous tour that just happened. No reflections are made and like the OP said, all is forgotten. If Sarfraz hadn't been banned and there was no PSL to look forward to, the pressure would've been cranked up on Sarfraz and that would've forced some reflection.

PCB needs to shift the PSL from Feb to maybe October. It's hot but most of the matches are D/N anyways. It's not a big deal.

 

[Cric_lover4487]

I fear that PSL will ruin Shaheen Afridi, just like Amir.

 

[hadi123]

I don't have much faith in the PSL providing Pakistan with international class players.

Watch it as a bit of fun like other T20 leagues but don't take performances too seriously.

On paper it could provide us with international class players, but I can guarantee you that the top performers will either be overseas players, players who are already in the Pakistan team or players who have been international TTF's such as Kamran Akmal, Mohammad Sami. At best, 1 or 2 young players may make a name for themselves.

 

[Titan24]

JB’s FC average was 25.34 excluding Tests, which is great for an Indian domestic pacer, because for Gujarat, he had played most of these games in Ranji elite league.

Shaheen wasn’t picked for 1 FC game, rather for PSL again. In last 3 years only young player picked outside PSL is Imam.....

There were many other with better average than Bumrah at FC level and you didn’t answer would he have been selected if it wasnt for IPL?

Also you skipped Kuldeep.

Question is Shaheen was selected bcz of PSL and has been performing well so will we be considering his selection poor on not?

I dont mind selecting player for anywhere as far as the decision turns out to be a success.

 

[Titan24]

Before PSL we were number 1 in Tests (just for a short while and were unbeatable in the U.A.E) Since the PSL circus started now we are at the bottom.
I read in Shaharyar Khan's book that he opposed the PSL because the damage it will do to our cricket. According to him it was Najam Seth who was strongly in favour of staging this circus. Once the PSL got the green signal Shaharyar Khan said goodbye to PCB.

That's what happens when you appoint a person like Sethi who has no knowledge of the history or traditions of the game.

I know that like all T20 leagues PSL had to exists but the hype for it and the tall claims that it will strengthen Pakistani cricket is ridiculous.

Difference is absence of Misbah and younus in terms of both leadership and batting.

They were the key parts of the team, decline of Azhar and Asad didnt help either.

PSL has no role in that. Test team will improve in an year or so with more experience.

 

[Titan24]

IPL acts as the litmus test to check if some one can handle the pressure. No matter how good one is in domestic cricket, unless they perform in IPL, they aren't getting into Indian LOI teams.

Exactly my point.

 

[PakPremi]

You didn’t answer me in the other thread - I am copying in part of that here; let’s discuss, if you wish.

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Regarding the player rotation, being PAK fan it touches you more understandably - PAK's T20I ranking is getting badly exposed here. No, it's not about younger player or senior player - IT'S ABOUT playing your possible best XI. Today, SAF is playing 30 years old Junior Dala, resting 24 years old Rabada - probably you got the clue. Also, main Indian bowlers don't play much T20s not because they are not good at, rather they are kept fresh of other formats & IPL - Kohli has played probably less than 50% of India's T20Is, probably not that he is poor is the reason and had Sharma not been deputy, he would have been also poor in T20I by that logic - i.e. not good enough to play every T20I. Kuldeep is not in this series because IND decided to keep his secret intact. Amair has carried drinks in 1st 2 T20s (& in ODIs as well) in an active series and now playing in dead rubber (& Shaeen as well ), because PAK tank didn't think Amir to be good enough, rather than resting him - otherwise he would have been sent home to rest before PSL or would have played in 2nd T20I at least.
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All I am saying it's a myth that other countries are playing players in their nappies in T20I as they do not take them seriously. Surely playing Dhoni, Karthik, Dhawan, B Kumar, Chahal arc in one team is not really testing your upcoming talent much is it? What more they need to learn and experience, they are played because India wants to win the T20s. Of course they give tests and ODIs more preference hence they rest some players for T20s, and they can afford to do so as their pool of talent is better than Pak. That too due to our mis management and questionable selections for squads.

 

[Hyperion66]

You didn’t answer me in the other thread - I am copying in part of that here; let’s discuss, if you wish.

———————————————————
Regarding the player rotation, being PAK fan it touches you more understandably - PAK's T20I ranking is getting badly exposed here. No, it's not about younger player or senior player - IT'S ABOUT playing your possible best XI. Today, SAF is playing 30 years old Junior Dala, resting 24 years old Rabada - probably you got the clue. Also, main Indian bowlers don't play much T20s not because they are not good at, rather they are kept fresh of other formats & IPL - Kohli has played probably less than 50% of India's T20Is, probably not that he is poor is the reason and had Sharma not been deputy, he would have been also poor in T20I by that logic - i.e. not good enough to play every T20I. Kuldeep is not in this series because IND decided to keep his secret intact. Amair has carried drinks in 1st 2 T20s (& in ODIs as well) in an active series and now playing in dead rubber (& Shaeen as well ), because PAK tank didn't think Amir to be good enough, rather than resting him - otherwise he would have been sent home to rest before PSL or would have played in 2nd T20I at least.
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You are wasting your time and energy sirji, they know and understand everything, just won't admit. India resting Kohli, JB, Shami, Kuli against NZ while they go full strength against Zim B side, the picture can't get any clearer than this.

 

[Hyperion66]

IPL acts as the litmus test to check if some one can handle the pressure. No matter how good one is in domestic cricket, unless they perform in IPL, they aren't getting into Indian LOI teams.

Pardon my lack of knowledge on this since I do not closely follow IPL, but what exactly Khalil, Shankar, Siraj and Jadhav did in IPL ?kindly refer me to their match winning performances in IPL.

 

[rhony]

Pardon my lack of knowledge on this since I do not closely follow IPL, but what exactly Khalil, Shankar, Siraj and Jadhav did in IPL ?kindly refer me to their match winning performances in IPL.

Add Shubman Gill to the list. And there is a reason none of them will be part of the WC 11.

Khalil, Gill- U-19 performances. They are in the team now as fillers. And it proves my point that they should have played in IPL to prove they dont wilt under pressure. Khalil is downright useless at this point. His pedigree is that he's a lefty and thats it. Gill looked ordinary with a lot of technical issues and wasn't even in contention until Rahul was dropped.

Shankar- The only reason he was in the team is because of Pandya's absence. He was played in NZ because he just had an A tour in NZ. Ordinary in IPL but being picked because of "All rounder". 125 thunderbolts are insulting for the word "All rounder".

Siraj- Failure in T20Is, Failure in IPL. In the team because of Indian bowling coach's recommendation. The guy was a bowling coach for Hyderabad where Siraj played. ALso in the team because of Chairman of Selectors who is from the same state. Recommendation candidate and will be discarded.

Jadhav- He shouldnt even be in this list. He already proved his utility in IPL and International games.

 

[dragon751]

Add Shubman Gill to the list. And there is a reason none of them will be part of the WC 11.

Khalil, Gill- U-19 performances. They are in the team now as fillers. And it proves my point that they should have played in IPL to prove they dont wilt under pressure. Khalil is downright useless at this point. His pedigree is that he's a lefty and thats it. Gill looked ordinary with a lot of technical issues and wasn't even in contention until Rahul was dropped.

Shankar- The only reason he was in the team is because of Pandya's absence. He was played in NZ because he just had an A tour in NZ. Ordinary in IPL but being picked because of "All rounder". 125 thunderbolts are insulting for the word "All rounder".

Siraj- Failure in T20Is, Failure in IPL. In the team because of Indian bowling coach's recommendation. The guy was a bowling coach for Hyderabad where Siraj played. ALso in the team because of Chairman of Selectors who is from the same state. Recommendation candidate and will be discarded.

Jadhav- He shouldnt even be in this list. He already proved his utility in IPL and International games.

btw, check out gill's stats in FC ( spoiler... his average is 100 in FC)and ipl, he certainly does not belong to this list....... i believe him to be more talented than shaw and will have a very good test career going forward

 

[JaDed]

I guess people are underestimating the importance of PSL. In just 3 editions it has given Shadab Khan, Fakhar Zaman, Shaheen Shah, Hassan Ali etc

Took IPL almost a decade for the impact you guys are seeing now in Kuldeep and Bumrah. Are they Ranjhi trophy products? No.

Shaheen or Shadab would never have been selected at this young age if it wasnt for PSL.

It filters the talent, if we groom it not that is another matter.

Bumrah or Kuldeep Yadav were never top wicket takers in List A or FC and they were selected on purely the skills they showed in the IPL.

India groomed them well and now they are really good bowlers in formats which they werent supposed to be part of.

Shaheen didn't come out of PSL, he was already a big deal.in U-19..

 

[Titan24]

Shaheen didn't come out of PSL, he was already a big deal.in U-19..

You are right, however, I never said that PSL or IPL or any other league can produce players. They can filter out the players who were already produced from domestics or U19.

Production of the players will always be from club, regional, U 19 and domestics.

 

[Hyperion66]

Add Shubman Gill to the list. And there is a reason none of them will be part of the WC 11.

Khalil, Gill- U-19 performances. They are in the team now as fillers. And it proves my point that they should have played in IPL to prove they dont wilt under pressure. Khalil is downright useless at this point. His pedigree is that he's a lefty and thats it. Gill looked ordinary with a lot of technical issues and wasn't even in contention until Rahul was dropped.

Shankar- The only reason he was in the team is because of Pandya's absence. He was played in NZ because he just had an A tour in NZ. Ordinary in IPL but being picked because of "All rounder". 125 thunderbolts are insulting for the word "All rounder".

Siraj- Failure in T20Is, Failure in IPL. In the team because of Indian bowling coach's recommendation. The guy was a bowling coach for Hyderabad where Siraj played. ALso in the team because of Chairman of Selectors who is from the same state. Recommendation candidate and will be discarded.

Jadhav- He shouldnt even be in this list. He already proved his utility in IPL and International games.

Not disagreeing with any of that, just that you mentioned LOI and didn't specify WC in the post that I quoted.

 

[barah_admi]

The last T20 that India played, lineup was
*Sharma
Dhawan
Vijay Shankar
Pant
MSD+
Kartik
Pandeya
Pandeya
BK
Chahal
Khaleel

Don’t you think it’s a bit nonsense of yours to say that this is their full strength squad and be honest with yourself? At least you didn’t mention SAF in that list.

Sharma, Dhawan, Dhoni, Chahal, Pandya, Kumar .....

 

[Savak]

As it should, have to put the past behind and look forward. All teams do it.

 

[topspin]

Shaheen didn't come out of PSL, he was already a big deal.in U-19..

No doubt he was Pakistan's best player and the top bowler in the U19 WC however what clinched his call-up to the LOI sides were his PSL performances. His 5 wickets for 4 runs in one of the matches signalled his class and calibre as an international player in limited overs cricket at the time.

He then excelled in the last FC season highlighted by his career best figures in red ball cricket taking 8/39 and bowled very well with the white ball in LOIs during the second half of 2018 which paved way for his test debut.

This shows his performances at U19 level were not suffice especially when you consider his failure in the final against the best batting side however since then he has made leaps and bounds as a bowler who has not only cemented a place but become Pakistan's premier bowler in all formats of the game.

 

[rhony]

btw, check out gill's stats in FC ( spoiler... his average is 100 in FC)and ipl, he certainly does not belong to this list....... i believe him to be more talented than shaw and will have a very good test career going forward

I saw his innings on hotstar. He played well. But I stand by what I saw in NZ. Pitches are different and bwling is not comparable to FC. Gill wasn't successful on A tours as you would have liked. Check those stats. It was one of those gambles that Indians took to see if he can replace Rahul or Rayudu and it didn't come off.

 

[rhony]

Sharma, Dhawan, Dhoni, Chahal, Pandya, Kumar .....

Cricket is played by 11 players

 

[barah_admi]

Cricket is played by 11 players

Ok, let's do that then.

India, in their last T20 international played a team with combined experience of 390 t20 internationals.

Pakistan, in their last completed t20, played a combined XI with 357 T20 internationals.

I repeat, according to people like you, I thought only Pakistan and minnows took T20s seriously?

 

[BaankeJi]

JB is a methodical product of Indian domestic cricket - I understand you haven't checked his domestic stats. He is bowling brilliantly now and everyone relates it to be IPL product, which is not. Here is the details -

He started FC career OCT 2013, a cool 4+ years before his Test debut on JAN 2018. He has 138 wickets in 36 FC games at 24 average, which is brilliant in Indian domestic standard. Since his Test debut, he has played 10 Tests for 49 wickets and probably at most 1-3 additional FC games - so before his Test debut, he had like 23-25 FC games with 80+ wickets in 4 years. His FC career started with a bang - 7 wickets for 89.

He debuted in ODI on JAN 2016, in AUS tour when IND was rebuilding for next WC ... a cool 29 months later his List A Debut. He has 130 List A wickets in 69 games at 19, net off his ODI (78 of 44 games), it's like 52 wickets in 25 games - that's more than 2 wickets/game at 17 or so .... and he played most of these games between 2013-2016.

He debuted in T20 in MAR 2013, 3 years before T20I debut - his T20 stats are relatively poor 152 wickets at 23 from 131 games at 7.2 economy - his T20I stats are actually better than T20 stats.

These information gives 4 clues -

1. He is completely a domestic FC/List A cricket product - his IPL records are nothing significant, in fact poor than his T20I stats

2. BCCI selectors do identify talent and know how to phase out sell by oldies - 2/3 years of Domestic cricket should be enough baptism for a quality player to move to higher level at the right age - that's International debut by U23 - before Bumrah, it was Iyer, KL Rahul and after Bumrah it's Kuldeep, Pant. For PCB that filter is 10 years & official age of may be 29, sometimes like 32 - like this lefti guy Waqas recently debuting

3. IPL is far superior compered to this farce of T20I, where apart from PAK none plays full squad, hence Bumrah's T20I stats are poorer than T20 after significant games (his Test stats are statistical anomaly - built on 10 Tests in SAF, ENG & AUS on low scoring pacers' tracks - it'll get normalized after couple of years).

4. PLs & SLs are rubbish - only incompetent fools will use that as a selection tool. Latest example is Imrul Kayes - he is going to lead CV in this years BPL Final and despite massive ZIM bashing, he has missed out NZ tour ...... something (both) has made Asif Ali almost Josh Buttler.

Hope you can digest my hash "expert analysis"

Good post.
Isn't there a typo in point 3. above? It should say his T20 stats are poorer than his T20I stats?

 

[dragon751]

I saw his innings on hotstar. He played well. But I stand by what I saw in NZ. Pitches are different and bwling is not comparable to FC. Gill wasn't successful on A tours as you would have liked. Check those stats. It was one of those gambles that Indians took to see if he can replace Rahul or Rayudu and it didn't come off.

true, was just saying he does not belong on the list that you made of the others

 

[rhony]

Ok, let's do that then.

India, in their last T20 international played a team with combined experience of 390 t20 internationals.

Pakistan, in their last completed t20, played a combined XI with 357 T20 internationals.

I repeat, according to people like you, I thought only Pakistan and minnows took T20s seriously?

That's because Pakistan played a bunch of duds in their earlier T20s and discarded them. The new players are permamant replacements and not temporary as in India's case.However, India's T20 players have remained in the team for years. The missing T20 players in Pak team are because they ain't good enough to be in the team. The missing T20 players in Indian team are because they are usually rested.

 

[Greenstorm]

I fear that PSL will ruin Shaheen Afridi, just like Amir.

Yes, he needs rest. Amir, Hassan, Shadab and Shaheen should not have played this tournament.

 

[barah_admi]

That's because Pakistan played a bunch of duds in their earlier T20s and discarded them. The new players are permamant replacements and not temporary as in India's case.However, India's T20 players have remained in the team for years. The missing T20 players in Pak team are because they ain't good enough to be in the team. The missing T20 players in Indian team are because they are usually rested.

This makes no sense what so ever.

 

[MMHS]

Good post.
Isn't there a typo in point 3. above? It should say his T20 stats are poorer than his T20I stats?

T20 is every T20 game under ICC or respective Boards, including some U23 or emerging games - it's like List A or FC cricket includes ODI & Test as well.

T20I is the International version where now MashAllah 105 teams are eligible and apart from World/Asia Cups, often teams send Jason Mo style teams to fulfill the commitment, and some host team (s) rest their captain even when the series is active.

JB's T20I stats are: average 20.47; economy 6.77 for 48 wickets
T20 stats are 22.87 and 7.17, for 152 wickets.

If I take out his T20Is from his T20 stats it'll stand around average of 24 at an economy of 7.35 - this includes some Domestics (Non IPL) T20 as well, which I can't separate without details.

Roughly, my hunch is his IPL stats will be somewhere 26/8.00 (because he must be damn good in non IPL domestics) - that's a cool 25% inferior to International T20s ......

And, I am definitely sure that BCCI selectors haven't picked a fast bowler from 26/8.00 IPL stats, who is genuine JACK with bat and Captain needs to hide him in fielding.

 

[BaankeJi]

T20 is every T20 game under ICC or respective Boards, including some U23 or emerging games - it's like List A or FC cricket includes ODI & Test as well.

T20I is the International version where now MashAllah 105 teams are eligible and apart from World/Asia Cups, often teams send Jason Mo style teams to fulfill the commitment, and some host team (s) rest their captain even when the series is active.

JB's T20I stats are: average 20.47; economy 6.77 for 48 wickets
T20 stats are 22.87 and 7.17, for 152 wickets.

If I take out his T20Is from his T20 stats it'll stand around average of 24 at an economy of 7.35 - this includes some Domestics (Non IPL) T20 as well, which I can't separate without details.

Roughly, my hunch is his IPL stats will be somewhere 26/8.00 (because he must be damn good in non IPL domestics) - that's a cool 25% inferior to International T20s ......

And, I am definitely sure that BCCI selectors haven't picked a fast bowler from 26/8.00 IPL stats, who is genuine JACK with bat and Captain needs to hide him in fielding.

Thanks for clarifying. You the man.

 

[PakPremi]

Ok, let's do that then.

India, in their last T20 international played a team with combined experience of 390 t20 internationals.

Pakistan, in their last completed t20, played a combined XI with 357 T20 internationals.

I repeat, according to people like you, I thought only Pakistan and minnows took T20s seriously?

Nailed it. I thought India use Tamasha T20s to test the youngsters.

 

[Ami]

I guess people are underestimating the importance of PSL. In just 3 editions it has given Shadab Khan, Fakhar Zaman, Shaheen Shah, Hassan Ali etc

Took IPL almost a decade for the impact you guys are seeing now in Kuldeep and Bumrah. Are they Ranjhi trophy products? No.

Shaheen or Shadab would never have been selected at this young age if it wasnt for PSL.

It filters the talent, if we groom it not that is another matter.

Bumrah or Kuldeep Yadav were never top wicket takers in List A or FC and they were selected on purely the skills they showed in the IPL.

India groomed them well and now they are really good bowlers in formats which they werent supposed to be part of.

Thank you...
With all its ills...facts are facts.

 

[Saj]

I'm just getting a bit tired of these flash in the pan players who can hit the occasional six, score a quick 20 runs and now and then take a couple of wickets - rather give me a batsman who can put a price on his wicket and bat 100 overs and win or draw a Test match for his country.

 

[barah_admi]

Nailed it. I thought India use Tamasha T20s to test the youngsters.

The way some of these posters were talking about Pakistan's XI was as if they were playing guys with 10 plus years of experience while other teams only fielded debutants. I just destroyed that myth in a single post but they still keep posting the same thing...this forum has such low quality day by day that it is becoming a spot to simply attack Pakistan cricket and the mods seem to be asleep at the wheels.

 

[Titan24]

I'm just getting a bit tired of these flash in the pan players who can hit the occasional six, score a quick 20 runs and now and then take a couple of wickets - rather give me a batsman who can put a price on his wicket and bat 100 overs and win or draw a Test match for his country.

Agreed, but the problem is that most of the top order players in PSL are either the same old local players or foreigners. Most of the top first class performers either dont get selected or dont get opportunities so what we are left with are the local lower middle order players which are not proper batsmen more often then not.

Funny thing is in 3 editions of PSL Sharjeel Khan, khalid Latif and Fakhar Zaman are only local players other than the old players who played in the top 3 and got proper opportunities and they all went on to play for Pakistan.

Not enough local talent are getting opportunities to play in the top 3,4.