Alleged Indian spy arrested from DG Khan

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Dera Ghazi Khan: Another India spy, identified as Raju Lakshman has been arrested from Rakhi Gaj, area of Dera Ghazi Khan, ARY News reported on Wednesday.

According to border forces, the arrested Indian citizen has been shifted to an undisclosed place for further investigation.

Pakistani security agencies on March 24, 2016, apprehended an ‘on-duty RAW agent’ from Balochistan. The suspect was said to be an officer of the Indian navy working for the covert agency to destabilize Pakistan.

The operative had contacts with banned organizations and was working on plans to break Karachi and Balochistan away from Pakistan and to sabotage the billion dollar China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) project.

Earlier on July 17, the International Court of Justice (ICJ), in its judgment announced not to acquit and release Indian serving Naval Commander Kulbhushan Jadhav.

The FO stated in its press release that ‘Pakistan, as a responsible member of the international community, upheld its commitment from the very beginning of the case by appearing before the honourable court for the provisional measures hearing despite very short notice. Having heard the judgment, Pakistan will now proceed as per law.

https://arynews.tv/en/alleged-indian-spy-arrested/

 

[Kianig89]

First let him wash his face with a good soap

 

[Major]

This has to be unbelievable.
Look at his face. You can clearly see hes an indian!!!!! WHo was RAW trying to fool?
Had he pretended to a begger in Multan would had made sense.

But a guy like him, that too in Balochistan .

 

[sweep_shot]

RAW sent in a dark-skinned guy as a spy in Balochistan. Big blunder. He looks 500% Indian.

 

[szundercover]

Lol what was raw thinking? Is isi stupid even a kid could have recognized him as an indian .LoL

 

[Swashbuckler]

Not talking about this case but doesn't Pakistan have dark skinned people? For instance a place like Karachi which saw immigration from UP/Bihar/Hyderabad/Bhatkal/Bengal/Bangladesh etc. Don't remember all details but I remember seeing a docu about an ethnic group in Pakistan (Makran coast?) with origin in Africa, Siddhi something. Forget average Indians, those people probably are as dark skinned as people from Tamil Nadu, Kerala, Andhra, basically South India and as an extension Sri Lanka.

 

[Kaptan]

Lol what was raw thinking? Is isi stupid even a kid could have recognized him as an indian .LoL

Many Pakistani players including your captain looks like an average person from Hindi belt (Bihar, Jharkhand, Bengal, UP, MP, Rajasthan). So don't act as if you have some European gene which makes you fairer than average Indians. LoL

 

[Pakistanian]

This has to be unbelievable.
Look at his face. You can clearly see hes an indian!!!!! WHo was RAW trying to fool?
Had he pretended to a begger in Multan would had made sense.

But a guy like him, that too in Balochistan .

I'm pretty sure that city is in Punjab but even then he would stand out.

 

[Pakistanian]

Many Pakistani players including your captain looks like an average person from Hindi belt (Bihar, Jharkhand, Bengal, UP, MP, Rajasthan). So don't act as if you have some European gene which makes you fairer than average Indians. LoL

There are exceptions everywhere but on average there is a difference.

 

[AdamM97]

Many Pakistani players including your captain looks like an average person from Hindi belt (Bihar, Jharkhand, Bengal, UP, MP, Rajasthan). So don't act as if you have some European gene which makes you fairer than average Indians. LoL

Sarfraz is a Muhajir whose ancestors probably migrated from UP.

 

[Pakistanian]

Not talking about this case but doesn't Pakistan have dark skinned people? For instance a place like Karachi which saw immigration from UP/Bihar/Hyderabad/Bhatkal/Bengal/Bangladesh etc. Don't remember all details but I remember seeing a docu about an ethnic group in Pakistan (Makran coast?) with origin in Africa, Siddhi something. Forget average Indians, those people probably are as dark skinned as people from Tamil Nadu, Kerala, Andhra, basically South India and as an extension Sri Lanka.

After looking at his picture, he does look like a Hindu Sindhi.

 

[Kaptan]

Sarfraz is a Muhajir whose ancestors probably migrated from UP.

Proves my point. One can't just see and tell if one is Indian or Pakistani.

 

[Pakistanian]

Proves my point. One can't just see and tell if one is Indian or Pakistani.

Most Pakistanis can but even if we can't discern from appearance we can tell from how they speak and their body language.

 

[Major]

Not talking about this case but doesn't Pakistan have dark skinned people? For instance a place like Karachi which saw immigration from UP/Bihar/Hyderabad/Bhatkal/Bengal/Bangladesh etc. Don't remember all details but I remember seeing a docu about an ethnic group in Pakistan (Makran coast?) with origin in Africa, Siddhi something. Forget average Indians, those people probably are as dark skinned as people from Tamil Nadu, Kerala, Andhra, basically South India and as an extension Sri Lanka.

There are dark skinned color people in Pakistan. Hyderabadi's have dark skin tone, and most Multani's who i have met also have dark skin aswell..

Karachi people i dont know, haven't met that many karachites, although i have family members. I would say they are more like Bengalis in skin tone.

But Balochistan is completely different. You wont see such skin tone color people over there. And the sensitive areas arn't even a tourist spot either.

The thing is, if you are dark skin and have a different dialect than you can be in trouble and be easily caught.
If you have a lighter skin tone and have different dialect, people wont care much about you

Its the way things are.

 

[Pakistanian]

There are dark skinned color people in Pakistan. Hyderabadi's have dark skin tone, and most Multani's who i have met also have dark skin aswell..

Karachi people i dont know, haven't met that many karachites, although i have family members. I would say they are more like Bengalis in skin tone.

But Balochistan is completely different. You wont see such skin tone color people over there. And the sensitive areas arn't even a tourist spot either.

The thing is, if you are dark skin and have a different dialect than you can be in trouble and be easily caught.
If you have a lighter skin tone and have different dialect, people wont care much about you

Its the way things are.

Dude this city is not in Balochistan, second of all y'all need to stop exotifying Baloch people cause there are many darkskinned ones. I don't want to post pictures.

 

[Major]

Proves my point. One can't just see and tell if one is Indian or Pakistani.

bro, for get Pakistan or Indian, one could easily tell from which province one belongs from.

if you are fair skin, you can easily labelled as a pathan from KPK. If you have a very rough manly looking face, you will baloch(thats how there outlook is).

Location matters.

Then the biggest give away is language. I once went to Mianwali, went to a shop to buy something. I only know urdu, cant talk in Punjabi. The shop keeper figured out easily that i was an outsider.

Urdu might be the national language, but punjabi is dominant in our province.

 

[Pakistanian]

bro, for get Pakistan or Indian, one could easily tell from which province one belongs from.

if you are fair skin, you can easily labelled as a pathan from KPK. If you have a very rough manly looking face, you will baloch(thats how there outlook is).

Location matters.

Then the biggest give away is language. I once went to Mianwali, went to a shop to buy something. I only know urdu, cant talk in Punjabi. The shop keeper figured out easily that i was an outsider.

Urdu might be the national language, but punjabi is dominant in our province.

Lol I've never heard of this "rough manly look" being associated with Baloch, I always thought it was associated with Punjabis cause of their rugged looks.

 

[Major]

Dude this city is not in Balochistan, second of all y'all need to stop exotifying Baloch people cause there are many darkskinned ones. I don't want to post pictures.

sorry you are right. its DG khan which is in Punjab.

But Balochi's can easily be recognized like pathans from KPK are.

 

[Kaptan]

There are exceptions everywhere but on average there is a difference.

I have never visited Pakistan but have watched many documentaries/videos of Pakistan. I can say that most Pakistanis look like Indians. Even in the current Pakistani cricket team, Fakkar, Babar, Haris Sohail, Sarfaraz, Amir, Wahab looks very much like someone from Bihar, UP, MP, Rajashtan. Whereas Imam, Shadab and the other all rounder (can't remember his name) looks pretty much like someone from Indian Punjab, Himachal, Delhi. Only Afridi has a very unique look.

 

[Pakistanian]

Some famous Baloch activists lol, unfortunately they don't fit your exotic image of them

In the Arabian peninsula there's a very big Baloch origin community especially in Oman and from what I've heard in Arab movies they usually get a 'Balooshi' to play the role of an Indian character.
[MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION]

 

[Pakistanian]

I have never visited Pakistan but have watched many documentaries/videos of Pakistan. I can say that most Pakistanis look like Indians. Even in the current Pakistani cricket team, Fakkar, Babar, Haris Sohail, Sarfaraz, Amir, Wahab looks very much like someone from Bihar, UP, MP, Rajashtan. Whereas Imam, Shadab and the other all rounder (can't remember his name) looks pretty much like someone from Indian Punjab, Himachal, Delhi. Only Afridi has a very unique look.

You live in India, I live in America so I see Indians and Pakistanis all the time. Wahab and the other players you mentioned may superficially pass in central India if we're being biased, otherwise they look Punjabi, I've seen indian players from those regions and they don't look too similar.

 

[Pakistanian]

sorry you are right. its DG khan which is in Punjab.

But Balochi's can easily be recognized like pathans from KPK are.

You usually can not lmaoo. Stop watching TV and meet actual people.

 

[Kaptan]

bro, for get Pakistan or Indian, one could easily tell from which province one belongs from.

if you are fair skin, you can easily labelled as a pathan from KPK. If you have a very rough manly looking face, you will baloch(thats how there outlook is).

Location matters.

Then the biggest give away is language. I once went to Mianwali, went to a shop to buy something. I only know urdu, cant talk in Punjabi. The shop keeper figured out easily that i was an outsider.

Urdu might be the national language, but punjabi is dominant in our province.

Bro, Language, accent and style of clothing are totally different things.

I am talking about looks. If I see a fairer looking man in Bihar should I automatically assume that this man must be a Pakistani ? No, he may be a Punjabi, Himachali or even a Bihari.

Similarly, someone having dark skin should not be automatically labelled as Indian. He may be a muhajir or someone from Karachi.

 

[Kaptan]

You live in India, I live in America so I see Indians and Pakistanis all the time. Wahab and the other players you mentioned may superficially pass in central India if we're being biased, otherwise they look Punjabi, I've seen indian players from those regions and they don't look too similar.

Actually Wahab and Mohd Shami look very similar to me. Maybe just maybe Wahab is a tone fairer but everything else is pretty much similar. Wahab is from Punjab whereas Shami is from West Bengal.

 

[Pakistanian]

Actually Wahab and Mohd Shami look very similar to me. Maybe just maybe Wahab is a tone fairer but everything else is pretty much similar. Wahab is from Punjab whereas Shami is from West Bengal.

except Wahab is like 6'2 and Shami isn't bengali (if wikipedia is correct).

 

[Roaring40s]

Clothes and some unique cultural habits give you up. Otherwise people from the subcontinent have had too much historical inter-mingling to be genetically very different to their counterparts from neighbouring areas.

There are some castes in India like Marathas who are non-homogeneous and have accepted other people into their fold historically, so they come in all colors and features. It is not uncommon to see very dark skinned Sri Lankan like people to very Punjabi looking people in a single family of Marathas or among first cousins. Occasional Kashmiri/Afghan features also show up. In their marriages or other ceremonies they tie their particular turbans to guests which are sometimes from other faraway states. After wearing that turban and Maratha style tilak everybody does look like them.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

Not talking about this case but doesn't Pakistan have dark skinned people? For instance a place like Karachi which saw immigration from UP/Bihar/Hyderabad/Bhatkal/Bengal/Bangladesh etc. Don't remember all details but I remember seeing a docu about an ethnic group in Pakistan (Makran coast?) with origin in Africa, Siddhi something. Forget average Indians, those people probably are as dark skinned as people from Tamil Nadu, Kerala, Andhra, basically South India and as an extension Sri Lanka.

Yes there are alot of dark skinned people in Pakistan. Basically in Punjabi/Sindhi/Urdu speaking ethnic groups you will have people of all shades. On one extreme they can be as dark as Tamil, and on the other extreme light as Iranians. Most people fall somewhere in between. Also on average people who are Pashtun and Baloch are lighter skin, there skin tone can also vary.

My family came from UP during partition, and we have a huge variety in skin tone, even though we are related.

 

[Syed1]

There are dark skinned color people in Pakistan. Hyderabadi's have dark skin tone, and most Multani's who i have met also have dark skin aswell..

Karachi people i dont know, haven't met that many karachites, although i have family members. I would say they are more like Bengalis in skin tone.

But Balochistan is completely different. You wont see such skin tone color people over there. And the sensitive areas arn't even a tourist spot either.

The thing is, if you are dark skin and have a different dialect than you can be in trouble and be easily caught.
If you have a lighter skin tone and have different dialect, people wont care much about you

Its the way things are.

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about think of yourself as an expert. Karachi has 20million+ people comprising of all races of Pakistan and even the wider subcontinental region.

These are a picture of a few famous Karachiites and tell me which ones look like how you described them:
ethnically Sindhi... Irfan Junejo

ethnically Urdu speaking... Junaid Akram

ethnically Pathan.... Anushae Khan



To your point of Baluchis being a certain color. Again you do not know anything. I have lived in Karachi for 2 decades, due to proximity to Baluchistan we had so many people from Makran coast in Karachi, they speak Baluchi, call themselves Baluchi, are from Baluchistan and look like this:

The Baluchis from Quetta region are lighter in color but are again classified as Baluchis because they speak the same language:

Moral of the story: don't act like an expert with limited knowledge.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

Bro, Language, accent and style of clothing are totally different things.

I am talking about looks. If I see a fairer looking man in Bihar should I automatically assume that this man must be a Pakistani ? No, he may be a Punjabi, Himachali or even a Bihari.

Similarly, someone having dark skin should not be automatically labelled as Indian. He may be a muhajir or someone from Karachi.

Unfortunately to many Pakistanis people from Pakistan or India who are light skin look "Pakistani", and dark skin people from Pakistan or India look "Indian".

This is why many people to this day are convinced that the Mumbai attack was done by Indians and not Pakistanis.

 

[Syed1]

Unfortunately to many Pakistanis people from Pakistan or India who are light skin look "Pakistani", and dark skin people from Pakistan or India look "Indian".

This is why many people to this day are convinced that the Mumbai attack was done by Indians and not Pakistanis.

Yeah lets ignore that fact that Ajmal Kasab was mixing "z" and "j" and was saying "ae Bhagwaan".... classic traits you find in alot of Pakistanis right?

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

Yeah lets ignore that fact that Ajmal Kasab was mixing "z" and "j" and was saying "ae Bhagwaan".... classic traits you find in alot of Pakistanis right?

Well i dont the case in full detail, but when it happened i heard so many people say that he looks Indian. That they could tell just by looking at him.

 

[Chasing_The_Dream]

Two Indian Spies Down - only a dozen more to go !!!! Good work and MABROOK Haqumat e Pakistan

 

[Swashbuckler]

After looking at his picture, he does look like a Hindu Sindhi.

From google search, I don't think he does. Unless he is a very low caste (maybe) or something. From the pictures you guys have shared there are many dark skinned people from Balochistan, the one Syed shared was the one I was talking about, the Siddhi/Siddi community from Makran coast with ancestry from Africa.

 

[big_gamer007]

Once any person is caught for being a spy, it should be easy for him to prove he is not a spy. If he is a Pakistani citizen he should have friends and family in Pakistan. Even if he does not have friends or family he will have people who knew him growing up who can collaborate his story.

In Ajmal's case, the evidence was there for all to see. He was a terrorist. Now for people who think he was an Indian citizen, there has not been even a single Indian who came forward and said he knew Ajmal. Anyone who believes he was not a Pakistani is deluded.

Regarding the OP, when more details come out we will find out whether he is a spy or not. Even the reports use the word "alleged" for now.

 

[boomboomcheema]

Proves my point. One can't just see and tell if one is Indian or Pakistani.

We can. Someone like Balaji can only be Indian, especially a South Indian

 

[troodon]

So black = Indian. Very racist.

Typical North Indian thinking that South Indians are all blackies.

While I agree that majority of Indians are black in color, there are about 10% of population who are light skinned too.

The guy in the op doesn’t look like an Indian. But you cannot go by skin color. There are dark skinned people in Pakistan too. Just go to YouTube and see some documentaries on Pakistan. There is a good chunk of black skin color in Pak too.

 

[amax]

So black = Indian. Very racist.

Typical North Indian thinking that South Indians are all blackies.

While I agree that majority of Indians are black in color, there are about 10% of population who are light skinned too.

The guy in the op doesn’t look like an Indian. But you cannot go by skin color. There are dark skinned people in Pakistan too. Just go to YouTube and see some documentaries on Pakistan. There is a good chunk of black skin color in Pak too.

Yes there are many dark skin people all over Pakistan ,some balochs can be quite dark as well ,I have read they have African admix but average Pashtun/Baloch/Gilgit Baltistani is lighter than average Punjabi/Sindhi.

 

[AdamM97]

Yes there are many dark skin people all over Pakistan ,some balochs can be quite dark as well ,I have read they have African admix but average Pashtun/Baloch/Gilgit Baltistani is lighter than average Punjabi/Sindhi.

The Brahuis of Balochistan are Dravidians hence the dark skin. I can imagine a lot of Baloch people have intermixed with the Brahuis.

Most Baloch people look very desi despite being Indo-Iranians.

 

[amax]

The Brahuis of Balochistan are Dravidians hence the dark skin. I can imagine a lot of Baloch people have intermixed with the Brahuis.

Most Baloch people look very desi despite being Indo-Iranians.

well desi is a very vague term , Baloch look most like their neighbours: Pashtuns, Punjabi/Seraikis and Sindhis . Lighter Balochs look like Pashtuns and darker ones like Sindhis.

 

[Syed1]

well desi is a very vague term , Baloch look most like their neighbours: Pashtuns, Punjabi/Seraikis and Sindhis . Lighter Balochs look like Pashtuns and darker ones like Sindhis.

There is wide spread in skin color but the features are similar. The current CM of Punjab is ethnically Baluch but his Buzdaar tribe has been living in Punjab for centuries.

 

[Realromeo]

Many Pakistani players including your captain looks like an average person from Hindi belt (Bihar, Jharkhand, Bengal, UP, MP, Rajasthan). So don't act as if you have some European gene which makes you fairer than average Indians. LoL

Not really, In Canada, 95% of the time I can differentiate between an India and a Pakistani. Some Hindu and Some Christian Pakistanis look south Indian ish but for the vast majority part it is so obvious lol.