"Amir knew about life, unfair to say we were responsible for him getting into spot fixing" : M Asif

[New Yorker]

doesn't mean u have to get paid to sell your country

you are helping outsider on back of ur team mates. .
a act could loose a match for your team which your team mates are working hard to win.
ur nation is supporting you to win match and you are helping others to cost match to country. that is selling your country too

No it still isnt selling. Because no money has been exchanged. You could say 'let down,' 'betray,'
'commit treason' cut it any which way you want. No need for exaggeration, it was plenty bad enough

 

[Idrees1990]

there is thing called "silence" in these kind of situations when he its getting tough for him to get elected.
when you are trying to get confidence back, you don't criticize everyone with whom you are gonna share dressing room IF you are selected.
these poor,joke, hyped bowlers were toiling hard on dead pitches of UAE and always playing away from home when Mr Asif was enjoying his ban.

and 34 yr old Asif who hasn't played international cricket for 6 years, will not make any difference.

He served his punishment/jail and should be treated equally. He didn't go below the belt with criticism. If you are professional cricketer, then you should know how to bowl within stumps. What's wrong with saying stuff like that.

I disagree, he would've made a difference with the new ball. He can utilize seam movement even on dead pitches with the new ball. He knows how to set up batsmen. With his support, amir also would've taken few wickets.

 

[Junaids]

Amir was guilty. No one said he wasn't.

Ignore that Amir is 18. Fact is, Amir confessed. Showed remorse. And worked with the system after his guilt. Western societies do not kill criminals for this reason. As they believe in second chances and reformation (after remorse).

Asif and Butt though fought till the end. Only confessed once they figured out they had no chance in dodging their crime. Asif too is a serial offender. Someone should ask him who told him to take steroids or carry hash at the UAE airport?

Butt deserves the most punishment and should never play for Pakistan again. You cannot compare him and Amir. Butt was the leader. The mob boss. The mob boss always gets the most time because he is the one who orders the crime, just like a captain who is match fixing. If it were up to me, I would ban Butt from domestic cricket too and tell him to find a career outside of cricket (maybe at a ice cream parlour? Has a few of those).

The moderators really need to address this sort of post.

I am the first to accept that Butt abused his position, but your post is a tissue of lies.

Firstly, Amir pleaded and maintained that he was Not Guilty throughout his ICC Tribunal. He only pleaded Guilty in the criminal trial because there was a mountain of evidence against him from marked banknotes to SMS and phone records. He pleaded guilty to secure a lower sentence, but even then he claimed to the court that he was only 18 so he wouldn't get sent to an adult prison.

Secondly, Butt was no more the leader of the fix than Amir. The Fake Sheikh told Mazhar Majeed that he wanted the skipper and two star players (Amir and Asif) to do the fix. Majeed replied that they weren't in his fixing group. Majeed then offered all three money to do it: Amir and Butt agreed, but Asif did not.

It is a bad enough thing anyway, without people inventing lies to make it sound even worse than it was.

All three were rightly punished, although one of Asif's two criminal convictions was absurd.

But now you are just inventing lies as pretexts to extend their bans.

 

[Asim2Good]

He served his punishment/jail and should be treated equally. He didn't go below the belt with criticism. If you are professional cricketer, then you should know how to bowl within stumps. What's wrong with saying stuff like that.

I disagree, he would've made a difference with the new ball. He can utilize seam movement even on dead pitches with the new ball. He knows how to set up batsmen. With his support, amir also would've taken few wickets.

Asif is in total different position than any other person at moment.
things ll get worse for him if he doesn't keep quiet. its very very clear he is not in good books of PCB at this time. as I said yesterday even Salman is handling his situation way better by staying away from media (so far)

 

[Asim2Good]

Let me be totally honest.

1) I do support an Asif recall, but at his age I wish I didn't. I only do because the other right-arm options are so bad. I have a stronger "replace veterans" agenda than desire for Asif and Butt to be recalled.

2) I do think that Asif has been excessively punished for 2010. The ICC explicitly found him to be LESS guilty than Amir and Butt, yet he has been punished more, on the basis of prior drug stuff that a) Shoaib did too and b) the PCB was complicit in at the very least.

3) Asif's previous three interviews this year made me think "for goodness sake, shut up will you?"

4) I think this interview is absolutely fine. For once I don't see any dumb Asif comments.

its better to give chance to new bowlers than calling back 34 yrs old who hasn't played international cricket for last 6 years. when trio got banned in 2010, it was very clear that one thing which was not on Asif side, that was his age..
so it's his 4th interview, thats what I am saying stay away from media, don't ruin your chance if you got any left. writing letters to ICC etc. was way too much when whole world knows ban from ICC is over.
Asif was less guilty or not, thats done n gone. he should remain silent and hope for best. Interview after interview (good or bad) are not gonna help his cause.

 

[ICanHitA6OnYou]

We need him in the team right now. Amir needs a decent partner and an experienced mentor.

 

[ICanHitA6OnYou]

With his type of bowling i think he can last a couple of years. Which should be enough time to find a decent replacement. We need him or someone almost as good as he use to be at the moment pretty badly.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

What is the update ? Is Asif going to play the Semifinal for Wapda ? Is he at NCA at the moment ?

 

[Idrees1990]

What is the update ? Is Asif going to play the Semifinal for Wapda ? Is he at NCA at the moment ?

Anyone? Why is Asif not playing these matches?

 

[Indiafan]

He served his punishment/jail and should be treated equally. He didn't go below the belt with criticism. If you are professional cricketer, then you should know how to bowl within stumps. What's wrong with saying stuff like that.

I disagree, he would've made a difference with the new ball. He can utilize seam movement even on dead pitches with the new ball. He knows how to set up batsmen. With his support, amir also would've taken few wickets.

He cannot be treated equally as unlike Butt and Amir who are first time offenders, he is a FOUR TIME repeat offender. No country, law, rule treats a repeat offender same as a first time offender. If you want him back, fair enough, but dont make equal treatment excuse

 

[Junaids]

He cannot be treated equally as unlike Butt and Amir who are first time offenders, he is a FOUR TIME repeat offender. No country, law, rule treats a repeat offender same as a first time offender. If you want him back, fair enough, but dont make equal treatment excuse

Utter nonsense.

The Court of Arbitration for Sport and ICC both noted that Asif had ZERO previous convictions.

The one time he was found guilty was by the IPL when the IPL drug code was not WADA-compliant, meaning that it was an unrecognised conviction by what was effectively a Kangaroo Court of a rogue, outlaw tournament until its drug code became compliant.

 

[Gilly]

Utter nonsense.

The Court of Arbitration for Sport and ICC both noted that Asif had ZERO previous convictions.

The one time he was found guilty was by the IPL when the IPL drug code was not WADA-compliant, meaning that it was an unrecognised conviction by what was effectively a Kangaroo Court of a rogue, outlaw tournament until its drug code became compliant.

Juniads you are only fooling yourself, go right ahead and make all the excuses you want, nobody cares. Asif is not being selected because he is washed up but true to form at some stage he will selected and everyone will have a good laugh.

 

[Junaids]

Juniads you are only fooling yourself, go right ahead and make all the excuses you want, nobody cares. Asif is not being selected because he is washed up but true to form at some stage he will selected and everyone will have a good laugh.

Who in Pakistan is better?

Asif's bowling got WAPDA into the QEA Final and then won it before Tea on Day 1.

I have been arguing for days - months actually - that the time to select Asif and Butt was the 8 overseas Tests in 2016.

And I was proved 100% correct by events.

Going forward, I'd rather go with youth, certainly preferring Imam to Butt.

The problem with Asif is that the other right-arm quicks are complete donkeys.

My point with [MENTION=3327]Indiafan[/MENTION] was that although we all know Asif's previous behaviour, he had no recognised convictions at all.

 

[Gilly]

Who in Pakistan is better?

Asif's bowling got WAPDA into the QEA Final and then won it before Tea on Day 1.

I have been arguing for days - months actually - that the time to select Asif and Butt was the 8 overseas Tests in 2016.

And I was proved 100% correct by events.

Going forward, I'd rather go with youth, certainly preferring Imam to Butt.

The problem with Asif is that the other right-arm quicks are complete donkeys.

My point with [MENTION=3327]Indiafan[/MENTION] was that although we all know Asif's previous behaviour, he had no recognised convictions at all.

You are delusional here Juniads, there is nothing to prove that Asif would have done anything different other than got an absolute thrashing from the Aussie batsmen. Thats like someone saying if Zampa had of been selected he would have taken 20 Pakistan wickets @ 10. And thats 100% correct because Lyon didnt.

 

[Junaids]

You are delusional here Juniads, there is nothing to prove that Asif would have done anything different other than got an absolute thrashing from the Aussie batsmen. Thats like someone saying if Zampa had of been selected he would have taken 20 Pakistan wickets @ 10. And thats 100% correct because Lyon didnt.

Sohail has bowled to his Test average.

Amir has bowled to his Test average in Australia.

Why wouldn't Asif?

 

[Gilly]

Sohail has bowled to his Test average.

Amir has bowled to his Test average in Australia.

Why wouldn't Asif?

Because he has not a test match in over six years.

Because he is unfit.

Because the Australian batsmen would have destroyed him.

Because he is slow.

Because the wickets were flat and not suitable to his bowling.

I would have been happy if they had of bought him over, would have loved every minute of Warner and Smith ripping him to shreds.

 

[Junaids]

Because he has not a test match in over six years.

Because he is unfit.

Because the Australian batsmen would have destroyed him.

Because he is slow.

Because the wickets were flat and not suitable to his bowling.

I would have been happy if they had of bought him over, would have loved every minute of Warner and Smith ripping him to shreds.

He always was slow. He looks exactly the same as before. Anyway, it's gone now.