"Amir should've realised that 'Papa' Mickey will not always be there to protect him" : Shoaib Akhtar

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"Amir should've realised that 'Papa' Mickey will not always be there to protect him" : Shoaib Akhtar

Shoaib Akhtar on PTV:


“Sometimes you have good days and sometimes you have bad days. Amir should have realised that papa Mickey Arthur will not always be there to protect him."

"Sometimes you have to grow up and realise that the management is not acting according to my wishes and I now have to raise my performance and level of hard work"

"Look, its a fact that management was also against Hafeez but how did Hafeez handle it? He didn’t give the management an envelope full of cash - instead he just made runs and proved himself. This is what
Amir should have learned from Hafeez"

“I respect the fact that Najam Sethi had a big role in bringing Mohammad Amir back - he and the board worked very hard in bringing him back and this was favor the PCB did for Amir"

"Whilst Amir won some crucial matches for Pakistan in the Champions Trophy which includes the final but the fact is that after that his performances deteriorated, and so Misbah's stance on him was proven to be right. Misbah is right when he says that Amir’s pace has gone down. There is nothing wrong with that assessment"

“We must not forget that Amir was given a chance to play for Pakistan at every opportunity by Misbah, Waqar and the management. So Amir's complaint that he didn't get enough chances is wrong; He wasn't considered because simply speaking, his performances had gone down"

 

[Varun]

The simple fact of the matter is Mohammad Amir is not a good bowler.

There, I've said it.

 

[daytrader]

Never thought I would agree with Shoaib Akhtar

 

[The cricket enthusiast]

Shoaib Akhtar speaking on TV

"Mohammad Rizwan has to know that he can't open all formats of the game because this is not like someone's UNCLE'S team"

"Amir should've realised that 'PAPA' Mickey will not always be there to protect him" : Shoaib Akhtar
Shoaib Akhtar on PTV.

Look's like he is loosing his marbles day by day

 

[The cricket enthusiast]

The simple fact of the matter is Mohammad Amir is not a good bowler.

There, I've said it.

We've been saying that here in PP for year's now

 

[Major]

akhtar is 100% correct

 

[HappyWarsFan]

He's absolutely right.

 

[Rafa]

He's right this time. Fans should stop treating Amir like a Prince.

 

[Shoaibbtt]

The simple fact of the matter is Mohammad Amir is not a good bowler.

There, I've said it.

He's a good bowler just not a very smart individual.

No room for divas so stay retired.

 

[sabre1486]

There is a basic question i have of amir....when he was 18 he was bowling close to 150 kph in tests (melbourne 09) in spells. When he came back, he seemed to be able to go up to 145 when he felt like it....he was not able to swing the ball in certain spells. Slowly over a period of two to three years his average pace dwindled to below 130. That is not good enough for international test cricket no matter how much 'skill' you have with the ball (Exhibit A - mohammad abbas/praveen kumar). I never saw results of any effort from him to look leaner, fitter, stronger - pacers with relatively high speeds built themselves over years...he did not appear to.

in any case, he owed pakistan cricket a lot after he was brought back from what should have been a career ending error. He might be right about certain aspects of team management but he is absolutely unwilling to concede any underperformance on his part. Good riddance i would say - the man comes across as an entitled so-and-so....and i say this as someone who was very pro-amir when it came to his ban and bringing him back.

 

[Adnan_Ilyas]

100% agree

 

[Mamoon]

PCB did not do any “ehsaan” on Amir by bringing him back. They brought him back because they needed him.

He looked like the next Wasim Akram when he was banned in 2010, and between 2010 and 2015, PCB could not find a single world class pacer who could perform and hold his place across formats.
Moreover, he was also young enough to play for many years after the ban.

That is why PCB brought him back. If other bowlers would have stepped up, or if Amir was in his 30s, PCB would have discarded Amir just like Butt and Asif.

So Amir has absolutely nothing to be thankful or grateful of. PCB acted on selfish reasons not because they cared about Amir.

Retiring from Tests and asking for rest is not a crime. If PCB thought he would be a slave to them and be grateful for the fact that they brought him back for selfish reasons, they thought wrong.

All this commitment talk is nonsense. He is not fighting on the border; he is playing cricket.

A half-committed Amir is still a superior and more intelligent bowler than junk like Rauf, Naseem, Musa, Hasnain, Wahab and the other talentless rubbish bowlers (excluding Shaheen) that we are selecting in Amir’s place.

Ultimately, it is PCB’s loss not Amir. He gains nothing by playing for a pathetic team like Pakistan that gets thumped 90% of the time by the top teams.

He is earning a lot of money in franchise cricket and he gets sufficient rest. He is very content with where he is at the moment and I do not blame him.

Pakistan is not a team worth playing for.

 

[Major]

PCB did not do any “ehsaan” on Amir by bringing him back. They brought him back because they needed him.

He looked like the next Wasim Akram when he was banned in 2010, and between 2010 and 2015, PCB could not find a single world class pacer who could perform and hold his place across formats.
Moreover, he was also young enough to play for many years after the ban.

That is why PCB brought him back. If other bowlers would have stepped up, or if Amir was in his 30s, PCB would have discarded Amir just like Butt and Asif.

So Amir has absolutely nothing to be thankful or grateful of. PCB acted on selfish reasons not because they cared about Amir.

Retiring from Tests and asking for rest is not a crime. If PCB thought he would be a slave to them and be grateful for the fact that they brought him back for selfish reasons, they thought wrong.

All this commitment talk is nonsense. He is not fighting on the border; he is playing cricket.

A half-committed Amir is still a superior and more intelligent bowler than junk like Rauf, Naseem, Musa, Hasnain, Wahab and the other talentless rubbish bowlers (excluding Shaheen) that we are selecting in Amir’s place.

Ultimately, it is PCB’s loss not Amir. He gains nothing by playing for a pathetic team like Pakistan that gets thumped 90% of the time by the top teams.

He is earning a lot of money in franchise cricket and he gets sufficient rest. He is very content with where he is at the moment and I do not blame him.

Pakistan is not a team worth playing for.

Mamoon, Asif was performing quite good after his comeback in domestic cricket. Many domestic cricketers had more positive things to say about him.

PCB did do an ehsan on amir. Amir would have had travel difficulties to England. If PCB never allowed him back, the gigs hes getting would not had been possible.

Many people were against Amir's comeback. Misbah, Hafeez etc.

PCB could have also allowed Asif back who was bowling much better. Yet Najem Sethi allowed Amir back.

Amir did owe to the cricket fans and PCB. Not for PCB allowing him back, but for what he did in the summer of 2010.

I dont care how intelligent Amir is. I would always pick a rubbish bowler over a corrupt bowler any day of the week.

Amir can do whatever he wants, true. No one is forcing him. But everything has its consequences. One of the reason why Akhtar doesnt get a gig with PCB is because of his past behavior. Amir will find it hard getting gigs after retirement. There is that one rule, you dont leak dressing room talks

 

[Snowflake]

Yeah that's all fine and dandy, but the question that really matters is are the ones playing in place of Amir better than him?

The answer is no. So, Amir isn't competing with himself for a place in the side, he's competing with Shaheen, Hassan, Hasnain/Rauf; 3/4 he should be easily able to replace.

 

[MesonK]

On merit, Amir doesnt deserve to be in team. He cant replace Shaheen or Hassan Ali as simple as that.

personally speaking, I am totally against him and Sharjeel being drafted in again. Zero tolerance policy !

Lovely bowler with skill but once a ...

 

[BunnyRabbit]

I don't agree with what Shoaib says these days on tv or youtube, but he is correct on this one. Shoaib with 10x worse fitness at 35 was bowling quicker and getting better swing than Amir has been for last 2 years.

And people are solely acting as if Amir singlehandedly won Pakistan CT17. He only performed in the final. Missed the semi due to injury. In the group stage, he was wicketless in the first 2 games and his figures in the third game were 2/57 in a 230 total match. Hassan and Junaid constantly outperformed him in the CT17 and if it weren't for them, we wouldn't have made the final.

 

[Nasty Naz]

He's right this time. Fans should stop treating Amir like a Prince.

Has anyone been treating him like a prince?

Amir has simply declined due to his injuries and the sharp drop in pace since 2018.

In the right conditions, I think he is still a good bowler and a very economical one but Pakistan have younger ones that deserve reps and there's a lack of wicket taking options in general and Amir is more of a control bowler than a wicket taking option.

It's also about building for the 2023 WC as well where Shaheen/Hasan/Rauf/Hasnain look likely to be the picked bowlers and they need to get as much experience as possible for that.

 

[Ami]

PCB or Pakistan doesn't owe Amir anything.
What ever comes his way, he deserves it.
He is no longer, never was, what we thought he was.
Time doesnt wait for anyone.
Those were 5 crucial years for him; he lost 'em all.
He tried to turn back the clock, he couldnt.
He just couldnt bridge the gap.
He still has time for a few more blows, a few more rounds...but, alas, not the foresight.
Just move on people...move on...nothing to see here!

 

[daytrader]

I don't agree with what Shoaib says these days on tv or youtube, but he is correct on this one. Shoaib with 10x worse fitness at 35 was bowling quicker and getting better swing than Amir has been for last 2 years.

And people are solely acting as if Amir singlehandedly won Pakistan CT17. He only performed in the final. Missed the semi due to injury. In the group stage, he was wicketless in the first 2 games and his figures in the third game were 2/57 in a 230 total match. Hassan and Junaid constantly outperformed him in the CT17 and if it weren't for them, we wouldn't have made the final.

And even in the final we had 338 to defend. Any of our bowlers would've done the job

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Mamoon, Asif was performing quite good after his comeback in domestic cricket. Many domestic cricketers had more positive things to say about him.

PCB did do an ehsan on amir. Amir would have had travel difficulties to England. If PCB never allowed him back, the gigs hes getting would not had been possible.

Many people were against Amir's comeback. Misbah, Hafeez etc.

PCB could have also allowed Asif back who was bowling much better. Yet Najem Sethi allowed Amir back.

Amir did owe to the cricket fans and PCB. Not for PCB allowing him back, but for what he did in the summer of 2010.

I dont care how intelligent Amir is. I would always pick a rubbish bowler over a corrupt bowler any day of the week.

Amir can do whatever he wants, true. No one is forcing him. But everything has its consequences. One of the reason why Akhtar doesnt get a gig with PCB is because of his past behavior. Amir will find it hard getting gigs after retirement. There is that one rule, you dont leak dressing room talks

agree with every single word of this post.

 

[Rana]

Shoaib’s one liners are hilarious

 

[ChTab]

Some strong words from Akhtar but someone like Amir should always be treated like this.

 

[iniqbal223]

PCB did not do any “ehsaan” on Amir by bringing him back. They brought him back because they needed him.

He looked like the next Wasim Akram when he was banned in 2010, and between 2010 and 2015, PCB could not find a single world class pacer who could perform and hold his place across formats.
Moreover, he was also young enough to play for many years after the ban.

That is why PCB brought him back. If other bowlers would have stepped up, or if Amir was in his 30s, PCB would have discarded Amir just like Butt and Asif.

So Amir has absolutely nothing to be thankful or grateful of. PCB acted on selfish reasons not because they cared about Amir.

Retiring from Tests and asking for rest is not a crime. If PCB thought he would be a slave to them and be grateful for the fact that they brought him back for selfish reasons, they thought wrong.

All this commitment talk is nonsense. He is not fighting on the border; he is playing cricket.

A half-committed Amir is still a superior and more intelligent bowler than junk like Rauf, Naseem, Musa, Hasnain, Wahab and the other talentless rubbish bowlers (excluding Shaheen) that we are selecting in Amir’s place.

Ultimately, it is PCB’s loss not Amir. He gains nothing by playing for a pathetic team like Pakistan that gets thumped 90% of the time by the top teams.

He is earning a lot of money in franchise cricket and he gets sufficient rest. He is very content with where he is at the moment and I do not blame him.

Pakistan is not a team worth playing for.

Totally agree!!

PCB desperation is well documented... How they were not able to find even a single bowler of good repute who could at least be competitive against better teams

Plus, waning Umar Gul, and ever so inconsistent Wahab made sure PCB was desperate to get Amir back in the team...

Still depresses me when I think we had fast bowlers such as Cheema, Imran Khan , Sohail Khan, Tanvir Ahmed, etc..They were not that bad, but came to the team very late when left with only 1/2 years .... Again, grandpa Misbah wanted to have even fast bowlers of his age group;; and that is the reason PCB had to desperately go for Amir..

Amir anyways got BPL contract before playing for Pakistan;; If he was not welcomed back into the team, he would have played lot more T20 leagues (2016 onwards) across the globe by now, and would have made a lot of $$$.. In fact, I think , Amir did right to part ways with CHEAPO &BACKWARD mentalities of Misbah and Waqar Younis (if it is not working for him, rather than stuck around and create politics within the team which many our so called legends did in the past)

 

[iniqbal223]

Mamoon, Asif was performing quite good after his comeback in domestic cricket. Many domestic cricketers had more positive things to say about him.

PCB did do an ehsan on amir. Amir would have had travel difficulties to England. If PCB never allowed him back, the gigs hes getting would not had been possible.

Many people were against Amir's comeback. Misbah, Hafeez etc.

PCB could have also allowed Asif back who was bowling much better. Yet Najem Sethi allowed Amir back.

Amir did owe to the cricket fans and PCB. Not for PCB allowing him back, but for what he did in the summer of 2010.

I dont care how intelligent Amir is. I would always pick a rubbish bowler over a corrupt bowler any day of the week.

Amir can do whatever he wants, true. No one is forcing him. But everything has its consequences. One of the reason why Akhtar doesnt get a gig with PCB is because of his past behavior. Amir will find it hard getting gigs after retirement. There is that one rule, you dont leak dressing room talks

leaking dressing room talks ;; hilarious if that was the case then Lala would have been no where near PSL/PCB, etc..

 

[BunnyRabbit]

And even in the final we had 338 to defend. Any of our bowlers would've done the job

He did bowl extremely well in the final though regardless of the position we were in.
But the thing is, we wouldn't have been in the final if not for Hasan and Junaid in the bowling dept.
Cricket is a team game, people putting the crown of CT17 victory solely on Amir are blind supporters.

 

[Mamoon]

Mamoon, Asif was performing quite good after his comeback in domestic cricket. Many domestic cricketers had more positive things to say about him.

PCB did do an ehsan on amir. Amir would have had travel difficulties to England. If PCB never allowed him back, the gigs hes getting would not had been possible.

Many people were against Amir's comeback. Misbah, Hafeez etc.

PCB could have also allowed Asif back who was bowling much better. Yet Najem Sethi allowed Amir back.

Amir did owe to the cricket fans and PCB. Not for PCB allowing him back, but for what he did in the summer of 2010.

I dont care how intelligent Amir is. I would always pick a rubbish bowler over a corrupt bowler any day of the week.

Amir can do whatever he wants, true. No one is forcing him. But everything has its consequences. One of the reason why Akhtar doesnt get a gig with PCB is because of his past behavior. Amir will find it hard getting gigs after retirement. There is that one rule, you dont leak dressing room talks

PCB did not bring Asif back because he was 33-34. They also never thought Amir would retire from Test cricket within 3 years of his comeback.

In hindsight, had they brought Asif back as well, he would have ended up playing more Tests than Amir and he would still be playing and performing at a world class level.

It was a blunder by PCB to ignore Asif.

Amir’s career was obviously boosted by PCB bringing him back, but PCB did not do it because they cared about Amir; they did it because they needed him.

When you help someone because you also benefit from helping him, it is not an ehsaan/favor.

PCB cannot play this card now. They brought Amir back because of their own selfish interests and reasons.

 

[Cric1234]

He’s bowled a few decent spells but he’s an average bowler overall an average of 30 in both tests and ODIs too much is said about him when he’s bang average.

 

[cricketAXEpert]

Mamoon, Asif was performing quite good after his comeback in domestic cricket. Many domestic cricketers had more positive things to say about him.

PCB did do an ehsan on amir. Amir would have had travel difficulties to England. If PCB never allowed him back, the gigs hes getting would not had been possible.

Many people were against Amir's comeback. Misbah, Hafeez etc.

PCB could have also allowed Asif back who was bowling much better. Yet Najem Sethi allowed Amir back.

Amir did owe to the cricket fans and PCB. Not for PCB allowing him back, but for what he did in the summer of 2010.

I dont care how intelligent Amir is. I would always pick a rubbish bowler over a corrupt bowler any day of the week.

Amir can do whatever he wants, true. No one is forcing him. But everything has its consequences. One of the reason why Akhtar doesnt get a gig with PCB is because of his past behavior. Amir will find it hard getting gigs after retirement. There is that one rule, you dont leak dressing room talks

Yes, Amir would have been in same situation as Danish Kaneria. PCB got made fun of all over the place, by bringing him back.

 

[Farabi]

PCB did not do any “ehsaan” on Amir by bringing him back. They brought him back because they needed him.

He looked like the next Wasim Akram when he was banned in 2010, and between 2010 and 2015, PCB could not find a single world class pacer who could perform and hold his place across formats.
Moreover, he was also young enough to play for many years after the ban.

That is why PCB brought him back. If other bowlers would have stepped up, or if Amir was in his 30s, PCB would have discarded Amir just like Butt and Asif.

So Amir has absolutely nothing to be thankful or grateful of. PCB acted on selfish reasons not because they cared about Amir.

Retiring from Tests and asking for rest is not a crime. If PCB thought he would be a slave to them and be grateful for the fact that they brought him back for selfish reasons, they thought wrong.

All this commitment talk is nonsense. He is not fighting on the border; he is playing cricket.

A half-committed Amir is still a superior and more intelligent bowler than junk like Rauf, Naseem, Musa, Hasnain, Wahab and the other talentless rubbish bowlers (excluding Shaheen) that we are selecting in Amir’s place.

Ultimately, it is PCB’s loss not Amir. He gains nothing by playing for a pathetic team like Pakistan that gets thumped 90% of the time by the top teams.

He is earning a lot of money in franchise cricket and he gets sufficient rest. He is very content with where he is at the moment and I do not blame him.

Pakistan is not a team worth playing for.

Agreed. Amir was brought back because PCB was desperate. And I also agree that had Butt/Asif been the same age, they would have been brought back as well. This was not an “ehsaan”. There are no ehsans in this world.
Also think Amir had the right to decide on his test career. This was a non issue.
The one area I don’t seem to agree with you is your rhetoric on Pakistan being “pathetic” because it’s at least a middling team.

I think Misbah/Waqar overreacted because Amir retired just before tough international gigs vs Aus and Eng. obviously Misbah/Waqar’s own jobs were on the line due to lack of bowling options, which is why they used the word “ditched” for Amir’s retirement. I think they felt insecure about their own coaching jobs and fat paycheck.
Misbah/Waqar aren’t professional coaches either and they couldn’t handle the situation well, specially Waqar who made needless presumptuous statements demeaning Amir first. And then Amir reacted as well. Totally unprofessional.
They also gave illogical excuses like we are picking players who can play all formats, which was obviously not true. Performance issue was brought up much later.

Also 500% aligned that Amir still makes the team.

 

[Giannis]

The simple fact of the matter is Mohammad Amir is not a good bowler.

There, I've said it.

We've been saying that here in PP for year's now

He’s bowled a few decent spells but he’s an average bowler overall an average of 30 in both tests and ODIs too much is said about him when he’s bang average.

You guys are forgetting that the Amir post-ban and pre-ban were two very different players, Amir's 5 year ban + the time he spent in jail destroyed the old Amir (his fault) and he was never coming back, lets not write off what he did his rookie year and the impression he left on everyone, he just never came back, his career is comparable to Derrick Rose - a generational talent that was destroyed after a hiatus.

 

[cricket4all]

Amir was given a chance because PAKISTAN needed him not PCB. He represents the country not the board more.
Anyway, agree with Mamoon on the bit he was needed. However, PCB did nothing wrong there either as anyone would want the best available players for the team. Yes, he would have been rightly discarded if his talent wasn’t worth saving.

So yes the board/team/country needed Amir but he Amir needed to play just as much and be given a chance after his fixing and corruption antics. A lot of people around the world and Pakistan never wanted to give him that chance again regardless of his talent ‘worth saving’ justifications.

Let’s not forget it’s Amir who let the country and sport down and many wanted a life ban. The PCB did not do anything wrong or fix matches or spot fix, but Amir did that and brought it on himself.

Off course everyone deserves a second chance and forgiveness but not everyone can forget. Once you are given that second chance well part of it is you have to try like 200% more than someone not with that tainted mark, no matter what your talent and certainly you have to put up with listening to a lot and being treated with suspicion (rightly or wrongly).

You certainly should not have the nerve or grounds to complain and moan as much if things aren’t all cosy and go your way. You have to start from scratch and earn your place again. For goodness sake let your cricket do the talking.

 

[cricket4all]

Adding to the above, the PCB could have just left Amir to rot and if they didn’t bring him back then no other board had any reason to do that or would have gone anywhere near Amit after his criminality.
The PCB may have done it for a selfish reason for themselves and the team and country but they did nothing wrong compared to Amir. Who doesn’t want the best for the country.

Regarding mr Shoaib Akhar or should I say ‘actor’, well throughout his career and after he always talked a lot of rubbish and nonsense. He never just kept quiet and just let his cricket do the talking, At times all the big talk before a match and then egg on his face.

HOWEVER,
On this very rare occasion Shoaib is right and I agree 100% with him almost except the stupid Papa Mickey comment bit and Rizwan’s uncle team comments.

Who does he think he is a pundit like Boycott or Bumble lol?

 

[moghul]

Shoaib Akhtar on PTV:


“Sometimes you have good days and sometimes you have bad days. Amir should have realised that papa Mickey Arthur will not always be there to protect him."

"Sometimes you have to grow up and realise that the management is not acting according to my wishes and I now have to raise my performance and level of hard work"

"Look, its a fact that management was also against Hafeez but how did Hafeez handle it? He didn’t give the management an envelope full of cash - instead he just made runs and proved himself. This is what
Amir should have learned from Hafeez"

“I respect the fact that Najam Sethi had a big role in bringing Mohammad Amir back - he and the board worked very hard in bringing him back and this was favor the PCB did for Amir"

"Whilst Amir won some crucial matches for Pakistan in the Champions Trophy which includes the final but the fact is that after that his performances deteriorated, and so Misbah's stance on him was proven to be right. Misbah is right when he says that Amir’s pace has gone down. There is nothing wrong with that assessment"

“We must not forget that Amir was given a chance to play for Pakistan at every opportunity by Misbah, Waqar and the management. So Amir's complaint that he didn't get enough chances is wrong; He wasn't considered because simply speaking, his performances had gone down"

One ** after another , Shoaib Akhtar always likes to be in news, and always due to ridiculous statements like this .

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Difference between Hafeez and Amir is that Hafeez, for all his shortcomings, failures and lack of talent always wanted to play for Pakistan, wasn't a dishonest cheat and worked hard in his later years to redeem himself as a player. Amir on the other hand was a once in a generation talent who had it all, and threw it all away. Once he came back he was never the same. And eventually he realized that he was just another overrated and mediocre bowler, which is why he took the easy route out and blamed management, instead of just working hard to rediscover his form, and being grateful that he was granted a second chance

 

[Slim]

I agree with each word of Shabby. Epic phainta served to Aamir. However, we should get over the trundler and start exploring options within. Its not like he was dropped unfairly, Misbah dropped him rightly.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

After coming back from his ban Amir should have put his head down, stayed humble and appreciated every chance he got to represent his country again. But no he chose to go to opposite direction instead. He complained, showed arrogance and thought Pakistan is lucky to have his services again. I really feel for Junaid Khan who was sidelined after Amir's comeback into the team.

 

[zulfiqar]

He did bowl extremely well in the final though regardless of the position we were in.
But the thing is, we wouldn't have been in the final if not for Hasan and Junaid in the bowling dept.
Cricket is a team game, people putting the crown of CT17 victory solely on Amir are blind supporters.

Right, but the poster's point was that we would've defended that total without Amir. He wouldn't even be the 10th most valuable player for us in that CT'17 - almost everyone else contributed more! That spell was fantastic but was much like a batsman hitting 60 ftom 30 balls when chasing a sub200 total - good innings but wasn't required. I also get a little irked when I hear people say Amir won us CT'17.

That being said, Amir will walk into our T20 side which is where we'll miss him the most.

 

[Pakhs]

PCB did not do any “ehsaan” on Amir by bringing him back. They brought him back because they needed him.

He looked like the next Wasim Akram when he was banned in 2010, and between 2010 and 2015, PCB could not find a single world class pacer who could perform and hold his place across formats.
Moreover, he was also young enough to play for many years after the ban.

That is why PCB brought him back. If other bowlers would have stepped up, or if Amir was in his 30s, PCB would have discarded Amir just like Butt and Asif.

So Amir has absolutely nothing to be thankful or grateful of. PCB acted on selfish reasons not because they cared about Amir.

Retiring from Tests and asking for rest is not a crime. If PCB thought he would be a slave to them and be grateful for the fact that they brought him back for selfish reasons, they thought wrong.

All this commitment talk is nonsense. He is not fighting on the border; he is playing cricket.

A half-committed Amir is still a superior and more intelligent bowler than junk like Rauf, Naseem, Musa, Hasnain, Wahab and the other talentless rubbish bowlers (excluding Shaheen) that we are selecting in Amir’s place.

Ultimately, it is PCB’s loss not Amir. He gains nothing by playing for a pathetic team like Pakistan that gets thumped 90% of the time by the top teams.

He is earning a lot of money in franchise cricket and he gets sufficient rest. He is very content with where he is at the moment and I do not blame him.

Pakistan is not a team worth playing for.

Mamoon, Asif was performing quite good after his comeback in domestic cricket. Many domestic cricketers had more positive things to say about him.

PCB did do an ehsan on amir. Amir would have had travel difficulties to England. If PCB never allowed him back, the gigs hes getting would not had been possible.

Many people were against Amir's comeback. Misbah, Hafeez etc.

PCB could have also allowed Asif back who was bowling much better. Yet Najem Sethi allowed Amir back.

Amir did owe to the cricket fans and PCB. Not for PCB allowing him back, but for what he did in the summer of 2010.

I dont care how intelligent Amir is. I would always pick a rubbish bowler over a corrupt bowler any day of the week.

Amir can do whatever he wants, true. No one is forcing him. But everything has its consequences. One of the reason why Akhtar doesnt get a gig with PCB is because of his past behavior. Amir will find it hard getting gigs after retirement. There is that one rule, you dont leak dressing room talks

The only problem with above comments are that you guys are assuming PCB actually cares about Pakistan cricket and result which they dont. Now try again, they did actually do him a favor because at that time he did a good job in management liking him.

However now he has made his comeback and made his dollars so does not feel the need to boot lick anymore. Plus he can still make money form leagues.

 

[Pakhs]

Right, but the poster's point was that we would've defended that total without Amir. He wouldn't even be the 10th most valuable player for us in that CT'17 - almost everyone else contributed more! That spell was fantastic but was much like a batsman hitting 60 ftom 30 balls when chasing a sub200 total - good innings but wasn't required. I also get a little irked when I hear people say Amir won us CT'17.

That being said, Amir will walk into our T20 side which is where we'll miss him the most.

He did bowl extremely well in the final though regardless of the position we were in.
But the thing is, we wouldn't have been in the final if not for Hasan and Junaid in the bowling dept.
Cricket is a team game, people putting the crown of CT17 victory solely on Amir are blind supporters.

No good coming second and lose to India in the final. He did win the final for Pakistan without those 3 wickets India would have chased that score down if Pakistan batting line up can do it those 3 can do it too if allowed to settle.

If you watch the highlight apart from Amir other bowlers did not actually look like taking those 3 down. Obviously Hasan Ali did not bowl at that stage.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

No good coming second and lose to India in the final. He did win the final for Pakistan without those 3 wickets India would have chased that score down if Pakistan batting line up can do it those 3 can do it too if allowed to settle.

If you watch the highlight apart from Amir other bowlers did not actually look like taking those 3 down. Obviously Hasan Ali did not bowl at that stage.

Hasan was unplayable in that tournament. Junaid was the one who consistently took wickets in the powerplay overs. Junaid was bowling well in that match as well but he was made to bowl only 4 overs in the PP. That game was the first instance when Kohli's body language showed signs of worry rather than his usual confident self. It was a pressure game and it's not often you see a team successfully chase 338 in the final.

The thing is, one player can't simply be given credit for success in a full series/tournament with a one off performance. Amir had been in woeful form in Tests and ODIs for far too long. He was good in the wc19 though. But you can't expect to be treated superiorly to others when you're not performing consistently. Even though he was being treated preferentially to others under Mickey and that was one of the factors that increased his ego.

 

[PakLFC]

Amir was a fine bowler before getting banned. He was an exciting match winner set to be a legend. The spot fixing must have had a psychological effect on him as too on his Cricket. When he started at such a young age he needed some protection. Shoaib who was always had plenty off it too.

 

[shamaan]

Amir was a fine bowler before getting banned. He was an exciting match winner set to be a legend. The spot fixing must have had a psychological effect on him as too on his Cricket. When he started at such a young age he needed some protection. Shoaib who was always had plenty off it too.

Amir was a class bowler thiers no doubt about that once in a lifetime talent but junaid was as good but he wasn't given the chances Amir had

 

[shamaan]

The simple fact of the matter is Mohammad Amir is not a good bowler.

There, I've said it.

In his prime ?

 

[shamaan]

Yeah that's all fine and dandy, but the question that really matters is are the ones playing in place of Amir better than him?

The answer is no. So, Amir isn't competing with himself for a place in the side, he's competing with Shaheen, Hassan, Hasnain/Rauf; 3/4 he should be easily able to replace.

Amir is not better than shaheen that's a certain he's not better than Hassan Ali.but he's better than Rauf and husnain

 

[PakLFC]

Amir was a class bowler thiers no doubt about that once in a lifetime talent but junaid was as good but he wasn't given the chances Amir had

I don't think Junaid was as good as Amir to be honest. Shinwari who faded away was as good as Junaid.

 

[shamaan]

I don't think Junaid was as good as Amir to be honest. Shinwari who faded away was as good as Junaid.

No way was shinwari as good as junaid.did you see the spell against India that junaid produced the guy was beated the bat multiple times.he wasn't backed like Amir was

 

[PakLFC]

No way was shinwari as good as junaid.did you see the spell against India that junaid produced the guy was beated the bat multiple times.he wasn't backed like Amir was

I was never a Junaid fan at all. Shinwari performed the few times he played for us.

 

[Savak]

Problem with Shinwari is he will deliver one match winning performance but will be a clueless spray gun for the next 4 games single handedly costing his team the game. This explains why he usually is not a consistent pick in the side.

 

[Farabi]

Amir is not better than shaheen that's a certain he's not better than Hassan Ali.but he's better than Rauf and husnain

Successful teams have 5-6 fast bowlers at anytime who can step in deliver equally well. Then, you rotate the bowler workload to keep them all fresh. It also increase competition and raises the bar for final 11.
Pakistani management and fans need to stop thinking about just 3 bowlers who play in the 11, that's archaic thinking!!!

As much as possible, all of Amir, Shaheen, Wahab, Rauf, Hasnain and Hassan should be part of the squad to keep competition intense, and enable learnings from one another

 

[shamaan]

I was never a Junaid fan at all. Shinwari performed the few times he played for us.

Not many people were that's why he didn't play as many matches as he should have.performing against India is
the ultimate.

 

[shamaan]

Successful teams have 5-6 fast bowlers at anytime who can step in deliver equally well. Then, you rotate the bowler workload to keep them all fresh. It also increase competition and raises the bar for final 11.
Pakistani management and fans need to stop thinking about just 3 bowlers who play in the 11, that's archaic thinking!!!

As much as possible, all of Amir, Shaheen, Wahab, Rauf, Hasnain and Hassan should be part of the squad to keep competition intense, and enable learnings from one another

When was the last time Amir bowled a decent spell same with wahab please tell me what competition they will bring baring fixing a match.if these are the names you are going to bring then it looks like we will continue fail.

 

[Manunited18]

The simple fact of the matter is Mohammad Amir is not a good bowler.

There, I've said it.

Yep, he has regressed and shaheen has progressed alot, perfect time to move on from Amir.

 

[Manunited18]

In his prime ?

His prime was years ago, pak fans need to move on from this attention seeking trundler.

 

[PakLFC]

Not many people were that's why he didn't play as many matches as he should have.performing against India is
the ultimate.

He was an average performer at best. You know how easily our fans get carried away. One decent performance against India should not guarantee a place in the side for the next ten years.

 

[shamaan]

His prime was years ago, pak fans need to move on from this attention seeking trundler.

Exactly that's what I said in his prime he was good but not anymore as we have recently seen.

 

[shamaan]

He was an average performer at best. You know how easily our fans get carried away. One decent performance against India should not guarantee a place in the side for the next ten years.

You don't get the wickets of kohli,rohit,sangkara,Warner and he made them look clueless.18 out of 22 test matches were on flat asain desks yet people call him average.

 

[PakLFC]

You don't get the wickets of kohli,rohit,sangkara,Warner and he made them look clueless.18 out of 22 test matches were on flat asain desks yet people call him average.

Even average players have taken wickets of great players. You are too easily impressed.

 

[shamaan]

Even average players have taken wickets of great players. You are too easily impressed.

Correct but just go look at how he he made them look absolutely clueles.

 

[Ahmed216]

No way was shinwari as good as junaid.did you see the spell against India that junaid produced the guy was beated the bat multiple times.he wasn't backed like Amir was

I fully agree with you. Junaid has been treated very unfairly. Guy produced some very good spells on dead UAE tracks.
He had the potential to play at least 70 tests for Pakistan

 

[PakLFC]

Correct but just go look at how he he made them look absolutely clueles.

Average players have there day. Even part time bowlers have claimed the wickets of world class batsman. That the selectors forgot about Junaid says it all. There was nothing special about him whatsoever.

 

[shamaan]

Average players have there day. Even part time bowlers have claimed the wickets of world class batsman. That the selectors forgot about Junaid says it all. There was nothing special about him whatsoever.

1 world class Bateman yes but when you get multiple world class Bateman out then thiers a difference.yes they forgot about junaid due to Amir and we know how well his inclusion has been .

 

[shamaan]

I fully agree with you. Junaid has been treated very unfairly. Guy produced some very good spells on dead UAE tracks.
He had the potential to play at least 70 tests for Pakistan

Exactly he didn't play as much due to Amir and that didn't work out well.

 

[PakLFC]

1 world class Bateman yes but when you get multiple world class Bateman out then thiers a difference.yes they forgot about junaid due to Amir and we know how well his inclusion has been .

He did not play much because was not really threatening enough. I do remember him dismissing Kohli a few times but that was enough to secure a permanent place. He was also injury prone as well. Shinwari seemed more promising to me then Junaid.

 

[shamaan]

He did not play much because was not really threatening enough. I do remember him dismissing Kohli a few times but that was enough to secure a permanent place. He was also injury prone as well. Shinwari seemed more promising to me then Junaid.

He dismissed kohli,sehwag,rohit,warner.
he got sangkara with absolute peach of a delivery in a test match.shinwari was good on his day but he can be really expensive and is a different bowler to junaid.junaid was a swing bowler whilst shinwari was a hit the deck bowler.

 

[PakLFC]

He dismissed kohli,sehwag,rohit,warner.
he got sangkara with absolute peach of a delivery in a test match.shinwari was good on his day but he can be really expensive and is a different bowler to junaid.junaid was a swing bowler whilst shinwari was a hit the deck bowler.

Those wickets Junaid took are not good enough to grant him a permanent place in the side, obviously. He was another one mostly injured then available for selection. If it came to choosing one I would prefer Shinwari for sure. Junaid could be very expensive too.

 

[iniqbal223]

Shoaib Akhtar

is most frequent Pakistan Cricket Youtuber, yet the most out of sorts and illogical

 

[shamaan]

Those wickets Junaid took are not good enough to grant him a permanent place in the side, obviously. He was another one mostly injured then available for selection. If it came to choosing one I would prefer Shinwari for sure. Junaid could be very expensive too.

That's obvious no player can be a permanent member if he doesn't constantly gets wickets but which player has consistently got wickets and deserved to be in the team.yes I agree injuries played apart but that just shows he was good enough even with the injuries.thats just an opinion which is fine.