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Asia XI vs World XI

Would be fun to have a test series, India/ Pakistan/ SL and Bd vs Eng/ SA/ Aus/ NZ/ WI.

Post your xi's and winner. It will be a 3 match series, first match in Kolkata (turning pitch not dustbowl), second match at Headingley (good seamer condition but not green track) and final match in Sydney(assisting seamers first then turn later) so there is no home advantage.

Asia xi- Dilshan
Vijay
Sangakkara
Pujara
Younis
Jayawardene (captain)
Dhoni (wk)
Junaid
Irfan
Ajmal
Herath

World xi- Cook
Smith
Amla
KP
Kallis
Clarke (captain)
de villiers (wk)
Philander
Swann
Steyn
Anderson.
 
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On topic, world XI would and SHOULD win. Dhoni hasnt been a great t, test player, Vijay is Smith's competitor :)) and Junaid-Irfan are far too inexperiened to be classed anywhere near steyn anderson. Pujara has just begun his career. Dillu is a good batsman, but not really the best.
 
The sub-continental cricket scene must be pretty bleak if Vijay is making it atop that list.
 
Re: Asia xi vs World xi

Asia XI

Dilshan Dhawan Pujara Sangakkara(wk and C) Kohli/ Mahela Shakib Mathews Herath/Irfan Ajmal Junaid Rahat

Mahela is a walking wicket outside SC. Kohli is better though nothing special yet. Scary thing is there are so few decent subcontinental pacers now. Earlier, there were the Pakistan brigade, Vaas, Srinath, Agarkar, etc. Now even Irfan averages in his 60s.

World XI

Cook(c) Smith Amla Clarke Kallis Chanderpaul AB (wk) Philander/Pattinson Swann Steyn Jimmy

Pattinson comes in for Philly during the SC game. He has shown ability to run through sides in SC.

World XI will run through Asia methinks at Sydney and Headingley. Eden will go to Asia due to their superior spin attack.

2-1 to World XI ultimately.
 
leatherface58 said:
Asia XI

Dilshan Dhawan Pujara Sangakkara(wk and C) Kohli/ Mahela Shakib Mathews Herath/Irfan Ajmal Junaid Rahat

Mahela is a walking wicket outside SC. Kohli is better though nothing special yet. Scary thing is there are so few decent subcontinental pacers now. Earlier, there were the Pakistan brigade, Vaas, Srinath, Agarkar, etc. Now even Irfan averages in his 60s.

World XI

Cook(c) Smith Amla Clarke Kallis Chanderpaul AB (wk) Philander/Pattinson Swann Steyn Jimmy

Pattinson comes in for Philly during the SC game. He has shown ability to run through sides in SC.

World XI will run through Asia methinks at Sydney and Headingley. Eden will go to Asia due to their superior spin attack.

2-1 to World XI ultimately.
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Agarkar was one of the worst bowlers ever... averaged 50 odd
 
Apart from sanga, younus, ajmal and herath, none of the Asia XI would be able to fit into the world XI squad.
 
Your Asia XI is very weak when compared to world XI. Lot of inexperienced players in Asia XI. Batting is reasonable and spin attack is quality one but fast bowling unit seriously lacks the punch. Asia XI has chance to win only at Kolkata and I am am not too sure about that as well.

World XI should win the series with very high probability. Looks one sided contest to me and it's not surprising because currently you have two non SC teams as top 2 teams. With India at 3, Pakistan at 5 and SL at 6 it's not a surprise that World XI and Asia XI contest looks lopsided. If you do same analysis when two SC teams are top 2 then I am sure that situation will look different.
 
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Re: Asia xi vs World xi

vandokkum said:
Agarkar was one of the worst bowlers ever... averaged 50 odd
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He was decent in ODI and I mean the guy has a ton at Lord's where Lord :sachin could not get 40 and won India a test in Oz. He sucked more than he didn't but he had his moments.
 
7 years ago, Asia XI would have won.

SRT, RD, Yousuf, Inzi murali and vaas, all where great players. They would be able to beat world XI. BTW, its not a great contest, when you consider that there are 3 good teams in Asia XI and from the others, there is only 1 decent test player, while world XI includes 5 good teams.
 
Executioner said:
7 years ago, Asia XI would have won.

SRT, RD, Yousuf, Inzi murali and vaas, all where great players. They would be able to beat world XI. BTW, its not a great contest, when you consider that there are 3 good teams in Asia XI and from the others, there is only 1 decent test player, while world XI includes 5 good teams.
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I think contest will be there if you have SC teams as top 2-3 teams at the time of picking the XI. World XI having 5 countries won't matter that much but you are right here. Right now 3 good teams in SC and they are not really doing so well so it makes it an uneven contest.
 
Executioner said:
7 years ago, Asia XI would have won.

SRT, RD, Yousuf, Inzi murali and vaas, all where great players. They would be able to beat world XI. BTW, its not a great contest, when you consider that there are 3 good teams in Asia XI and from the others, there is only 1 decent test player, while world XI includes 5 good teams.
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Well, NZ and WI didn't get any picks... so. 7 years ago World xi would have been even stronger, with 6 out of 11 players being Aussies.. but Asia xi would have been a lot stronger
 
vandokkum said:
7 years ago World xi would have been even stronger, .. but Asia xi would have been a lot stronger
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True but that would have made bit closer contest than your current scenario. If game was played in each test playing nation then I think batting line up having the likes of SRT/Shehwag/Dravid/Sanga/YK/VVS/MoYo would have dominated in SC irrespective of opposition bowling unit. Moyo is one of the greatest bat in home conditions. They would have done reasonably well even outside SC due to SRT/Dravid/Sanga. Asia XI bowling would have done very well in SC and competitive outside.

Over all contest would have been lot closer but World XI wins it due to many ATG's from Aus team filling the spots.
 
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One thing's for sure, right now Asia xi is the weakest possible in atleast the last 20 years.... Wasim/ Waqar/ Tendulkar/ Murali alone would have made sure that it would be a close contest.. On the flip side, this is the strongest SA/ Eng xi ever, they make up 10 out of the 11... weakest OZ squad in ages.
 
have tried to include atleast 1 player from all teams

asia xi

dhawan
dilshan
pujara
sangakkara (w)
kohli
misbah (c)
nasir hussain
ashwin
ajmal
bk
junaid

row xi

cook
amla
kallis
kp
clarke (c)
chanderpaul
de villiers (w)
southee
swann
steyn
anderson

asia xi to win 3-0. ashwin & ajmal will blow them away in kolkata. in headingley, junaid & bk will be unplayable. in sydney, ashwin & ajmal will do the trick again before junaid & bk start things off :D as for batting, dhawan, pujara, kohli & misbah will take care of that department :D

asia xi looks a lot different now. 5 years ago & everyone would select sehwag, gambhir, tendulkar, dravid, laxman, younis khan, sangakkara(still there), zaheer, muralitharan, kumble, mohammad amir
 
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vandokkum said:
One thing's for sure, right now Asia xi is the weakest possible in atleast the last 20 years
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True.

Batting greats of India and fast bowling greats of Pakistan are not there. Then Murali is absent. So cupboard is empty right now. Team will lose majority of their games outside SC.
 
SC team 12 years would have destroyed most teams:

Murali
vaas
SRT
Wasim
Waqar

Damn, there were so many quality bowlers that even the likes of akhtar, kumble, saqlain had to be omitted.
 
vandokkum said:
Well, NZ and WI didn't get any picks... so. 7 years ago World xi would have been even stronger, with 6 out of 11 players being Aussies.. but Asia xi would have been a lot stronger
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I think chanderpaul could get a spot
 
too many slit writters

world xi would get demolished in asia

it would basically be asia vs south africa
 
Ajmal and herath is enough to beat world xi in asia no need for any pacers.
 
dilshan
iqbal
kohli
sangakarra
misbah ul haq
pujara
matthews
shakib
ajmal
herath
kulasekara/malinga
 
Vijay and Dilshan as the openers which I agree with, based on lack of options (lets face it, who else is going to play that role in an asian test 11, maybe Gambhir who is out of favour) really proves Asian cricket is currently in the shits.

Misbah should definitely be there and Perhaps Tamim/Shakib aswell for some Bangladesh representation
 
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vandokkum said:
Vijay is an opener, Misbah would have to replace one of the big guns to get in.. I guess he is now a better batsman than Jayawardene so he could replace him.
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Both have only 3 century each at international level but they are contender for a spot in Asia XI. LOL, Shows the current level.
 
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Buffet said:
Both have only 3 century each at international level but they are contender for a spot in Asia XI. LOL, Shows the current level.
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lol, I was scratching my head trying to think of an opener in the asia xi :farhat
 
vandokkum said:
lol, I was scratching my head trying to think of an opener in the asia xi :farhat
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OK , may be for openers you are running out of options. SC normally had problem in producing great openers but SC has produced many ATG's/Great middle order bat. Now even for middle order we have Misbah as a contender who has only 3 international century in 150+ international games.
 
Buffet said:
OK , may be for openers you are running out of options. SC normally had problem in producing great openers but SC has produced many ATG's/Great middle order bat. Now even for middle order we have Misbah as a contender who has only 3 international century in 150+ international games.
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Well, it makes sense that new generation of cricketers are more interested in the shorter versions, I doubt we will ever see another Gavaskar/ Dravid/ Anwar anytime soon.. Likes of Murali vijay and Dilshan would have been eaten for breakfast by the bowlers in the 80's and 90's..
 
The problem for Asian teams is that they dont have a bowling attack to compete outside Asia. They would get slaughtered.

The same in Asia too to be honest albeit being slightly competitive. You have Amla, Kallis who play good spin bowling very well to some extent Cook i'd ask one/two these guys drop anchor and then AB, Clarke and KP would come in and attack. It would not be a contest to be honest. I would love to see Swann in this attack thats for sure
 
The thing is that the outcome of this game would probably be based on where it is played. If it was played in Asia, then I think that Asia would win. If the match was played in say South Africa or England, then the Asian XI would probably be out matched.
 
World

1. Cook
2. Smith
3. Amla
4. Kallis
5. Clarke
6. KP
7. De Villiers+
8. Swan
9. Anderson
10. Steyn
11. Phillander

12 Monty

Can't see it losing anywhere.
 
Convict said:
World

1. Cook
2. Smith
3. Amla
4. Kallis
5. Clarke
6. KP
7. De Villiers+
8. Swan
9. Anderson
10. Steyn
11. Phillander

12 Monty

Can't see it losing anywhere.
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The world xi pretty much picks itself, the Asia xi not so much. Never thought I would ever see an Asia xi without tendulkar while he is still playing
 
vandokkum said:
The world xi pretty much picks itself, the Asia xi not so much. Never thought I would ever see an Asia xi without tendulkar while he is still playing
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Actually he is really in decline in last few years but to keep some perspective, Last 3 years: 2390 runs @ 45.96

Last 2 years, he has been really poor( Avg lower 30s) but then guy like Jayawardene, who is a contender for Asia XI, has been equally poor (avg 31-32) in last 2 years but some how no one notices that.
 
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I am surprised that no-one considered Vettori. He is an effective SLA who can bat as well. Has more centuries than half of the batsman in the BD test team :yk
 
World XI would be far stronger afraid to say. Only one guy would get into the best XI now out of Asia and that's Ajmal. Maybe Sangakaara too, but that's only maybe. Weakest Asian XI in ages.

I'd substitute Sydney with the Oval to make it fair. Wherever in Australia, playing there is hard for subcontinent teams. Oval on the other hand, subcontinent teams generally find it a bit more similar. And given there's quite a lot of English players in the World XI who should be used to the oval, it'll even out.

We'd win in Asia simply because the batsmen will be better suited to playing spin in asian conditions. Lose everywhere else.
 
What do South Africa, England and Australia have in common? If anything it should be An Asia 11 vs Africa 11 (South Africa and Zimbos), vs Europe 11 (England and Ireland), et cetera.
 
Unfortunately, there are not many international class batsmen present in Asia at this point of time! Especially India. Only Pujara and maybe Dhoni will feature in the final Asian XI from our side :(
 
The asia XI mentioned in the OP would be stripped naked and spanked by that world XI team.

My Asia XI would be:

gambhir or tamim
pujara
Younis
sangakara (wk)(c)
jayawardane
misbah
shakib
ajmal
junaid
irfan
umesh yadav (couldnt find one fast bowler who fits in the role of a 3rd seamer so i went for pace, he cant be expensive in tests)

bench : herath, bhuvneshwar, kohli, asad shafiq.

Mediocre/unproven openers, solid middle and lower order, good spin options and talented but unproven quicks. Even then world XI would be hard to beat.
 
Sandeep99 said:
Unfortunately, there are not many international class batsmen present in Asia at this point of time! Especially India. Only Pujara and maybe Dhoni will feature in the final Asian XI from our side :(
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You forgot Sir Jadeja. He can easily destroy the World XI :yk
 
Asia XI cannot beat SA XI atm. There is no chance against World XI. They may win at Kolkata and make it 2-1. With all the three teams India, Pakistan and Srilanka having lots of new players and in transition, this was to be expected.
 
Probably asia XI for me would be:

Dilshan
Hafeez
Kohli
Younus
Sangakarra
Misbah (C)
Dhoni (WK)
Herath
Ajmal
Junaid
Irfan

Would win the first and lose the other two.
 
mussu-100 said:
Probably asia XI for me would be:

Dilshan
Hafeez
Kohli
Younus
Sangakarra
Misbah (C)
Dhoni (WK)
Herath
Ajmal
Junaid
Irfan

Would win the first and lose the other two.
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Top order is atrocious compared to
Cook
Smith
Amla
Kallis
Clarke
AB
 
looking at the current asian xi, compare this to asia xis of the past

asia xi 2009

sehwag
gambhir
dravid
tendulkar
sangakkara(w)
younis khan
laxman
kumble
muralitharan
zaheer khan
asif

asia xi 2000

jayasurya
anwar
dravid
tendulkar
inzamam
mohammad yousuf
moin khan(w)
wasim
waqar
kumble
muralitharan

those were the days
 
Asia XI

1. Kumar Sangakara (C)
2. Virat Kohli
3. Jayawardena
4. Younis Khan
5. Shakib
6. MS Dhoni (wk)
7. Angelo Mathews
8. Saeed Ajmal
9. Rangan Herath
10. Junaid Khan
11. M Irfan

World XI

1. Hashim Amla
2. Alaistair Cook
3. Michael Clark (C)
4. AB Develiers (wk)
5. Chris Gayle
6. Shane Watson
7. Jacques Kallis
8. James Anderson
9. Dale Steyn
10. Sunil Narine
11. Swann

What will happen if test match is at Abu Dhabi
 
Robert said:
I would have ABDV as a batter alone, drop KP and bring in Prior as keeper.
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But if you let AB keep you can get a better batsman in. Prior ain't a good enough bat alone to get in to a World XI. Think the team would be stronger with AB keeping. AB batting + keeping is better than Prior batting + keeping.
 
ads101 said:
But if you let AB keep you can get a better batsman in. Prior ain't a good enough bat alone to get in to a World XI. Think the team would be stronger with AB keeping. AB batting + keeping is better than Prior batting + keeping.
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Well, that's the old argument about whether to have the better keeper or the better batter. I would go for the better keeper because he will take more catches and stumpings and restrict the oppo - it's an attacking move. I though England were stronger with Stewart batting and Russell keeping wicket, for example. Plus the ROW XI has Swann, and ABDV won't know how to keep to him!
 
infinity said:
Asia XI

1. Kumar Sangakara (C)
2. Virat Kohli
3. Jayawardena
4. Younis Khan
5. Shakib
6. MS Dhoni (wk)
7. Angelo Mathews
8. Saeed Ajmal
9. Rangan Herath
10. Junaid Khan
11. M Irfan

World XI

1. Hashim Amla
2. Alaistair Cook
3. Michael Clark (C)
4. AB Develiers (wk)
5. Chris Gayle
6. Shane Watson
7. Jacques Kallis
8. James Anderson
9. Dale Steyn
10. Sunil Narine
11. Swann

What will happen if test match is at Abu Dhabi
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narine ahead of philander & southee :O narine isnt even in the west indies test team now
 
amit said:
narine ahead of philander & southee :O narine isnt even in the west indies test team now
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COMBINATION of both teams ...... if you look closely you will notice that combination of both teams is close to similarity ............... and another aspect of playing at abu dhabi you should have two spinners ......... WI should give narine a attest go if he is not there than it is WI fault IMO ................. likewise IMO you need aggressive players in the middle such players who can play aggressive shots for longer span of time on crease that Is why gayle was there .......
 
vandokkum said:
Would be fun to have a test series, India/ Pakistan/ SL and Bd vs Eng/ SA/ Aus/ NZ/ WI.

Post your xi's and winner. It will be a 3 match series, first match in Kolkata (turning pitch not dustbowl), second match at Headingley (good seamer condition but not green track) and final match in Sydney(assisting seamers first then turn later) so there is no home advantage.

Asia xi- Dilshan
Vijay
Sangakkara
Pujara
Younis
Jayawardene (captain)
Dhoni (wk)
Junaid
Irfan
Ajmal
Herath

World xi- Cook
Smith
Amla
KP
Kallis
Clarke (captain)
de villiers (wk)
Philander
Swann
Steyn
Anderson.
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my teams

Asian XI

G Ganmbir
M jawawerdene
V Kohli
Misbah
Younis
Sangakara (C)
Shakib
U gul
Jkhan
S ajmal
R herath

World xi

H amla
A cook
J Kallis
M clarke
K peterson
AB Devilliors (c)
S watson
Steyn
Philander
anderson
swann

Comments please
 
my teams

(Asian XI)

G Ganmbir
M jawawerdene
V Kohli
Misbah
Younis
Sangakara (C)
Shakib
U gul
Jkhan
S ajmal
R herath

(World x1 )

H amla
A cook
J Kallis
M clarke
K peterson
AB Devilliors (c)
S watson
Steyn
Philander
Anserson
Swann


comments please about my selection
 
that row xi is rubbish compared to ones years ago when you had warne, mcgrath and openers like hayden, kirsten, vaughan etc
 
chacha kashmiri said:
that row xi is rubbish compared to ones years ago when you had warne, mcgrath and openers like hayden, kirsten, vaughan etc
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It's still some distance better than the Asia xi, the old Asia xi was comparable with previous world xi.
 
Asian XI

Pujara
Dhawan
Sanga
YK
Kohli
Dhoni
Matthews/Jadeja
Ajmal
Junaid
Herath
Irfan

World XI

Smith
Cook
Amla
Kallis
KP
Clarke
AB
Swan
Phillander
Anderson/Monty
Steyn

On a spinning wicket the Asian XI would be slight favourites me thinks. Other than that the World XI has too much firepower.
 
You know how weak Asia XI is, when guys like N Hossain, Dhawan, Irfan, Vijay who have played handful of tests are getting picked in the squads :))
 
A really poor comparison really, you know who is going to win that by a huge margin

A better comparison would be SA XI[World no 1 side] vs World XI.

Cook
Dilshan
Sangakara
Clarke
KP
Chanderpaul
Matt Prior
Ajmal
Roach
Siddle
Anderson

vs SA XI

This match would be really interesting, and competitive.
 
shah_1 said:
A really poor comparison really, you know who is going to win that by a huge margin

A better comparison would be SA XI[World no 1 side] vs World XI.

Cook
Dilshan
Sangakara
Clarke
KP
Chanderpaul
Matt Prior
Ajmal
Roach
Siddle
Anderson

vs SA XI

This match would be really interesting, and competitive.
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Junaid should be in for Roach, otherwise this is what the World XI should be like.
 
If an ODI match is on Sub Continent pitches
World XI
Brendon Mc Cullum
AB De Villiers(wk)
Amla
Pietersen(vice captain)
Clarke(captain)
Kallis
Watson
James Anderson
Dale Steyn
Graeme Swan
Daniel Vettori

Asia XI
Pujara
Tamim Iqbal
Kholi
YK(vice captain)
Sangakkara(captain)
Angelo Mathews
Shakib-ul-Hasan
Junaid Khan
Malinga
Saeed Ajmal
Muhammad Irfan
 
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If a test cricket is in English conditions
Asia XI
Jayawardane
Kholi
YK
Sangakarra(Vice captain)
Misbah-ul-Haq(Captain)
Rohit Sharma
Irfan Pathan
Junaid Khan
Umer Gul
Kulasekra
Saeed Ajmal

World XI
Cook
Smith
Amla
KP
Clarke
Watson
Prior
Anderson
Steyn
Philander
Graeme Swaan
 
If a T-20 is in Batting friendly pitch
World XI
Gayle
Hussey
AB De Villiers(captain)
KP
Brendon Mc Cullum
Bravo
Watson
Sunil Narine
Morne Morkel
Anderson
Roach

Asia XI
Dilshan
Ahmed Shehzad
Kholi
Raina
Muhammad Hafeez(vice Captain)
M.S Dhoni(Captain)
Shahid Afridi
Kumar
Gul
Malinga
Ajmal
 
non-Asian xi

1.Barry Richards
2.Len Hutton
3.Don Bradman (C)
4.Viv Richards
5.Brian Lara
6.Gary Sobers
7.Adam Gilchrist (W)
8.Shane Warne
9.Malcolm Marshall
10.Dennis Lillee
11.Glen Mcgrath


Asian xi

Sunil Gavaskar
Vinoo Mankad
Rahul Dravid
Sachin Tendulkar
Javed Miandad
Kumar Sangakaara (W)
Kapil Dev
Imran Khan (C)
Wasim Akram
Murlitharan
Waqar Younus



On an overseas or neutral pitch I would back Non-Asian xi.On a sub-continent track I would back Asian xi.Close finishes with margins not more than 25 runs or 3 wickets .
 
On a turner, nonAsian should drop a quick and get in Laker. But which quick?

In England I would want Trueman in for McGrath. Maybe Lindwall in for Lillee.
 
If there was a 6-test series with the venues being Mumbai, Melbourne, Lord's, Cape Town, Trinidad and Lahore.... Asian XI would win by 4-2 or at worse 3-2.
 
I would back the Asian team to win in Spinning conditions. The non Asian team would not be able to handle Murali, wheras the Asian XI have a few good players of spin.

Even in English/Australian conditions, the 2 W’s and Imran would wreck havoc with Kapil and Murali giving them breathers and allowing them to bowl fast and furious spells! Tough to say, but I would back the asian XI.
 
Also... Also... this side would be stronger with Hanif Mohammad/Saeed anwar or Sehwag opening instead of Mankad
 
Why would you have an All Time Asian XI with only one spinner in the side?

If playing in the SC I would play Kumble instead of Imran and have Kapil as captain. If the match is in a SENA nation then OP's team is fine.
 
the_outsider said:
Why would you have an All Time Asian XI with only one spinner in the side?

If playing in the SC I would play Kumble instead of Imran and have Kapil as captain. If the match is in a SENA nation then OP's team is fine.
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Surely Kapil goes? Khan being better in every way?
 
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