Analysing Australia's capitulation... and prospects

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The capitulation of Australia to South Africa at Hobart and at Perth has been extraordinary. This is, after all, a South African team that was convincingly beaten at home by a mediocre England team less than a year ago.

But what have we actually just witnessed? And should Pakistan be counting their chickens?

The Aussie bowling is okay. Not great, but okay
The Aussie bowlers, shorn of their two fastest bowlers in Cummins and Pattinson, have actually done fine. They have restricted South Africa to scores of:

242
540-8d
326

Starc and Hazlewood have been excellent, but the third seamer is a weak link and Nathan Lyon is a deeply mediocre off-spinner who can't bat.

Half the batting is just fine
The problem, of course, is the batting. But even there, Dave Warner, Steve Smith and Usman Khawaja have been fine, while Shaun Marsh was good too until he broke a finger.

So the malaise seems to be traceable back to three positions: Numbers 5, 6 and 7.

Adam Voges was never good enough to get into the Test team even in his twenties, and it is illuminating that over the last decade the selectors only came to him after trying out Andrew Symonds (who was never really a Test batsman), Rob Quiney and Alex Doolan.

Voges was called up in the hope that he could emulate Mike Hussey and Chris Rogers as mature veterans to stabilise the team. And at his age he's great on flat tracks. But his failure on livelier pitches not only means the end for him, but raises huge questions against Misbah-ul-Haq and Younis Khan Down Under.

The number 6 position is a worry too. I still think it was an error to throw Mitch Marsh overboard, because [MENTION=132373]Convict[/MENTION] has warned us for years that Callum Ferguson is a mediocre batsman, and the balance that Marsh gives is sorely missed.

As for Peter Nevill, he was brilliantly compared by [MENTION=136729]Suleiman[/MENTION] to Adnan Akmal. I hadn't thought of it, but it's a perfect comparison: two tidy keepers whose batting is the poor end of mediocre.

The historical context
I have seen teams in this situation before. And I don't mean the mid-1980's Australia: they were different because ATG's had just retired (Lillee, Marsh, Chappell), terrific new players were emerging (the Waughs, Dean Jones, Mark Taylor, Craig McDermott, David Boon) and the disappearance of mediocre older players to Rebel tours of Apartheid-era South Africa meant that the youngsters got a long run in the team, even though they lost for a couple of years.

In 1992-93 Australia was two runs away from defeating the West Indies at Adelaide to topple them as world champions, but lost by 1 run. They then fell apart at Perth and were beaten in the final Test within 7 sessions - just like today.

The selectors kept their nerve, and the team moved on to an away Ashes series which was won by Shane Warne's "Ball of the Century" to Mike Gatting, which cracked English morale and led to a 4-1 victory.

Contrast that with England in the 1980's. They won the Ashes Down Under in 1986-87 and then pushed the world's second best (or possibly joint best) team, the Pakistanis, close in home and away series in 1987.

But the following summer they were demolished by a moderate West Indies team in large part because the selectors lost their minds and created the "Summer of Four Captains", and the team fell apart with the turmoil.

The following summer England expected to retain The Ashes, but a very ordinary Aussie bowling attack achieved a 4-0 victory in England because of the same never-ending selectorial Merry-Go-Round.

Where to now for Australia?
The team is at a crossroads.

Four players are secure: Warner, Smith, Starc and Hazlewood. Not just secure, but potential matchwinners.

Two more players - Lyon and Khawaja - have arguably done enough to stay in the team.

I'd rather see Glenn Maxwell than Nathan Lyon in the team - what's the point of a spinner who can't bat, but also can't bowl in Asia? But that's not going to happen.

So the first question is whether the selectors replace 5 players now (second opener, Voges at Number 5, Number 6, third seamer, wicketkeeper) or whether they toss aside Nathan Lyon too.

And the second question is whether they pursue their insane attachment to veteran debutants - now including Callum Ferguson - instead of youngsters. Do they really think they can clone Mike Hussey?

It's pretty clear now that Matthew Wade will replace Peter Nevill as wicketkeeper. But nobody else really screams out for selection. The cupboard is bare.

What are Pakistan's prospects?
I think that Pakistan will be in trouble if Australia keep their nerve and produce greentops for the back-to-back Day/Night Tests v South Africa and Pakistan.

Australia would negate their weakness - low scores - and have Pink Ball specialists like the huge left-armer Jason Behrendorff who could hurt the opposition under lights.

A grassless future of high-scoring draws?
I think that Cricket Australia's hierarchy is too damaged to take the risk of losing the toss on greentops in the Day/Night Tests. I think we will see grassless tracks which turn the pink ball into a rag and see huge scores amassed. That will damage the attendances and future of Pink Ball cricket, but James Sutherland and Pat Howard and even Darren Lehmann have careers and large salaries to protect.

The irony, of course, is that grassless pitches give Misbah, Younis and even Hafeez a chance to survive and score runs.

Is something else going on?
The 1989 England team fell apart in the Ashes while secret negotiations for a Rebel Tour of South Africa were going on.

The Aussie team half a decade earlier was doing the same things.

I don't want to be moderated, but the 1992-1999 Pakistanis underperformed at times when some of the team were suspected of fixing.

I don't see how a team with a good top order linked to a dodgy lower-middle order can keep collapsing like this.

It's only 11 days ago that Australia was 158-0 in reply to South Africa's 242 all out in the First Test.......only to collapse to 244 all out.

And now, in the last four days they have produced an 85 all out which is MUCH worse than it looks - remember that Smith scored 48 not out, the rest made 36-9 - followed by losing 8 wickets for 40 runs today.

Obviously morale is bad. Self-confidence is bad. Belief is absent.

On the first evening of the match Darren Lehmann hinted that the players felt that Mitch Marsh had been lied to by the selectors about being given two Tests before he would be dropped.

And today, after the match, Steve Smith made clear that this is not the team selection that he wanted.

This capitulation is not just about 5 mediocre players in a team with 4 Test superstars.

Something is rotten at the heart of this team. And it will be interesting to watch this unfold.

Watch out Pakistan!
But Pakistan should be careful. Whichever Aussies take the field against them will be used to the conditions, and will have a lot to prove.

And Australia will still have 4 absolute Test match-winners in the team in the shape of Starc, Hazlewood, Smith and Warner.
 
South Africa beating Australia ... Good or bad for Pakistan?

Perhaps good that they are demoralized now...

If not then why?
 
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Bad from rankings POV. Australia's loss means that they lose ranking point meaning that Pakistan will get less points for their wins there and lose more for losses.

And as far as a morale is concerned, I will wait for the final test and the series between NZ and Pak to get over before reading anything into it.
 
Bad because now they field a better team.

Which is also good for cricket because it means there will be a better contest.

So neutral really, your fate is in your own hands.
 
Bad because now they field a better team.

Which is also good for cricket because it means there will be a better contest.

So neutral really, your fate is in your own hands.

Perhaps they are already fielding their best XI
 
That is what I was dreading.

If we win in Australia which is a big if, we won't gain much points because Australia will be ranked so low. And if we lose which is most probably going to be the case, we'll lose so many points.

This is just sad.
 
These are thought to be the next guys in line:

Wicketkeeper
Matthew Wade, First Class season so far.......
78 + 26
3

Middle-order batsmen
Kurtis Patterson (left-handed number 4)
111 + 38
60 + 13

Travis Head (left-handed number 4 - with a First Class average of just 33, who bowls off-spin)
66
43

Jake Lehmann (yes, his son. Another leftie)
29
129*

Openers
Cameron Bancroft (the Aussie equivalent of Baby Boycott)
20 + 17
22 + 6

Medium-pacers
Chadd Sayers (bowls outswing at 127K)
2-51 and 4-57
6-32 and 5-44

Jackson Bird
3-75 and 3-59
2-68

As I wrote, the cupboard is pretty bare.
 
That is what I was dreading.

If we win in Australia which is a big if, we won't gain much points because Australia will be ranked so low. And if we lose which is most probably going to be the case, we'll lose so many points.

This is just sad.

Rankings don't matter if we win, beating Australia in Australia is something no Asian team has come even close to doing.
 
Aussies losing to S.A is a good thing, It just shows that Australia are just as vulnerable at home now as they are away. pakistans bowlers could destroy Aussie batting as well, so its even more imperative that our batsmen score heavily during the series to give us chances of winning tests.
 
@ The OP, from an India point of view it's definitely a matter of concern :yk
 
As a lifelong Australian and South African hater, I don't know if I should be happy or sad.

Anyhow, I think it's kind of bad for Pakistan. Australia seems to have pushed the panic button and I don't see them playing poor cricket in three consecutive series.

We were always going to lose the Australian series but now they might be even more motivated to prove a point.

3-0 or 2-0 to Australia.
 
As a lifelong Australian and South African hater, I don't know if I should be happy or sad.

Anyhow, I think it's kind of bad for Pakistan. Australia seems to have pushed the panic button and I don't see them playing poor cricket in three consecutive series.

We were always going to lose the Australian series but now they might be even more motivated to prove a point.

3-0 or 2-0 to Australia.

We will win at least 1 test if not draw the series
 
Looking at it dispassionately as a Pakistani cricketer or coach: it's good for Pakistan. Theoretically Australia are demoralized and every loss increases the pressure on the team and Managment.
Whether Misbah's Pakistan are professional enough to exploit it, remains to be seen.
 
Australia will never have 3 poor series in a row and 2 consecutive at home we are in for a beating.
 
I think we will win 1 Test in Aus. But the series might be too far for us because our bowling is too inconsistent to consistently take 20 wickets. This technically is still the Aussie winter so thats why we are seeing a lil more rain and clouds around in this current series against SA. When we play them it will be the peak of the Aussie summer and we will get flatter grassless bouncy phattas that will maximise the Aussies strengths. After this debacle i suspect we will get a return to those type of tracks. If we get the traditional Aussie summer tracks if the last 3 or 4 years then i suspect the Aussies to win. But we can push them all the way.
 
The first test becomes even more crucial as it is also a day nighter, Pak have to be well prepared/hit the ground running and go for a win here. This should be a result wkt and we should aim to keep the pressure that Aussies will no doubt be under. A poor first session by Pak and the pendulum could swing very quickly.
 
I think we will win 1 Test in Aus. But the series might be too far for us because our bowling is too inconsistent to consistently take 20 wickets. This technically is still the Aussie winter so thats why we are seeing a lil more rain and clouds around in this current series against SA. When we play them it will be the peak of the Aussie summer and we will get flatter grassless bouncy phattas that will maximise the Aussies strengths. After this debacle i suspect we will get a return to those type of tracks. If we get the traditional Aussie summer tracks if the last 3 or 4 years then i suspect the Aussies to win. But we can push them all the way.
I'm in Australia, and I would respectfully point out that you have misunderstood the weather.

There are hot cities - Perth and Brisbane and Adelaide - and there are ones which can be cool and damp - notably Hobart and Sydney.

It's already oppressively hot in Brisbane, where Pakistan plays the First Test in 4 weeks.

There will be big climatic differences between Adelaide and Brisbane for the two upcoming Day/Night Tests, as follows:

Adelaide Day/Night Test v South Africa
- usually hot and dry in late November.
- sun sets around 7-730 pm, so the final session has one hour of twilight and one hour of darkness.

Brisbane Day/Night Test v Pakistan
- hot but very humid in December.
- frequent evening thunderstorms.
- different time zone and location nearer the Equator means that the sun sets in December around 6.10 pm, so the middle session has an hour of twilight and the final session is in the dark.

If Cricket Australia order the removal of the grass, the Pink Ball will fall apart and nobody will be dismissed.
 
Agreed, but our batters haven't been able to cope with bounce and pressure and our bowlers have only been marginally better. Maybe PK can really come to the party in Aus.

This is as good a chance as any Pak team has had to win a test series in Australia. Insha Allah they can finally lay that ghost to rest. Would be a fitting end to Misbah's reign.
 
Agreed, but our batters haven't been able to cope with bounce and pressure and our bowlers have only been marginally better. Maybe PK can really come to the party in Aus.

Gabba is the only bouncy wicket we play on. We should be able to adapt to Melbourne and Sydney having played at the Oval and OT.
 
Its not as if we haven't had chances but the Aussies always find a way to win against us. We had a great chance in the boxing day test in 2004, we fell to pieces in 2010 at Sydney , and they chased down 370 against one of the strongest attacks we have ever fielded in 99 at Hobert.
 
Its not as if we haven't had chances but the Aussies always find a way to win against us. We had a great chance in the boxing day test in 2004, we fell to pieces in 2010 at Sydney , and they chased down 370 against one of the strongest attacks we have ever fielded in 99 at Hobert.

I don't think you can take at face value any of the tours in 99-00, 04-05 and 09-10.

I think they all have the taint of suspicious events. The least suspicious was 04-05, but I attended most of the 99-00 and 09-10 series, and if I wasn't afraid of being moderated I could identify specific moments which I thought were suspicious.

In fact, you know what, without naming names I'll give you some pointers.

In 1999-2000, Pakistan batted first at the Gabba against what looks at first like an ATG team until you realize that two of the Aussies wouldn't have got into the Zimbabwe team - Greg Blewett opening and Scott Muller as third seamer.

Pakistan was 260-3 when the second new ball arrived, then subsided to 367 all out.

Australia then scored 575 while two of the Pakistani bowlers were totally out of sorts.

Pakistan was then 223-4 at the end of Day 4, effectively 15-4 but with lots of batting left: Saeed Anwar, Abdul Razzaq, Azhar Mahmood, Moin Khan , Wasim Akram - all of whom made Test centuries in their careers.

Yet the first ball of the day saw a dismissal so absurd that it was hard to believe, while the rest collapsed on an easy batting wicket like a sack of spuds. They lost the last 6 wickets for 58 runs.

The second Test was suspicious too: Australia scored the third highest run chase in history to reach 369-6 having been 140-5 overnight.

As for the final Test, that was decided the moment that Mohammad Akram was selected in place of Waqar Younis, who had been really good in the previous Test.

I have named nobody in this post. I hope it survives moderation, because people who are younger would look at the scorecards and not see the suspiciousness of these matches.

I should add too that I don't think that the suspicious behavior was limited to Pakistan.
 
For all those who are thinking Australia are their weakest point right now and this is our best opportunity - I will point out that we have played several not so great Australian teams before and got hammered each time.

We seem to have a mental block against them - esp in Tests. We just have to overcome that but I don't see ti happening.

Fully expect us to lose 2-0 or 3-0. Hope I am wrong....
 
Has it ever happened before where Australian performance is so consistently bad that the English can't just help enjoying it?

:rp
They were pretty bad in the mid-eighties after their rebels were banned, though I always liked Border and often felt sorry for him. There he was, jaw jutting, grinding out ton after ton while his side disintegrated. I was glad that he played through to the revival. The best Aussie batter I ever saw, perhaps slightly behind Greg Chappell.
 
I'll bring up my thoughts on our player pool soon
 
I'll bring up my thoughts on our player pool soon
Can't wait, but nail your exams first!

I'm most disappointed at Cam Bancroft losing his way. I had high hopes for him, but he just seems stuck.

I honestly think that there is a core that should be persisted with:

1. Dave Warner
2. Shaun Marsh
3. Usman Khawaja
4. Steve Smith
5. ? JAKE LEHMANN
6. Mitch Marsh
7. Matthew Wade (wk)
8. SPIN VACANCY
9. Mitch Starc
10. Pat Cummins / James Pattinson
11. Josh Hazlewood
 
From an outsiders perspective:

Australia seemed to have pressed hard on the panic button and it got stuck in the 'engaged' position. They are trying too many things too soon. Giving debuts to two or three kids in a series decider is a prime example of a team and camp under severe duress.

Throwing kids in the deep end was never really the Aussie way until very recently. In most cases cricketers were developed in their superior domestic system and then slowly and steadily inducted into the side if a vacancy opened up.

This chopping and changing is more of a Pakistani way of playing cricket.

For starters, Australia need to calm down and understand that the era of unabated Aussie domination is long gone. They should expect series defeat and some wholesale whooping for the next couple of years until they assemble a competent side again.

The cricket board should also do a thorough inquiry of the curator and what was his intention of making a green pitch when the overhead conditions were also going to be rainy/overcast and hence would aid swing bowling. That was in my opinion the final nail in the coffin, since South Africans are brought up playing in these conditions and infact must have felt more at "home" than the Aussies themselves.

Next thing they need to do is figure out who are the folks that can carry the side into the latter half of this decade and beyond. The players who are sure starters at the moment are Warner, Smith, Starc, Hazelwood and perhaps Khawaja.

With these five atleast they have a solid top order and a competitive pace attack (albeit injury prone). The question is who are the other six names that will be in the side to either restore the team to its old glory to continue its descent towards the bottom of the rankings.
 
Nathan Lyon is an excellent spinner and i amazed that people are calling for his head. Wade is a terrible WK but can bat, it remains to be seen if his batting outweighs the mistakes behind the stumps.For me Maxwell got to play in Ind for his batting remains dangerous at 6 or 7, and PT off spin
 
First and foremost the side England beat is completely different to the current SA side.
We had no opening partnership to speak of. Van Zyl was dead weight. Rabada virtually had no support.
QdK didn't play until the final Test.
Philander injured.
Even then Rabada didn't play the first Test in Durban. Steyn got injured during the Durban Test too.


The whole side was unsettled and a mess. It didn't help that AB was out of form, so was Faf. At one stage Amla was batting at 4 then it changed back to three with AB at four despite him being a five.

Three of the players I've mentioned above were instrumental in winning the current series in Australia namely Vern, Rabada and QdK. Two of those didn't figure much in the England series.
The opening paragraph lacks context, which isn't surprising i must say.


As for the psychobabble regarding Australia's disintegration, I'd hold my horses considering they've lost for the first time at home in four years and prior to the Lanka series were ranked the no.1 side in the world.
The OP declared in 2012 Steyn was done, we all know how that panned out. Always puts the cart before the horse.
 
As a lifelong Australian and South African hater, I don't know if I should be happy or sad.

Anyhow, I think it's kind of bad for Pakistan. Australia seems to have pushed the panic button and I don't see them playing poor cricket in three consecutive series.

We were always going to lose the Australian series but now they might be even more motivated to prove a point.

3-0 or 2-0 to Australia.

Given on how I predicted about Donald Trumps and Election and in Light of how you predict cricket scorelines, I would say I am pretty confident now [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] Bhai :p
 
Given on how I predicted about Donald Trumps and Election and in Light of how you predict cricket scorelines, I would say I am pretty confident now [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] Bhai :p

InshAllah.
 
From an outsiders perspective:

Australia seemed to have pressed hard on the panic button and it got stuck in the 'engaged' position. They are trying too many things too soon. Giving debuts to two or three kids in a series decider is a prime example of a team and camp under severe duress.

Throwing kids in the deep end was never really the Aussie way until very recently. In most cases cricketers were developed in their superior domestic system and then slowly and steadily inducted into the side if a vacancy opened up.

This chopping and changing is more of a Pakistani way of playing cricket.

For starters, Australia need to calm down and understand that the era of unabated Aussie domination is long gone. They should expect series defeat and some wholesale whooping for the next couple of years until they assemble a competent side again.

The cricket board should also do a thorough inquiry of the curator and what was his intention of making a green pitch when the overhead conditions were also going to be rainy/overcast and hence would aid swing bowling. That was in my opinion the final nail in the coffin, since South Africans are brought up playing in these conditions and infact must have felt more at "home" than the Aussies themselves.

Next thing they need to do is figure out who are the folks that can carry the side into the latter half of this decade and beyond. The players who are sure starters at the moment are Warner, Smith, Starc, Hazelwood and perhaps Khawaja.

With these five atleast they have a solid top order and a competitive pace attack (albeit injury prone). The question is who are the other six names that will be in the side to either restore the team to its old glory to continue its descent towards the bottom of the rankings.

Problem is they have too many lulloos in their XI.

So chopping needs to be done.

If you have a player with strong basics, then sticking with him will reap benefits.
 
apparently voges got hit in the head and now has a concussion.
 
apparently voges got hit in the head and now has a concussion.

Yep. Seeing footage and it's clear that his reflexes and eyesight have gone.

It can happen quickly at his age.
 
Yeah, Misbah and Younis might struggle too.

It's a shame: Voges was a terrific professional.
 
Who is Chad Sayyers? Is he as good as his numbers, i.e., worthy of getting a look-in?

Medium-fast swing bowler.

Lehmann hates selecting quicks slower than 140K, as indeed does Mickey Arthur. He has tried to avoid selecting them, but as quicker bowlers have got injured the likes of Bird and Siddle have had to be picked.
 
Medium-fast swing bowler.

Lehmann hates selecting quicks slower than 140K, as indeed does Mickey Arthur. He has tried to avoid selecting them, but as quicker bowlers have got injured the likes of Bird and Siddle have had to be picked.

Thanks....maybe they can use him for the day night tests? The folks rating him say he can do a Terry Alderman type job?
 
Only Major Advantage for series is that 1st test is at the Gabba and Aussies always do well there.. but if pakistan cause an upset on the most unlikely venue they are expected to do well at then the wheels could well and truely come off for Australia for rest of the series. For Any sort of confidence boost Winning 1st test of series is a must for Australia.
 
Only Major Advantage for series is that 1st test is at the Gabba and Aussies always do well there.. but if pakistan cause an upset on the most unlikely venue they are expected to do well at then the wheels could well and truely come off for Australia for rest of the series. For Any sort of confidence boost Winning 1st test of series is a must for Australia.

Parking aside the usual mental block that Pakistan has against Australia. I think the venue thing is overrated, especially in light of Australia's current performances. If Pakistan bat well, they will win.
 
I wonder what Mickey Arthur must make of Australia's travails
 
Problem is they have too many lulloos in their XI.

So chopping needs to be done.

If you have a player with strong basics, then sticking with him will reap benefits.

Smith, Warner and Khawaja are the only players who inspire any confidence atm, the rest are as you say, lulloos (whatever that means).
 
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