Anders Breivik killed 77 received 21 year sentence - now suing for cold coffee, no moisturiser

[Yossarian]

His prison cell at Skien prison is a nice, warm furnished en-suite bedroom, including a TV and computer but poor fellow has no access to the internet (to Skype his mates on the outside).

He is now suing the Norwegian government of breaching two clauses of the European Convention on Human Rights.

His grievances:

* He is 'stressed' by being in prison

* He is being denied "private and family life" and "correspondence"

* In a letter to prison authorities, he said:

...... his cell was poorly decorated and had no view.

...... He also complained that his coffee was served cold,

...... he did not have enough butter for his bread,

...... and he was not allowed moisturiser.

...... He said the harsh prison conditions had forced him to drop out of a political science course at the University of Oslo

Breivik killed 77 people in 2011 when he bombed central Oslo before going on a shooting spree at a Labour Youth camp on the island of Utoya.

His prison cell.



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35807961

Poor fella. Such harsh conditions.

 

[Thivagar]

Scandinavians take these liberal thing way too far.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Scandinavians take these liberal thing way too far.

Haha...can't disagree with that.

What the hell is that prison?

Some picnic spot?

 

[street cricketer]

Gee, and I was thinking prisons look like this.



If such prisons were available in India, the jail authorities would have had their hands tied with thousands of applications for entry.

 

[90MPH]

He's a twisted lunatic that should never be released.

 

[Markhor]

Has he not considered the stress and torture the families of the 77 are going through ? Also this scumbag was photographed making a Nazi salute at his hearing, he's learned nothing.

Scandinavians take these liberal thing way too far.

Thing is, it works for them. Their recidivism rate is much lower than the likes of the UK/US.

 

[Yossarian]

Haha...can't disagree with that.

What the hell is that prison?

Some picnic spot?

It's better than many hotels I've stayed in - and I'm talking about on (generous) company expenses!

 

[Yossarian]

He's a twisted lunatic that should never be released.

He could actually be released in 9 years time.

In Norway, it's possible to be released after serving 2/3rd of the sentence.

It is possible to be released on license after having served two-thirds of the sentence and a minimum of 74 days

http://www.kriminalomsorgen.no/information-in-english.265199.no.html

* He was sentenced to 21 years in jail.
* 2/3rd of that means 14 years for killing 77 people. (equal to just over 2 months (ie 66 days) per person murdered)
* He was arrested in 2011, although sentenced in 2012, meaning he has already served 5 years (including time in custody).
* So could be released in 2025.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I have never been to Norway.If the jails are this good then i wonder how good is the actual place.

 

[dhump]

I have never been to Norway.If the jails are this good then i wonder how good is the actual place.

Not much different actually same as the jail looks.

BTW send this guy to Pakistan jail for a week he will never complain in his life.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Not much different actually same as the jail looks.

BTW send this guy to Pakistan jail for a week he will never complain in his life.

Add a jatt or punjabi jailor.

 

[dhump]

Add a jatt or punjabi jailor.

Soonay pe Sohaaga.

Ch Aslam would have done just fine.

 

[Markhor]

I have never been to Norway.If the jails are this good then i wonder how good is the actual place.

Beautiful place, ranked best in HDI for 12 years running. Hence why many talk about the Scandinavian model.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/un-human-d...-norway-leads-12th-year-uk-comes-14th-1533784

He could actually be released in 9 years time.

In Norway, it's possible to be released after serving 2/3rd of the sentence.
* He was sentenced to 21 years in jail.
* 2/3rd of that means 14 years for killing 77 people. (equal to just over 2 months (ie 66 days) per person murdered)
* He was arrested in 2011, although sentenced in 2012, meaning he has already served 5 years (including time in custody).
* So could be released in 2025.

Given his complete lack of remorse, its unlikely he'll ever be released. From http://www.thejournal.ie/21-years-breivik-trial-sentence-norway-570722-Aug2012/

In Norway, sentence of permanent detention can be imposed if there is considerable danger of repetition. Permanent detention is not subject to any timeframe. However, the court always fixes a timeframe that may not exceed 21 years. When the timeframe expires the offender may be re-assessed. If the court concludes that there is still a danger of repetition the timeframe may be extended by up to five years at a time.

There is no upper limit to the number of times that the court may extend the timeframe.

 

[Yossarian]

Beautiful place, ranked best in HDI for 12 years running. Hence why many talk about the Scandinavian model.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/un-human-d...-norway-leads-12th-year-uk-comes-14th-1533784


Given his complete lack of remorse, its unlikely he'll ever be released. From http://www.thejournal.ie/21-years-breivik-trial-sentence-norway-570722-Aug2012/

In Norway, sentence of permanent detention can be imposed if there is considerable danger of repetition. Permanent detention is not subject to any timeframe. However, the court always fixes a timeframe that may not exceed 21 years. When the timeframe expires the offender may be re-assessed. If the court concludes that there is still a danger of repetition the timeframe may be extended by up to five years at a time.

There is no upper limit to the number of times that the court may extend the timeframe.

If his lawyers manage to win his lawsuit for:

His grievances:

* He is 'stressed' by being in prison

* He is being denied "private and family life" and "correspondence"

* In a letter to prison authorities, he said:

...... his cell was poorly decorated and had no view.

...... He also complained that his coffee was served cold,

...... he did not have enough butter for his bread,

...... and he was not allowed moisturiser.

...... He said the harsh prison conditions had forced him to drop out of a political science course at the University of Oslo

Then you can bet, come the time in 2025, they'll find a way to fight any attempts to extend his stay in prison. Besides, he has another 9 years to build up a case for 'not being a danger to society any more', one that is sufficient for his lawyers to fight with, and win..

 

[Deosai]

The poor don't get to live like this in Pakistan, his cell is bigger than most tin shacks in Pakistan

 

[Robert]

His prison cell at Skien prison is a nice, warm furnished en-suite bedroom, including a TV and computer but poor fellow has no access to the internet (to Skype his mates on the outside).

He is now suing the Norwegian government of breaching two clauses of the European Convention on Human Rights.

I didn't know Norway was bound by the ECHR, not being in the EU and all.

One gets angry when terrorists play the system like this. Maybe when he is released, the King of Norway could send him to Svalbard to live out his life. Everyone has a rifle there, so if he pulls any more terrorism then see how far he gets!

 

[Yossarian]

The poor don't get to live like this in Pakistan, his cell is bigger than most tin shacks in Pakistan

The poor get get to live like this anywhere in the world, not even in rich countries (I'll bet not even in Norway!).

How many poor, anywhere, get a nice warm government paid en-suite bedroom, with tv and internet, no taxes, and three free meals per day (although the coffee is sometimes a bit cold, and sometimes there is not enough butter on the bread)? Not having to work either, and can spend your time studying for University degrees for when you get out. Not being provided with moisturiser is a bit harsh though.

 

[Adijazz1706]

This is basically an open invitation to all the extremists in Norway to go on a killing spree.

 

[Thivagar]

Has he not considered the stress and torture the families of the 77 are going through ? Also this scumbag was photographed making a Nazi salute at his hearing, he's learned nothing.



Thing is, it works for them. Their recidivism rate is much lower than the likes of the UK/US.

Yes but prison looking like a motel is too much.

 

[Muhammad10]

His prison cell at Skien prison is a nice, warm furnished en-suite bedroom, including a TV and computer but poor fellow has no access to the internet (to Skype his mates on the outside).

He is now suing the Norwegian government of breaching two clauses of the European Convention on Human Rights.

His grievances:

* He is 'stressed' by being in prison

* He is being denied "private and family life" and "correspondence"

* In a letter to prison authorities, he said:

...... his cell was poorly decorated and had no view.

...... He also complained that his coffee was served cold,

...... he did not have enough butter for his bread,

...... and he was not allowed moisturiser.

...... He said the harsh prison conditions had forced him to drop out of a political science course at the University of Oslo

Breivik killed 77 people in 2011 when he bombed central Oslo before going on a shooting spree at a Labour Youth camp on the island of Utoya.

His prison cell.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35807961

Poor fella. Such harsh conditions.

#WhiteSupremacistComfortsMatter?

 

[Abdullah719]

The hell? You go on a killing spree and get to live for free in a 'cell' that strongly resembles a pretty decent hotel?

Meanwhile, people are rotting away in Guantanamo, without having a trial for more than a decade.

What ridiculous extremes.

 

[Mamoon]

He has a PlayStation as well.

The bathroom looks like those cold and nasty type though, which I really hate. The floor is generally wet and there is certain a leak somewhere from where a cockroach creeps in from time to time.

 

[Abdullah719]

He has a PlayStation as well.

The bathroom looks like those cold and nasty type though, which I really hate. The floor is generally wet and there is certain a leak somewhere from where a cockroach creeps in from time to time.

Poor guy, might have to contend with a cockroach at some point in his life.

At least it isn't a lizard though, amirite?

 

[Yossarian]

I'll bet a lot of honest,decent people would be prepared to break the law if they could get into one of these prisons in Norway.

Inmates on the prison island of Bastoey, south of Oslo, are free to walk around in a village-style setting, tending to farm animals. They ski, cook, play tennis, play cards. They have their own beach, and even run the ferry taking people to and from the island. And in the afternoon when most prison staff go home, only a handful of guards are left to watch the 115 prisoners.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-35813470

 

[Abdullah719]

This does not sound like a prison...

 

[dayvancowboy]

And he still has some form of support among far-right Europeans.

 

[Lords]

Kabhi aao na Tihar Jail khusboo laga ke.

 

[uberkoen]

Just give the man his moisturizer. His skin is getting all dry! Do not underestimate the importance of moisturizer.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Soonay pe Sohaaga.

Ch Aslam would have done just fine.

Ye kaun hai?

 

[dhump]

Ye kaun hai?

Super cop major shooter and head of CID Sindh Police...He was assassinated by Taliban after 4-5 failed attacks on him and his family.

he made likes of Uzair baloch and so many Talibans cry this white kid would not stand it for a day.

 

[Robert]

I'll bet a lot of honest,decent people would be prepared to break the law if they could get into one of these prisons in Norway.

Norway's philosophy is that if you treat people as humans, they become more humane. Usually this works because they have very low crime levels and lock up very few of their citizens. Someone like Breivik is a total freak to them - they have nothing like HMP Belmarsh to house terrorists.

 

[Yossarian]

Norway's philosophy is that if you treat people as humans, they become more humane. Usually this works because they have very low crime levels and lock up very few of their citizens. Someone like Breivik is a total freak to them - they have nothing like HMP Belmarsh to house terrorists.

I wish they were more humane before they committed their crimes. I know that my 'humane-ness' would be tested to the limit if one these Bastoey Hotel residents had committed a crime where I, or someone close to me, was the victim of their crime.

 

[Robert]

I wish they were more humane before they committed their crimes. I know that my 'humane-ness' would be tested to the limit if one these Bastoey Hotel residents had committed a crime where I, or someone close to me, was the victim of their crime.

As I said, they have a very low crime rate so few are inhumane. Western justice is all about the possibility of redemption. That's the Christian influence. Forgive, forgive, forgive.

 

[blackanhyellow]

As I said, they have a very low crime rate so few are inhumane. Western justice is all about the possibility of redemption. That's the Christian influence. Forgive, forgive, forgive.

That makes sense for a forgivable crime like shop lifting.

Killing 77 people can not be forgiven. Even if it could, that person can not be let out of prison for the safety of the rest of society.

If he is going to stay in prison anyways, why does society need to forgive him? How does his redemption benefit anyone else?

Society needs to feel like they are on a moral high horse by "forgiving" a monster?

 

[Robert]

Killing 77 people can not be forgiven.

As I said, Breitvik is a special case. I think he is a pure psychopath, unreformable. But most can be redeemed. I know a man who forgave the man who raped and brutally beat his daughter. He is like a saint, made of pure love.

 

[blackanhyellow]

As I said, Breitvik is a special case. I think he is a pure psychopath, unreformable. But most can be redeemed. I know a man who forgave the man who raped and brutally beat his daughter. He is like a saint, made of pure love.

I do not get that at all.

I get letting the man seek redemption from God. God is merciful.

However a father forgiving him for doing that to his daughter sounds crazy to me.

I do not think that is Western culture at all. I live in the West, very few people would react like the father you are talking about.

 

[Yossarian]

As I said, they have a very low crime rate so few are inhumane. Western justice is all about the possibility of redemption. That's the Christian influence. Forgive, forgive, forgive.

Very easy to say, unless you happen to be the victim. All I can say is that if I, or someone close to me, was the victim, then I couldn't care less about the criminals redemption.

Also, I don't see the link (not saying there isn't one - just I can't see it myself) between prison being similar to a hotel, if not better in some cases (when it looks/feels like a holiday resort) and low crime rates. (Don't include repeat offenders in this particular instance as it artificially boosts the crime rate numbers vis-a-vis number of criminals, for the purposes of this particular point).

Going to prison is meant to be a deterrent. Going to a prison that's like a hotel is not much of a deterrent.

 

[Yossarian]

As I said, Breitvik is a special case. I think he is a pure psychopath, unreformable. But most can be redeemed. I know a man who forgave the man who raped and brutally beat his daughter. He is like a saint, made of pure love.

Do the millions of church goers living in the Bible Belt believe/practice that when it comes to U.S. foreign policy and it's military activities in places like the Middle East?

 

[dayvancowboy]

A lot of anti-Muslim bigots in Europe in general support Breivik. I've personally came across Middle Eastern Christians and Hindus who were flattered that Breivik would take up on their case to fight Muslims.

 

[Yossarian]

A lot of anti-Muslim bigots in Europe in general support Breivik. I've personally came across Middle Eastern Christians and Hindus who were flattered that Breivik would take up on their case to fight Muslims.

By killing 77 innocent, mainly Christian, teenagers.

 

[Robert]

Do the millions of church goers living in the Bible Belt believe/practice that when it comes to U.S. foreign policy and it's military activities in places like the Middle East?

Come on, don't put up strawmen. We are talking about the Norwegian justice system.

Very easy to say, unless you happen to be the victim. All I can say is that if I, or someone close to me, was the victim, then I couldn't care less about the criminals redemption.

We are not talking about you,but about the Norwegian justice system.

Also, I don't see the link (not saying there isn't one - just I can't see it myself) between prison being similar to a hotel, if not better in some cases (when it looks/feels like a holiday resort) and low crime rates. (Don't include repeat offenders in this particular instance as it artificially boosts the crime rate numbers vis-a-vis number of criminals, for the purposes of this particular point).

Going to prison is meant to be a deterrent. Going to a prison that's like a hotel is not much of a deterrent.

Making prison hard is not a deterrent because the criminal does not think in terms of getting caught.
They spend a lot of money on psychologists to change the thinking of the criminal. There are very low recidivism rates in Norway so the system seems to work. Think of it as akin to the tribal society where the whole tribe surrounds the transgressor and instead of punishing him, reminds him of the good acts he has done. Both are holistic approaches to justice - crime is the problem of the society as much as the individual.

 

[Yossarian]

Come on, don't put up strawmen. We are talking about the Norwegian justice system.

And yet you're the one who brings up religion into the discusion, in the form of 'That's the Christian influence. Forgive, forgive, forgive'.

As I said, they have a very low crime rate so few are inhumane. Western justice is all about the possibility of redemption. That's the Christian influence. Forgive, forgive, forgive.

So why doesn't the same 'Christian influence. Forgive, forgive, forgive' work elsewhere, especially amongst those, such as the ones in the Bible Belt, who shout about the 'Christian love and forgiveness' far more than the Norwegians do?

We are not talking about you,but about the Norwegian justice system.

As I said, Breitvik is a special case. I think he is a pure psychopath, unreformable. But most can be redeemed. I know a man who forgave the man who raped and brutally beat his daughter. He is like a saint, made of pure love.

The Pot calling the Kettle 'black' me thinks. To paraphrase your own words, we are not talking about a man you know. Was this man you know Norwegian?

Making prison hard is not a deterrent because the criminal does not think in terms of getting caught.
They spend a lot of money on psychologists to change the thinking of the criminal. There are very low recidivism rates in Norway so the system seems to work.

So why have prisons anyway? Even those those that look like hotels.

Think of it as akin to the tribal society where the whole tribe surrounds the transgressor and instead of punishing him, reminds him of the good acts he has done.

In that case, how about giving them prizes for their 'good acts'?

Both are holistic approaches to justice - crime is the problem of the society as much as the individual.

So now it's the faults of the victims for the crimes cimmitted against them (because they too are members of the same society) ?

You're making it out as if it's the criminals, and not their victims, who need sympathy.

 

[anakin]

And yet you're the one who brings up religion into the discusion, in the form of 'That's the Christian influence. Forgive, forgive, forgive'. So why doesn't the same 'Christian influence. Forgive, forgive, forgive' work elsewhere, especially amongst those, such as the ones in the Bible Belt, who shout about the 'Christian love and forgiveness' far more than the Norwegians do?

The Pot calling the Kettle 'black' me thinks. To paraphrase your own words, we are not talking about a man you know. Was this man you know Norwegian?


So why have prisons anyway? Even those those that look like hotels.


In that case, how about giving them prizes for their 'good acts'?

So now it's the faults of the victims for the crimes cimmitted against them (because they too are members of the same society) ?

You're making it out as if it's the criminals, and not their victims, who need sympathy.

The case is within Norwegian Justice system, and that justice system it seems tends towards reform of convicts rather than punishing criminals with the spirit of vengeance. You might want to poke holes in this system of justice but similar gaps, even not so glaring ones, exist in the judicial systems around the world.

The facilities afforded to this criminal is as per Norwegian laws.Iif it seems like luxury and patently absurd for all of us, then I think we should aspire that our societies progresses to the level where such amenities are treated as something of a punishment.

 

[Robert]

And yet you're the one who brings up religion into the discusion, in the form of 'That's the Christian influence. Forgive, forgive, forgive'. So why doesn't the same 'Christian influence. Forgive, forgive, forgive' work elsewhere, especially amongst those, such as the ones in the Bible Belt, who shout about the 'Christian love and forgiveness' far more than the Norwegians do?

I'm not attacking your strawman, however high you build him.

The Pot calling the Kettle 'black' me thinks. To paraphrase your own words, we are not talking about a man you know. Was this man you know Norwegian?

American, actually. I used his example to illustrate the principle of forgiveness in action.

So why have prisons anyway? Even those those that look like hotels.

To contain the offender while s/he is rehabilitated. But Norway puts very few of her citizens into custody. Most are given community service orders. They have a very low re-offending rate. Their system is a lot better that the UK, which treats her criminals more harshly yet has a much higher re-offending rate.

In that case, how about giving them prizes for their 'good acts'?

Society rewards people for the good they do. Do good things, loving things with no thought of personal gain, and good things happen to you, by and large.

So now it's the faults of the victims for the crimes cimmitted against them (because they too are members of the same society) ?

You're making it out as if it's the criminals, and not their victims, who need sympathy.

Not at all.

Victims need care and support, while perpetrators need tough love to correct them and show them the right way to behave.

(Breivik is one of the very rare exceptions, not redeemable by the principle of tough love IMO - he would appear to be a genuine monster. Best to just stick him on a remote island by himself and give him food and shelter until the end of his life.)

 

[dayvancowboy]

By killing 77 innocent, mainly Christian, teenagers.

Some of them were Muslim. One victim that stands out for me was an 18 year old Iraqi-Kurdish girl whose family fled Saddam in the 1990s to the relative safety of Norway.

 

[Black Zero]

He is mentally sick

and currently we do not have treatment for such cases.

 

[Robert]

He is mentally sick

and currently we do not have treatment for such cases.

This lawsuit shows how narcissistic he is. I think he is totally lacking in empathy for others. I don't know how that could be cured, if indeed it can.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

He is mentally sick

and currently we do not have treatment for such cases.

Clearly you do as this relatively plush prison cell clearly demonstrates.

 

[Yossarian]

He is mentally sick

and currently we do not have treatment for such cases.

Being mentally sick implies the individual is not responsible for their own actions, its not their fault they comitted the criminal act.
If you put it that way, then everyone who commits a crime, is in some way or other 'mentally sick' and its not their fault for doing what they did. After all no 'sane' person would ever commit a crime, any crime. That includes everyone from a common thief, a rapist, a paedophile, .... to the likes of Isis.

So yes, lets call them as being 'mentally sick' and thereby absolve them of any responsibility for their crimes.

 

[Robert]

Being mentally sick implies the individual is not responsible for their own actions, its not their fault they comitted the criminal act.
If you put it that way, then everyone who commits a crime, is in some way or other 'mentally sick' and its not their fault for doing what they did. After all no 'sane' person would ever commit a crime, any crime. That includes everyone from a common thief, a rapist, a paedophile, .... to the likes of Isis.

So yes, lets call them as being 'mentally sick' and thereby absolve them of any responsibility for their crimes.

That determination is made by the court psychotherapists, if the accused enters a plea of insanity. Then the accused will go either to jail, or to a secure psychiatric unit depending on the determination.

 

[ahmedzee]

So this nut job wins the case against govt. Apparently he wants more than freedom in an already free prison.
How is he still not considered a terrorist is beyond my comprehension. How is he different from ISIS, Al-qaida, Nazi, and others?

 

[Black Zero]

So this nut job wins the case against govt. Apparently he wants more than freedom in an already free prison.
How is he still not considered a terrorist is beyond my comprehension. How is he different from ISIS, Al-qaida, Nazi, and others?

He is criminally insane.

 

[anakwalajinn]

So this nut job wins the case against govt. Apparently he wants more than freedom in an already free prison.
How is he still not considered a terrorist is beyond my comprehension. How is he different from ISIS, Al-qaida, Nazi, and others?

He is considered a terrorist here in Norway. By the media, as well.

 

[blackanhyellow]

He is criminally insane.

That is what happens, when a person from a Western country commits a crime excuses are made (Affluenza, mental incompetence, victim of poverty, groomed and radicalized by someone else, etc...)

When someone else does it, it is because they are following a savage religion or because everyone in that part of the world does not value life, or that they hate freedom and liberty.

This dude was a terrorist this is a fact, no amount of bias from face saving Western media will change that.

 

[Muhammad10]

That is what happens, when a person from a Western country commits a crime excuses are made (Affluenza, mental incompetence, victim of poverty, groomed and radicalized by someone else, etc...)

When someone else does it, it is because they are following a savage religion or because everyone in that part of the world does not value life, or that they hate freedom and liberty.

This dude was a terrorist this is a fact, no amount of bias from face saving Western media will change that.

WHAM! Bull's-eye!

 

[Sachin136]

In her ruling, judge Helen Andenaes Sekulic said the right not to be subjected to inhuman treatment represented "a fundamental value in a democratic society" and also applied to "terrorists and killers".

Breivik had challenged the government over his solitary confinement, which saw him kept alone in his cell for 22 to 23 hours a day, denied contact with other inmates and only communicating with prison staff through a thick glass barrier.

Judge Sekulic also noted that Breivik had been woken up every half hour at night over a long period of time and on some occasions subjected to strip searches with female officers present, which he found particularly difficult.

"Taken together with the other stringent restrictions which he was subject, this was regarded as degrading treatment in the Convention sense," said the judge, Norwegian national broadcaster NRK reported.

The prison must work to bring in other prisoners and "facilitate a community", the judge said.

However, the judge ruled that strict controls on Breivik's correspondence were justified and his right to a private and family life under article eight of the ECHR had not been violated.

The court also ordered the Norwegian state to pay Breivik's legal costs of 330,000 kroner ($40,000; £28,000).

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36094575

 

[Yossarian]

In a few years time, it will be "poor Anders Breivik, stuck in prison all these years. That's so inhumane. He too deserves to live a normal family life like everyone else, to have a wife and kids, go for holidays, go for a picnic, go hunting, go camping (apparentlythere's an empty island in the middle of a lake around 20 miles outside Oslo, which is quite nice for camping in the summer). Time is running, he needs to be let out now, while he's still young enough to enjoy the great outdoors)"

 

[Abdullah719]

Norway fights Breivik 'inhumane' prison conditions claim

Norwegian mass murderer Anders Behring Breivik is more radical than ever, prosecutors warned as the right-wing extremist appeared in court.

Fredrik Sejersted said the government should still be prepared for Breivik, who gave a Nazi salute on entering the courtroom, to do the unthinkable.

The state is appealing against a ruling that some of Breivik's treatment in prison amounted to "inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment".

Breivik killed 77 people in July 2011.

He murdered 69 people at a summer camp for young centre-left political activists on the island of Utoeya after, earlier in the day, setting off a car bomb in the capital Oslo, killing eight people.

The 37-year-old has been kept in solitary confinement since he was sentenced, in 2012, to 21 years in prison - but he has argued that being kept away from other prisoners for 22-23 hours a day breaches his human rights.

Breivik's lawyer Oystein Storrvik has said the killer is "mentally vulnerable" because of his prison conditions.

In April 2016, a Norwegian court upheld part of his claim, although it dismissed his argument that his right to respect for private and family life was violated by restrictions on contact with other right-wing extremists.

On Tuesday, the Norwegian government - which was also ordered to pay Breivik's legal costs of 330,000 kroner ($38,500; £31,600) - began the process of appealing against the court's ruling.

'Most dangerous man'

The government argued that his three-cell complex, where he can play video games, watch TV and exercise, is better than the conditions of most other prisoners to compensate for being kept in solitary confinement.

"The core of the state's view is very simple, there are no human rights violations," said Mr Sejersted, the prosecutor, said.

He told the court that Breivik "has not broken down, he has not expressed remorse, he is proud of what he has done.

"If anything, according to documentation, he is even more convinced in his extreme far-right beliefs."

"It's very difficult to know how dangerous Breivik is today and it's even more difficult to know how dangerous he will be tomorrow, or in a year, or in 10 years," Mr Sejersted also told the court.

"But what is absolutely certain is that in the years leading up to July 22, 2011, he was the most dangerous man in Norway."

To prove his point, Mr Sejersted added that his mother had noticed nothing different about him in the days leading up to the murders.

The hearing is set to last six days, and Breivik has agreed not to perform a Nazi salute again after Judge Oystein Hermansen described the gesture as "offensive to the dignity of the court" and "disturbing".

This is not the first time the mass killer has performed the salute in court.

He is scheduled to address the court on Thursday, with a verdict due in February.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-38574453

 

[KingKhanWC]

Dangerous move by the courts by dragging out his trial and keeping him in the spotlight. This man will sadly inspire more right wing fanatics to do something similar to what he has done.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Scary. May Allah keep all human beings safe from him. Aameen.

 

[Abdullah719]

Anders Breivik says solitary confinement has made him more radicalised

Anders Behring Breivik has told a court his isolation in prison has caused him to become even more radicalised.

Last year the 37-year-old mass murderer successfully sued the Norwegian government, claiming that solitary confinement and frequent strip searches violated his human rights.

His claims chime with Government lawyers, who have also warned he had become more radicalised over the five years he has been incarcerated since he killed 77 people in 2011.

Speaking in court on Thursday Breivik said: "The last five years I've been completely isolated, not corrected a single time.

"I've sat in a cell 23 hours a day for almost 6 years ... I've become stranger and stranger as a direct consequence of this.

"I've become a lot more radical while I've been jailed".

Breivik's lawyer Oystein Storrvik argued that the isolation has rendered his client "mentally vulnerable".

However, psychiatry professor Ulrik Fredrik Malt told Norwegian broadcaster NRK that Breivik's remarks were "purely strategic".

Recent psychiatric assessments showed Breivik to still be highly dangerous, supporting the prison’s insistence that strict controls on his contact with the outside world are justified and that he must be separated from other inmates for safety reasons.

In 2012 Breivik was sentenced to 21 years in prison after setting off a car bomb outside the government headquarters in Oslo, killing eight people on 22 July, 2011.

Dressed in a police uniform, he then drove to the island of Utoya where he killed 69 others, mainly teenagers, at the annual summer camp of the left-wing Labour Party's youth wing.

The convicted killer has never expressed remorse for his crimes.

In a surprise ruling last March, the court found that Oslo had violated a ban on "inhuman and degrading" treatment under the European Convention of Human Rights, and ordered the government to pay Breivik's legal costs of 331,000 kroner (£32,000).

However it dismissed his claim that his right to respect for private and family life was violated by restrictions on contacts with other right-wing extremists.

In the current hearing, the both the Norwegian government and Breivik are appealing against their unsuccessful claim.

On day one of his trial the right-wing extremist gave a Nazi salute as he entered the court, which has been set up in the gym of his high-security prison in Skien, 85 miles south west Oslo.

The case is expected to last six days, with the ruling due in February.

http://news.sky.com/story/anders-br...nement-has-made-him-more-radicalised-10726320

 

[James]

It's difficult to disagree with many / any aspects of the Norwegian legal system and societal order given their incredibly strong record on living standards, individual rights and the Human Development Index.

Breivik is a freakish development in their history, a total one-off, an anomaly whose existence seems entirely illogical but in fact makes perfect sense: every otherwise rock-solid construct will inevitably produce an anomalous element.

Hopefully Norway will find a way for this despicable and psychotic anomaly to live out his days far away from normal society and (if there is a Hell) hopefully he will rot there as well.

 

[Robert]

Send him over here to Belmarsh. He does not know how lucky he is.....

 

[Major]

Super cop major shooter and head of CID Sindh Police...He was assassinated by Taliban after 4-5 failed attacks on him and his family.

he made likes of Uzair baloch and so many Talibans cry this white kid would not stand it for a day.

What do you think, are staged encounters right or wrong?

Because the guy being talked OP would had been killed in Pakistan by doing a staged encounter.

i personally feel its right

 

[Sidilicious]

It looks better than most rooms I've had in London, and I've had to pay hundreds of pounds for those rooms.

Having said that, the Norwegian system works for most cases but cases like Brievik are special cases and we cant judge the whole system on one case, however unfair it may seem.

As for people saying the world does not call Breivik a terrorist, you are wrong. Norwegian government, the one that matters the most, considers him a terrorist. In any case, a terrorist doesnt become a terrorist just because of a book or religion. These guys already have psychopathic tendencies, which are aggravated by some external factors such as religion or some facist ideas or racial supremacy.

 

[Sidilicious]

What do you think, are staged encounters right or wrong?

Because the guy being talked OP would had been killed in Pakistan by doing a staged encounter.

i personally feel its right

But can you guarantee that staged encounters would only be used for capturing real criminals only?

Can you guarantee that a corrupt cop could stage an encounter against an innocent person or a person whose crime doesnt deserve death as a punishment.

 

[Sidilicious]

Send him over here to Belmarsh. He does not know how lucky he is.....

Send him over to London and let him spend a week in South/East London.

 

[Major]

But can you guarantee that staged encounters would only be used for capturing real criminals only?

Can you guarantee that a corrupt cop could stage an encounter against an innocent person or a person whose crime doesnt deserve death as a punishment.

A cop wouldn't risk his whole career to stage an encounter against an innocent.

Usually encounters are staged when the charged party has influential backing in his case or if there is a big chance of him getting away with his crime.

Innocents can't be killed in a staged encounter. What happens with the innocent is they are taken by the agencies who torture them and kill them off, this takes place in forts.

Now the activists who have been vanished in Pakistan, they are probably being kept hidden in one of the forts of the countries where they will be tortured for the next couple of months

 

[Sidilicious]

A cop wouldn't risk his whole career to stage an encounter against an innocent.

Usually encounters are staged when the charged party has influential backing in his case or if there is a big chance of him getting away with his crime.

Innocents can't be killed in a staged encounter. What happens with the innocent is they are taken by the agencies who torture them and kill them off, this takes place in forts.

Now the activists who have been vanished in Pakistan, they are probably being kept hidden in one of the forts of the countries where they will be tortured for the next couple of months

I get your point, but, if I was a corrupt cop, and I just wanted someone dead. With the help of a couple of other corrupt cops, I could just stage his death death via an encounter.

The issue is, when we start agreeing with violent means to obtain justice, it opens a lot of doors of misuse.

 

[Major]

I get your point, but, if I was a corrupt cop, and I just wanted someone dead. With the help of a couple of other corrupt cops, I could just stage his death death via an encounter.

The issue is, when we start agreeing with violent means to obtain justice, it opens a lot of doors of misuse.

wanting someone dead always have a motive behind it.

because you dont want someone to just die.
yeh maybe if someone is about to expose the cop that would make sense.But lawyers are also smart, who could get witness protection and what not

 

[Slog]

The room in the first pic looks legit like the one i had in freshman year in college

 

[GujjarLife]

I have a mate who revently served a four month sentence at a minimum security prison here in Norway. He told me it was the best time of his life. They went on long bicycle rides, went fishing, played football and did whole lot of other activities. Our 'humane' criminal justice system is meant for rehabilitating inmates - not punishing them. Breivik doesn't fit into that.

 

[dhump]

What do you think, are staged encounters right or wrong?

Because the guy being talked OP would had been killed in Pakistan by doing a staged encounter.

i personally feel its right

Honestly speaking I dont know now. I had a major change of thoughts about everything suddenly in last 6-7 months the time. When I posted this message I would have said it is fine for country like Pakistan, but now if I think I dont know where is this invisible line and by shooting whom do these lines are crossed. On the flip side I have no idea how to solve the problem of this extremist mindset in a shorter period of time and if killing such people above the law will solve anything or killing someone with in the law will solve anything either.

I am sorry my thoughts are very abstract and I am having difficulties to make any final or proper statement on this issue and I deny to seek refuge in religious scriptures to say if this is fine or not.