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Recently, the former England captain selected his best test XI from his playing days and below are the players he selected (no captain) :

Trescothick
Cook
Langer
Kallis
SRT
Lara
Gilchrist
Warne
Morkel
McGrath
Akthar

How do you rate his team ?
 
Some weird selections but overall a strong looking team. Good to see an underated player like Langer getting some recognition from a player of his era.
 
That looks like a quality side and much better than the others, just needs minor adjustments.
 
Some weird selections but overall a strong looking team. Good to see an underated player like Langer getting some recognition from a player of his era.

Surprised to see Langer ahead of Ponting at 3, especially considering that Ponting's peak coincided with Strauss' international debuting years.
 
That looks like a quality side and much better than the others, just needs minor adjustments.

Could replace a couple of the top order bats and rearrange the batting order positions as well and perhaps have Steyn in for Morkel.

Smith
Hayden
Lara
Ponting
Kallis
SRT
Gilchrist
Warne
Steyn
McGrath
Akhtar

I the above is a better lineup.
 
Doesn't matter if he isn't highly rated by his peers as long as he knocks over the best batsmen in the opposition and wins his team the match.
 
Could replace a couple of the top order bats and rearrange the batting order positions as well and perhaps have Steyn in for Morkel.

Smith
Hayden
Lara
Ponting
Kallis
SRT
Gilchrist
Warne
Steyn
McGrath
Akhtar

I the above is a better lineup.

Sachin batting at #6 and Lara batting above Ponting looks strange. Ponting, Sachin, Lara and Kallis from 3-6 is the best batting lineup for these four.
 
Steyn is mostly South African and PakPassion propaganda. Most of his peers and former cricketers don't rate him very highly. I only realized that people consider him an ATG when I joined this forum, but my perception hasn't changed.
 
Sachin batting at #6 and Lara batting above Ponting looks strange. Ponting, Sachin, Lara and Kallis from 3-6 is the best batting lineup for these four.

Lara and Ponting are the best attacking batsmen upfront. Kallis at 5 to provide the accumulator role to control the innings and then SRT and Gilchrist to further drive the innings to a big total.

Wouldn't have Lara at 5.
 
Steyn is mostly South African and PakPassion propaganda. Most of his peers and former cricketers don't rate him very highly. I only realized that people consider him an ATG when I joined this forum, but my perception hasn't changed.

Most Pakistani Cricketers other than Wasim Akram are not mentioned frequently at all by ex-Cricketers either as ATGs, doesn't mean that they are not ATGs though.
 
Steyn is mostly South African and PakPassion propaganda. Most of his peers and former cricketers don't rate him very highly. I only realized that people consider him an ATG when I joined this forum, but my perception hasn't changed.

You can bet your house that Steyn will be a feature in many of these lists when the likes of Younis, Broad, Anderson, Clarke, Cook, etc start making these lists.

Strauss didn't get to play Steyn at his peak for more than a couple of series, I believe. And of course, he's a South African player and like other South African players, is underrated.

Lara and Ponting are the best attacking batsmen upfront. Kallis at 5 to provide the accumulator role to control the innings and then SRT and Gilchrist to further drive the innings to a big total.

Wouldn't have Lara at 5.

It makes sense in theory but practically, you'd want players to bat at positions they are comfortable with.
 
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It makes sense in theory but practically, you'd want players to bat at positions they are comfortable with.

Lara and Ponting both batted mostly at no 3 and Kallis and SRT batted mostly at no 4. Even from your POV, It makes more sense for Lara and Ponting to be at 3 and 4 and for Kallis and SRT to be at 5 and 6 respectively.
 
Most Pakistani Cricketers other than Wasim Akram are not mentioned frequently at all by ex-Cricketers either as ATGs, doesn't mean that they are not ATGs though.

The point is that Steyn never had hype, hence the remark that he is mostly PakPassion propaganda. He is in decline now but it was true even in his peak. The casual follower of cricket is probably not even aware of his existence, and I am speaking from personal experience. They know Donald and Pollock when you ask them about SA bowlers but not Steyn. Perhaps that is because the general public doesn't care about Tests and Steyn has been rubbish in ODIs and T20s, with hardly any notable performances on the big stage that have left a lasting impression.

Someone like Starc, who is not an ATG yet, is enjoying far greater hype and popularity and obviously helping Australia win the World Cup played a big role. Ask any casual follower who the best fast bowler in the world is and most will say Starc.

Similarly, bowlers like Wasim, McGrath, Ambrose, Lillee, the West Indian quartet etc. enjoy that recognition and hype. Starc is the only contemporary fast bowler (along with Amir for somewhat different reasons) who enjoys that hype. Anderson is actually more popular than Steyn among the casual followers but obviously not at the same level as the said bowlers and Starc.

Due to multiple reasons, Steyn's greatness and impact is limited to the cricket connoisseurs only, and you mostly find them on forums like PakPassion etc. However, a true ATG has widespread appeal.
 
Surprised to see Langer ahead of Ponting at 3, especially considering that Ponting's peak coincided with Strauss' international debuting years.


Agreed. Langar in place of Trescothick with Punter batting at 3 would be a better like up.
 
The point is that Steyn never had hype, hence the remark that he is mostly PakPassion propaganda. He is in decline now but it was true even in his peak. The casual follower of cricket is probably not even aware of his existence, and I am speaking from personal experience. They know Donald and Pollock when you ask them about SA bowlers but not Steyn. Perhaps that is because the general public doesn't care about Tests and Steyn has been rubbish in ODIs and T20s, with hardly any notable performances on the big stage that have left a lasting impression.

Someone like Starc, who is not an ATG yet, is enjoying far greater hype and popularity and obviously helping Australia win the World Cup played a big role. Ask any casual follower who the best fast bowler in the world is and most will say Starc.

Similarly, bowlers like Wasim, McGrath, Ambrose, Lillee, the West Indian quartet etc. enjoy that recognition and hype. Starc is the only contemporary fast bowler (along with Amir for somewhat different reasons) who enjoys that hype. Anderson is actually more popular than Steyn among the casual followers but obviously not at the same level as the said bowlers and Starc.

Due to multiple reasons, Steyn's greatness and impact is limited to the cricket connoisseurs only, and you mostly find them on forums like PakPassion etc. However, a true ATG has widespread appeal.


Steyn is rated really highly on this forum but Ambrose and Steve Waugh who are unquestionably atg are very underated on this forum.
 
You can bet your house that Steyn will be a feature in many of these lists when the likes of Younis, Broad, Anderson, Clarke, Cook, etc start making these lists.

It's refreshing to see an England captain who owes a lot of his victories to Anderson, Broad and Swann not name any of them in his playing XI. Akhtar is the most notable pick for me, generally doesn't get recognition in such lists, but perhaps the 2005 series in Pakistan has left a lasting impression on Strauss.
 
Steyn is rated really highly on this forum but Ambrose and Steve Waugh who are unquestionably atg are very underated on this forum.

Yet both are better recognized outside this forum.
 
Yet both are better recognized outside this forum.


Steyn has embarrassed Hafeez and some of our other batsmen , that could be a reason as well. But don't understand why Waugh and Ambi are underated on this forum.
 
The point is that Steyn never had hype, hence the remark that he is mostly PakPassion propaganda. He is in decline now but it was true even in his peak. The casual follower of cricket is probably not even aware of his existence, and I am speaking from personal experience. They know Donald and Pollock when you ask them about SA bowlers but not Steyn. Perhaps that is because the general public doesn't care about Tests and Steyn has been rubbish in ODIs and T20s, with hardly any notable performances on the big stage that have left a lasting impression.

Someone like Starc, who is not an ATG yet, is enjoying far greater hype and popularity and obviously helping Australia win the World Cup played a big role. Ask any casual follower who the best fast bowler in the world is and most will say Starc.

Similarly, bowlers like Wasim, McGrath, Ambrose, Lillee, the West Indian quartet etc. enjoy that recognition and hype. Starc is the only contemporary fast bowler (along with Amir for somewhat different reasons) who enjoys that hype. Anderson is actually more popular than Steyn among the casual followers but obviously not at the same level as the said bowlers and Starc.

Due to multiple reasons, Steyn's greatness and impact is limited to the cricket connoisseurs only, and you mostly find them on forums like PakPassion etc. However, a true ATG has widespread appeal.

You're detracting from the original point, this is specifically about serious Cricket followers and Cricket experts. As such these groups rate performance in Tests as being the main litmus test for proving ATGness. Due to this, popularity from casual fans goes out of the window.

Tests are decreasing in relevance in comparison to LOIs but there is still a substantial following of the format to warrant its designation as the prime bearer of the game. If you do not have outstanding performances, acclaim, plaudits in this format then you cannot be an ATG.

It's laughable to state that Pollock is more popular than Steyn, from my personal experience, until recently Steyn has always been regarded as the best fast bowler in the world.

Starc may have ATG talent in LOIs but he won't be an ATG until he justifies his potential in Tests.

I absolutely do not believe that Anderson is more popular regarded than Steyn - until 2-3 years ago, Steyn was still the most talked about pacer in the world.
 
Some views about Steyn outside of PP ;)


"I regard him as one of the best in the world for the last 20-30 years. I don't think even in South Africa, they have produced anybody like Steyn in the past. For me Steyn is definitely the number one bowler" - Waqar

Is Steyn Test cricket’s best ever fast bowler? -- Aus sports site [ http://www.theroar.com.au/2013/06/07/is-dale-steyn-test-crickets-best-ever-fast-bowler/ ]

Dale Steyn is the greatest fast bowler of all time - Another Aus sports site [ http://www.thegreenfieldpost.com.au...teyn-is-the-greatest-fast-bowler-of-all-time/ ]

Is Dale Steyn the greatest fast bowler post WWII? -- http://www.theroar.com.au/2015/12/03/dale-steyn-greatest-fast-bowler-post-wwii/

"Kohli wants everybody to be a Dale Steyn, be the best batsman, be the best bowler, best fielder and that attitude helps." - Ashwin


"Fast bowlers aspire to have the record that he has and the longevity he has had.
That's the sign of a champion, that you're around for long enough to be classified as that. Dale's done that." - Gilly
 
His xi is based on his own experiences rather than including the players he would consider objectivity better
 
Could replace a couple of the top order bats and rearrange the batting order positions as well and perhaps have Steyn in for Morkel.

Smith
Hayden
Lara
Ponting
Kallis
SRT
Gilchrist
Warne
Steyn
McGrath
Akhtar

I the above is a better lineup.

Sorry was this Andrew Strauss' best XI or yours?

No surprise he didn't select KP.
 
Sorry was this Andrew Strauss' best XI or yours?

No surprise he didn't select KP.

Read the OP.

This thread is here to discuss your view of Strauss' XI, if you don't have anything constructive to add then you're free to not post here.
 
KP was one of the best test batter or atleast the best English cricketer during Strauss era.
 
If we can't criticize the views of others then what's the point of even having a forum in the first place? Picking Langer at 3 instead of Ponting is a joke, so is Trescothick ahead of Sehwag, Smith, Hayden. Morkel/ Akthar instead of Steyn is just laughable.
 
Most cricket experts and serious cricket followers regard Steyn as the greatest SA bowler of all time ahead of Donald.

It's laughable to claim that he is less popular than Pollock or even Donald when there is absolutely no one close to him in competition from his era as far as tests are concerned. And lastly, popularity is not the parameter to rate any player or else Afridi will be a superior cricketer to Younis or Inzy.

It makes no sense to find absurd arguments to diminish the greatness of SA cricketers, particularly someone like Steyn who has got stats, toughness and performance everywhere round the world being far ahead of his contemporaries.
 
I'm guessing

Strauss
Smith (c)
Amla
Kallis
KP
AB
Prior +
Pollock
Steyn
Morkel
Ntini

12. Trott

How close did I get? ;-)
 
If we can't criticize the views of others then what's the point of even having a forum in the first place? Picking Langer at 3 instead of Ponting is a joke, so is Trescothick ahead of Sehwag, Smith, Hayden. Morkel/ Akthar instead of Steyn is just laughable.

Morkel always got him out from around the wicket, i get where he's coming from.
It's his XI he is entitled to pick and choose as he sees fit. No reason to be offended really.
 
Recently, the former England captain selected his best test XI from his playing days and below are the players he selected (no captain) :

Trescothick
Cook
Langer
Kallis
SRT
Lara
Gilchrist
Warne
Morkel
McGrath
Akthar

How do you rate his team ?

Meh his English bias showing here. Cook and Tresco were both not the best openers of his time.

Smith
Hayden
Dravid
Ponting
SRT/Lara
Kallis
Gilchrist
Flintoff
Warne
Steyn
Mcgrath
 
A case of sour grapes. Stinks of personal agenda. I think KP sent the SMS to Steyn, which got leaked.

Stein averages 33.68 in tests against England whilst Strauss was playing, alright not exactly the most impressive of records.
 
It's refreshing to see an England captain who owes a lot of his victories to Anderson, Broad and Swann not name any of them in his playing XI. Akhtar is the most notable pick for me, generally doesn't get recognition in such lists, but perhaps the 2005 series in Pakistan has left a lasting impression on Strauss.

Akhtar is grossly underrated on this forum. Just because he wasn't a nice guy.
 
Recently, the former England captain selected his best test XI from his playing days and below are the players he selected (no captain) :

Trescothick
Cook
Langer
Kallis
SRT
Lara
Gilchrist
Warne
Morkel
McGrath
Akthar

How do you rate his team ?

I would remove Cook, have Langer opening with Trescothick, and bring in Ponting as number 3 bat and skipper.

But yes looks pretty good and Strauss is a veteran of international cricket as well as a strong-minded administrator. Agree or disagree, his opinion holds some genuine weight.
 
I don't know why people time and again criticise every player's XI as it is not the best ever XI list and actually the best XI he played with/against or inspired by. It's more like the player's favourite XI which is why it's called "Strauss's XI"!

Nothing wrong in seeing Langer's or Trescothick's name.
 
Some selections are weird, for example: no Ponting and Steyn but overall it is a very strong team.
 
My personal all-time XI would be:-

Smith(c)
Hayden
Ponting
Tendulkar
Lara
Kallis
Gilchrist(wkt)
Warne
Wasim
McGrath
Steyn

Have watched all of them. So picked the one whom I have watched play.
 
That's a pretty bizarre selection by someone who seems to hold grudges. Picking Langer over Ponting is disgraceful, let alone Pietersen. Also mystified by him leaving out Steyn.
 
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Recently, the former England captain selected his best test XI from his playing days and below are the players he selected (no captain) :

Trescothick
Cook
Langer
Kallis
SRT
Lara
Gilchrist
Warne
Morkel
McGrath
Akthar

How do you rate his team ?

Interesting. Langer is in because he was something of a mentor for Strausser at Middlesex. I’m surprised at no Hayden and Smith though.

The middle order is certainly the toughest he played with or faced.

He may have picked bowlers who caused him the most personal trouble.
 
Not surprised to see Steyn not on there. He's not rated very highly amongst his peers.

Why would Steyn be there? It was of course him who leaked the text from KP about staruss being something which was in afrikkans and I cannot mention it here! Triggered a chain reaction which let to his retirement and KP never playing again!
 
Not surprised to see Steyn not on there. He's not rated very highly amongst his peers.

Why would Steyn be there? It was of course him who leaked the text from KP about staruss being something which was in afrikkans and I cannot mention it here! Triggered a chain reaction which let to his retirement and KP never playing again!
 
Strauss really hates KP I think, wouldn’t even get into his reserve team.
 
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