Angela Merkel calls for burqa ban 'wherever legally possible' in Germany

[Gabbar Singh]

"Mama Merkel" is now playing politics with the burka.

Angela Merkel has called for a burqa ban in Germany and said the refugee crisis “must never be repeated” while making her pitch for a fourth term as Chancellor.

Addressing her conservative Christian Democratic Union (CDU) party, Ms Merkel said she would support a nationwide prohibition on Islamic veils covering the face.

"The full-face veil is not acceptable in our country," she told delegates in Essen, sparking rapturous applause. "It should be banned, wherever it is legally possible."

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[Cpt. Rishwat]

Good move. Imagine being German and taking a public stance against kosher meat for the Jews on account of animal cruelty. This is far safer ground as far as current political temperature goes.

 

[FreakCricket]

mama merkel will bring western civilization to its knees, alt right will rule the EU

 

[Donal Cozzie]

So recently some rapes and murders have been committed by asylum seekers here in Germany, as well as arrests for terrorist activity and planning.

Chinese student was raped literally 5 minutes from where I'm living a week back, suspect arrested also in connection with the rape of another Chinese student in the summer. Turns out he's a refugee also.

Said from the outset accepting a million people with little to no checks would be a disaster and would not help, got slammed for it.

I've seen both sides here. I've met a couple refugees randomly, been very friendly,I've seen messages of thanks from refugees in the language centre I use weekly to improve my german, and I'm not saying they shouldn't be helped, but simply throwing open the doors for them was always going to end in disaster and I feel there's definitely some resentment among germans here about it.You cannot accept tens of thousands of people from such different and in some cases backward misogynistic cultures and expect things to be hunky dorey because some people on twitter said it is. Also met foreigners and heard first hand from Germans stories of how they were approached by foreigners and spar at for being German (not making this up, was a lecture on intercultural management)

Merkel's party did poorly in local elections and with her now publicly supporting a burkha ban coming up to the general election next year I feel she'll try come off as less asylum friendly to combat the rise of the far right and halt her sliding popularity.

Whole things been a mess IMO.

 

[chacha kashmiri]

The Iron Lady has dropped her cloak of welcoming immigrants and is now a populist islamophobe
How the mighty have fallen
I don't follow the opinion that the burka is mandatory and no one I know wears one but it is still the persons choice from the minimal amount of people out there who chose to wear one
Angela merkel has succumbed here I feel with her recent choice of words

 

[Saeed]

Well Europe and Turkey should expect more refugees since Assad is taking over Aleppo. Rest of them won't go back as long as Assad and his "Syrian Arab" Army from around the world remains in Syria. This is what happens when you have weak leaders like Obama and Merkel.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

I Condemn her statement.


The succide burqa clad women aswell as Laal Masjid Cleric have defamed Burqa, Veil and Islam. Unfortunate.


Still as a Homo Sapien plus as a Muslim I do not agree with Merkel.


[MENTION=38994]dhump[/MENTION] what do you say ?

 

[Madplayer]

What a time we live in. Covering yourself in clothes is dehumanizing and roaming around almost naked/semi naked is not. Ethnocentrism will cause the end of this world (applies to all).

 

[Robert]

A difficult one for we Liberals.

One one hand we believe that the burkha is a heinous symbol of patriarchal oppression, anathema to our equal society.

On the other hand, legislation to force women to remove it is authoritarianism, state coercion, also anathema to us.

And some liberated, feminist British Muslim women choose to wear it, further confusing our value system.

 

[Thivagar]

The Iron Lady has dropped her cloak of welcoming immigrants and is now a populist islamophobe
How the mighty have fallen
I don't follow the opinion that the burka is mandatory and no one I know wears one but it is still the persons choice from the minimal amount of people out there who chose to wear one
Angela merkel has succumbed here I feel with her recent choice of words

I Condemn her statement.


The succide burqa clad women aswell as Laal Masjid Cleric have defamed Burqa, Veil and Islam. Unfortunate.


Still as a Homo Sapien plus as a Muslim I do not agree with Merkel.



[MENTION=38994]dhump[/MENTION] what do you say ?

What a time we live in. Covering yourself in clothes is dehumanizing and roaming around almost naked/semi naked is not. Ethnocentrism will cause the end of this world (applies to all).

Please understand that this is the law of the land, if you want to move to a country you must be willing to respect their culture and traditions. Despite the Arab/Islamic culture being so different from Germany's they have let 100,000s of thousands of people enter their nation without doing any proper background check for the sake of humanity. Merkel respected and believed in humanity and thus we have 100,000s of refugees that are safe and sound in a very well developed country. This is equivalent of trying to feed a starving man and him replying "I'm a vegan, I don't eat chicken".

 

[sshakir411]

the Burqa is not Islamic but rather Arabian. Please don't mix these two.

 

[Thivagar]

What a time we live in. Covering yourself in clothes is dehumanizing and roaming around almost naked/semi naked is not. Ethnocentrism will cause the end of this world (applies to all).

What is "naked/semi naked" is to you is not "naked" for the entire world. If you are willing to seek refuge in a country that is willing to take a huge risk to save your life, you better respect their traditions and values. If not, they can find another country that will accommodate their culture and religious practices which is unfortunately NONE.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Please understand that this is the law of the land, if you want to move to a country you must be willing to respect their culture and traditions. Despite the Arab/Islamic culture being so different from Germany's they have let 100,000s of thousands of people enter their nation without doing any proper background check for the sake of humanity. Merkel respected and believed in humanity and thus we have 100,000s of refugees that are safe and sound in a very well developed country. This is equivalent of trying to feed a starving man and him replying "I'm a vegan, I don't eat chicken".

Merkel previously did not have this problem.

Thankful to her for supporting Muslim refugees.

But my stance won't change.

 

[KingKhanWC]

What is "naked/semi naked" is to you is not "naked" for the entire world. If you are willing to seek refuge in a country that is willing to take a huge risk to save your life, you better respect their traditions and values. If not, they can find another country that will accommodate their culture and religious practices which is unfortunately NONE.

From this post it seems you haven't travelled much around Europe. The majority of women who wear this form of dress in Germany, France and UK are not refugees. They have lived in these countries for many years, some include converts. Do you want these people to leave too?

As for the OP, a political move to help remain in power , nothing more.

 

[troodon]

What a time we live in. Covering yourself in clothes is dehumanizing and roaming around almost naked/semi naked is not. Ethnocentrism will cause the end of this world (applies to all).

What a joke.

I heard some Muslims say that Saree is also semi naked as you can see the tummy and waist area of women.
Saree might be semi naked for Muslims. Not for us.

You think wearing skirts is roaming around naked/semi naked? I work in a corporate environment and I see women wearing skirts everyday. Its just their clothing.

With Burqa, I do not know what's inside it. Why would you want your women to be trapped in that Garment? What purpose does it serve?

 

[chacha kashmiri]

Please understand that this is the law of the land, if you want to move to a country you must be willing to respect their culture and traditions. Despite the Arab/Islamic culture being so different from Germany's they have let 100,000s of thousands of people enter their nation without doing any proper background check for the sake of humanity. Merkel respected and believed in humanity and thus we have 100,000s of refugees that are safe and sound in a very well developed country. This is equivalent of trying to feed a starving man and him replying "I'm a vegan, I don't eat chicken".

How many of the Syrians are wearing the face cover
Assads wife doesn't wear one does she


But yes if merkel feels rights are being infringed she has a right to make sure German values are respected and valued
I hope she wins a fourth term too

 

[Moiza]

Their country their choice. If women cant openly wear skirts in Muslim countries then why complain now. If they dont want the burqa then kindly lose it or better yet leave their country.

 

[Thivagar]

Merkel previously did not have this problem.

Thankful to her for supporting Muslim refugees.

But my stance won't change.

From this post it seems you haven't travelled much around Europe. The majority of women who wear this form of dress in Germany, France and UK are not refugees. They have lived in these countries for many years, some include converts. Do you want these people to leave too?

As for the OP, a political move to help remain in power , nothing more.

I never understood how covering the entire body, even the face is offensive ? If it is then why aren't all the Muslim women wearing them ? If it is a preferred choice, why not wear just the Hijab so everyone can see the person's face and feel comfortable ?

 

[The_KING]

Their country, their rules. Can a non Muslim roam around the streets of Pakistan wearing mini skirts? No, so why a Muslim be allowed to wear a rather backwards cultural dress that has nothing to do with Islam.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

I never understood how covering the entire body, even the face is offensive ? If it is then why aren't all the Muslim women wearing them ? If it is a preferred choice, why not wear just the Hijab so everyone can see the person's face and feel comfortable ?

Are you aware of comcept of Parda in Islam ?

A women is supposed to hide her face from Men who are neither her blood relations nor her husband.

The practicing women feels pride in herself that only her blood and husband have seen her amongst men and only they can recognise her.

There are also many other social benefits of Parda for women. You can read those online.

Women are not made by Allah to make strangers feel comfortable.

 

[Saeed]

Their country, their rules. Can a non Muslim roam around the streets of Pakistan wearing mini skirts? No, so why a Muslim be allowed to wear a rather backwards cultural dress that has nothing to do with Islam.

Nice to know. Hopefully you won't be complaining next time some woman is forced to dress in a certain way in Muslim countries.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I never understood how covering the entire body, even the face is offensive ? If it is then why aren't all the Muslim women wearing them ? If it is a preferred choice, why not wear just the Hijab so everyone can see the person's face and feel comfortable ?

I don't understand what you're trying to say here. Covering the body & face is not offensive to me. It's offensive to mainly those who have racism inside their blood.

 

[The_KING]

Nice to know. Hopefully you won't be complaining next time some woman is forced to dress in a certain way in Muslim countries.

Yes, I'll be complaining because in my eyes, burka especially covering of the face is offensive. Not wearing a burka isn't offensive.

 

[Saeed]

Yes, I'll be complaining because in my eyes, burka especially covering of the face is offensive. Not wearing a burka isn't offensive.

Hypocrite, you don't want Muslim to complain about German laws but have problem if same standards are applied somewhere else. Some people also find states forcing people dress in a certain offensive but rules are rules.

 

[street cricketer]

"Angela" Merkel not so much an angel now..

 

[Pakistanian]

Burka is not part of Islam from what I understand, it's oppressive and also a security concern since you can't see anyone's face. They should implement the same in Pakistan but allow women to wear Hijabs. Hope my comment isn't violating the comment guidelines.

 

[Varun]

Why are all of you rushing to the defense of what is essentially an Arabic (not Islamic) garment? Let it be banned.

An eye for an eye - you can't take a swig in Arabpur, BAM - ban the burqa in Deutsche Nagar.

Not that Merkel is going to win anyway, it'll be the other candidate who is more explicit in their views. Sticks with the theme of the 2010s - the cold, boring candidates can get the boot. In: Trump, Modi, Le Pen, and so on.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Their country their choice. If women cant openly wear skirts in Muslim countries then why complain now. If they dont want the burqa then kindly lose it or better yet leave their country.

I'm not a fan of the burqa so as already stated if they want to ban it then fine by me. But if they do it, should be to uphold their own values, not because of standards set by Muslim countries. Also why should those who wear them leave the country? Does that mean a Sikh who wants to wear a turban should pop off back to Punjab? Or a hindu woman wearing the sari take the next flight to Mumbai?

Just a poor post from start to finish.

 

[Thivagar]

I don't understand what you're trying to say here. Covering the body & face is not offensive to me. It's offensive to mainly those who have racism inside their blood.

I asked how is it offensive to Allah if you don't cover your face ? Isn't it optional?

 

[Thivagar]

Are you aware of comcept of Parda in Islam ?

A women is supposed to hide her face from Men who are neither her blood relations nor her husband.

The practicing women feels pride in herself that only her blood and husband have seen her amongst men and only they can recognise her.

There are also many other social benefits of Parda for women. You can read those online.

Women are not made by Allah to make strangers feel comfortable.

I'm not aware of it, please tell me whether it is mandatory or optional/suggestion/recommendation ?

Social benefits from wearing Niqab are subjective and there will always be equal social benefits to not wear them. If men were told to do the same, no one would do it. It is up to the male to control his urges, it is not the women's fault that she is attractive to the men.

 

[The_KING]

I don't understand what you're trying to say here. Covering the body & face is not offensive to me. It's offensive to mainly those who have racism inside their blood.

It's not about being offensive. It's just creepy. Please don't tell me that covering the face especially isn't creepy. When you talk to someone you wanna be able to look at their face. You don't just want to speak with a pair of eyes. That's creepy.

 

[mani1]

First its the burkha then next it would be the hijab etc

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

I'm not aware of it, please tell me whether it is mandatory or optional/suggestion/recommendation ?

Social benefits from wearing Niqab are subjective and there will always be equal social benefits to not wear them. If men were told to do the same, no one would do it. It is up to the male to control his urges, it is not the women's fault that she is attractive to the men.

I have mentioned Islamic perspective in The_KING's Hijab Thread today in two posts. You can read them

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...re-wife-to-wear-a-hijab&p=8983021#post8983021

Post number 41 & 42

 

[big_gamer007]

Not in support of the ban but can understand where she is coming from in a political sense of things..

 

[Thivagar]

I have mentioned Islamic perspective in The_KING's Hijab Thread today in two posts. You can read them

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...re-wife-to-wear-a-hijab&p=8983021#post8983021

Post number 41 & 42

Ok so it is an advice and therefore women can not cover their face to due law of the land right ? What about women who wear eye make up, wear glitz nail polish and wear burqa ? Do you personally follow all the required advice ? Do you believe that women should follow all the advice or do you feel that they can afford to skip few based on their environment and law of the land ?

 

[Donal Cozzie]

From a European perspective IMO any garment that totally covers the face should be banned. Its just incredibly backwards to totally hide your face in public not to mention could be abused to hide criminals and such. Not to mention really off putting having to speak to someone who wont even let you see their face if you work in a public setting.

Hijabs and such are absolutely fine, only a nutcase would have an issue with those.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Ok so it is an advice and therefore women can not cover their face to due law of the land right ? What about women who wear eye make up, wear glitz nail polish and wear burqa ? Do you personally follow all the required advice ? Do you believe that women should follow all the advice or do you feel that they can afford to skip few based on their environment and law of the land ?

The thread will be derailed.

If you want further insight into Islamic perspective and jurisprudence than open a seperate thread.

I shall be willing to answer all your queries.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

It's not about being offensive. It's just creepy. Please don't tell me that covering the face especially isn't creepy. When you talk to someone you wanna be able to look at their face. You don't just want to speak with a pair of eyes. That's creepy.

Islam asks us to do Creepy stuff ?

 

[The_KING]

Islam asks us to do Creepy stuff ?

Burqa and especially face covering isn't part of Islam

 

[Thivagar]

The thread will be derailed.

If you want further insight into Islamic perspective and jurisprudence than open a seperate thread.

I shall be willing to answer all your queries.

I don't want to do that. In your perspective I and few others won't be able to see it from your point of view anyway. Better if we leave it. I'll stick to asking you questions about new talents

 

[Madplayer]

What is "naked/semi naked" is to you is not "naked" for the entire world. If you are willing to seek refuge in a country that is willing to take a huge risk to save your life, you better respect their traditions and values. If not, they can find another country that will accommodate their culture and religious practices which is unfortunately NONE.

What about those who are born in that country and still wear the burqa? Where should they go ??
Secondly i didnt say that law of land should not be followed. just pointed towards ethnocentrism and imposing one's definition of liberalism and freedom on others.
For a woman wearing a bikini, burqa is a symbol of discrimination because the woman is completely covered, and perhaps conditioned to wear it.
Similarly a woman wearing burqa would feel that the lady wearing a bikini is being exploited and objectified and has been conditioned to think that wearing a bikini means being free.

But the fact is you cant say a woman is being objectified or is considered as an unequal person if she is willingly wearing a bikini or a burqa. Put a full stop there and let women wear what they want because the discussions about women being conditioned to accept wearing particular kind of clothes can never end. Again, its just my opinion, law of land should be followed but doesnt mean the law cannot be criticised.

 

[Madplayer]

What a joke.

I heard some Muslims say that Saree is also semi naked as you can see the tummy and waist area of women.
Saree might be semi naked for Muslims. Not for us.

You think wearing skirts is roaming around naked/semi naked? I work in a corporate environment and I see women wearing skirts everyday. Its just their clothing.

With Burqa, I do not know what's inside it. Why would you want your women to be trapped in that Garment? What purpose does it serve?

I dont have a problem with skirts or people roaming around completely naked on the streets. What i meant was why cant we let women decide what they want to wear? Your entire line of thought is wrong when u say "why do u want your women to be trapped in that garment?". What can i do if a woman wants to wear a burka??

Would you force a woman to not wear a burqa if she wants to wear it??? Instead laws should be passed which would ensure no woman is forced to wear what she doesnt want to wear be it a burqa or a bikini. Thats freedom of choice to women in my opinion. Now you can come up with arguments that they might be forced to wear a burqa and not complain etc etc but that can be a case in any kind of crime.

 

[Thivagar]

What about those who are born in that country and still wear the burqa? Where should they go ??
Secondly i didnt say that law of land should not be followed. just pointed towards ethnocentrism and imposing one's definition of liberalism and freedom on others.
For a woman wearing a bikini, burqa is a symbol of discrimination because the woman is completely covered, and perhaps conditioned to wear it.
Similarly a woman wearing burqa would feel that the lady wearing a bikini is being exploited and objectified and has been conditioned to think that wearing a bikini means being free.

But the fact is you cant say a woman is being objectified or is considered as an unequal person if she is willingly wearing a bikini or a burqa. Put a full stop there and let women wear what they want because the discussions about women being conditioned to accept wearing particular kind of clothes can never end. Again, its just my opinion, law of land should be followed but doesnt mean the law cannot be criticised.

I don't believe the fact that wearing Burqa is oppressive like some of the Westerners believe. I do believe that Muslim men shove laws down the throat of women more than their own men and again it happens everywhere. I do want others to see the face of people that are in front of them. No one should walk around covering their face. It is a matter of safety and comfort.

I'm not against religion and I don't understand why headscarves banned in France, but face veil is another story.

 

[Bilal7]

So much for freedom, democracy, liberal values and all the other veils that Europe was using to hide its intolerance. No difference between countries like France, Germany and the likes of Iran.

Canada is the last safe haven for true freedom. Long may it continue, Insh'Allah.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Burqa and especially face covering isn't part of Islam

Evidence ?

 

[Madplayer]

I don't believe the fact that wearing Burqa is oppressive like some of the Westerners believe. I do believe that Muslim men shove laws down the throat of women more than their own men and again it happens everywhere. I do want others to see the face of people that are in front of them. No one should walk around covering their face. It is a matter of safety and comfort.

I'm not against religion and I don't understand why headscarves banned in France, but face veil is another story.

Obligation of wearing a face veil in Islam is debatable. Again some women sporting face veil say that the person they are talking to should judge them by what they say and do rather than discriminate them on the basis of how beautiful they look (harsh reality of how the world works). Its just another way of thinking. Not necessarily a correct way of thinking.

Like i said, law of land should be followed. One can protest peacefully if they dont agree with it.

 

[dhump]

I Condemn her statement.


The succide burqa clad women aswell as Laal Masjid Cleric have defamed Burqa, Veil and Islam. Unfortunate.


Still as a Homo Sapien plus as a Muslim I do not agree with Merkel.



[MENTION=38994]dhump[/MENTION] what do you say ?

All the mess created in Germany by Muslim refugees from all over the world including Pakistan may lead to bigger problems this is just the beginning.

We are very very bad guests and we will end up being thrown out by the host.

I think this ban is needed and I really really respect Frau Merkel to still say things like with in rights and boundaries very liberal German laws allow such bans.

I personally support Merkel in her policies although I think she was too generous towards refugees in the past.

 

[Adil_94]

in public buildings i support a ban of the burqa. Each person should be able to be identified in public. same as u cant wear a balaclava or motor cycle helmets in certain buildings.

 

[Thivagar]

All the mess created in Germany by Muslim refugees from all over the world including Pakistan may lead to bigger problems this is just the beginning.

We are very very bad guests and we will end up being thrown out by the host.

I think this ban is needed and I really really respect Frau Merkel to still say things like with in rights and boundaries very liberal German laws allow such bans.

I personally support Merkel in her policies although I think she was too generous towards refugees in the past.

Why are you devaluing yourself by saying "we" when we are talking about the Arabs ? Arabs and Pakistanis are not the same. Pakistanis are much better than Arabs. Mentally Pakistanis are more desi than Arabs. I saw a man smoking a cigarette, wearing an Armani shirt complaining about sharing room with people he doesn't know. In my opinion Arabs are ungrateful people, backward beyond belief and look down upon others. Please don't include yourself in their pack.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Why are you devaluing yourself by saying "we" when we are talking about the Arabs ? Arabs and Pakistanis are not the same. Pakistanis are much better than Arabs. Mentally Pakistanis are more desi than Arabs. I saw a man smoking a cigarette, wearing an Armani shirt complaining about sharing room with people he doesn't know. In my opinion Arabs are ungrateful people, backward beyond belief and look down upon others. Please don't include yourself in their pack.

This sort of casual stereotyping would be classed as racism in most developed nations.

 

[dhump]

Why are you devaluing yourself by saying "we" when we are talking about the Arabs ? Arabs and Pakistanis are not the same. Pakistanis are much better than Arabs. Mentally Pakistanis are more desi than Arabs. I saw a man smoking a cigarette, wearing an Armani shirt complaining about sharing room with people he doesn't know. In my opinion Arabs are ungrateful people, backward beyond belief and look down upon others. Please don't include yourself in their pack.

by we I meant people who left their own countries and settle in others and problem is not only with Arabs Pakistanis,Afghans are making same problems. Actually number of rapes have increased and mostly involved are Afghan refugees in these cases.

 

[Madplayer]

by we I meant people who left their own countries and settle in others and problem is not only with Arabs Pakistanis,Afghans are making same problems. Actually number of rapes have increased and mostly involved are Afghan refugees in these cases.

Just a theory (can be dead wrong) : Most developed countries are white. When one white person goes to another white country to live or work, his complaints are usually not seen differently than the local white majority. While when black or brown people (immigrants or even locals) complain, its seen as being ungrateful.

 

[dhump]

Just a theory (can be dead wrong) : Most developed countries are white. When one white person goes to another white country to live or work, his complaints are usually not seen differently than the local white majority. While when black or brown people (immigrants or even locals) complain, its seen as being ungrateful.

When you can see that those black and brown people are given more respect and rights mostly than they have in their own countries the complaining sounds very very illogical specially when these countries ask them just to integrate and respect everyone's right to freedom.

Face covering here was not at all an issue before terrorism turn it into one.

 

[KingKhanWC]

It's not about being offensive. It's just creepy. Please don't tell me that covering the face especially isn't creepy. When you talk to someone you wanna be able to look at their face. You don't just want to speak with a pair of eyes. That's creepy.

It really isn't to me, it's the same as talking to someone on the phone. I don't need to see their face to communicate unless they are part of my family etc. Maybe it's because strange things have never bothered me. It's not something which I feel is needed at all but I respect the right of women to wear what they wish.

 

[Gilly]

Just a theory (can be dead wrong) : Most developed countries are white. When one white person goes to another white country to live or work, his complaints are usually not seen differently than the local white majority. While when black or brown people (immigrants or even locals) complain, its seen as being ungrateful.

Having seen this close up because I live in Australia when a white person from England migrates here they do whinge so you quite often hear people say "whinging Pom" or "go back to England if its better there". Same for Italians, Dutch and South Africans. The locals treat all migrants the same but some migrants react differently.

 

[Sherlock]

What she, and a lot of other politicians in the Western World are doing is catering not only to the middle-left, but also the middle-right/far-right.

After Brexit we've seen the Conservatives aligning themselves very much to what the UKIP supporters want. That's their way of getting them back onside after losing them to Farage.

You'll see more of this as the months go along. Not a complete shock but a dagger to the heart of liberty and conscience.

Last I read was Merkel wasn't in great shape going in the election now that some of the parties of come together.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

When you can see that those black and brown people are given more respect and rights mostly than they have in their own countries the complaining sounds very very illogical specially when these countries ask them just to integrate and respect everyone's right to freedom.

Face covering here was not at all an issue before terrorism turn it into one.

I think there needs to be a distinction made between black or brown citizens and black and brown immigrants. Obviously if you are an immigrant who has been persecuted in your own country for whatever reason, then any sort of rights would seem a godsend.

But there are also black and brown people who having been born and brought up in the west don't see themselves as any different to the local population and therefore want the same privileges and opportunities as anyone else regardless of ethnic background.

 

[dhump]

I think there needs to be a distinction made between black or brown citizens and black and brown immigrants. Obviously if you are an immigrant who has been persecuted in your own country for whatever reason, then any sort of rights would seem a godsend.

But there are also black and brown people who having been born and brought up in the west don't see themselves as any different to the local population and therefore want the same privileges and opportunities as anyone else regardless of ethnic background.

Which they will get in this case face covering ban will not only be or brown black people but for everyone.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

When you can see that those black and brown people are given more respect and rights mostly than they have in their own countries the complaining sounds very very illogical specially when these countries ask them just to integrate and respect everyone's right to freedom.

Face covering here was not at all an issue before terrorism turn it into one.

True words are not always pretty.



I agree.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Which they will get in this case face covering ban will not only be or brown black people but for everyone.

Which is fine, I'm sure everyone can live with it if that's the law of the land.

 

[shaykh]

Realpolitik...

German people have moved to the right so she is pandering...

 

[Thivagar]

When you can see that those black and brown people are given more respect and rights mostly than they have in their own countries the complaining sounds very very illogical specially when these countries ask them just to integrate and respect everyone's right to freedom.

Face covering here was not at all an issue before terrorism turn it into one.

Well now it is, people must understand that and therefore accept changes. Unfortunately certain changes do cause nuisances and it is uncomfortable for everyone. There was a time where you can walk in to the airplane even if you are just sending someone off and we can never ever have those times back. I don't support those cops that walk around in France grab people asking them to remove the burqa while they are with a child, but how else can we come to a compromise ? Have a female check in every person with a burqa when entering public buildings ? To be honest, as a neutral and someone that isn't blinded, I can't really support those who cover their faces in this situation.

 

[Thivagar]

Realpolitik...

German people have moved to the right so she is pandering...

That is what politicians do, they give public what they want. What is wrong with giving what the people want ? Everything is a trial and error. People went with Leftism, it didn't work so now they are siding with the Right. Down the road, they'll realize that Right may not be perfect and will move on to the Left, but not to the Left they were before but slight Right-er.

 

[Bhaijaan]

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