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Anil Kumble - How good was he?

Slog said:
It boggles me to see people talk about Kumble's match winning ability.

It is precisely his lack of match winning ability away from home why all the mountains of runs by the Fab 4 abroad usually went to waste. Those legends deserved to win many series' abroad and if India truly had an ATG bowler that bowler would have ensured a few series wins would have come their way abroad
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How can a spinner shoulder the burden of bowling in overseas conditions when the pacers can't do that? How many spinners from SC have consistently and single handedly won matches outside Asia without significant help from their pacemen?
 
Sachin136 said:
There can be a different standard for spinners.
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Can't be.

Don't remain in this illusion that there are only two ATG spinners. Kumble isn't probably even the best from India. Bedi surely is better and Chandra and Gupte are in similar category as Kumble, Chandra in particular has helped India win overseas too.
 
Buffet said:
Let me put his contribution in context.

  • He has played 32 Tests in SA+WI with average of 31-32. - Very good performance with that large a sample size
  • He has played 8 Tests in Zim+BD with average of somewhere in 20s -- Agianst minnows but a good performacne
  • He has played 38 tests in all other venues combined with average of 40 -- Poor performance with a large sample size
  • He has played 63 tests in India with average of 24 -- Absolute gun performance with a large sample size

So in context of Indian team and his contribution - he was a good and gun performers in 63+8+32 = 103 Tests

He was a poor performer in 38 Tests.

Now how many Indian bowlers or even any bowlers will have gun+good performance in 100+ Tests? If Kumble was not poor in 38 Tests , he would have been rated higher but he was poor in those 38 Tests. When all said and done , he was a gun performer for Indians in 100+ Tests as bowler. He must have played a large part in so many wins due to that.
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You have summed it up pretty well. When he was good he was dangerous but when he was bad he was treated like any other rookie spinner.
 
Slog said:
It boggles me to see people talk about Kumble's match winning ability.

It is precisely his lack of match winning ability away from home why all the mountains of runs by the Fab 4 abroad usually went to waste. Those legends deserved to win many series' abroad and if India truly had an ATG bowler that bowler would have ensured a few series wins would have come their way abroad
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That's coz he didn't have a support like Warne had, murli though was exceptional, but he too had crafty vaas as his support, not to forget both of them were ferocious spinners of ball.
 
Slog said:
It boggles me to see people talk about Kumble's match winning ability.

It is precisely his lack of match winning ability away from home why all the mountains of runs by the Fab 4 abroad usually went to waste. Those legends deserved to win many series' abroad and if India truly had an ATG bowler that bowler would have ensured a few series wins would have come their way abroad
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And your beloved legendary Abdul Qadir, (whom your countrymen hail as a genius) achieved so much away from home averaging a mind blowing 47.58 at an equally mind blowing SR of 97.9
 
Hitman said:
And your beloved legendary Abdul Qadir, (whom your countrymen hail as a genius) achieved so much away from home averaging a mind blowing 47.58 at an equally mind blowing SR of 97.9
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:facepalm: You're about the only here who calls him legendary. Are you drunk again?
 
IndianWillow said:
How can a spinner shoulder the burden of bowling in overseas conditions when the pacers can't do that? How many spinners from SC have consistently and single handedly won matches outside Asia without significant help from their pacemen?
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Murali averaged in 20s in most countries. If you take out Zimbabwe and Bangla, Kumble's away average is close to twice of Murali's.

If Kumble had even managed a steady performance where he took wickets and averaged let say near 30 even then there would have been some change in fortunes abroad. This is just poor.

Now the interesting thing is that Kumble's last tours to South Africa, England and Australia were statistically his best (though apart from SA the other 2 werent really great or unbelievable - just good). So his poor record is such despite this late career improvement on a relative level. Generally its still an ok record in these last tours.

So in a larger context his last tours were okay at best but for him they were among his best which shows the utter mediocrity exhibited in most countries abroad throughout his career. And people want to attach an ATG tag to such a bowler?? There just isnt a case unfortunately
 
ChachaCricket said:
:facepalm: You're about the only here who calls him legendary. Are you drunk again?
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Lot of pak fans do have a perception of Qadir being a mythological figure.. Have read in several posts before

Anyways neither him not Kumble are cricket greats
 
Hitman said:
And your beloved legendary Abdul Qadir, (whom your countrymen hail as a genius) achieved so much away from home averaging a mind blowing 47.58 at an equally mind blowing SR of 97.9
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LOL immature poster is gonna remain immature.

No one calls Abdul Qadir an ATG so its not relevant.
 
Chrish said:
Lot of pak fans do have a perception of Qadir being a mythological figure.. Have read in several posts before

Anyways neither him not Kumble are cricket greats
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No one calls him an ATG.

People (and neutrals) talk about him because he revived a dying art thats all. Before him good leg spin had been dead for close to 2 decades. Nobody calls him an ATG
 
Slog said:
LOL.

By that logic Wahab Riaz has earned your respect and is an all time great too.

Kumble always disappointed India and let down his illustrious teammates such as Sachin, Dravid, Laxman etc who scored runs upon runs even abroad and set up the match only for Kumble to do nothing (average 40 in multiple countries) and India to lose and let all the batsmens efforts go down the drain.

He is an ATG at home but India always do well well at home so you need to see how much was his contribution in terms of changing the fortune of Indian cricket. In that aspect nada
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That first line was for [MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION]'s post. It has nothing to do with how he earned my respect after only one match. I have actually seen him bowl so i know what i am talking about. You are only looking at stats but i have seen how he used to create chances only to be dropped by close in fielders.

I do rate wahab though but not because of one spell.
 
Do not derail threads. Take it as a warning.
 
The issue here is the ATG tag because the performances and his record just doesnt support the claim

Kumble is a great of the game and an Indian legend and an absolute beast at home that is wthout doubt.
 
Chrish said:
Lot of pak fans do have a perception of Qadir being a mythological figure.. Have read in several posts before

Anyways neither him not Kumble are cricket greats
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Mythological in the fact that he revived the art of legspin and possessed great skill. He was a good bowler who had some great series. That's all.
 
freelance_cricketer said:
Kumble is a greater cricketer than MOyo Yoni and Chanders. None of them had his match winning ability.
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All of them (including Jayawerdena) have match-winning ability (maybe except Chanderpaul) against certain oppositions or in certain parts of the world.

Bowlers are the one who have to take wickets, so test match victories are in their hand, in that sense, batsmen always do have lesser match-winning abilities. So while comparing a batsman or bowler you don't only see the match-winning ability.

For instance, Dravid have 15 centuries while Kumble have 20 five wicket hauls in victories so accordingly Kumble is even better match-winner than Dravid? But thats not how it is. Dravid has been instrumental in many great series wins for India.


I gave the batsmen analogies but among the bowlers as someone mentioned, he lies in Anderson category.
 
Hitman said:
Read this thread -

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showthread.php?161689-Why-does-no-one-mention-Abdul-Qadir

I'm not derailing this thread. Merely replying to you.
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Dont see anyone calling him an ATG in that thread so I dont know whats your point.

Also reply on the basis of Kumble's performances. Obviously you do not think he alone on his performance merits an ATG tag which is why you are bringing up random threads.

Also if anyone calls Qadir an ATG then he is wrong. Similar to people who call Kumble an ATG are wrong in my book. They are both spin legends for varying reasons(though Kumble is higher)
 
Slog said:
Dont see anyone calling him an ATG in that thread so I dont know whats your point.

Also reply on the basis of Kumble's performances. Obviously you do not think he alone on his performance merits an ATG tag which is why you are bringing up random threads.

Also if anyone calls Qadir an ATG then he is wrong. Similar to people who call Kumble an ATG are wrong in my book. They are both spin legends for varying reasons(though Kumble is higher)
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Kumble isn't in the league of elite spinners, I've always maintained that.
 
Abhilash93 said:
Sachin before his tennis elbow had scores of 71, 142, 96, 143, 139, 8, 23, 15 against a Murali led SL bowling attack (dismissed by Murali twice in 8 innings for 143 & 8).

It was only in the 2005 series that he struggled a bit against Murali. In 2008, he had a horrible tour, though mainly due to the Mendis mystery.

He was quite successful in the 2009 & 2010 series, averaging 66 at home & 78 away.

So, I would beg to differ with that assertion.


http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...n=8;template=results;type=batting;view=series
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I am talking about head to head. In those matches, among the ones in which Murali played for SL, his average drops down to 48.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...er_involve=2041;template=results;type=batting


But even this is his average against whole SL bowling attack.

I was talking about his average against Murali alone.

IIRC, he averaged in early 30s purely against Murali.
 
I wouldn't even call Kumble a borderline great tbh.. The guy was gutless overseas and at the end of the day, those perfomences are the most valuable

Call him "great" would be only downgrading the value of the term
 
Slog said:
Murali averaged in 20s in most countries. If you take out Zimbabwe and Bangla, Kumble's away average is close to twice of Murali's.

If Kumble had even managed a steady performance where he took wickets and averaged let say near 30 even then there would have been some change in fortunes abroad. This is just poor.

Now the interesting thing is that Kumble's last tours to South Africa, England and Australia were statistically his best (though apart from SA the other 2 werent really great or unbelievable - just good). So his poor record is such despite this late career improvement on a relative level. Generally its still an ok record in these last tours.

So in a larger context his last tours were okay at best but for him they were among his best which shows the utter mediocrity exhibited in most countries abroad throughout his career. And people want to attach an ATG tag to such a bowler?? There just isnt a case unfortunately
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Murali is an exception, Kumble is certainly below his level. If you take out Warne and Murali, there aren't too many challengers to Kumble. Anyway, Murali had his weaknesses too - he averaged 75 in Australia, and Kumble was never that bad anywhere. Murali was also carted around in India and averaged 45 on spin friendly wickets. Then there is the argument that he was never a proper bowler, which if true could explain how Murali was able to excel at that level without support from his pacemen. In general Asian bowlers don't have much success overseas without help from their pacers, Murali was a rare exception.
 
Stallion__ said:
I am talking about head to head. In those matches, among the ones in which Murali played for SL, his average drops down to 48.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...er_involve=2041;template=results;type=batting


But even this is his average against whole SL bowling attack.

I was talking about his average against Murali alone.

IIRC, he averaged in early 30s purely against Murali.
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I have only mentioned those matches in which Murali was playing. There were two other Ind-SL series where they did not face each other, Murali was missing in one & SRT in another.
 
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Chrish said:
I wouldn't even call Kumble a borderline great tbh.. The guy was gutless overseas and at the end of the day, those perfomences are the most valuable

Call him "great" would be only downgrading the value of the term
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Id call him a great but not ATG.

even if he had 4-5 headline away tours in 18 year career there might have been a case. But his away record is really poor honestly and there is no way out of it. The much derided Bhajji has similar record. (could be argued better because he had a great series in 2009 win in NZ)
 
Abhilash93 said:
I have only mentioned those matches in which Murali was playing. There were two other tours where Murali & Sachin were missing respectively.
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I think you mentioned whole series. Maybe in some matches of them, either Murali or Sachin won't be playing. I just filtered your link with Murali, and it cut out 6 matches.
 
Stallion__ said:
I think you mentioned whole series. Maybe in some matches of them, either Murali or Sachin won't be playing. I just filtered your link with Murali, and it cut out 6 matches.
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I wasn't talking about that link. I was referring to the scores of 71, 142, 96, 143, 139, 8, 23, 15 in 1993/94 & 1997/98. Before the tennis elbow injury, he was quite prolific against Murali.

1993/94 Season:

Sachin got 71. Murali 4 wkts in 1993, Colombo.

Sachin got 142. Murali got 5-fer in 1994 in Lucknow.

Sachin got 96. Murali got 4 wkts in Bangalore.

Sachin out for 6 to Wickramasinghe in Ahmedabad.



1997/98 Season:

143 in Colombo, dismissed by Murali.

139 in 1st innings & 8 in 2nd innings (dismissed by Murali) at SSC.

23 at Mohali.

15 at Nagpur.
 
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Chrish said:
I wouldn't even call Kumble a borderline great tbh.. The guy was gutless overseas and at the end of the day, those perfomences are the most valuable

Call him "great" would be only downgrading the value of the term
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How is a spinner's contribution the most valuable for an Asian country outside Asia? This is like asking for valuable contributions from Johnson while playing in India.

If India had one or two better pacemen they would have won a lot more matches overseas and Kumble too would have finished with much better figures by joining the party.
 
Abhilash93 said:
I wasn't talking about that link. I was referring to the scores of 71, 142, 96, 143, 139, 8, 23, 15 in 1993/94 & 1997/98. Before the tennis elbow injury, he was quite prolific against Murali.

1993/94 Season:

Sachin got 71. Murali 4 wkts in 1993, Colombo.

Sachin got 142. Murali got 5-fer in 1994 in Lucknow.

Sachin got 96. Murali got 4 wkts in Bangalore.

Sachin out for 6 to Wickramasinghe in Ahmedabad.



1997/98 Season:

143 in Colombo, dismissed by Murali.

139 in 1st innings & 8 in 2nd innings (dismissed by Murali) at SSC.

23 at Mohali.

15 at Nagpur.
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Murali only developed into a great bowler after 1998 Oval win against England. Till then, he wasn't anything special. Had a bowling average of 32-33 till then.

So if you are making a case of tennis elbow for Sachin, similar case for Murali can be made.

In other words, none of them played each other in their prime.
 
Hitman said:
And your beloved legendary Abdul Qadir, (whom your countrymen hail as a genius) achieved so much away from home averaging a mind blowing 47.58 at an equally mind blowing SR of 97.9
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Obsession? :afridi
 
Stallion__ said:
Murali only developed into a great bowler after 1998 Oval win against England. Till then, he wasn't anything special. Had a bowling average of 32-33 till then.

So if you are making a case of tennis elbow for Sachin, similar case for Murali can be made.

In other words, none of them played each other in their prime.
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That makes sense.

Btw, I am only making a case for Tennis elbow for the 2005 series.
 
Kumble performed very poorly on overseas tours in the first few years of his career The man often used to go for 2/250, 1/175 playing against Srilanka in Srilanka. Those were horrendous pitches.

Fact is, Kumble was a gun bowler. The one bowler I could trust to get a wicket when India is in trouble, Not a big spinner of the ball, his bowling is all about change of speed. His Yorkers were legendary.

Kumble was and is the only Indian bowler who could bowl yorkers at will. On spinning tracks of India with uneven bounce, he was lethal.
 
Slog said:
It boggles me to see people talk about Kumble's match winning ability.

It is precisely his lack of match winning ability away from home why all the mountains of runs by the Fab 4 abroad usually went to waste. Those legends deserved to win many series' abroad and if India truly had an ATG bowler that bowler would have ensured a few series wins would have come their way abroad
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Pacers matter too.

Kumble was sub par overseas but when your pacers are garbage, you can't do much anyways.

Spinners are mainly supporting roles outside Asia.
 
Slog said:
It boggles me to see people talk about Kumble's match winning ability.

It is precisely his lack of match winning ability away from home why all the mountains of runs by the Fab 4 abroad usually went to waste. Those legends deserved to win many series' abroad and if India truly had an ATG bowler that bowler would have ensured a few series wins would have come their way abroad
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How many sub-continent spinners have won matches for their sides outside SC ? Very few. Its the fast bowlers who win you Tests in England, SA, Australia. There may be those rare tracks that help the spinners a bit and he has done decebtly on those.

Helped India win a Test in SA in 2006, a draw by getting a 12-fer in Sydney in 2003/04, a win at Trent Bridge in 2007 with Zak & 7-fer in an innings victory at Headingley in 2007.

He is a level below the ATG tier which is not very crowded either.
 
theAfridian said:
What would be the highest average for a SC pace bowler to qualify as an ATG?
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Around 30, provided the bowler has many strong performances against strong sides. Nowadays, I think we may need to relax it to 32-33 because cricket has become a batsman's game. Once Steyn is gone, we are unlikely to see a sub 25 bowler (over entire career) unless the laws of cricket/pitches become bowler friendly again.
 
IndianWillow said:
Around 30, provided the bowler has many strong performances against strong sides. Nowadays, I think we may need to relax it to 32-33 because cricket has become a batsman's game. Once Steyn is gone, we are unlikely to see a sub 25 bowler (over entire career) unless the laws of cricket/pitches become bowler friendly again.
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I agree with your perspective in the future, you my well be right there but I feel for bowlers of the past and playing today this is not a huge assignment if anyone who averages 30 and say takes 250 wickets or more...
 
IndianWillow said:
Only a little below? Kumble could not turn the ball much, which is why the gap between him and other ATG like Warne and Murali is not small. Kumble made up for lack of turn with his variations and courage, but there is a limit to what a spin bowler can achieve without turn. Kumble overachieved due to his never say die attitude, but skillwise he is not comparable to Murali or Warne.
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I think we are splitting hairs. To be clear there are Warne and Murali, and then daylight..then Kumble. he is the 3rd best spinner in the history of the Game.

As regards his lack of spin, yes you are absolutely correct and I think the whole cricketing fraternity would acknowledge that Kumble was not as big a turner of the ball as Warne or Murali. But i think you need to only turn at least half a bat width each way to be effective which Kumble did with ease. But he was a very tall and fast leg spinner and this has it own unique threats.

Lets not look to compare him to Murali and Warne but celebrate the player that he was and all that he achieved.
 
Stallion__ said:
Can't be.

Don't remain in this illusion that there are only two ATG spinners. Kumble isn't probably even the best from India. Bedi surely is better and Chandra and Gupte are in similar category as Kumble, Chandra in particular has helped India win overseas too.
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Who do you regard as ATG spinners other than Warne, Muralitharan and Kumble (assuming you do not consider Kumble one of them)?
 
Sachin136 said:
Who do you regard as ATG spinners other than Warne, Muralitharan and Kumble (assuming you do not consider Kumble one of them)?
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Underwood, Laker, A couple from the quartet - Bedi/Chandra (Prasanna could have made it if he did not take a sabbatical for college), Saqlain, Lance Gibbs, Mushtaq, Benaud ?
 
Abid Z said:
I think we are splitting hairs. To be clear there are Warne and Murali, and then daylight..then Kumble. he is the 3rd best spinner in the history of the Game.

As regards his lack of spin, yes you are absolutely correct and I think the whole cricketing fraternity would acknowledge that Kumble was not as big a turner of the ball as Warne or Murali. But i think you need to only turn at least half a bat width each way to be effective which Kumble did with ease. But he was a very tall and fast leg spinner and this has it own unique threats.

Lets not look to compare him to Murali and Warne but celebrate the player that he was and all that he achieved.
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That is questionable too. He could be the third best modern spinner through the sheer strength of numbers. I am sure there have been better spinners in the past, with better all round figures. There used to be times when the LBW laws were easier on the batsmen; there were eras of home umpires - there are spinners who had to face these challenges yet have better overseas records compared to Kumble. Benaud, Laker, Grimmet, O'Reilly, Verity, Underwood, Bedi, Chandra, Gupte, Gibbs etc - all these were better spinners compared to Kumble, though Kumble may edge them out due to his home numbers.
 
Good enough to be an Indian 'great'.

As for him taking 10 wickets in an innings, there have been threads in the past where each one of his wicket in that spell was discussed in detail. And Pak fans couldn't come up with any excuses when they were discussed. It's has just become common for Pak fans to rubbish his effort and bring up biased umpiring to the topic, without any knowledge.
 
Mamoon said:
One of the best bowler ever when it comes to home conditions, but mediocre away even though he improved his record in the last few years.

He was won countless matches for India and was as pivotal to their success in the 90's as Tendulkar.

Overall, probably a rung below all-time great status because of his away record.
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I would hold him in the bracket of Underwood and Lock who did well on sticky wickets. Unfortunately Kumble never had such wickets to bowl on. If I have a sticky wicket, I will depend on Kumble. For me, would have been better than Underwood on them.
 
Stallion__ said:
I am talking about head to head. In those matches, among the ones in which Murali played for SL, his average drops down to 48.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...er_involve=2041;template=results;type=batting


But even this is his average against whole SL bowling attack.

I was talking about his average against Murali alone.

IIRC, he averaged in early 30s purely against Murali.
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Sachin had it tough after Murali developed the doosra in early 2000. The performances alarmingly leveled after that.
 
Abhilash93 said:
I wasn't talking about that link. I was referring to the scores of 71, 142, 96, 143, 139, 8, 23, 15 in 1993/94 & 1997/98. Before the tennis elbow injury, he was quite prolific against Murali.
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Don't agree it's the tennis elbow. Rather it's Murali's doosra, not allowing Sachin to use his feet. I have the impression that he never read Murali out of the hand.
 
Former India captain, Anil Kumble, has been appointed as the Director of Cricket Operations of Kings XI Punjab to take the team forward ahead of the 2020 VIVO Indian Premier League.

Kumble played the IPL for three seasons until 2010, captaining the Royal Challengers Bangalore, and then took over as mentor in 2011, and later served in the same role for the Mumbai Indians. His last coaching stint was a year with the Indian cricket team, up until 2017.

“It is a great challenge for me and an opportunity to get involved in the IPL again,” Kumble told KXIP.in. “I look forward to working with the owners and the players, and hope to make a significant contribution with the team.”

The team management expressed their confidence in the choice the franchise had made.

“The world knows about his cricketing and coaching abilities. He's a very calm, cool and collected person,” Ness Wadia, co-owner of KXIP, had told the Times of India. “He comes with a lot of experience in the IPL, having worked with two other franchises in the past, and also with the Indian team. We're pretty sure that under his leadership, Kings XI will do very well.”

Kumble joins the team following the departure of Head Coach Mike Hesson, whose journey with Kings XI Punjab ended in August earlier this year, with the latest announcement likely to shake up things within the squad.

"Kumble will decide who all players will stay and who all will be released,” KXIP co-owner Mohit Burman told the New Indian Express.

Fondly known as ‘Jumbo’, Kumble made his international debut in 1990 and had a career spanning 18 years. He is third in the list of highest wicket-takers in Tests, with 619 scalps and his ODI record is equally impressive with 334 wickets.

The crowning glory of his career came in the second Test of the 1999 series against Pakistan. Kumble quite literally ran through the line-up, as he picked up each wicket to fall in the second innings, ending up with figures of 10/74.

https://www.kxip.in/news/anil-kumble-joins-kings-xi-punjab-as-director-of-cricket-operations
 
Former India skipper Anil Kumble on Saturday said that "being part of the Indian side for 18 years was the biggest moment of his life". (More Cricket News)

Recalling his 18-year-long career, the leg-spinner said the Test series win against Pakistan and England was the golden moment of his career.

"For me, winning the Test series against Pakistan, in England. Being a part of the Indian team for 18 years was the biggest moment. Playing for the country and leading the team was a great honour. Of course, I will always be remembered for the ten wickets and that is something that will remain as my best performance. I had some wonderful moments throughout my career," Kumble told reporters after attending the 22nd Odisha Knowledge Hub Lecture series at Bhubaneswar.

The third-highest wicket-taker of all time in Tests cricket, 619 wickets in 132 games, hailed Odisha's participation in sports.

"It's good to see Odisha now taking the lead. I strongly believe that with so many experienced athletes we will see some champions emerging from the state," said Kumble.

Many initiatives have been taken by Odisha Chief Minister Naveen Patnaik and already international events like the 2018 Hockey World Cup has been organised here.

Kumble further stated that there is a need to focus on grassroots and a lot of infrastructure needs to be created for that.

"To become a sporting nation, we need to focus and invest at the grassroots level. This will lead to competition as well as raise the benchmark and help us win medals in the Olympics," Kumble said.

When asked about the retirement of MS Dhoni he said, "Only Dhoni can tell you".

Finance Minister of Odisha Niranjan Pujari, Development Commissioner Suresh Mahapatra, 5 T Secretary V.Kartikeyan Pandian, Sujata Pandian and many senior officers from the sports department were also present in this program.

https://www.outlookindia.com/websit...ble-reveals-biggest-moment-of-his-life/345190
 
Disclaimer ; I don't think Kumble was ATG. But lets put everything in context and then go by the numbers :
1) Warne : In majority of cases in spin unfriendly places, he had all the support from McGrath, Blee, etc. Those guys notch the top 3/4/5 wickets, with Warnie to do clean up. Plus, he failed miserably when Mcgrath, and fast men were not able to take wickets upfront (example Indian tours). He , however, was slightly successful in 2004 , when Kasprowicz, McGrath, Lee, Gillispie dismantled the top and middle order batsmen.
2) Murali : Chucked the whole career, so I will never say he was ATG.
3) Kumble : Like Sachin was only batsman in India team of 90s. Similarly, Kumble was the only bowler who could get them wickets be it home or away. He never got any support at all (only at later stage, when Harbhajan came)


No matter how much wickets these guys have taken, but if you look at the records of Saqlain, and Swann. These were the outstanding bowlers of almost any conditions (barring few games where they performed badly)
 
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