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"Another Test match, another England batting collapse" : David 'Bumble' Lloyd

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Another Test match, another England batting collapse. The team are just unable to cope with a hint of movement at the moment.

Everybody was saying England will be fine, back at home where they've got a great record, but they're technically flawed against the moving ball.

Having been in New Zealand and witnessed first-hand that 58 all out at Auckland, I saw exactly the same here today - pitch it up, and we just nick it. Look at a pitch map of the dismissals and they're all in the same area.

There are people saying Joe Root should have bowled first after winning the toss. But whatever you decide to do, you've got to do it well.

It's all far too loose from the England batsmen. In fact, look at the captain's dismissal - Root did well to reach it, never mind nick it! They need to tighten up, concentrate. You can't just keep saying 'oh, that's the way we play'.

Alastair Cook was the one batsman who did just that, showing his usual concentration. But I also want to know who has he been working with because his approach was notably different?

He came out of the crease, out of the lines, and played some good drives. I bet in his 70 today, he didn't play one cut shot. I might be wrong, but how often can you say that of a Cook innings?

He got well forward to the ball, which is not his game, so he has obviously thought 'everybody pitches it up to me now, and I need to do something different'.

The opposition are doing their homework on England. This Pakistan attack are inexperienced, but they have good pace - in the high 80 miles per hour - and wicket-to-wicket, line and length bowlers. Mohammad Abbas and Hasan Ali were terrific and absolutely perfect for these conditions.

Who is the bowling coach? Well, none other than Azhar Mahmood, who has played in England for years.

He must have been influential with these young 'uns at Lord's, teaching them about the slope, telling them to pitch it up. And they've listened. Their disciplines were excellent.

I was encouraged by England's new, exciting lower middle order of Jonny Bairstow, Ben Stokes and Jos Buttler at No 5, 6 and 7. But all three only showed glimpses of what they are capable of in the first innings. They've got to convert.

They weren't the only big-hitters on show on day one at Lord's though; we had the big lad Scott Quinnell in The Zone taking on the bowling machine.

We had a real good yarn and a chat, the parts I understood. I'm very proud that my family background is Welsh - you can tell, David Lloyd, and my dad was David George Lloyd - but Scott is deep Welsh!

What a character though. A fabulous bloke. I've never met him before, but he was full of energy, and great fun.

As for his batting ability? Stick to rugby, Scott. Though I wouldn't tell him that.

http://www.skysports.com/cricket/ne...oyd-as-pakistan-dismiss-them-for-184-at-lords
 
I would say England need to be a bit patient. This is an inexperienced England side.

Root, Bairstow, Stokes and Buttler will come good eventually.
 
I would say England need to be a bit patient. This is an inexperienced England side.

Root, Bairstow, Stokes and Buttler will come good eventually.
Hardly inexperienced. Cook, Root, Stokes, Bairstow have played quite a bit of Test cricket. Stoneman is average, while Buttler will never be a good Test player IMO. Malan is the only one, who you can say is inexperienced and has good potential.

England is struggling because they have no idea how to play attritional cricket. It's all good in LOI cricket, which shows in the results, but the gung-ho approach backfires horribly in Test cricket.
 
They keep on chopping and changing, shuffling the order etc what do you expect...the coach needs to go but that will have to wait until England exit the world cup during the group stages in 2019 after another mauling from Ireland
 
They seem to never settle on a 2nd opener. They've tried so many people recently. Keaton Jennings, Sam Robson, Adam Lyth, Alex Hales, Haseeb Hameed, Moeen Ali in UAE just to name a few. Stoneman's time looks to be up too. Also they can never settle on a couple of middle order batsmen. James Vince has come and gone, Tom Westley has come and gone, Gary Ballance has come and gone/

So there is definite weak spots there. I think when Stokes and Buttler got out very close to each other it was the turning point
 
Why does the English Test XI ALWAYS have a different opener to partner Cook? Jennings seemed good and so did Hameed, yet they weren't persisted with. Remember Ali opening, those baldies in Lyth and that bloke who got terminally ill. Roy, Hales and now Stoneman. If I'm not wrong, I think I even remember Stokes opening in Bangladesh..
 
England are constantly 3 or 4 down for 100 in almost every Test match. One of the biggest issues is the opening partnership - Stoneman doesn't look like he can make the stepup to Test level. I think Rory Burns will be the next cab off the rank.

Malan did well on grassless Australian pitches but I'm still unconvinced he's the solution. His footwork can be indecisive and only averages 30 after a dozen Tests.

Why does the English Test XI ALWAYS have a different opener to partner Cook? Jennings seemed good and so did Hameed, yet they weren't persisted with. Remember Ali opening, those baldies in Lyth and that bloke who got terminally ill. Roy, Hales and now Stoneman. If I'm not wrong, I think I even remember Stokes opening in Bangladesh..

Jennings was Philander's bunny last summer and had issues outside his offstump. Hameed has completely lost form in domestic cricket.
 
England are an average test team. Bowling lacks variety and they can't seem to find any quality batsmen. Would like to see Hameed back in the line up. Hopefully for them Bairstow performs at 5 and Root can improve his conversition rate.
 
Maybe give the opposition little credit perhaps? Our bowling attack is one of the best in the world and even when Cook was going strong England never looked like breaking free.
 
Maybe give the opposition little credit perhaps? Our bowling attack is one of the best in the world and even when Cook was going strong England never looked like breaking free.

Never. When we do well, others fail. When we do poor, we are crap. That's the verdict around here.
 
England discard their players very quickly and hence the team is never settled. Even their test team.

Nonetheless this is terrific stuff by Pakistan
 
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