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5,000-strong mob attacks Muslim village after a clash between Hindu-Muslim students; dozens of homes ransacked, 20 houses torched

GUJARAT: One person was killed and at least 12 were injured in a clash between Hindu and Muslim students in Vadavali village in Gujarat’s Patan district.

According to Indian media, the tragedy followed a scuffle between two students of Class 10 after their board exams. Sources said the two students were climbing down the stairs in their school after their exams when one of them fell. This led to an argument that turned physical and other students joined in.

According to Additional DGP Tirth Raj, the students alerted villagers and soon, a mob of around 5,000 people attacked the Muslim residents of Vadavali village, ransacked dozens of homes and torched around 20 houses, vehicles and other properties.

A 25-year-old man, Ibrahim Belim, was killed in the violence and at least five of the injured are said to be critical. Police said they fired more than seven rounds and lobbed dozens of tear gas shells to disperse the mob.

A number of Muslim residents of Vadavali have fled to neighbouring villages and many have taken shelter at a medical college in the nearby Dharpur village. Director General of Police PP Pandey said though the violence has subsided, three companies of the State Reserve Police will stay deployed in the village to maintain peace.

Vadavali, which has a sizable Muslim population, is a ‘Samras’ village, a government scheme under which villagers choose their ward members and sarpanch through consensus instead of holding elections. Vadavali has a Muslim sarpanch.

Superintendent of Police of Patan district, Ashwin Chauhan, said, “We are combing the villages to ensure normalcy and are also trying to identify the accused.” According to PPI, a crowd of about 5,000 people attacked the Muslim residents and set dozens of homes and vehicles on fire. Gujarat is home state of Indian Prime MinisterMuhammad Saleh Zaafir adds from Islamabad: A Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) MLA from Uttar Pradesh (UP) has threatened to break limbs of those who kill and disrespect cows, remarks that could spark a controversy.

https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/194754-Anti-Muslim-riots-erupt-in-Modis-Gujarat

www.thehindu.com/news/national/two-killed-in-gujarat-clashes/article17664738.ece
 
Modi must give free hand to the police to avoid these incidents.
 
The terrorist mob will be elected to be lead the nation just as our gteat supreme leader Modi

He has been given a clean chit by the courts in the country , whose decision you must respectm
 
I imagine this will be turned round by the Hindutvas on social media so that it becomes the Muslims who instigated it like the last time round.
 
I imagine this will be turned round by the Hindutvas on social media so that it becomes the Muslims who instigated it like the last time round.

Yes. They are already saying that some girl was harrased by muslim kids of 10th class. I saw it in fb.
 
Sad that communal clashes are still a reality in India. How long are they going to burn each other's houses? :facepalm:
 
I imagine this will be turned round by the Hindutvas on social media so that it becomes the Muslims who instigated it like the last time round.

The reports on 2002 riots were indeed facts. Not sure about this.
 
The Hindu RSS terrorist Mobs are well organised, aided by 'blind eyed' Authorities.
The local police eventually carry out token protection measures to satisfy the outside world observers.
With all the past and present oppression, I'm amazed there hasn't been a Major Muslim uprising in Gujerat.
 
The Hindu RSS terrorist Mobs are well organised, aided by 'blind eyed' Authorities.
The local police eventually carry out token protection measures to satisfy the outside world observers.
With all the past and present oppression, I'm amazed there hasn't been a Major Muslim uprising in Gujerat.

A clash taking communal form isn't exactly oppression. These things cool down after some time.
 
This was inevitable. Muslims from India keep hush about occupied Kashmir to prove they are so patriotic. Unfortunately for them RSS and yogis don't consider them real Indian but invaders from Arab countries. So they will do what they are doing right now in occupied territories.
 
India needs a strong education system which teaches them about the people and its history.

A portion of the population converts to Islam a few hundred years ago and the present day Hindus treat these Muslims as outsiders. Such a pathetic attitude.

Just remove the attire and you simply cannot tell which is Hindu and which is Muslim. When will these backward baboons realize they are all Indians who happen to pray to different Gods? Not in my life time

Shameful and disgraceful in this day and age. :facepalm:

Too much population and too many jobless Losers waiting for their chance to act Macho even if it means killing a fellow Indian who is of the same blood and root.
 
This was inevitable. Muslims from India keep hush about occupied Kashmir to prove they are so patriotic. Unfortunately for them RSS and yogis don't consider them real Indian but invaders from Arab countries. So they will do what they are doing right now in occupied territories.

RSS is the absolute worst. I spoke to a RSS sympathizer recently and he thinks all Muslims in India are Arabs and Middle Easterners who have no business in India. :facepalm:

Most of these RSS monkeys do not even know how an Arab looks like.
 
Nothing to see here folks, just our annual communal clash.

Pretty much. It is impossible to avoid conflict when you have an endless supply of fools willing to kill for their respective Gods.
 
one day the Hindus will push it a little too far and the Muslims will setup some secretive group for protection like in other places and that will lead to chaos. I say to our Hindu friends be careful what you wish for.
 
India may have found their Zia in Modi. It's all fun and games now but fast forward to 10-15 years from now and "secular India" wouldn't be very secular if things keep heading in this direction. Trust me we have been there done that.


Infact Pakistan has been turning another leaf with the recent promulgation of the Hindu marriage bill or observing of minority religious festivals like Holi, Easter etc. We still have a long way to go but we are finally getting rid of Zia's tyrannical policies.
 
one day the Hindus will push it a little too far and the Muslims will setup some secretive group for protection like in other places and that will lead to chaos. I say to our Hindu friends be careful what you wish for.

You sound no different to the likes of Yogi Aditiyanath here. Yet, you will label him a saffron hooligan for the same, while in your mind, you are a noble man warning Indian Hindus of impending justice.

From article headline from Pakistani media, to all the replies here, everything revolves projecting the clash as a "Muslim oppression in India".

Has Pakistani media EVER covered stories of 10,000 strong Muslim mob burning 200 Hindu homes in 2013? Did Pakistani media cover 50 more Hindu homes being burnt by Muslim mob in 2016? No. Why? Because all you guys and your media thrives on is propaganda.
 
India may have found their Zia in Modi. It's all fun and games now but fast forward to 10-15 years from now and "secular India" wouldn't be very secular if things keep heading in this direction. Trust me we have been there done that.


Infact Pakistan has been turning another leaf with the recent promulgation of the Hindu marriage bill or observing of minority religious festivals like Holi, Easter etc. We still have a long way to go but we are finally getting rid of Zia's tyrannical policies.

Here is what happened months before Modi came to power. A mob of 10,000 Muslims burnt 200 Hindu homes in Bengal. http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/200-...illage-by-mob-protesting-clerics-death-514216

Didn't see anyone here worrying about "Secular India" then. I know Pakistan needs reasons to feel good about it's pathetic treatment of minorities... but the extent of propaganda to achieve that is truly disgusting.
 
India needs a strong education system which teaches them about the people and its history.

A portion of the population converts to Islam a few hundred years ago and the present day Hindus treat these Muslims as outsiders. Such a pathetic attitude.

Just remove the attire and you simply cannot tell which is Hindu and which is Muslim. When will these backward baboons realize they are all Indians who happen to pray to different Gods? Not in my life time

Shameful and disgraceful in this day and age. :facepalm:

Too much population and too many jobless Losers waiting for their chance to act Macho even if it means killing a fellow Indian who is of the same blood and root.

err not to put a spanner in the works but if a Muslim and Hindu remove their attire then it will be very clear who the Muslim is and who the Hindu is,...


on a serious note, it seems Indian fascists are becoming ever bolder as the BJP racks up victories in states. And I have to be a little harsh on the Indian Muslim community. They think they can keep their head down and nothing will happen to them. They are gravely mistaken. They should be prepared for ethnic cleansing and think ahead. india needs a new Muslim league and a return to the political desire of the Pakistan movement. That alone will be enough to spook the fascists!!
 
You sound no different to the likes of Yogi Aditiyanath here. Yet, you will label him a saffron hooligan for the same, while in your mind, you are a noble man warning Indian Hindus of impending justice.

From article headline from Pakistani media, to all the replies here, everything revolves projecting the clash as a "Muslim oppression in India".

Has Pakistani media EVER covered stories of 10,000 strong Muslim mob burning 200 Hindu homes in 2013? Did Pakistani media cover 50 more Hindu homes being burnt by Muslim mob in 2016? No. Why? Because all you guys and your media thrives on is propaganda.

So one story about Muslim mob, which knowing the Ind media is probably made up( remember those surgical strikes that you guys so welcomingly proclaimed, and we have heard nothing about since) and you see it as an equal fight. You are lucky that you are dealing with Muslims that are quite tame and have taken this sh... from the your ruling party, i can think of many places where it would be open warfare.
 
Here is what happened months before Modi came to power. A mob of 10,000 Muslims burnt 200 Hindu homes in Bengal. http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/200-...illage-by-mob-protesting-clerics-death-514216

Didn't see anyone here worrying about "Secular India" then. I know Pakistan needs reasons to feel good about it's pathetic treatment of minorities... but the extent of propaganda to achieve that is truly disgusting.

We don't have to feel good about ourselves. You guys are imploding on your own.
 
So one story about Muslim mob, which knowing the Ind media is probably made up( remember those surgical strikes that you guys so welcomingly proclaimed, and we have heard nothing about since) and you see it as an equal fight. You are lucky that you are dealing with Muslims that are quite tame and have taken this sh... from the your ruling party, i can think of many places where it would be open warfare.

So Muslims burning 200 Hindu homes is a "made up" story.

But Hindus burning 20 Hindu homes today defines India.

You guys are so pathetic with your religious hypocrisy that you don't even realize how much you are blinded by it.
 
We don't have to feel good about ourselves. You guys are imploding on your own.

Oh you do. Nothing else explains Pakistani media cherry picking clashes where Muslims are victims while keeping mum on 10 times bigger riots where Hindus suffer.

If your concerns for "secular India" is so genuine, then I wouldn't expect this hypocrisy either from you or your media.
 
While communal incidents like these need to be controlled ASAP, Neither is India imploding nor is its secularism going anywhere.Some PPers may wish so, but it aint happening.

Its surprisng how people from an Islamic republic talk about secularism, where is that secularism in their own country?Where are the minority rights?Look at the mirror before pointing fingers at others.
 
So Muslims burning 200 Hindu homes is a "made up" story.

But Hindus burning 20 Hindu homes today defines India.

You guys are so pathetic with your religious hypocrisy that you don't even realize how much you are blinded by it.

No my friend we are not blinded by anything, its your govts desperation to showcase its fascism thats causing all the problems. For whats its worth, i am believer in live and let live and on a personal level i have nothing against Hindus and if the Muslims did burn any houses they also need to be condemned but you live in a society where no one dare speak against Modi and friends. If you dont believe me go on one of your newspaper websites and the vile abuse people get for challenging him.
 
Oh you do. Nothing else explains Pakistani media cherry picking clashes where Muslims are victims while keeping mum on 10 times bigger riots where Hindus suffer.

If your concerns for "secular India" is so genuine, then I wouldn't expect this hypocrisy either from you or your media.

They are obssessed. Why else will who becomes a CM in a province in India be National news in Pakistan?Why some riot in Gujarat a news in Pakistan? Why Modi or RSS is a news in Pakistan?

In India hardly anyone will know who is CM of which province in Pakistan,but Yogi Adityanath is Big News in Pakistan. Islamic Republic talking about Secularism in India. :))
 
This won't be stopping in near future this will continue for centuries and centuries I don't have any hope from this country can't wait to get out from this country.
Yesterday an incident happened many guys were observing some martyrs day in our district I was standing in front of a mosque and the guys were going very quietly before no shouting whatsoever but when they saw us and mosque they started chanting bharat mata ki jai and all this country is going to be remain like this! I read somewhere that from Jammu everyday 45 people are joining RSS each day! So much secularity here I can't believe!!
The digital and shining "india"
 
Here is what happened months before Modi came to power. A mob of 10,000 Muslims burnt 200 Hindu homes in Bengal. http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/200-...illage-by-mob-protesting-clerics-death-514216

Didn't see anyone here worrying about "Secular India" then. I know Pakistan needs reasons to feel good about it's pathetic treatment of minorities... but the extent of propaganda to achieve that is truly disgusting.

Since these 'incidents' haven't been reported outside of your circles then it would hardly be a surprise that no one has commented on them. But then it's usual form for Hindutva propaganda machine to justify mob violence against minorities in India by claiming the minorities started it first. I predicted this would be the case with this current episode as well.
 
This won't be stopping in near future this will continue for centuries and centuries I don't have any hope from this country can't wait to get out from this country.
Yesterday an incident happened many guys were observing some martyrs day in our district I was standing in front of a mosque and the guys were going very quietly before no shouting whatsoever but when they saw us and mosque they started chanting bharat mata ki jai and all this country is going to be remain like this! I read somewhere that from Jammu everyday 45 people are joining RSS each day! So much secularity here I can't believe!!
The digital and shining "india"

When Kashmiri Pandits will be called Cancer of Kashmir by so called peaceful valley people then what do you expect?
 
No my friend we are not blinded by anything, its your govts desperation to showcase its fascism thats causing all the problems. For whats its worth, i am believer in live and let live and on a personal level i have nothing against Hindus and if the Muslims did burn any houses they also need to be condemned but you live in a society where no one dare speak against Modi and friends. If you dont believe me go on one of your newspaper websites and the vile abuse people get for challenging him.

If you weren't, you wouldn't write off 10 times bigger riots against Hindus as "made up" story. Infact, you are still not willing to accept that it happened.

See, thing is, you live in a country where a Muslim Dhaba getting shut down for beef-ban in India makes stories in media, while 200 Hindu homes being burnt by a Muslim mob doesn't even get a passing mention. When someone grows up on this propaganda, he is bound to act like most of you are in this thread.

As Indians, we realize that this communal jahalat is a BIG problem. We have witnessed the worst of it in Godhra, and this is the reason neither Hindus or Muslims in India will EVER resort to this retributive "warfare" you talk about.
 
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He has been given a clean chit by the courts in the country , whose decision you must respectm

Yes, because court decisions involving high profile public figures and especially powerful politicians are always completely impartial and made purely on the merits of the case with no chance of anyone using their power to influence them. I hope those who repeat this clean chit from the court mantra w.r.t Modi extend the same courtesy to Pakistani courts, which are about as effective as their Indian counterparts, giving a clean chit to Hafiz Saeed on Bombay.
 
An islamic country lecture about secularism to india where sikhism,hinduism,budhism are born plus almost second largest muslim population in the world...and expected tp be the largest in coming years......god bless common sense....Islamic country shud be the last one to even know the spelling of secularism...
 
If this indeed happen , this is terrible. Bloody kids causing communal tensions ? let them sort it out , why the hell are villages getting involved ..idiots
 
Yes, because court decisions involving high profile public figures and especially powerful politicians are always completely impartial and made purely on the merits of the case with no chance of anyone using their power to influence them. I hope those who repeat this clean chit from the court mantra w.r.t Modi extend the same courtesy to Pakistani courts, which are about as effective as their Indian counterparts, giving a clean chit to Hafiz Saeed on Bombay.

When Modi was exonerated by the Supreme Court it was the COngress who were in power.Modi was only CM of Gujarat.The courts in India have brought down bigger people than what Modi was in 2012 down. Indira Gandhi was removed as PM by Allahabad HC.Lalu/Jayalalitha/A.Raja and so many others have been brought down by the courts.

Modi was accused of an incident that happened in India, to Indians.So ofcourse Indian courts are the adjudicating authority.

Hafeez Saeed is an accused in a incident, that took place in India and citizens if 16 countries were killed.Not to forget a world wide ban on Hafeez Saeed by UN. Pakistan set up Military courts to try terrorists because they themselves were not confident of trying terrorists in civil courts. Why wasnt Hafiz Saeed tried in military courts?Or should we talk about the judge who convicted Mumtaz Quadri and then had to run to Dubai to save his life. And we are expected to believe that Pakistani courts will convict Hafiz Saeed.

Dont even compare the powers and credibility of Indian courts to Pakistani ones. The only problem with Indian courts is the huge huge huge time delay in deciding cases.
 
An islamic country lecture about secularism to india where sikhism,hinduism,budhism are born plus almost second largest muslim population in the world...and expected tp be the largest in coming years......god bless common sense....Islamic country shud be the last one to even know the spelling of secularism...

But Islamic countries don't claim to be secular....more is the pity. I would much prefer a secular constitution, that would be far easier and fairer to implement.
 
When Kashmiri Pandits will be called Cancer of Kashmir by so called peaceful valley people then what do you expect?

I m not from Kashmir I don't know about that but one thing I know people hate Muslims I still remember those "bum bum bole" days! I know some Muslims are against Hindus too but Hindus hate Muslims by the core of the heart ! I have observed this I have many Hindu friends and I know how these guys think! Not a good country to live for minorities especially for Muslims!
 
But Islamic countries don't claim to be secular....more is the pity. I would much prefer a secular constitution, that would be far easier and fairer to implement.

India is quite Secular compared to the Islamic nations but definitely not perfect. India does have it's imperfections and with such a huge population there would be struggles to achieve that perfect stage.
 
But Islamic countries don't claim to be secular....more is the pity. I would much prefer a secular constitution, that would be far easier and fairer to implement.

muslims mob attacking hindus ,hindus mobs attacking muslims,hindus mobs attacking hindus ......many things happen...you do cover one story...there are alot uneducated poor unemployed people in india still plus a 1.25 billion population doesnt help either........With the resources available its kind of miracle how much diverse nation religiously, economically ,culturally is living still sort of peacefully w.r.t its massive population.....Though secularism is the only way to go..modi govt cant do even they want india to become hindu nation.....hindus are itself divided and india is so much diverse nation to that happen
 
I m not from Kashmir I don't know about that but one thing I know people hate Muslims I still remember those "bum bum bole" days! I know some Muslims are against Hindus too but Hindus hate Muslims by the core of the heart ! I have observed this I have many Hindu friends and I know how these guys think! Not a good country to live for minorities especially for Muslims!

Okay so I'll reply to your such credible statements with equal weight and thought process.

I have many Muslim friends and I know those guys hates Hindus from the core of their heart , Hence all Muslims hate Hindus and my Friends as the sample size represent the views of all muslims and my views on their feelings towards Hindus is 100 % correct . how can I say that with certainity ? - Because I can read minds ! or heart's in this case !

Love having intellectual discussions :ma:
 
I m not from Kashmir I don't know about that but one thing I know people hate Muslims I still remember those "bum bum bole" days! I know some Muslims are against Hindus too but Hindus hate Muslims by the core of the heart ! I have observed this I have many Hindu friends and I know how these guys think! Not a good country to live for minorities especially for Muslims!

Kashmiri hindus will yapp i also havnt come across any hindus from kashmir who have anything good to say abt tgem....but they mostly cry about the injustice happened to them when they were forced to go out of the valley and many of them were killed....still these things will take time to settle....pakistan is also not helping either....during terroism attack on india or kashmir issue their interference..it also has some indirect link to the peace in that region
 
When Modi was exonerated by the Supreme Court it was the COngress who were in power.Modi was only CM of Gujarat.The courts in India have brought down bigger people than what Modi was in 2012 down. Indira Gandhi was removed as PM by Allahabad HC.Lalu/Jayalalitha/A.Raja and so many others have been brought down by the courts.
Don't know how Indian courts work but I'm assuming its the same as here given the similar cultures and level of development. Pakistan's Supreme court, during the previous government's tenure, disqualified a sitting PM and nearly did the same to his replacement because the chief justice was a PML-N sympathizer, my point being that courts can be influenced but they're still independent enough to chose who can influence them. I'm assuming it's the same in India, in which case it's not outside the realm of possibility that something similar happened.

Modi was accused of an incident that happened in India, to Indians.So ofcourse Indian courts are the adjudicating authority.

Hafeez Saeed is an accused in a incident, that took place in India and citizens if 16 countries were killed.Not to forget a world wide ban on Hafeez Saeed by UN. Pakistan set up Military courts to try terrorists because they themselves were not confident of trying terrorists in civil courts. Why wasnt Hafiz Saeed tried in military courts?Or should we talk about the judge who convicted Mumtaz Quadri and then had to run to Dubai to save his life. And we are expected to believe that Pakistani courts will convict Hafiz Saeed.

They won't, the same way Indian courts won't convict Modi. Saeed is in Pakistani courts' jurisdiction, all else is irrelevant. Any decision made by Pakistani courts is to be respected. I recall travel bans on Modi prior to him being elected PM. Now I find it hard to believe that the US government became convinced of his innocence a few months before he became PM, but unlike Saeed, this man was the PM of the second largest country on earth, a potential counterbalance to a rising superpower, and a market for those countries' firms so if international condemnation is a metric we're using, Modi had more than his fair share of it, the only reason he doesn't any more is realpolitik, not some grand epiphany that western leaders had at the same time that he was innocent.

Dont even compare the powers and credibility of Indian courts to Pakistani ones. The only problem with Indian courts is the huge huge huge time delay in deciding cases.

Lol, why not? They're just as rubbish. If anything, Pakistani courts seem more independent. This whole India is so far ahead of Pakistan business only sells when your audience are ignoramuses(ignorami?) who can't actually interpret economic and development indicators. India is essentially Pakistan on steroids with better PR.
 
Okay so I'll reply to your such credible statements with equal weight and thought process.

I have many Muslim friends and I know those guys hates Hindus from the core of their heart , Hence all Muslims hate Hindus and my Friends as the sample size represent the views of all muslims and my views on their feelings towards Hindus is 100 % correct . how can I say that with certainity ? - Because I can read minds ! or heart's in this case !

Love having intellectual discussions :ma:

I know not all Hindus hate Muslims but most of the Hindus hate muslim an incident happened some months back and many hindus around 10000 gathered in a place and started breaking Muslims vehicle even 2 ,3 guys of our village came home with broken vehicles and they said that was very scary.I can tell people I have not found a guy from around me who doesn't hate Muslims they all hate Muslims and I m not saying Muslims doesn't hate Hindus they does too!
 
I know not all Hindus hate Muslims but most of the Hindus hate muslim an incident happened some months back and many hindus around 10000 gathered in a place and started breaking Muslims vehicle even 2 ,3 guys of our village came home with broken vehicles and they said that was very scary.I can tell people I have not found a guy from around me who doesn't hate Muslims they all hate Muslims and I m not saying Muslims doesn't hate Hindus they does too!

Personal feelings should not be used to quantify in arguments , your personal experiences may not represent the feelings of couple billion people all over the world , think of that ?
If the point is Hindus hate muslims and muslims hate Hindu - how much % of each is irrelevant and impossible to quantify ?
 
Kashmiri hindus will yapp i also havnt come across any hindus from kashmir who have anything good to say abt tgem....but they mostly cry about the injustice happened to them when they were forced to go out of the valley and many of them were killed....still these things will take time to settle....pakistan is also not helping either....during terroism attack on india or kashmir issue their interference..it also has some indirect link to the peace in that region

what they did was not any good! I don't know much about that issue! But if they were wrong I will call them wrong! These communal riots are not going to stop in near future ! It's better for me to leave this country for good future!
 
Personal feelings should not be used to quantify in arguments , your personal experiences may not represent the feelings of couple billion people all over the world , think of that ?
If the point is Hindus hate muslims and muslims hate Hindu - how much % of each is irrelevant and impossible to quantify ?
These are the things I have observed! Atleast these applies to most of the Hindus from Jammu and many Muslims are same too! They are not any better than these guys either but since Jammu is Hindu majority area so they express themselves better than muslims! People have to grow up and start thinking beyond hatred! Otherwise I don't think this country will develop at all
 
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/mar/26/modis-man-flexes-muscular-hinduism-shock-election

Rise of Hindu ‘extremist’ spooks Muslim minority in India’s heartland
In Gorakhpur, the power base of a firebrand monk, religious tension grows with Uttar Pradesh’s 40 million Muslims

Supporters of the BJP celebrate a stunning election victory in Uttar Pradesh.

Supporters of the BJP celebrate a stunning election victory in Uttar Pradesh. Photograph: Chandan Khanna/AFP/Getty Images
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Saturday 25 March 2017 20.02 EDT Last modified on Sunday 26 March 2017 05.00 EDT

Pastor Ritesh Joshua had just called a tea break when he saw the men in the saffron scarves. More than a hundred, some wielding sticks, had massed outside his white stucco church on the outskirts of Gorakhpur, a temple town in eastern Uttar Pradesh. It was three days after Christmas.

“They started shouting, ‘You are converting people. We will not allow any conversions here’,” he says. “They shoved people, turned over furniture, and told me, ‘You are the main culprit’.”

The men, allegedly part of a religious activist group called the Hindu Yuva Vahini, cornered one of the parishioners. Smartphone footage shows the woman pulling her blue shawl tightly around herself as she answers questions about her involvement with the church. “No one is forcing me to convert,” she insists.


“If the police hadn’t arrived, we don’t know what would have happened next,” Joshua says. “After the men left, everyone in the church was silent, so frightened. This is a time of testing for us.”

Last week, the monk who founded the HYV, and whose firebrand Hindu supremacist vision guides the organisation, was selected by the party of prime minister Narendra Modi to lead the most populous state in India – the equivalent of the sixth largest nation on earth.

Yogi Adityanath’s appointment as chief minister of Uttar Pradesh, about a fifth of whose 200 million people are Muslim, is “stunning”, says Milan Vaishnav, at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, a foreign policy thinktank. “He is an extremist in terms of his speeches, a very proud rabble-rouser, and somebody who doesn’t have a claim to fame other than a dedication to a strident form of Hindu nationalism.”

“It is an important and disturbing moment,” agrees Ramachandra Guha, an author and historian. “It is the fringe moving to the mainstream.”


The boyish face of Adityanath, 44, beamed down on Gorakhpur last week from thousands of green-and-saffron banners plastered along its main road. On Sunday, tens of thousands of people are expected to line the road for his triumphant return to Gorakhpur, the electorate he has represented for almost two decades in the Uttar Pradesh parliament.

Another addition to the city streets last week were squads of police officers hunting so-called “Romeos”. Along with a ban on buffalo slaughter, cracking down on amorous young men was a key campaign promise of the ruling Bharatiya Janata party. Officially, the police are targeting “Eve-teasing”, the endemic sexual harassment that blights some Indian streets. But critics instead see a crackdown on mixed-religion couples, in line with Adityanath’s fevered, baseless warnings that Muslim men are trying to seduce Hindu women as part of “love jihad”.

Yogi Adityanath, the hardline Hindu leader, prepares to meet party leaders.
Yogi Adityanath, the hardline Hindu leader, prepares to meet party leaders. Photograph: Manish Swarup/AP
The surprise appointment of Adityanath to run the state has deeply rattled Manoj Singh, a Gorakhpur journalist who has spent the last two decades tracking the new chief minister and the HYV men he labels a “private army”. He recalls, 10 years ago, when the city boiled with religious tension after the murder of a Hindu man, and Adityanath rose to address a crowd of HYV supporters outside the Gorakhpur railway station.


“We cannot tolerate such incidents any more,” he told the men. “It has crossed all limits. If someone sets ablaze the houses and shops of Hindus, then I do not think that someone stops you from doing such things.

“Get ready for a final battle,” he says. Court documents allege Adityanath’s followers then went on a rampage, burning Muslim-owned properties and an Islamic mausoleum. “I saw the burned shops,” Singh says. “I saw the Muslim men who ran the shops trying to douse the fire. I knew one of the shopkeepers. He was very emotional. He said, ‘Look what has happened to me. I’m ruined’.”

Adityanath was arrested and imprisoned for 11 days. He broke down in parliament recalling the ordeal. But, Singh says, his fiery rhetoric was unchanged. “If [Muslims] kill one Hindu man, then we will kill 100 Muslim men,” he has said since. But Adityanath began to distance himself from frontline violence. “He took a political turn,” Singh says. “He started having political dreams.”

Hinduism is a poor soil for fundamentalists such as Adityanath to grow. The world’s third most-practised religion has no pope, no mandatory scripture, no impulse to convert new believers. The caste system has sown division deep into its DNA. Wherever Hinduism has taken and flourished across Asia it has blended with and infused local cultures, forming what author Sunil Khilnani has called a “bewildering internal pluralism”.


It was contact with more rigid doctrines, first the Islam of the Mughals, then the Christianity of the British, that first planted the seeds of political Hinduism. They grew with demands for Indian independence, as those who sought freedom for the extraordinarily diverse subcontinent grappled with the question: what was an Indian, anyway?

Jawarharlal Nehru, India’s first prime minister, opted for the broadest possible answer. The India his Congress party advocated was, he wrote, proudly plural: “An ancient palimpsest on which layer upon layer of thought and reverie had been inscribed, and yet no succeeding layer had completely hidden or erased what had been written previously”.

But Hindu nationalists such as Vinayak Savarkar, discerned in the countless communities that populated modern-day India, Pakistan and Bangladesh an essential “Hindutva”, or Hindu-ness, that persisted no matter what faith an Indian practised.

“Religious minorities will all have the right to practise their religion”, Savarkar wrote of the India he envisioned – but they were inescapably citizens of a Hindu “rashtra”, or nation.


“This vision of Indian history is one of victimhood,” says Guha. “That Hindus were first persecuted by the Muslims, then the British, and they can only recover when they repudiate all that is Muslim and British in their past.”

The elevation of Adityanath is part of that “old battle between the Congress and the rightwing Hindu parties”, he says. For the first 40 years after independence, Hindu nationalists struggled to summon more than 10% of the national vote. But their appeal has surged in the past quarter-century, culminating in the election three years ago of Modi, the staunchest Hindutva flag bearer ever to occupy the prime minister’s residence.

Other than Modi’s political talents, Guha says the growth of Hindu nationalism is partly down to poor leadership in the Congress party, whose most prominent leader is Nehru’s great-grandson, Rahul Gandhi.

“But it is also part of a regional and global phenomenon of religious nationalism. You see it now in Turkey, and in our neighbourhood, with Pakistan and Bangladesh. There are parallels with Sri Lanka. And even in America, when George Bush said Jesus was his favourite philosopher,You can’t blame Rahul Gandhi for everything,” he says.


Modi was briefly an international pariah over his Gujarat state government’s alleged role in ignoring, and possibly abetting, deadly Hindu-Muslim riots in the state in 2002. But he assiduously reinvented his image in the decade before winning power in 2014, projecting himself as a pro-business, Apple Watch-sporting statesman obsessed with economic development.

In power, Modi has been coy about his Hindu nationalist agenda, prioritising issues such as tax reform and corruption crackdowns over the national ban on cow slaughter his party championed on the campaign trail.

With the selection of Adityanath, “the veil has been lifted”, says Vaishnav, from the Carnegie Endowment. “It answers one of the questions that we had about Modi all along,” he says. “Is this guy’s project about development or Hindu nationalism? What this pick reaffirms is that it’s not an either/or question. He has two faces: one is Modi the great economic moderniser, and the other is one of muscular nationalism – and Adit is its starkest manifestation,” he says.

Yogi Adityanath, left, with the party president Amit Shah in Delhi.
Yogi Adityanath, left, with the party president Amit Shah in Delhi. Photograph: Rajat Gupta/EPA
In Zafara Bazar, a Muslim district of Gorakhpur, Gulshan Ali is talking bitterly near the butcher shop where he worked until last Monday: “They talked about ‘development for all’, but the moment Adityanath became chief minister he started taking away our jobs,” he says. That was when – less than 24 hours after Adityanath was sworn in – police officers told him the business was being shut. “We didn’t get any notice,” another butcher, Jawad Ali, says. He pleaded that his shop sold only buffalo, not the cow meat that many Hindus eschew. “But they told me, ‘From today, your business is closed’.”


A thick blanket now hangs over Jawad Ali’s shopfront, and he passes his days with other out-of-work butchers reading the newspaper and gossiping darkly about what might be coming next. “For several generations we’ve been butchers,” he says. He admits he has been operating his shop unlicensed for the 15 years – but not for lack of trying. “Since 2002 the government stopped renewing meat licences because of Yogi Adityanath and his movement,” he says.

A previous government, one that relied on Muslim votes to hold office, worked out a compromise between its voter base and the growing clamour to ban cow and buffalo meat in the state: butchers such as Ali would be denied licences, but allowed to continue running their businesses.

The bargain held until Adityanath’s unexpected ascension. The crackdown on butchers has left up to 2,500 families in Gorakhpur without an income.


Heightening their frustration is that India is the world’s largest exporter of buffalo meat, with most of the companies run by Hindus who see no clash with their beliefs. “Here they’ve found a new god in buffalo,” one of the meat-workers mutters.

The chief preoccupation for many Muslims in the city is what comes next for the HYV. A few kilometres from Zafar Bazar is the resplendent Gorakhnath Mutt, a campus of ornate, chalky white temples interspersed with manmade ponds and patches of yellow and saffron marigolds.

The temple, which Adityanath oversees as chief priest, was buzzing this week with political officials and HYV men basking in the glow of their leader’s sudden promotion. “You talk to many Muslims, in and around the campus here, they all appreciate that Yogi Adityanath has become chief minister,” says Pramod Kumar Mall, the officer in charge of the HYV.

The role of the HYV, now that its leader is the most powerful man in Uttar Pradesh, will not change, says HYV officer Pramod Kumar Mall. “We are working for the nationalist movement. We don’t want this country to disintegrate. There are so many movements who want to disintegrate the system, and we want to stop them and make people understand about it,” he says.

He will definitely favour Hindus over Muslims ... this is what he has been since the beginning
Wijahat Kareem
Regrettably, he says, there are “many” Muslims in the country working against Indian interests. “Just as President Trump has found so many, in India you will find so many.” But he is adamant that minorities in the state have nothing to fear from Adityanath’s rule. “This country belongs to them,” he says. “[As long as] they feel they are citizens of this country and feel they should respect the national religion – just as Hinduism has accepted many religions.”

Despite Mall’s assurances, Muslim community leaders in Gorakhpur are well aware of the new reality in their state. Over tea at his home, surgeon Wijahat Kareem, 62, describes his own political philosophy as “Gandhian”. “But Gandhi is losing his sheen,” he says. He chooses his words carefully. “You cannot change his heart,” he says of the new chief minister. “He will definitely favour Hindus over Muslims, but we can’t complain. This is what he has been since the beginning. You know with whom you are talking But there is hope that because of his past record he will be more cautious, more liberal than he was earlier on,” he says.

Hope, he concedes, is all Uttar Pradesh’s Muslims have left to rely on. “Politicians cannot win on the basis of Muslim votes,” he says. “So we have to keep believing in the right-thinking Hindus. That’s what we are all hoping for. Our staying in the mainstream of the country depends on them.”

He insists, repeatedly, that he is “not concerned”. But as he goes to say goodbye he pauses in the door frame. For a moment he is silent. “Let us pray for the Muslims of Gorakhpur,” he finally says. “Even if Yogi is harming Muslims in other parts of the country, he won’t do anything to Muslims in Gorakhpur. Of that I’m very sure.”
 
This type of behaviour is sign of a backwards country.
Sad that Communalism is still present in the Worlds largest democracy.
 
Don't know how Indian courts work but I'm assuming its the same as here given the similar cultures and level of development. Pakistan's Supreme court, during the previous government's tenure, disqualified a sitting PM and nearly did the same to his replacement because the chief justice was a PML-N sympathizer, my point being that courts can be influenced but they're still independent enough to chose who can influence them. I'm assuming it's the same in India, in which case it's not outside the realm of possibility that something similar happened.

There is little similarity in Indian and Pakistani courts.Because Indian judges are not appointed by any politician.So they are independent of political influence.Removing a lightweight like Gilani and removing Indira Gandhi in 1974 cannot be compared.You have assumed wrong. The Supreme Court of India is unlikely to be influenced by a CM of a province that too who belongs to the opposition party in the Parliament.The ruling Congress Party left no stone unturned to get Modi convicted,they could not.

Anyways,The Indian Judicial system,the higher judiciary that is,is pretty clean and isnt politically influenced as their appointement promotions etc cannot be done by any politician.Even their removal is possible only by a 2/3rd majority of both houses of the parliament.
They won't, the same way Indian courts won't convict Modi. Saeed is in Pakistani courts' jurisdiction, all else is irrelevant. Any decision made by Pakistani courts is to be respected. I recall travel bans on Modi prior to him being elected PM. Now I find it hard to believe that the US government became convinced of his innocence a few months before he became PM, but unlike Saeed, this man was the PM of the second largest country on earth, a potential counterbalance to a rising superpower, and a market for those countries' firms so if international condemnation is a metric we're using, Modi had more than his fair share of it, the only reason he doesn't any more is realpolitik, not some grand epiphany that western leaders had at the same time that he was innocent.

When you are accused of killing people of 16 nations in a foreign country and have a UN sanction on you,the country you reside in have certain legal obligations to the UN and international community. The UNSC sanctions on have to be implemented by a UN member its mandatory. US travel ban and a UNSC sanction isnt the same thing. Also in 2005 when US refused Modi a visa he was an accused, he was cleared in 2012 and the US ambassador met him before he become PM,months before. Is there any UN sanction on Modi? Putin is also under US sanctions, Is he a terrorist?

Lol, why not? They're just as rubbish. If anything, Pakistani courts seem more independent. This whole India is so far ahead of Pakistan business only sells when your audience are ignoramuses(ignorami?) who can't actually interpret economic and development indicators. India is essentially Pakistan on steroids with better PR.


Again you have no idea about Indian courts.This whole India is just as Pakistan is, is a nice way to lull yourself to sleep thinking all is well. We can see the importance each country receives.
 
There is little similarity in Indian and Pakistani courts.Because Indian judges are not appointed by any politician.So they are independent of political influence.Removing a lightweight like Gilani and removing Indira Gandhi in 1974 cannot be compared.You have assumed wrong. The Supreme Court of India is unlikely to be influenced by a CM of a province that too who belongs to the opposition party in the Parliament.The ruling Congress Party left no stone unturned to get Modi convicted,they could not.

Anyways,The Indian Judicial system,the higher judiciary that is,is pretty clean and isnt politically influenced as their appointement promotions etc cannot be done by any politician.Even their removal is possible only by a 2/3rd majority of both houses of the parliament.
So you say but I don't buy it tbh. Seems too much like the mera bharat mahan schtick and not at all realistic. Find me one country with a per capita GDP of $1800 that can claim to have courts that are beyond reproach and I'll name myself Adolf. On this, we'll just have to agree to disagree because I find that claim to be unrealistic in the extreme.

When you are accused of killing people of 16 nations in a foreign country and have a UN sanction on you,the country you reside in have certain legal obligations to the UN and international community. The UNSC sanctions on have to be implemented by a UN member its mandatory. US travel ban and a UNSC sanction isnt the same thing. Also in 2005 when US refused Modi a visa he was an accused, he was cleared in 2012 and the US ambassador met him before he become PM,months before. Is there any UN sanction on Modi? Putin is also under US sanctions, Is he a terrorist?
Again, the courts have spoken. Feel free to challenge their rulings and provide further evidence if necessary. If the ruling is unsatisfactory, the concerned nations are free to move the UN to sanction Pakistan.

Again you have no idea about Indian courts.This whole India is just as Pakistan is, is a nice way to lull yourself to sleep thinking all is well. We can see the importance each country receives.

Importance is on account of size, not development. We're not really debating international standing here, just the internal situation. Size is the reason China is accorded more importance than Sweden and Brazil more so than Chile, not because China and Brazil have superior development indicators. India and Pakistan's development indicators, for the most part, are within margin of error range of each other with both doing better than the other on some, India admittedly marginally ahead on that score.
 
An innocuous squabble of teenagers leads to 5000 gathering and torching another community.... goes to show how the fires of intolerance rage under the surface.
 
So you say but I don't buy it tbh. Seems too much like the mera bharat mahan schtick and not at all realistic. Find me one country with a per capita GDP of $1800 that can claim to have courts that are beyond reproach and I'll name myself Adolf. On this, we'll just have to agree to disagree because I find that claim to be unrealistic in the extreme.

The judges are highly paid and get almost unlimited travel allowances,residences,servants,cars etc etc etc.A higher judiciary judge in India isnt afraid of some politician as they can do zilch to him/her. Courts in India have brought down billionaires to their knees and sent them to jail. They just removed powerful politicans and businessmen from the BCCI. You have been fed to believe that India is same as Pakistan,when its not.We have a working constitution and democracy and arent ruled by military dictators who can suspend the constitution and courts at his will. Constitution is supreme in India and anyone who has tried to meddle with it has been consigned to history.

Again, the courts have spoken. Feel free to challenge their rulings and provide further evidence if necessary. If the ruling is unsatisfactory, the concerned nations are free to move the UN to sanction Pakistan.

Courts which even Pakistanis dont trust and therefore had military courts to try terrorists. Why sanction Pakistan when the sight of free roaming terrorists on the streets does the job of creating Pakistan's image around the world.

Importance is on account of size, not development. We're not really debating international standing here, just the internal situation. Size is the reason China is accorded more importance than Sweden and Brazil more so than Chile, not because China and Brazil have superior development indicators. India and Pakistan's development indicators, for the most part, are within margin of error range of each other with both doing better than the other on some, India admittedly marginally ahead on that score.

Importance on account of being a functional democracy,with a working constitution,one of the fastest growing economy. Pakistan's indicators are based on a 20 year old census,lets not even talk about them.You can keep imagining that Pakistan is same as India, no one around the world believes it.
 
An innocuous squabble of teenagers leads to 5000 gathering and torching another community.... goes to show how the fires of intolerance rage under the surface.

More so about a girl being insulted so not a innocous squabble. But doesnt justify the incident and more work needs to be done on this front.
 
More so about a girl being insulted so not a innocous squabble. But doesnt justify the incident and more work needs to be done on this front.

It's India, girls are assaulted regularly every day. Seems like a lame excuse to start communal violence against minorities who are hated by the now right wing fanatics.
 
It's India, girls are assaulted regularly every day. Seems like a lame excuse to start communal violence against minorities who are hated by the now right wing fanatics.


Girls are assaulted everywhere in the world.Its a crime in every civilised country.Your point?
 
More so about a girl being insulted so not a innocous squabble. But doesnt justify the incident and more work needs to be done on this front.

Insulted is a perception.... words were exchanged? in any case, it was case for the parent of the two parties to take up and if it was a physical assault the police should have dealt with it.

Now, if the two squabbling parties were Hindu and a girl was "insulted", would the 5000 Hindu mob have gathered to defend the girl and torched the place?
 
Insulted is a perception.... words were exchanged? in any case, it was case for the parent of the two parties to take up and if it was a physical assault the police should have dealt with it.

Now, if the two squabbling parties were Hindu and a girl was "insulted", would the 5000 Hindu mob have gathered to defend the girl and torched the place?


No way the incident can be justified nor i will justify it.

The girl was apparently "eve teased" or a bit more.Law should have taken its course..Its good that the police apprehended the mastermind.
 
Oh you do. Nothing else explains Pakistani media cherry picking clashes where Muslims are victims while keeping mum on 10 times bigger riots where Hindus suffer.

If your concerns for "secular India" is so genuine, then I wouldn't expect this hypocrisy either from you or your media.

Pakistan media cherry picks certain news to humiliate India but we should also accept imperfection in our society. First step to make a change is to accept our fault. While Pakistani's accusation about India is laughable comparing to others, we must be held accountable.
 
Now, if the two squabbling parties were Hindu and a girl was "insulted", would the 5000 Hindu mob have gathered to defend the girl and torched the place?

Let's not kid ourselves. Why do Pakistani Muslims raise Palestine issue everywhere? Why not protest Crimea or the situation elsewhere in the world? Because we are all biased and we all have our own agenda...we side with "our" people..there's hardly any neutrals here.
 
Modi will not do anything because even he will be afraid of many hard core Hindu's. He has opened a can of worms so now sit back and enjoy the consequences. India is now a extremist Hindu country hell bent on converting all non Hindu's by force if need be. With beef being banned and what not I feel this is only the start for them.
 
Modi will not do anything because even he will be afraid of many hard core Hindu's. He has opened a can of worms so now sit back and enjoy the consequences. India is now a extremist Hindu country hell bent on converting all non Hindu's by force if need be. With beef being banned and what not I feel this is only the start for them.

But why are you so happy ?
 
I think it's high time RSS, Shiv Sena, VHP, etc be classified as terrorist organizations. BJP appointing Yogi as CM shows how much influence RSS has on Indian politics. They are like a cancer & the sooner we purge them the better we can get.

These org are a national embarrasment & posters defending them is terrifying to me. Seems like posters defending them don't want us to improve

@ cricketjoshila , @ akki . @ bleaf27 , @ Zak_Fan

Remember South Korea just got rid of it's President when they found out that she was discussing policies with the leader of a Shaman cult & here we are quiet content with RSS arm twisting BJP into nominating Yogi as the CM of our biggest state. It's a slap in our face.
 
But why are you so happy ?

...because again it proves M A Jinnah was right! It proves that Bharat is a Hindu fundamentalist country. It also is a reply to Indian Muslim's who have always hated Pakistan and questioned it's creation. It also shuts up Hindu's and Indian's who accuse Hafiz Saeed of being a terrorist. I am not happy to see innocents being harmed but the point needs to be made to Hindu's and Indian's who are obsessed with Pakistan/is.
 
You sound no different to the likes of Yogi Aditiyanath here. Yet, you will label him a saffron hooligan for the same, while in your mind, you are a noble man warning Indian Hindus of impending justice.

From article headline from Pakistani media, to all the replies here, everything revolves projecting the clash as a "Muslim oppression in India".

Has Pakistani media EVER covered stories of 10,000 strong Muslim mob burning 200 Hindu homes in 2013? Did Pakistani media cover 50 more Hindu homes being burnt by Muslim mob in 2016? No. Why? Because all you guys and your media thrives on is propaganda.

Calm buddy. Don't ignore the facts to further your ideology.
 
...because again it proves M A Jinnah was right! It proves that Bharat is a Hindu fundamentalist country. It also is a reply to Indian Muslim's who have always hated Pakistan and questioned it's creation. It also shuts up Hindu's and Indian's who accuse Hafiz Saeed of being a terrorist. I am not happy to see innocents being harmed but the point needs to be made to Hindu's and Indian's who are obsessed with Pakistan/is.

Jinnah was right.
 
...because again it proves M A Jinnah was right! It proves that Bharat is a Hindu fundamentalist country. It also is a reply to Indian Muslim's who have always hated Pakistan and questioned it's creation. It also shuts up Hindu's and Indian's who accuse Hafiz Saeed of being a terrorist. I am not happy to see innocents being harmed but the point needs to be made to Hindu's and Indian's who are obsessed with Pakistan/is.

Don't think that the Muslim's in India hate Pakistan that much, they are just always expected to spew venom against Pakistan to pass the litmus test of Indian Patriotism. Constantly lookout for validation from the majority in their country.

Their life is difficult in India so let's not be too harsh on them by making such judgments.
 
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Don't think that the Muslim's in India hate Pakistan that much, they are just always expected to spew venom against Pakistan to pass the litmus test of Indian Patriotism. Constantly lookout for validation from the majority in their country.

Their life is difficult in India so let's not be too harsh on them by making such judgments.

I won't be harsh on them if they stopped spewing hate against Pakistan. By all means they are not compelled to love Pak but if they hate it then have no right to expect any sympathy from us when they are abused by Hindu terrorists. They can't have it both ways.
 
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