Anti-Muslim riots erupt in Modi’s Gujarat, 2 killed as a 5000 Strong Mob attacks Muslims

[Zak_Fan]

Calm buddy. Don't ignore the facts to further your ideology.

Quite the opposite. I am the one putting facts in front of you, and it is you guys choosing to ignore half of them.

 

[Zak_Fan]

Pakistan media cherry picks certain news to humiliate India but we should also accept imperfection in our society. First step to make a change is to accept our fault. While Pakistani's accusation about India is laughable comparing to others, we must be held accountable.

We should, and that's how I started in this thread. But when you get this drove of hypocrites using the chaos in India to push their own religious agenda, I guess it needs to be answered as well.

 

[Eagle_Eye]

Let's not kid ourselves. Why do Pakistani Muslims raise Palestine issue everywhere? Why not protest Crimea or the situation elsewhere in the world? Because we are all biased and we all have our own agenda...we side with "our" people..there's hardly any neutrals here.

How is your point relevant? And did you even understand my point? Both sides are Indian. This was a fairly innocuous exchange that the parents should have resolved easily, but what transpired shows that the hatred is deep rooted and manifests itself at the drop of a hat especially with extreme right wing ruling the roost.

 

[akki]

How is your point relevant? And did you even understand my point? Both sides are Indian. This was a fairly innocuous exchange that the parents should have resolved easily, but what transpired shows that the hatred is deep rooted and manifests itself at the drop of a hat especially with extreme right wing ruling the roost.

It happens in villages between hindus as well between jaat and gujar , between dalits and other etc etc and even muslims mobs killing hindus in much worst manner is also nothing new in many states.....and its not only between muslims and hindus....india is a lot alot diverse nation religiously ,culturally, economically plus 1.25 billion population doesnt help either...i am not defending this but letting you know the reality....

 

[Pakpak]

http://www.tribuneindia.com/news/comment/the-anti-muslim-pitch/382700.html

EWARE India! You are being led into a civil war. Or, you are already in it. This is not a rhetorical statement. In UP, slaughterhouses are being demolished, closed down forcibly, small mutton shops are being gutted. Livelihood of thousands is under threat, that too by the orders of the government which had promised to work for all. In Jaipur, a hotel owned by a Muslim is surrounded and attacked in daylight, its employees beaten up by a mob, hotel is evacuated, sealed, the owner is hounded, the police joins the marauders. Youth are being arrested for Facebook posts on the new CM in UP.
I know what would be the reaction of many of my co-nationals. That the number of these incidents is insignificant when compared with the population of India. That Muslims can always change their food habits. Why are they stuck in the business of slaughterhouses, a cruel job? They can always find alternative ways to live. Why do they insist on eating beef, making their women wear burqa which makes them look strange and suspicious! That was the rationale behind the demand to double-check them when they come to the booths.
This is a war on the Muslims of India. It needs to be said in these very words. And the spread is wide. Thousands and thousands of Muslims in Assam are being evicted from their habitats in the name of preservation of forest lands and yet the national mind fails even to register it.
Just before the election, a 16-year-old Muslim boy is detained in a police station in Uttarakhand on the charge of abducting a Hindu girl, and is sent dead to his poor parents by the police. His murder at the hand of the state apparatus fails to make news. No cry of justice for him.
A Muslim student disappears from a university and all the media can do after five months is to discover that he had affinity for terrorists. It is not only the physical injury that hurts. It is not only a Muslim of UP who is feeling a prisoner of this nation called India. The message of the results was clear enough, but to make it stark, a man was put in charge of UP whose existence is defined by his anti-Muslim hatred. It is this insult which pains Muslims more.
It was humiliation not only for Muslim men, but Muslim women as well, when the media joined the BJP in claiming that they have taught a lesson to their men by voting for the BJP in the recent Assembly elections.
By closing down the slaughterhouses, the economic backbone of the poor Muslims is being broken. They are being forced to be slaves of the wishes of the state which itself is turning more and more Hindu with each passing day. The resolve to change the living style of Muslims could have been reported by the media two years ago, when the Home Minister asked the BSF to plug the gaps in the borders of India and Bangladesh, stop the transfer of cows to Bangladesh with the aim of making Bangladeshis forget their habit of eating beef. Can one miss the symbolism of this exhortation?
Let us not confuse it then by saying that it should not be narrowly seen as a Hindu-Muslim thing, that it is an attack on the syncretic culture of India. Let us also not compare with the attack on Adivasis in Chhattisgarh and Jharkhand, or on Dalits across India. This is because, as my friend Shahnawaz explains, a news of the arrest of a bearded man in some distant land does make all bearded men suspect, fit to be arrested and even lynched. The feeling of the fear of living under this ‘legitimate suspicion’ is distinctly Muslim. And we have seen Adivasis and Dalits joining anti-Muslim alliances, politically and socially. Dalits can be made Hindu and Adivasis too, it is the Muslims alone which are the last stumbling block in the project of making India a Hindu land. And since it is impossible to eliminate them totally, they need to be effectively subjugated, confined to their ghettos and disempowered, so that Indian polity is not contaminated by the Muslim touch.
That we are so reluctant to speak the ‘M’ word is itself a proof of what has changed in India. And Muslims themselves have started pleading with parties not to utter their name for it may antagonise and infuriate Hindus.
As it is, the Christians have just disappeared from our consciousness. We lack the sensibility and empathy to realise the depth of disappointment, anger and frustration of Muslims. To most of us their fears sound hallucinatory. Muslims across India have suffered multiple displacements. They do not any longer resent being ghettoised even with popular consent. But now, their psychological displacement is getting complete. While observing their present being invisiblised, they also see themselves being monumentalised and their cries and shouts drown in the celebration of these syncretic pasts, Sufi music, Taj Mahal and Lal Quila. The celebration of Urdu looks so obscene when you realise that a paper in Urdu in your possession can land you in jail.
Let us record that the educated and the media reported and exalted the pious and hard lives of the hate-mongers and murderers, that they weaved stories of their love for the animals with a singular aim to humanise and legitimise their hatred of Muslims. Why do Mulsims fail to find place in such kind hearts? The fault must lie in them.
Let us put it on record that India was pushed into this war by its ruling parties, the governments that they created and fostered disaffection towards a large section of society and stoked violence against them. Let it be recorded that the finest minds of the educated youth who form our civil services and the police collaborated in this with the murderers. Let it be said that we went about our lives unperturbed when our neighbours were doubling with pain and not allowed to scream even for it would sound a sectarian cry.
It would be a long war and we would come out of it one day, with stories of the banality of violence and our shame of participating in it and mutilated bodies.
Victims are being blamed for forging victimhood; asked to free themselves of this imaginary cage. This duplicity would be noted in some distant time. We would not be there then. But let us stand witness to what is being done on our behalf and call it by its name. That much we can do at least.
The writer is a Professor of Hindi in Delhi University

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Let's not kid ourselves. Why do Pakistani Muslims raise Palestine issue everywhere? Why not protest Crimea or the situation elsewhere in the world? Because we are all biased and we all have our own agenda...we side with "our" people..there's hardly any neutrals here.

Big surprise here. Qazzarfan who is never shy to raise topics about religious intolerance in Pakistan now finds it difficult to dance when the focus is turned on Hindu intolerance towards minorities in India. That too a country which as a potential superpower should have far higher standards.

You hit the nail on the head there buddy, we certainly do all have our own agenda, some people's is so one sided it is pretty bang in your face.

 

[dauntless]

I won't be surprised if mohan bhagwat the VHP chairman or whatever he is will become president of india! "Shining India"

 

[hafeezrocks]

http://www.tribuneindia.com/news/comment/the-anti-muslim-pitch/382700.html

EWARE India! You are being led into a civil war. Or, you are already in it. This is not a rhetorical statement. In UP, slaughterhouses are being demolished, closed down forcibly, small mutton shops are being gutted. Livelihood of thousands is under threat, that too by the orders of the government which had promised to work for all. In Jaipur, a hotel owned by a Muslim is surrounded and attacked in daylight, its employees beaten up by a mob, hotel is evacuated, sealed, the owner is hounded, the police joins the marauders. Youth are being arrested for Facebook posts on the new CM in UP.
I know what would be the reaction of many of my co-nationals. That the number of these incidents is insignificant when compared with the population of India. That Muslims can always change their food habits. Why are they stuck in the business of slaughterhouses, a cruel job? They can always find alternative ways to live. Why do they insist on eating beef, making their women wear burqa which makes them look strange and suspicious! That was the rationale behind the demand to double-check them when they come to the booths.
This is a war on the Muslims of India. It needs to be said in these very words. And the spread is wide. Thousands and thousands of Muslims in Assam are being evicted from their habitats in the name of preservation of forest lands and yet the national mind fails even to register it.
Just before the election, a 16-year-old Muslim boy is detained in a police station in Uttarakhand on the charge of abducting a Hindu girl, and is sent dead to his poor parents by the police. His murder at the hand of the state apparatus fails to make news. No cry of justice for him.
A Muslim student disappears from a university and all the media can do after five months is to discover that he had affinity for terrorists. It is not only the physical injury that hurts. It is not only a Muslim of UP who is feeling a prisoner of this nation called India. The message of the results was clear enough, but to make it stark, a man was put in charge of UP whose existence is defined by his anti-Muslim hatred. It is this insult which pains Muslims more.
It was humiliation not only for Muslim men, but Muslim women as well, when the media joined the BJP in claiming that they have taught a lesson to their men by voting for the BJP in the recent Assembly elections.
By closing down the slaughterhouses, the economic backbone of the poor Muslims is being broken. They are being forced to be slaves of the wishes of the state which itself is turning more and more Hindu with each passing day. The resolve to change the living style of Muslims could have been reported by the media two years ago, when the Home Minister asked the BSF to plug the gaps in the borders of India and Bangladesh, stop the transfer of cows to Bangladesh with the aim of making Bangladeshis forget their habit of eating beef. Can one miss the symbolism of this exhortation?
Let us not confuse it then by saying that it should not be narrowly seen as a Hindu-Muslim thing, that it is an attack on the syncretic culture of India. Let us also not compare with the attack on Adivasis in Chhattisgarh and Jharkhand, or on Dalits across India. This is because, as my friend Shahnawaz explains, a news of the arrest of a bearded man in some distant land does make all bearded men suspect, fit to be arrested and even lynched. The feeling of the fear of living under this ‘legitimate suspicion’ is distinctly Muslim. And we have seen Adivasis and Dalits joining anti-Muslim alliances, politically and socially. Dalits can be made Hindu and Adivasis too, it is the Muslims alone which are the last stumbling block in the project of making India a Hindu land. And since it is impossible to eliminate them totally, they need to be effectively subjugated, confined to their ghettos and disempowered, so that Indian polity is not contaminated by the Muslim touch.
That we are so reluctant to speak the ‘M’ word is itself a proof of what has changed in India. And Muslims themselves have started pleading with parties not to utter their name for it may antagonise and infuriate Hindus.
As it is, the Christians have just disappeared from our consciousness. We lack the sensibility and empathy to realise the depth of disappointment, anger and frustration of Muslims. To most of us their fears sound hallucinatory. Muslims across India have suffered multiple displacements. They do not any longer resent being ghettoised even with popular consent. But now, their psychological displacement is getting complete. While observing their present being invisiblised, they also see themselves being monumentalised and their cries and shouts drown in the celebration of these syncretic pasts, Sufi music, Taj Mahal and Lal Quila. The celebration of Urdu looks so obscene when you realise that a paper in Urdu in your possession can land you in jail.
Let us record that the educated and the media reported and exalted the pious and hard lives of the hate-mongers and murderers, that they weaved stories of their love for the animals with a singular aim to humanise and legitimise their hatred of Muslims. Why do Mulsims fail to find place in such kind hearts? The fault must lie in them.
Let us put it on record that India was pushed into this war by its ruling parties, the governments that they created and fostered disaffection towards a large section of society and stoked violence against them. Let it be recorded that the finest minds of the educated youth who form our civil services and the police collaborated in this with the murderers. Let it be said that we went about our lives unperturbed when our neighbours were doubling with pain and not allowed to scream even for it would sound a sectarian cry.
It would be a long war and we would come out of it one day, with stories of the banality of violence and our shame of participating in it and mutilated bodies.
Victims are being blamed for forging victimhood; asked to free themselves of this imaginary cage. This duplicity would be noted in some distant time. We would not be there then. But let us stand witness to what is being done on our behalf and call it by its name. That much we can do at least.
The writer is a Professor of Hindi in Delhi University

Terrible follow up on the beef issue in India.

 

[santos11]

Riots start but they are extinguished very soon and not allowed to escalate.

 

[Swanny]

http://www.tribuneindia.com/news/comment/the-anti-muslim-pitch/382700.html

EWARE India! You are being led into a civil war. Or, you are already in it. This is not a rhetorical statement. In UP, slaughterhouses are being demolished, closed down forcibly, small mutton shops are being gutted. Livelihood of thousands is under threat, that too by the orders of the government which had promised to work for all. In Jaipur, a hotel owned by a Muslim is surrounded and attacked in daylight, its employees beaten up by a mob, hotel is evacuated, sealed, the owner is hounded, the police joins the marauders. Youth are being arrested for Facebook posts on the new CM in UP.
I know what would be the reaction of many of my co-nationals. That the number of these incidents is insignificant when compared with the population of India. That Muslims can always change their food habits. Why are they stuck in the business of slaughterhouses, a cruel job? They can always find alternative ways to live. Why do they insist on eating beef, making their women wear burqa which makes them look strange and suspicious! That was the rationale behind the demand to double-check them when they come to the booths.
This is a war on the Muslims of India. It needs to be said in these very words. And the spread is wide. Thousands and thousands of Muslims in Assam are being evicted from their habitats in the name of preservation of forest lands and yet the national mind fails even to register it.
Just before the election, a 16-year-old Muslim boy is detained in a police station in Uttarakhand on the charge of abducting a Hindu girl, and is sent dead to his poor parents by the police. His murder at the hand of the state apparatus fails to make news. No cry of justice for him.
A Muslim student disappears from a university and all the media can do after five months is to discover that he had affinity for terrorists. It is not only the physical injury that hurts. It is not only a Muslim of UP who is feeling a prisoner of this nation called India. The message of the results was clear enough, but to make it stark, a man was put in charge of UP whose existence is defined by his anti-Muslim hatred. It is this insult which pains Muslims more.
It was humiliation not only for Muslim men, but Muslim women as well, when the media joined the BJP in claiming that they have taught a lesson to their men by voting for the BJP in the recent Assembly elections.
By closing down the slaughterhouses, the economic backbone of the poor Muslims is being broken. They are being forced to be slaves of the wishes of the state which itself is turning more and more Hindu with each passing day. The resolve to change the living style of Muslims could have been reported by the media two years ago, when the Home Minister asked the BSF to plug the gaps in the borders of India and Bangladesh, stop the transfer of cows to Bangladesh with the aim of making Bangladeshis forget their habit of eating beef. Can one miss the symbolism of this exhortation?
Let us not confuse it then by saying that it should not be narrowly seen as a Hindu-Muslim thing, that it is an attack on the syncretic culture of India. Let us also not compare with the attack on Adivasis in Chhattisgarh and Jharkhand, or on Dalits across India. This is because, as my friend Shahnawaz explains, a news of the arrest of a bearded man in some distant land does make all bearded men suspect, fit to be arrested and even lynched. The feeling of the fear of living under this ‘legitimate suspicion’ is distinctly Muslim. And we have seen Adivasis and Dalits joining anti-Muslim alliances, politically and socially. Dalits can be made Hindu and Adivasis too, it is the Muslims alone which are the last stumbling block in the project of making India a Hindu land. And since it is impossible to eliminate them totally, they need to be effectively subjugated, confined to their ghettos and disempowered, so that Indian polity is not contaminated by the Muslim touch.
That we are so reluctant to speak the ‘M’ word is itself a proof of what has changed in India. And Muslims themselves have started pleading with parties not to utter their name for it may antagonise and infuriate Hindus.
As it is, the Christians have just disappeared from our consciousness. We lack the sensibility and empathy to realise the depth of disappointment, anger and frustration of Muslims. To most of us their fears sound hallucinatory. Muslims across India have suffered multiple displacements. They do not any longer resent being ghettoised even with popular consent. But now, their psychological displacement is getting complete. While observing their present being invisiblised, they also see themselves being monumentalised and their cries and shouts drown in the celebration of these syncretic pasts, Sufi music, Taj Mahal and Lal Quila. The celebration of Urdu looks so obscene when you realise that a paper in Urdu in your possession can land you in jail.
Let us record that the educated and the media reported and exalted the pious and hard lives of the hate-mongers and murderers, that they weaved stories of their love for the animals with a singular aim to humanise and legitimise their hatred of Muslims. Why do Mulsims fail to find place in such kind hearts? The fault must lie in them.
Let us put it on record that India was pushed into this war by its ruling parties, the governments that they created and fostered disaffection towards a large section of society and stoked violence against them. Let it be recorded that the finest minds of the educated youth who form our civil services and the police collaborated in this with the murderers. Let it be said that we went about our lives unperturbed when our neighbours were doubling with pain and not allowed to scream even for it would sound a sectarian cry.
It would be a long war and we would come out of it one day, with stories of the banality of violence and our shame of participating in it and mutilated bodies.
Victims are being blamed for forging victimhood; asked to free themselves of this imaginary cage. This duplicity would be noted in some distant time. We would not be there then. But let us stand witness to what is being done on our behalf and call it by its name. That much we can do at least.
The writer is a Professor of Hindi in Delhi University

People need to wake up & start calling Sangh Parivar as terrorists. We need these peple out to make any meaningful progress. These are not only threat to minorities but are alsoo holding us back. Throw these terrorists in jail & hang them. These people should be demonized to the same extent Neo-Nazis & the KKK are demonized.

Hope Indian posters here realize that these gangrenous elements should be exised before the rot spreads even more.

 

[boomboomcheema]

People need to wake up & start calling Sangh Parivar as terrorists. We need these peple out to make any meaningful progress. These are not only threat to minorities but are alsoo holding us back. Throw these terrorists in jail & hang them. These people should be demonized to the same extent Neo-Nazis & the KKK are demonized.

Hope Indian posters here realize that these gangrenous elements should be exised before the rot spreads even more.

Let's not kid yourself. The Indian Public inspite of being fully aware regarding the past track record of Modi brought him to power as a Nation hero and it was very obvious that the Hindu extremism may become a norm with Modo's elevation as the PM.

 

[sshakir411]

70 years later Muslims still fear for their lives in India...sad

 

[akki]

70 years later Muslims still fear for their lives in India...sad

Muslims fear for their life in pakistan too.....dont they ?? they never know that will they reach home safely at night or not...

 

[boomboomcheema]

Muslims fear for their life in pakistan too.....dont they ?? they never know that will they reach home safely at night or not...

Not because of their religion though. No Muslim in Pakistan is unsafe because of his Religion.

While Muslim's in India get lynched over petty issues like Beef eating. Killed for eating a basic type of meat.

 

[sshakir411]

Muslims fear for their life in pakistan too.....dont they ?? they never know that will they reach home safely at night or not...

Huh? You seem to be confused here. Pakistan's issue is dealing with foreign sponsored terrorist groups that are directly attacking a certain sect of Islam or just killing people. It has nothing to do with Pakistani Muslims hating/killing other Pakistanis.

 

[GujjarLife]

Muslims fear for their life in pakistan too.....dont they ?? they never know that will they reach home safely at night or not...

Lol..Pakistanis are just fine with their lives and don't fear for their security. Sad to see citizens of a self-proclaimed superpower have to come to a Pakistani online forum to feel good about themselves.

 

[Swanny]

Let's not kid yourself. The Indian Public inspite of being fully aware regarding the past track record of Modi brought him to power as a Nation hero and it was very obvious that the Hindu extremism may become a norm with Modo's elevation as the PM.

Hopefully it's just a just phase. Hopefully people wake up before a bigger disaster than Nazi Germany. October of 17 is not far away.

 

[boomboomcheema]

Hopefully it's just a just phase. Hopefully people wake up before a bigger disaster than Nazi Germany. October of 17 is not far away.

Rare to come across Indians like you, so there is hope.

 

[Swanny]

Rare to come across Indians like you, so there is hope.

Eh what did you mean Indians like me ?

 

[in_cutter]

Just watched footage of an Indian mob beating Nigerian men at a Delhi shopping mall. Savages.

 

[akki]

70 years later Muslims still fear for their lives in India...sad

Lol..Pakistanis are just fine with their lives and don't fear for their security. Sad to see citizens of a self-proclaimed superpower have to come to a Pakistani online forum to feel good about themselves.

Yeah we also know better about pakistan who is safe or who is not ,between india is much safer for anyone than in pakistan....Plus we dnt compare ourselves to pakistan generally to feel good abt ourselves.....We knw we have alot lot of issues in our country and the thing is we are tackling with it positively.....you dnt know iota of india....india is very huge and you guys only choose selective issues which suits your agenda and so that you can justify the partition....

 

[GujjarLife]

Yeah we also know better about pakistan who is safe or who is not ,between india is much safer for anyone than in pakistan....Plus we dnt compare ourselves to pakistan generally to feel good abt ourselves.....We knw we have alot lot of issues in our country and the thing is we are tackling with it positively.....you dnt know iota of india....india is very huge and you guys only choose selective issues which suits your agenda and so that you can justify the partition....

Most Pakistanis don't care about India and have very little interest in it. Indians, however, are all over Pakistani forums and websites. Just look at the comment section on Pakistani newspapers. They are also more worried about the negative impact CPEC will have on Pakistanis. I just wish Indians would extent their 'Isolate Pakistan' policy to Pakistani websites and finally boycott Pakistani newspapers.

 

[akki]

Most Pakistanis don't care about India and have very little interest in it. Indians, however, are all over Pakistani forums and websites. Just look at the comment section on Pakistani newspapers. They are also more worried about the negative impact CPEC will have on Pakistanis. I just wish Indians would extent their 'Isolate Pakistan' policy to Pakistani websites and finally boycott Pakistani newspapers.

oh bhai mere india population is about 6 -7 times more than pakistan so that's y you see us everywhere....we are literally everywhere in the whole world...you cant find a place where you wont find an indian...any company,any place, any video comment everywhere....

 

[boomboomcheema]

Eh what did you mean Indians like me ?

Indians who are critical of the rising Hindu extremism in India.

 

[czar]

Lol..Pakistanis are just fine with their lives and don't fear for their security. Sad to see citizens of a self-proclaimed superpower have to come to a Pakistani online forum to feel good about themselves.

With daily bombings going on in Pakistan, the public feels safe?

 

[ahsan17]

With daily bombings going on in Pakistan, the public feels safe?

Which daily bombings? Are you still stuck in time?

 

[Swanny]

Indians who are critical of the rising Hindu extremism in India.

Rising ? It's always been this bad.