Are Indian Muslim celebrities doing enough to look after their brethren in India?

[MenInG]

Dont hear too much from Indian Muslims celebs when it comes to helping out Muslims in India - many ways they can help including in times of Covid-19 but it could be that they are busy doing this behind the scenes in which case, please feel free to add news about their efforts here.

 

[Knight_Rider]

Dont hear too much from Indian Muslims celebs when it comes to helping out Muslims in India - many ways they can help including in times of Covid-19 but it could be that they are busy doing this behind the scenes in which case, please feel free to add news about their efforts here.

In a sense, are Indian Hindus also not our brothers?
We share same ancestors (to most part).

Some times i get the feeling that there are a lot of smoke and mirrors when it comes to communal hatred in india. May be we should try to rise above the ‘commonly accepted perception’ some times.

 

[gazza619]

Feel very sorry about Indian celebrities (let alone Muslim celebrities or indian muslims in general)

In India you cannot openly talk your mind and this applies to everyone, otherwise the Modis of this generation will skin you alive.

 

[MenInG]

In a sense, are Indian Hindus also not our brothers?
We share same ancestors (to most part).

Some times i get the feeling that there are a lot of smoke and mirrors when it comes to communal hatred in india. May be we should try to rise above the ‘commonly accepted perception’ some times.

Here's how it works.

If I ignore the people in my household and start helping people around the country, then who is going to help my family?

Of course in society where equal rights existed for all or where Muslims were doing as well as their other compatriots, this would be great but Muslims need a helping hand and well to do/Celeb Muslims can help them get to equal footing.

 

[Pakpak]

They will be hounded out of India. I mean people rounded on Amir Khan very very badly for the crime of being semi neutral on Pakistan. Never mind anything else.

 

[Rajdeep]

There is no concept as muslim brethren in India. I think OP is confusing Democratic republic of India with Islamic republic of Pakistan. All Indian celebrities consider themselves as Indians irrespective of their religious background. When they do charity, they do it for all needy people irrespective of the brethren they belong. I know concept of true secular democracy is alien for few but Indians adhere to it diligently.

 

[IAJ]

There is no concept as muslim brethren in India. I think OP is confusing Democratic republic of India with Islamic republic of Pakistan. All Indian celebrities consider themselves as Indians irrespective of their religious background. When they do charity, they do it for all needy people irrespective of the brethren they belong. I know concept of true secular democracy is alien for few but Indians adhere to it diligently.

Muslims are brothers, if they live in India, Pakistan or Venezuela, it doesn’t matter. This is a hadeeth of the Prophet (saw) so no muslim will reject it.

Besides, Zakat can first and foremost be given to muslims so there has to be a concept of brethren in India.

 

[Local.Dada]

Firstly no one sees celebrities in India as Hindu/Muslim.

SRK is not a Muslim icon, he is an icon for Indians. Same goes for Shami or Sania or anyone.

Also anyways if they were so concerned about Muslims instead of tweeting posts on social media, they would have donated money for the cause of uplifting Say minority women or children. Women for being persecuted in the religion and children for potentially being misguided into extremism. There are so much more they can do than just post opinion about a popular trend. That’s more important.

By the way Modi’s government has allocated the highest budget in Indian history for minority education which would benefit muslims who are the largest minority in India. They also got rid of the Triple Talaq bill. Something these Muslim celebrities if they were so concerned about Islam would have raised their voice against or other social injustices in the Muslim community.

Not sure what the expectation here is

 

[CricketCartoons]

Makes sense to help your community first, especially if they are minorities. The seculars are basically majoritarians. A secular hindu's charity (assuming the hindus do charity at all) has 80% chance of reaching hindus. A secular muslim's charity has 15% chance of reaching muslims. dice is loaded in the favour of hindu majority and a muslim focussing on muslims first will be labelled as communal.

 

[CanadianG00se]

Here's how it works.

If I ignore the people in my household and start helping people around the country, then who is going to help my family?

Of course in society where equal rights existed for all or where Muslims were doing as well as their other compatriots, this would be great but Muslims need a helping hand and well to do/Celeb Muslims can help them get to equal footing.

So, would you be fine if Hindu celebs or business tycoons help only their community and disregard people from other communities?

What you’re suggesting is root cause of communal problems. You help out people in your neighbourhood regardless of their faith. If you want to giveaway food and go out particularly looking for Muslim people then you ain’t helping, you’re creating even bigger problem. Let say Salman Khan is helping poor Muslims only in Mumbai, can you imagine what headlines would be like?

 

[CanadianG00se]

Feel very sorry about Indian celebrities (let alone Muslim celebrities or indian muslims in general)

In India you cannot openly talk your mind and this applies to everyone, otherwise the Modis of this generation will skin you alive.

Bollywood deserves all the hate they are getting. They are not saints that you should feel bad for them. Pathetic bunch

 

[CanadianG00se]

Makes sense to help your community first, especially if they are minorities. The seculars are basically majoritarians. A secular hindu's charity (assuming the hindus do charity at all) has 80% chance of reaching hindus. A secular muslim's charity has 15% chance of reaching muslims. dice is loaded in the favour of hindu majority and a muslim focussing on muslims first will be labelled as communal.

If you were Indian then you’d have known that. But being in BD how’d you know. So, let me answer that. There are millions of Hindus who does charity like any other community people. They have various trusts that help people in various way, for instance there used to be a trust who would offer very low price medical services including dental surgery to people who couldn’t afford it. And yes, it was run/own by Hindus( Patels from Gujarat).

It seems this thread is more focused on bashing people of certain community.

 

[CricketCartoons]

If you were Indian then you’d have known that. But being in BD how’d you know. So, let me answer that. There are millions of Hindus who does charity like any other community people. They have various trusts that help people in various way, for instance there used to be a trust who would offer very low price medical services including dental surgery to people who couldn’t afford it. And yes, it was run/own by Hindus( Patels from Gujarat).

It seems this thread is more focused on bashing people of certain community.

It is good to know that hindus do charity, and most of the beneficiaries are hindus ( absolutely nothing wrong with that). But why do them have objection when muslims do charity focussing on Muslim First.

 

[IAJ]

So, would you be fine if Hindu celebs or business tycoons help only their community and disregard people from other communities?

What you’re suggesting is root cause of communal problems. You help out people in your neighbourhood regardless of their faith. If you want to giveaway food and go out particularly looking for Muslim people then you ain’t helping, you’re creating even bigger problem. Let say Salman Khan is helping poor Muslims only in Mumbai, can you imagine what headlines would be like?

I agree on alot of what you typed. People should focus on helping out every poor person no matter what faith they have in order to lift up the entire society.

In one of my posts I was talking about the concept of brethren. When muslims are brothers they should feel the pain when other muslims in society, especially being a minority, are hurt. That’s why I feel muslim celebs who reaches out to more people than a normal person should speak out.

 

[someone21]

India is a secular country, Muslims in India shouldn't, or need not to give preference to Muslims over Hindus. It's equality here but Mullahs and radicals don't accept it.

Salman has been slammed a lot for his participation in Hindu activities and celebrations.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Can't blame Muslim celebrities when they themselves feel like outsiders in India.

Some examples :

My Muslim identity was thrust on me in 1992: Shabana Azmi

https://m.timesofindia.com/india/My...in-1992-Shabana-Azmi/articleshow/49965510.cms

Denied House Because I'm Muslim : Emraan Hashmi

https://www.outlookindia.com/newswire/story/denied-house-because-im-muslim-emraan-hashmi/663649

 

[gani999]

In India you cannot openly talk your mind and this applies to everyone, otherwise the Modis of this generation will skin you alive.

Well, the last time I checked the likes of Arundathi Roy, NDTV, Rahul Gandhi, the JNU mafia, multitudes of Indian leftist 'intellectuals' (including some of the worthies on this forum) and many others were still putting out vitriol of the worst kind against Modi and no one was 'skinning them alive'.

Talk to me about the UK, child, assuming that's where you are located, and stop exhibiting your ignorance about other countries.

 

[IAJ]

Well, the last time I checked the likes of Arundathi Roy, NDTV, Rahul Gandhi, the JNU mafia, multitudes of Indian leftist 'intellectuals' (including some of the worthies on this forum) and many others were still putting out vitriol of the worst kind against Modi and no one was 'skinning them alive'.

Talk to me about the UK, child, assuming that's where you are located, and stop exhibiting your ignorance about other countries.

Rahul Gandhi is called traitor by BJP’s chamcey and the Godi-media. What can be worse than that?

 

[CanadianG00se]

It is good to know that hindus do charity, and most of the beneficiaries are hindus ( absolutely nothing wrong with that). But why do them have objection when muslims do charity focussing on Muslim First.

How do you even know that? You didn’t even knew they existed, now you’re assuming it benefits mostly Hindus only? They never ask religious affiliations when you use their service. It’s a charity not some religious based centre. I don’t know a single person who objects people have ‘Muslim First/Only’ charities, but it kinda nauseating.
In our community Aga Khan Foundation serves people globally regardless of their religious affiliations, and that’s how it should be. You spread humanity when you don’t see faith before helping someone.

 

[CanadianG00se]

Rahul Gandhi is called traitor by BJP’s chamcey and the Godi-media. What can be worse than that?

He is traitor as his family have been looting India for 7 decades. Ghandi family is similar to Shariff family of Pakistan, actually they are 10x worse.

 

[Bigboii]

So, would you be fine if Hindu celebs or business tycoons help only their community and disregard people from other communities?

What you’re suggesting is root cause of communal problems. You help out people in your neighbourhood regardless of their faith. If you want to giveaway food and go out particularly looking for Muslim people then you ain’t helping, you’re creating even bigger problem. Let say Salman Khan is helping poor Muslims only in Mumbai, can you imagine what headlines would be like?

you are not getting his point tho

So if black people feel or Asians feel like they are getting discriminated against their athletes and celebrities always speak up

I mean Lebron always speaks his mind on race issues but when he does charity or open schools he doesn't do it "only" for black kids and these are definitely more secular states than India

Charity and speaking up for your people are two different things
I will talk about what I have to go through during the airport searches and what my people are going through always but if we talk about reforms for that system than it wont just be about the treatment of brown people it'll be for everybody

 

[IAJ]

He is traitor as his family have been looting India for 7 decades. Ghandi family is similar to Shariff family of Pakistan, actually they are 10x worse.

How can a traitor walk like a free man in India? Shouldn’t he be behind the bars?

 

[CanadianG00se]

How can a traitor walk like a free man in India? Shouldn’t he be behind the bars?

Millions of Indians would love that to happen. Similar to how many Pakistani rejoice when Shariff was locked up. Congress is still very powerful political party that also have history of communal violence( for instance Delhi riots, 92 Mumbai riots, 84 Sikh riots etc) and if any Ghandi family member is arrested, their Chamchas will run riots in India. To be frank, seeing Papu Ghandi and his party in opposition gives me joy as well, as they always find themselves headless chicken.

Lot of people talk about BJP this and that, but no one even remembers in 71 Indira Ghandi abused her power to declare Emergency to stay in power after UP high court banned her for 6 years from contesting in elections. In 84 Congress goons went on riots after Indira was assassinated. In 92, they failed to take actions that resulted in Hindu-Muslim bloodiest riots in India. Overall, under congress era India have seen far worse blood bath. But I’m sure you have no idea about Indian history and you’re forming your opinion based on media.

Lot of people like me aren’t exactly Pro BJP, rather we are anti-Congress. We lack any proper political party that can lead India into future. For now, BJP is choice for millions.

 

[Zaz]

There is no concept as muslim brethren in India. I think OP is confusing Democratic republic of India with Islamic republic of Pakistan. All Indian celebrities consider themselves as Indians irrespective of their religious background. When they do charity, they do it for all needy people irrespective of the brethren they belong. I know concept of true secular democracy is alien for few but Indians adhere to it diligently.

Yh sure indians adhere to nation first diligently

Thats why you get riots and communal violence every few years and muslims are always among the least educated and employed and u have an anti muslim govt voted in for a 2nd successive term

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

There is no concept as muslim brethren in India. I think OP is confusing Democratic republic of India with Islamic republic of Pakistan. All Indian celebrities consider themselves as Indians irrespective of their religious background. When they do charity, they do it for all needy people irrespective of the brethren they belong. I know concept of true secular democracy is alien for few but Indians adhere to it diligently.

This happens in every country.

The issue is that Muslims are openly trashed by mainstream politicians in India. Indian Hindus have spoken out on these issues more than Indian Muslims celebrities. So the question is why are the Indian Muslim celebrities not speaking out? Are they scared? Will they be told to leave to India?

 

[Savak]

Salman Khan is the most blatant criminal godfather in Bollywood. Any major scandal in Bollywood or problems being faced by Indian Muslims the guy just remains silent

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

Salman Khan is the most blatant criminal godfather in Bollywood. Any major scandal in Bollywood or problems being faced by Indian Muslims the guy just remains silent

He only plays the Muslim card when he is in legal trouble. He has been known to wear the skull cap when he had to court.

 

[pillionrider]

It is good to know that hindus do charity, and most of the beneficiaries are hindus ( absolutely nothing wrong with that). But why do them have objection when muslims do charity focussing on Muslim First.

Just because you are not charitable doesn't mean all Hindus are not. Don't judge Hindus on stray cases like the Tirupathi temple's recent behaviour wrt their contracted employees.

The RSS runs schools and offers free education to kids from poor families. It's not their fault Muslims and Christians don't send their kids to these schools.

 

[sweep_shot]

Indian Muslim celebrities don't seem like they are very religious. Are they practicing Muslims? Just curious.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Indian Muslim celebrities don't seem like they are very religious. Are they practicing Muslims? Just curious.

The so called muslim celebrities who are popular among hindoos are not very religious, or hide public expression of their religion. That is a price they have to pay to be palatable to the hindoos. Among common muslims, there is a term called "sarkari musalman" which is used to describe such people.

The muslims who talk about the rights of muslims are branded communal and put in jail.

 

[Zaz]

The so called muslim celebrities who are popular among hindoos are not very religious, or hide public expression of their religion. That is a price they have to pay to be palatable to the hindoos. Among common muslims, there is a term called "sarkari musalman" which is used to describe such people.

The muslims who talk about the rights of muslims are branded communal and put in jail.

Exactly The day the likes of aamir salman and shahrukh start to stand up for muslim people and their rights is the day there careers will end and they will be marginalised

India and indians are very toxic and these lot have to toe the line Theres a reason why these celebs are very secular Its to appease the majority

 

[Saj]

They are high-profile people.

Surely they should speak their mind, or is the rupee more important than principles.

 

[KB]

Perhaps part of the issue is the misplaced and simple binary construction of secular nationalism on one hand religious communalism on the other. As Ayesha Jalal perceptively wrote, in India “To be secular and nationalist for a Muslim entails publicly disclaiming too close an association with the specific traits of the minority community, religious and cultural. Otherwise there is no escaping the pejorative label of ‘communalism’.”

To put this into some historical context, the debate over Pakistan in the 1940s is sometimes reduced to merely a battle for political spoils informed by pragmatic political interests. In fact, I think more powerful was the clashing of ideas and a genuine difference of principles. In the case of the Congress, they had come to view the Indian identity as pre-eminent, indivisible and monolithic. In this view, Muslims had to be more than anything else, Indians, first and foremost. Religious attachments could only be secondary to this. Many Muslims were uncomfortable with what they saw as the idea of sacrificing Islamic principles and/or the marginalisation of cultural identity informed by Islam. This can be clearly seen in the writings of Iqbal. In the 1930s, faced by the threat of what he saw as homogenising claims of Indian nationalism, which left little space for a Muslim identity, Iqbal proclaimed the right of a “communal entity” to “retain its private individuality.”

Partition was ascribed by many in India to the poisonous impact of religious communalism. This only reinforced the Congress position on the indivisibility of Indian identity. It meant, though, that concern for the Muslim community as Muslims could too easily be equated as disloyalty to the nation.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Exactly The day the likes of aamir salman and shahrukh start to stand up for muslim people and their rights is the day there careers will end and they will be marginalised

India and indians are very toxic and these lot have to toe the line Theres a reason why these celebs are very secular Its to appease the majority

I wouldn't call it toxic. The hindoos are also right in looking after their own interests, just like muslims are right looking after their own. secular, liberal values are driven by money. if you want the patronage of many, you have to pretend to be secular. If you want to increase the number of female options for dating, you have to pretend to be secular. if you want to enjoy all the vices this world has to offer, you have to be secular.

 

[CricketCartoons]

many indian secular hindoos have problems with muslims increasing using ramadan instead of ramzan, and allaf hafiz instead of khuda hafiz. The muslims are denied the right to express their religion, and any expression must be sanctioned by the secular jamaat first, any thing else is termed rise of communalism.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Exactly The day the likes of aamir salman and shahrukh start to stand up for muslim people and their rights is the day there careers will end and they will be marginalised

India and indians are very toxic and these lot have to toe the line Theres a reason why these celebs are very secular Its to appease the majority

All three of them have at least one hindu member in their family.

 

[gani999]

They are high-profile people.

Surely they should speak their mind, or is the rupee more important than principles.

They don't have to speak their minds, not in India. They've got lots of leftist Hindus who are only too willing to take the cudgel on their behalf.

They can focus on making their rupees. Others will happily speak for them.