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The title asks the question - are India's current pace bowlers more aggressive than Pakistan's pace bowling unit?

Pakistan's pace bowlers have been accused of lacking aggression recently.

Your thoughts?
 
Indian fast bowlers are more fit compared to Pak bowlers. Even at the end of the day Bumrah was charging in bowling 90mph.

Pak bowlers, though more skillful, loses gas after sometime. I have seen Wahab Riaz, Amir, Hasan Ali etc starts panting after longer spells.
 
India's pace bowlers are probably the least aggressive in terms of body language.
 
Canford Cliffs said:
Indian fast bowlers are more fit compared to Pak bowlers. Even at the end of the day Bumrah was charging in bowling 90mph.

Pak bowlers, though more skillful, loses gas after sometime. I have seen Wahab Riaz, Amir, Hasan Ali etc starts panting after longer spells.
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Have you seen Sohail Khan?

The guy is built like a tank but grunts, huffs, and puffs his way to 125kph thunderbolts.

He does have the dubious distinction of getting the Modern Fab 4 OUT.
 
I think the title suggests bowling more shorter balls at the body and balls that the batsmen have to play at. I would say yes India has the edge over Pakistan bowlers currently. It’s so disheartening to see amir bowling at least a foot wide of Alistair cook when ishant shows how it’s done. Shami and bumrah are still attacking the stumps at the end of their spells in the high 80 mph

Only Abbass is a genuine Pakistani bowling threat but he can only be effective if the partner at the other end creates pressure.
 
Based on last two tours of SA and this one, perhaps yes. Aggression shows up in average speeds, lengths being bowled and bouncers hurled.

But then these 6 tests in SA and Eng have had some very bowler friendly pitches as well.

A staggering stat, home or away Pakistan pacers have taken 5 wicket hauls 10 times in last 5 years. Our much criticised pacers have taken 16 5-wicket hauls in the same period.
 
cricketindiafan said:
Based on last two tours of SA and this one, perhaps yes. Aggression shows up in average speeds, lengths being bowled and bouncers hurled.

But then these 6 tests in SA and Eng have had some very bowler friendly pitches as well.

A staggering stat, home or away Pakistan pacers have taken 5 wicket hauls 10 times in last 5 years. Our much criticised pacers have taken 16 5-wicket hauls in the same period.
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How many tests for both units? What's their average as unit in the last 5 years?
 
Indian bowlers could be more aggressive in terms of the aspects that are written but there will be lots of factors which doesn't directly relate to the bowlers but can come from the team as a whole. So it is hard to determine the role of the bowler (if that was implied) since lots of variables are involved.
 
Virat Kohli is more aggressive than India + Pak Pacers combined.
 
Saj said:
The title asks the question - are India's current pace bowlers more aggressive than Pakistan's pace bowling unit?

Pakistan's pace bowlers have been accused of lacking aggression recently.

Your thoughts?
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You must not have watched Hasan Ali and Muhammad Amir.
 
Indian bowlers are mostly meek. But they have tremendous fitness. So they can keep up the pace for longer spells.
 
No Pak bowlers are more aggressive for sure. People here are getting carried away with silly analysis just because India are on the brink of winning the third test. Suddenly to them Indian bowlers have become the best thing ever.
 
PakLFC said:
No Pak bowlers are more aggressive for sure. People here are getting carried away with silly analysis just because India are on the brink of winning the third test. Suddenly to them Indian bowlers have become the best thing ever.
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Last 36 months, they have been the best, by some distance. Nothing "sudden" about it -

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If it were Dhoni you wouldn't have seen this. I think under Kohli fast bowlers don' forget to bowl fast. shami was clocking 88 mph late in the evening. Barrage of bouncer. Wahab Riaz was one guy who had the pace to rough up players.
 
Maybe because they can bowl a bit quicker on average but I was impressed by the accuracy and skill shown by Abbas and Hasan Ali who bowled really well. Our bowlers are not that consistent in their lines and lengths and can't bowl dry . Our bowlers look for a wicket every ball and as a unit don't create enough pressure in my opinion.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Maybe because they can bowl a bit quicker on average but I was impressed by the accuracy and skill shown by Abbas and Hasan Ali who bowled really well. Our bowlers are not that consistent in their lines and lengths and can't bowl dry . Our bowlers look for a wicket every ball and as a unit don't create enough pressure in my opinion.
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Well the stats say otherwise. Bumrah Bhuvi Shami vs Aamir Abbas Ali should be the comparision?
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Maybe because they can bowl a bit quicker on average but I was impressed by the accuracy and skill shown by Abbas and Hasan Ali who bowled really well. Our bowlers are not that consistent in their lines and lengths and can't bowl dry . Our bowlers look for a wicket every ball and as a unit don't create enough pressure in my opinion.
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Our inconsistent bowlers don't create enough pressure, yet have the best home/away record in the last 3 years?
 
Indian Pace bowlers are not aggressive by any means, however they are better bowlers by a country mile, meek in body language compared to the padosis though ( Hasan Ali etc)
 
Good to see Indian pacers being amongst the best in business over last 36 months. However inconsistency is something they are all plagued with time to time.

For instance Shami was great in 1st innings of Edgbaston test, however blew mostly cold ever since. Same goes for Ishant.
 
InziRules said:
So many Indian posters suddenly pop up after they finally win an away test :))
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Just like how so many Pak posters disappeared right through the 3rd Test. They were jumping up and down when India was getting spanked in 2nd Test :wahab2
 
MP2011 said:
Good to see Indian pacers being amongst the best in business over last 36 months. However inconsistency is something they are all plagued with time to time.

For instance Shami was great in 1st innings of Edgbaston test, however blew mostly cold ever since. Same goes for Ishant.
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You should also note that they are contributing immensely even in home test matches, while people foolishly mock our home test wins & attribute that to only spinners & slow/turning tracks! If they can't acknowledge/analyze this and simply continue to mock/troll them then they are committing epic sins under the law of PakPassion for sure :))

At times we have even played 3rd seamer in India and got fair results with that!
 
Body language wise we do not look aggressive. Shami is the only one who sometimes stare at the batsman. Otherwise Umesh, Bumrah, Bhuvi are all good bachas type. They bowl the ball and go back to their run ups quietly.

Zaheer was the last aggressive fast bowler we had.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Maybe because they can bowl a bit quicker on average but I was impressed by the accuracy and skill shown by Abbas and Hasan Ali who bowled really well. Our bowlers are not that consistent in their lines and lengths and can't bowl dry . Our bowlers look for a wicket every ball and as a unit don't create enough pressure in my opinion.
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Think Bumrah did well, even after press conference he said in tests I need to bowl with consistency and not to try to take wicket, think with time our bowlers are getting it to that aspect, Umesh though lol.
 
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RamLakhan said:
You should also note that they are contributing immensely even in home test matches, while people foolishly mock our home test wins & attribute that to only spinners & slow/turning tracks! If they can't acknowledge/analyze this and simply continue to mock/troll them then they are committing epic sins under the law of PakPassion for sure :))

At times we have even played 3rd seamer in India and got fair results with that!
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True that. We are unfairly targetted for our home record. They probably don't know what every other team will give to have a home record like that.

And its not that any other team is having better away record (in unfavourable conditions) either.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
Body language wise we do not look aggressive. Shami is the only one who sometimes stare at the batsman. Otherwise Umesh, Bumrah, Bhuvi are all good bachas type. They bowl the ball and go back to their run ups quietly.

Zaheer was the last aggressive fast bowler we had.
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Sreesanth was also aggressive. Unfortunately he did not have the skills to back it up.
 
IMMY69 said:
So the batsmen are letting India down then?
It's usually the other way around.
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Yeah. Our batting has been very ordinary especially on challenging pitches bar Virat especially since last year or so. Much maligned bowlers have more often than not stepped up during that period.
 
troodon said:
Sreesanth was also aggressive. Unfortunately he did not have the skills to back it up.
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I knew someone will bring his name here. He didn't have the skills thats why he looked like an idiot when he tried to look aggressive. He once got Hayden out on 80 something and celebrated like he got him out on zero.
 
People are underestimating Ishant's aggression and getting in head of batsmen.
 
JaDed said:
Think Bumrah did well, even after press conference he said in tests I need to bowl with consistency and not to try to take wicket, think with time our bowlers are getting it to that aspect, Umesh though lol.
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Bumrah was pretty good and so was pandya but the worst in this series has been Shami. Too many freebies.
 
JaDed said:
Which is true but I still wouldn't replace him with Umesh.
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Even I wouldn't change the team for the next test. But it would be for continuity's sake and not because Shami has been better than Umesh. Shami has actually been below par by his standards so far.

I know Umesh didn't turn up in the 1st innings at Edgbaston but his spell in the 2nd innings was a serious one - he was swinging the ball both ways at 144+ and the Englishmen literally couldn't put bat to ball most of the time.

Umesh was India's best bowler in the LoI leg and it feels like he is getting shortchanged in the test matches. He didn't get a single game in SA and now has been dropped after literally one bad innings. He got 3 for 76 in the 1st test - not a performance worthy of benching someone.

All of this in the backdrop of that fantastic series against Australia in 2017 where he took 17 wickets. The next highest by a fast bowler was 9. That's how much better he was.
 
BlackShadow said:
Last 36 months, they have been the best, by some distance. Nothing "sudden" about it -

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Last 36 months....ok so how many of those bowlers are still playing now? Which teams did they win? How many times did they win away from against Eng, SA and Aus? How many series? How many wickets were taken by spinners as opposed to the pace bowlers? How many 5fers? How many 10fers?
 
More than anything, it’s the fear of being reprimanded by the ICC for giving send-offs and verbal exchanges to the batsmen.

Wahab Riaz got fined for clapping, (yes clapping) in a grown man’s face.
 
I like the way the Indian pacers roughed-up the England batsmen in Nottingham. It didn't matter whether it was top order batsmen or England's tailenders, they all got plenty of chin music and plenty of words fired at them.
 
Saj said:
I like the way the Indian pacers roughed-up the England batsmen in Nottingham. It didn't matter whether it was top order batsmen or England's tailenders, they all got plenty of chin music and plenty of words fired at them.
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Are the Pakistani pacers told to keep quiet and avoid fines or are they just non-confrontational?
 
ManFan said:
Are the Pakistani pacers told to keep quiet and avoid fines or are they just non-confrontational?
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Very rare that the Pakistani pacers get in the faces of the opposition these days. Certainly wasn't the case when the 2 Ws were around.
 
the_outsider said:
Even I wouldn't change the team for the next test. But it would be for continuity's sake and not because Shami has been better than Umesh. Shami has actually been below par by his standards so far.

I know Umesh didn't turn up in the 1st innings at Edgbaston but his spell in the 2nd innings was a serious one - he was swinging the ball both ways at 144+ and the Englishmen literally couldn't put bat to ball most of the time.

Umesh was India's best bowler in the LoI leg and it feels like he is getting shortchanged in the test matches. He didn't get a single game in SA and now has been dropped after literally one bad innings. He got 3 for 76 in the 1st test - not a performance worthy of benching someone.

All of this in the backdrop of that fantastic series against Australia in 2017 where he took 17 wickets. The next highest by a fast bowler was 9. That's how much better he was.
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That's the thing with him, when he is on a song, heis remarkable, esp with the old ball but when he is bowling filthhe does terribly and takes off the pressure.
 
InziRules said:
So many Indian posters suddenly pop up after they finally win an away test :))
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Yeah. Because they are not saints. It is natural to feel sad after team's loss and go into a shell. Opposite is true when opposite happens.
Nothing to moan/laugh about.
 
barah_admi said:
Last 36 months....ok so how many of those bowlers are still playing now? Which teams did they win? How many times did they win away from against Eng, SA and Aus? How many series? How many wickets were taken by spinners as opposed to the pace bowlers? How many 5fers? How many 10fers?
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Your questions are applicable to all the countries.
In fact their efforts are more commendable because they played most of the matches in asian conditions.
 
Hard to say as bowling is such an art each bowler is different so makes no sense to compare aggressiveness of bowlers of Nation X to bowlers of Nation Y.

Hasan Ali is more aggressive than Bhuvneshwar Kumar, but Ishant Sharma is more aggressive than say, Faheem Ashraf.
 
ManFan said:
Have you seen Sohail Khan?

The guy is built like a tank but grunts, huffs, and puffs his way to 125kph thunderbolts.

He does have the dubious distinction of getting the Modern Fab 4 OUT.
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With the way he used to train it is no surprise that there was a time when Sohail Khan was very quick - frequently in the 90s. But his back issues severely reduced his pace, and he had to rely on swing and bounce to make it to the International team again.
 
cricketindiafan said:
Based on last two tours of SA and this one, perhaps yes. Aggression shows up in average speeds, lengths being bowled and bouncers hurled.

But then these 6 tests in SA and Eng have had some very bowler friendly pitches as well.

A staggering stat, home or away Pakistan pacers have taken 5 wicket hauls 10 times in last 5 years. Our much criticised pacers have taken 16 5-wicket hauls in the same period.
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Well, if you analyze the period, you'll see why. In the last 5 years, quite a majority of the matches were played on the dead pitches of UAE. During that time period, we had excellent spinners in Saeed Ajmal, Abdul Rehman who then passed on the mantle to Yasir Shah and Zulfiqar Babar. Also, the pacers we had at our disposal were just decent. Imran Khan Snr., Rahat Ali, Sohail Khan and Talha were nothing really that special. Junaid Khan and Wahab Riaz were probably the best of the lot, and I'm pretty sure Junaid has most of the 5-W hauls out of the 10. Our current pace battery up is evidently much better than the previous one and have only played only a single series fully assembled. Surely they need time to flourish.
 
The Indian pacers were once again in the faces of the English batsmen.

Plenty of aggression, great technique and some excellent deliveries.
 
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