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According to a poster

"Muslims are safer in India than in Pakistan"

I've never been to India but visit Pakistan reguarly and never seen or experienced a single incident of Islamaphobia or anti-Muslim sentiment. Pakistan is a Muslim nation which prides itself as being such, so I dont understand the statement.

In India we can list many incidents and discimrination against Muslims, inc new laws which have been set.

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Does anyone else feel the same?
 
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Which Muslims are safer in Pakistan?

Ahmedi Muslims?


Shia Muslims?

Apparently Pakistan doesn’t have discriminatory laws against its own citizens.

I guess it’s a matter of pride for the majority Muslim sect not to target its own members.
 
Which Muslims are safer in Pakistan?

Ahmedi Muslims?


Shia Muslims?

Apparently Pakistan doesn’t have discriminatory laws against its own citizens.

I guess it’s a matter of pride for the majority Muslim sect not to target its own members.

You agree Muslim in India are safer?

Please explain why?

Any Muslims you like, since you hate all of their faiths.
 
You agree Muslim in India are safer?

Please explain why?

Any Muslims you like, since you hate all of their faiths.

You’re the one who started the thread.

You claim there is no discrimination against Muslims in Pakistan. Facts don’t seem to back up your sentiment.

I don’t agree with any ignorant blanket statements. Be it by Indians or Pakistanis.

So, does Pakistan or India have laws that target specific Muslim sects?

Is there nationwide targeting of sects which the state has hasn’t or isn’t willing to curb?
 
May be Sunnis are more safer in Pakistan. But Shias and Ahmedis are safer in India. They don't get shot for being a Shia or Ahmedi like in Pakistan.
 
May be Sunnis are more safer in Pakistan. But Shias and Ahmedis are safer in India. They don't get shot for being a Shia or Ahmedi like in Pakistan.

Police fire pellet guns on Kashmir Muharram procession

Dozens injured as Indian forces attack mourners with pellet guns and tear gas in Muslim-majority region, say witnesses.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020...ram-procession-witnesses-200829164003807.html

Anyways When lynch mobs attack Muslims or force them to chant things , I doubt they check what sect that Muslim is from.
 
India is safer than Pakistan for all religions, islam included. What was the name of that governor who was shot dead by his fellow muslim .. Taseer?

If a provincial governor is unsafe from the extremism of his people, I can only imagine the fear an average citizen lives in.
 
Police fire pellet guns on Kashmir Muharram procession



https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020...ram-procession-witnesses-200829164003807.html

Anyways When lynch mobs attack Muslims or force them to chant things , I doubt they check what sect that Muslim is from.

They are not killed for being Shia in India. The pellet guns (though excess force) was used for enforcing Procession ban due to Corona Virus.

In Pakistan, Shias and Ahmedis are killed for being a Shia and Ahmedi. So a huge difference.

Indian passport also does not identify Ahmedis as non-muslims and taking away their fundamental right.
 
What a thread. Thats like comparing two of the worst countries in the world for religious minorities rights.
 
You’re the one who started the thread.

You claim there is no discrimination against Muslims in Pakistan
. Facts don’t seem to back up your sentiment.

I don’t agree with any ignorant blanket statements. Be it by Indians or Pakistanis.

So, does Pakistan or India have laws that target specific Muslim sects?

Is there nationwide targeting of sects which the state has hasn’t or isn’t willing to curb?

:))

Try using your glasses to read.

Ive simply said I dont accept Indian Muslims are treated better than Pakistani Muslims. The reason is it's idiotic to even think this.

Simple reason - India has enshrined laws which are go against Muslims. Pakistan has no laws against Muslims, would be daft to do so.

Nobody can defend the statement in the OP so far, please try harder guys.
 
:))

Try using your glasses to read.

Ive simply said I dont accept Indian Muslims are treated better than Pakistani Muslims. The reason is it's idiotic to even think this.

Simple reason - India has enshrined laws which are go against Muslims. Pakistan has no laws against Muslims, would be daft to do so.

Nobody can defend the statement in the OP so far, please try harder guys.

Depends what type of muslim you are. Ahmedi/Shia/Ismaili peopel might not agree.
 
:))

Try using your glasses to read.

Ive simply said I dont accept Indian Muslims are treated better than Pakistani Muslims. The reason is it's idiotic to even think this.

Simple reason - India has enshrined laws which are go against Muslims. Pakistan has no laws against Muslims, would be daft to do so.

Nobody can defend the statement in the OP so far, please try harder guys.

Typical ignorant comment.


Pakistan doesn’t have laws enshrined against Ahmedi Muslims?
 
India has always been safer for people from all religion compared to Pakistan. The fact that many named Pakistani's took refuge in India over the years but not a single Indian muslim ever wished to go and live in Pakistan tells you the story.
 
India has always been safer for people from all religion compared to Pakistan. The fact that many named Pakistani's took refuge in India over the years but not a single Indian muslim ever wished to go and live in Pakistan tells you the story.

Your sarcasm has no boundaries
 
India has always been safer for people from all religion compared to Pakistan. The fact that many named Pakistani's took refuge in India over the years but not a single Indian muslim ever wished to go and live in Pakistan tells you the story.

The topic is Muslims in India and Pakistan. Out of 200 million Muslims in Pakistan, how many millions have taken refuge in India?

Muslims in India are being killed for walking cows, how many in Pakistan were attacked as if they were Jack going to sell his cow for some magic beans?

Interesting it's the anti-Islamic and RSS brigade who seem to beleive in such delusions. :)
 
The topic is Muslims in India and Pakistan. Out of 200 million Muslims in Pakistan, how many millions have taken refuge in India?

Muslims in India are being killed for walking cows, how many in Pakistan were attacked as if they were Jack going to sell his cow for some magic beans?

Interesting it's the anti-Islamic and RSS brigade who seem to beleive in such delusions. :)

Shias/ahmedis are always under attack in pakistan. India on paper is secular, but the condition of minorities in india aint something to be proud of.
 
Depends what type of muslim you are. Ahmedi/Shia/Ismaili peopel might not agree.

They are a tiny minority, so even if we accept 100% are treated poorly, it's still 98% are not. In India I would say over 50% of the 200 million Muslims are scared to be ruled by RSS, esp after seeing anti Muslim laws against them.

Only a really ignorant person would believe Imran Khan is worse for Muslims than Modi. :)) Hillarious actually.
 
They are a tiny minority, so even if we accept 100% are treated poorly, it's still 98% are not. In India I would say over 50% of the 200 million Muslims are scared to be ruled by RSS, esp after seeing anti Muslim laws against them.

Only a really ignorant person would believe Imran Khan is worse for Muslims than Modi. :)) Hillarious actually.
WHO BELIVES THAT
"In India I would say over 50% of the 200 million Muslims are scared to be ruled by RSS, esp after seeing anti Muslim laws against them."
Can you provide documents or link to prove that number.
 
Shias/ahmedis are always under attack in pakistan. India on paper is secular, but the condition of minorities in india aint something to be proud of.

I agree that India is secular by constitution. We do not have laws discriminating based on Religion, caste or sex. But everything is carried out subtly in India. Like hidden racism in the West.

Pakistan on the other hand has laws made against its minorities.
 
Its pretty pathetic that two sides are arguing about better religious minority rites, when both sides are one of the worst abusers.
 
I agree that India is secular by constitution. We do not have laws discriminating based on Religion, caste or sex. But everything is carried out subtly in India. Like hidden racism in the West.

Pakistan on the other hand has laws made against its minorities.

Agreed 100 percent. However i would so "at this time" in india the racism is not that Subtle.
 
They are a tiny minority, so even if we accept 100% are treated poorly, it's still 98% are not. In India I would say over 50% of the 200 million Muslims are scared to be ruled by RSS, esp after seeing anti Muslim laws against them.

Only a really ignorant person would believe Imran Khan is worse for Muslims than Modi. :)) Hillarious actually.

Apparently persecution of minorities is ok provided they are 2% or less of the population..

“IF we accept” - what a disingenuous and morally repugnant thing to say. All in a days work for you.
 
They are not killed for being Shia in India. The pellet guns (though excess force) was used for enforcing Procession ban due to Corona Virus.

In Pakistan, Shias and Ahmedis are killed for being a Shia and Ahmedi. So a huge difference.

Indian passport also does not identify Ahmedis as non-muslims and taking away their fundamental right.

Like I said extremist who lynch Muslims or attack Muslim neighborhoods don’t know or care if the Muslim is Shia or Sunni. So while they might not be killed for being Shia, they are killed for being Muslim.

BTW many Hindu events also took place despite COVID, how come no pellets guns were used then? What made this procession different that the police chose to use guns?

You really think there hasn’t been a difference between the way Indian government and media has dealt with Muslim events and Hindu events?

How come no guns were used here? Also were the people attending this event also demonized by the media like the TJ people were?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-52322645
 
The topic is Muslims in India and Pakistan. Out of 200 million Muslims in Pakistan, how many millions have taken refuge in India?

Muslims in India are being killed for walking cows, how many in Pakistan were attacked as if they were Jack going to sell his cow for some magic beans?

Interesting it's the anti-Islamic and RSS brigade who seem to beleive in such delusions. :)

Atleast few of them taken refuge in India but the fact remains not a single Indian muslim had ever or will ever choose to go and live in Pakistan. Forget about Indian muslim, given a choice a Brit Pakistani like you will never go and live in Pakistan. India is extremely safe for all religious minorities. You are just going by biased media which has no semblance of reality.
 
Muslims are safer in India than Pakistan? Who said that? Arnab? Yogi? or Swami? How many muslim cities names have been changed in Pakistan recently? How many people got mob lynched in Pakistan? :inti
 
Atleast few of them taken refuge in India but the fact remains not a single Indian muslim had ever or will ever choose to go and live in Pakistan. Forget about Indian muslim, given a choice a Brit Pakistani like you will never go and live in Pakistan. India is extremely safe for all religious minorities. You are just going by biased media which has no semblance of reality.
Bhaijaan it seems to me that you are actually making fun of India here. I mean even you know that India is not safe for muslims. :inti
 
Muslims are safer in India than Pakistan? Who said that? Arnab? Yogi? or Swami? How many muslim cities names have been changed in Pakistan recently? How many people got mob lynched in Pakistan? :inti

Why will Pakistan change Muslim city names? :))

Mob lynching is a shameful thing going on in India. But how many Muslims have fallen to murder based on religious affiliation shows the true picture.
 
Why will Pakistan change Muslim city names? :))

Mob lynching is a shameful thing going on in India. But how many Muslims have fallen to murder based on religious affiliation shows the true picture.

Exactly. So why will muslims feel unsafe in Pakistan? Isn't Pakistan a muslim country? :inti
 
Atleast few of them taken refuge in India but the fact remains not a single Indian muslim had ever or will ever choose to go and live in Pakistan. Forget about Indian muslim, given a choice a Brit Pakistani like you will never go and live in Pakistan. India is extremely safe for all religious minorities. You are just going by biased media which has no semblance of reality.

Who are these people and was their reason because they felt unsafe being a Muslim?

Im planning on living in Pakistan in the next decade, dont guess when you dont know anything. Its a beautiful country and one of the reasons is when im older , I'd like to practice my religion. Pakistan is an amazing country for Muslims to live, I love the sufi tradition too.

I'd never want to live in India as a Muslim, imagine being attacked for walking my cow, no thanks.

Its time anti-Islam haters on this forum accept the OP quote by a poster is foolish.
 
Muslims in Pakistan can eat beef, roam around freely with their cows and can take selfies with them, they don't have to chant 'Jai Shri Ram' either to save their lives from mental mob brigade of bhakhts. Also they don't have to prove they are patriotic again and again. If you are saying that they are safer in India then kindly prove these above points wrong. :inti
 
Exactly. So why will muslims feel unsafe in Pakistan? Isn't Pakistan a muslim country? :inti

Very strange the RSS brigade. I feel for you bro having to living under such a governing regime and having to deal with their weird supporters.

We both know the BJP would love to cleanse all Muslims from India, it's a wet dream of theirs but they also know in reality will never happen, so use discrimination inc into laws to keep their dreams moist.
 
Shias, Ahmedis beg to differ. Not to forget Hindus and Christians.

There will always be differences between each religion that doesn't mean they will leave their country for a place where they can be mob lynched for not chanting 'Jai Shri Ram'. :inti
 
Very strange the RSS brigade. I feel for you bro having to living under such a governing regime and having to deal with their weird supporters.

We both know the BJP would love to cleanse all Muslims from India, it's a wet dream of theirs but they also know in reality will never happen, so use discrimination inc into laws to keep their dreams moist.

It's a harsh truth. You can see their loyal supporters like Joshila who hates both Indian and Pakistani muslims from the bottom of his tiny little heart.
 
Who are these people and was their reason because they felt unsafe being a Muslim?

Im planning on living in Pakistan in the next decade, dont guess when you dont know anything. Its a beautiful country and one of the reasons is when im older , I'd like to practice my religion. Pakistan is an amazing country for Muslims to live, I love the sufi tradition too.

I'd never want to live in India as a Muslim, imagine being attacked for walking my cow, no thanks.

Its time anti-Islam haters on this forum accept the OP quote by a poster is foolish.

You didnt answer my question. If muslims are safer in Pakistan and India is hell for them, why not a single Indian muslim ever took the step of moving to Pakistan. Where as we have examples like Adnan Sami, Tarek Fateh etc moved to India?

Its easy to sit in internet and claim, India is getting unsafe for muslims. But I would want to see a practical live example of an Indian muslim moved to Pakistan becasue India is unsafe. Just 1.
 
You didnt answer my question. If muslims are safer in Pakistan and India is hell for them, why not a single Indian muslim ever took the step of moving to Pakistan. Where as we have examples like Adnan Sami, Tarek Fateh etc moved to India?

Its easy to sit in internet and claim, India is getting unsafe for muslims. But I would want to see a practical live example of an Indian muslim moved to Pakistan becasue India is unsafe. Just 1.

I can't understand why anyone would waste time with someone who would used him as an example to support their 'talking point" argument, " why aren't Muslims of India migrating to Pakistan", lol.

Tarek Fateh, once criticize Sarfraz Ahemd for wearing Pakistani traditional outfit to meet the Queen of England, this is just one of many example, this guy talk to you because you have been conform to believe him to be correct, and he is cashing on it, hilarious.
 
You didnt answer my question. If muslims are safer in Pakistan and India is hell for them, why not a single Indian muslim ever took the step of moving to Pakistan. Where as we have examples like Adnan Sami, Tarek Fateh etc moved to India?

Its easy to sit in internet and claim, India is getting unsafe for muslims. But I would want to see a practical live example of an Indian muslim moved to Pakistan becasue India is unsafe. Just 1.

Tarek Fateh is grifter.

Hardly a shining example of migration from Pakistan to India.
 
Atleast few of them taken refuge in India but the fact remains not a single Indian muslim had ever or will ever choose to go and live in Pakistan. Forget about Indian muslim, given a choice a Brit Pakistani like you will never go and live in Pakistan. India is extremely safe for all religious minorities. You are just going by biased media which has no semblance of reality.

This is why I doubt if you are actually Indian or someone trying to make India look bad. I mean your post especially the bolded part sounds like a parody.

I mean it’s one thing to argue that India treats their minorities better than Pakistan but to say India is extremely safe for minorities is borderline delusional.

I mean are news reports of lynchings and riots wrong? Are reports of religious persecution by reputable human rights organizations made up? Who do you want people to trust, international human right groups or a known liar like Tarek Fateh lol?
 
You didnt answer my question. If muslims are safer in Pakistan and India is hell for them, why not a single Indian muslim ever took the step of moving to Pakistan. Where as we have examples like Adnan Sami, Tarek Fateh etc moved to India?

Its easy to sit in internet and claim, India is getting unsafe for muslims. But I would want to see a practical live example of an Indian muslim moved to Pakistan becasue India is unsafe. Just 1.

Pakistan doesnt allow anyone from India to enter unless it's for religious reasons, sporting or diplomatic. There are 200 million Muslims in India, why do they need to run to Pakistan when they only have to stand up to vegetarians with sticks? A minority ruled over majority of Hindus, so why run off now?

Adnan Sami and Fateh lol. They are both ISI :)

Give me names of ordinary Muslim families who have seeked asylum in India.
 
Tarek Fateh is grifter.

Hardly a shining example of migration from Pakistan to India.

I have never said India is a shinning example, infact far from it. But my point is, if OP has opened a thread...he must back it with some stats. Which official stats or data claims India is unsafe for muslims?

First of all Human Right index ranking of India is 94 which is better than that of Pakistan. Second, there are no law in India that support state discrimination against muslims. As per law, every Indian (irrespective of religion) have equal rights. There is a reson muslims have been Indian president, bollywood stars or cricket team captains. Can a hindu/religious minority become President or PM in Pakistan? How many minorities are a part of Pak cricket team historically?

As far as cow lynchings are concerned, these are crimes and like any other murder, there is a state law to deal with it. India is a country of 1.5 billion people and if you do the maths, what percentage of muslims are getting lynched for cows?

I have no issues if OP says its his opinion that India is more unsafe. But opinions are just that...opinions and not facts.
 
[MENTION=152021]Rajdeep[/MENTION]. Adnan Sami is settled in India because of Bollywood. India’s movie industry is one of the biggest in the world , so it’s not a surprise to see a musician move their for work. This is no different to how a lot of Canadian actors move to the US despite Canada overall having better living standards.

As for Tarek Fateh, he is small time anti-Muslim bigot who works/worked for a tabloid in Toronto. His rabid views about Muslims made him really popular in India hence he moved there. He was mostly a nobody in Canada and some in India treated him a like A-list celebrity because of his anti-Muslim views so no surprise he settled there.

BTW Fateh is not someone who you should be to proud to have in your country. That guy is proven liar.

https://www.altnews.in/tarek-fatah-a-case-study-of-unrelenting-divisive-misinformation/
 
Atleast few of them taken refuge in India but the fact remains not a single Indian muslim had ever or will ever choose to go and live in Pakistan. Forget about Indian muslim, given a choice a Brit Pakistani like you will never go and live in Pakistan. India is extremely safe for all religious minorities. You are just going by biased media which has no semblance of reality.

One of the most ignorant posts i have ever seen. All 4 of my grandparents were Indian Muslims who left Uttar Pardesh.

Millions of other Indian Muslims were either forced or voluntary choose to come to Pakistan. Pakistan then banned migration of Indian Muslims, a few years after partition.

Indian Muslims do not have a choice of migrating to Pakistan.
 
I agree that India is secular by constitution. We do not have laws discriminating based on Religion, caste or sex. But everything is carried out subtly in India. Like hidden racism in the West.

Pakistan on the other hand has laws made against its minorities.

Hindus and other minorities in Pakistan get a quota in parliament, and in jobs. That is discrimination on the basis of religion as well. Do you think Pakistan should get rid of that? Do you think that is fair to Muslims?
 
Ahmadis are definitely safer in India. Other than in 2020 Muslims are safer in Pakistan than in India. 2020 Pakistan is different than Pakistan from 2006 to 2016.
 
'Not Charity, Right': Supreme Court's Big Alimony Order For Muslim Women

A divorced Muslim woman can seek alimony from her husband under Section 125 of the Code of Criminal Procedure - the law related to maintenance for wives - the Supreme Court ruled today. The big judgment came as a bench of Justice BV Nagarathna and Justice Augustine George Masih dismissed a Muslim man's petition challenging a direction to pay his wife maintenance after divorce.

"We are hereby dismissing the criminal appeal with the major conclusion that Section 125 would be applicable to all women and not just married women," Justice Nagarathna said. Justice Nagarathna and Justice Masih delivered separate, but concurrent, judgments.

The bench made it clear that the law for seeking maintenance applies to all married women, irrespective of their religion.

Section 125 broadly says a person with sufficient means cannot deny maintenance to their wife, children or parents.

Maintenance is not a matter of charity but a fundamental right of married women, the court said. "This right transcends religious boundaries, reinforcing the principle of gender equality and financial security for all married women," it added.

"Some husbands are not conscious of the fact that the wife, who is a homemaker, is dependent on them emotionally and in other ways. Time has come for Indian men to recognise the indispensable role and sacrifices made by housewives for the family."

Rekha Sharma, chairperson of the National Commission for Women, has welcomed the judgment. "NCW Chairperson, Ms. Rekha Sharma, wholeheartedly welcomes the Supreme Court's landmark ruling affirming the right of Muslim women to seek maintenance under Section 125 of the CrPC. This decision is a significant step towards gender equality and justice for all women," the panel said in a post on X.

The Case, The Arguments

The landmark judgment has come on a petition by Mohd Abdul Samad, who was directed by a family court to pay a monthly allowance of ₹ 20,000 to his divorced wife. Mr Samad challenged the direction in Telangana High Court. The high court upheld the direction to pay maintenance, but modified the amount to ₹ 10,000. He then moved the Supreme Court. His counsel argued that divorced Muslim women can seek recourse to the Muslim Women (Protection of Rights on Divorce) Act, 1986 Act and stressed that it provides much more than what Section 125 CrPC does. He also argued that a special law -- referring to the Act -- shall prevail over a general law.

Amicus Curiae Gaurav Agarwal countered that the personal law does not take away a woman's entitlement to relief under the gender-neutral CrPC.

The History, The Significance

To understand the significance of this judgment, there is a need to go back to the Shah Bano case in 1985. In this landmark verdict, the Supreme Court had ruled that Section 125 of CrPC applies to everyone, irrespective of their religion. This was, however, diluted by the Muslim Women (Protection of Rights on Divorce) Act, 1986, that stated that the Muslim woman can seek maintenance only during iddat -- 90 days after the divorce.

In 2001, the Supreme Court upheld the Constitutional validity of the 1986 Act, but ruled that the obligation of a man to provide maintenance to his divorced wife extends till she remarries or is able to support herself. Today's order further consolidates a divorced woman's order to seek alimony under CrPC, irrespective of her religion.

 
Which Muslims are safer in Pakistan?

Ahmedi Muslims?


Shia Muslims?

Apparently Pakistan doesn’t have discriminatory laws against its own citizens.

I guess it’s a matter of pride for the majority Muslim sect not to target its own members.
That is not a correct categorization. They are not Muslims.

But yes, they are not safe in Pakistan which is unfortunate. All Pakistanis should be safe in Pakistan regardless of their faith.
 
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