Why are Muslims always losing?

[Major]

Owned for what?? LOL. The victim mentality here is so pervasive - no wonder the Islamic countries are in the state they are in now with no hope and a grim future .

What victim mentality are you talking about?
You are accepting that Indians Ill treat muslims. But when a poster calls that out how is that victim mentality?

This is your original post:

"Then why do posters crib non stop about Islam being under threat 24/7 and how Muslims are ill treated in Ind etc etc . If its divine, nothing can threaten it right ?? So, why all the insecurity and under threat statements??"

 

[sweep_shot]

You are justifying it. You are accepting that India mistreats muslims but you dont have an issue with that, your issue is why posters highlight that.

So your issue is not with the actual problem but problem but people pointing out tht problem.

What do you mean no discussion. This is a discussion I am having with you, and explaining you in the nicest way possible how your argument if flawed.

Some of these Indians are truly astonishing.

They can dish it out but can't take it.

 

[Farhan The Man]

India will damage itself and go down the Pakistan route if they make decisions based on religion.

Indias growth is its nationalism, but if India goes down the route of Hindu Nationalism they will be on path towards self destruction like Pakistan have.

Yup. Yes. And Yup. india is already damaged. With religion first approach.

It defies sanity. How can one not learn the lesson. Just next door.

islamic replublick of pakistan. Ibrat da nishan. Yet a role model for india.

 

[deltexas]

What victim mentality are you talking about?
You are accepting that Indians Ill treat muslims. But when a poster calls that out how is that victim mentality?

This is your original post:

"Then why do posters crib non stop about Islam being under threat 24/7 and how Muslims are ill treated in Ind etc etc . If its divine, nothing can threaten it right ?? So, why all the insecurity and under threat statements??"

Please read it again for comprehension. I said posters here crib about it- as in accuse or make an accusation. Posters who have no idea accuse with no basis. What part of that is difficult to understand??

 

[Stewie]

how are we any closer if something is after 3000 or 5000 years after?

When people talk about about end times are near they are talking as if world is ending next year.

Once again, what matters is what you can prove.

I just said it was prophesized. You can take it or leave it. But you cannot disprove (or prove) it either.

You will lose your argument here, no matter which angle you look from it. You can disagree with it, sure. Just going to leave it here.

 

[Farhan The Man]

Once again, what matters is what you can prove.

I just said it was prophesized. But you cannot disprove (or prove) it either.

Mental gymnastics at its finest here.

Others have to prove their assertion. Since it matters to you.

But you don't have to prove your own hyperbole prophesies. Since you are going to "leave it here".

 

[Stewie]

Mental gymnastics at its finest here.

Others have to prove their assertion. Since it matters to you.

But you don't have to prove your own hyperbole prophesies. Since you are going to "leave it here".

Ignorance at its best as well in your post.

I don't have to prove anything. Why do I have to prove a prophecy? I just stated there is a prophecy. That is a FACT. I can prove the "existence" of a prophecy. I never said I believe it and that you should to. You can go sing a bhajan or ashlok or whatever it is you do on your karaoke machine for all I care.

 

[Farhan The Man]

I just stated there is a prophecy. That is a FACT. I can prove the "existence" of a prophecy.

No you can't. Since this "prophesy" is hearsay.

Someone told something to someone, who heard it from someone else. 200 years after. Let's have someone write it down. With a disclaimer this could be untrue.

A sordid game of chinese whispers. This collection of narrations.

 

[rpant_gabba]

Even in this thread the responses that you will see are two kinds of responses.

More than half of the people have fallen in a delusion that countries that are Muslims are in some test. Because of that test countries that have Muslim majority are losing. Point being, they still wont accept that its their religious way of thinking that stopping them...

Than there are people that view the world as West vs Muslim World.

You take religion out, things will improve.

I like to bash Indians alot around here, but truth be told, Nationalism > Religious Nationalism.

Religious Nationalism leads you to no where.

there very few things you and I will agree on. This I agree with.

Religion was crutch in early days of the civilization. Now its an albatross around the neck.

You will enjoy this episode.

 

[SpiritOf1903]

Maybe have beened inflitrated

 

[Stewie]

No you can't. Since this "prophesy" is hearsay.

Someone told something to someone, who heard it from someone else. 200 years after. Let's have someone write it down. With a disclaimer this could be untrue.

A sordid game of chinese whispers. This collection of narrations.

You are just proving me right by talking about it. You do realize that don’t you? Lol

 

[Farhan The Man]

You are just proving me right by talking about it. You do realize that don’t you? Lol

Prefixing/suffixing LOL is a sign of insecurity.

Don't just blurt rumored prophesies, and "leave things there".

Without expecting a rebuttal. From others.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Because of being Muslims.



Western countries have come out waiting for divinity to strike. They know how to run economies and how money, investing in science and technology helps your country.

Perfectly put, Allah is not coming to lift the hard yards for muslims. Muslims have forgotten to use their brains they are hoping prophet Muhammad will come on a white horse or Allah will come and take them to victory over the kaffirs, unfortunately reality doesn't work that way.

One of the underlying problems in the sub continent for the muslims I feel are the Madrassas. These brain washing buildings are where young minds are being polluted and making them brainless. Planting seeds of divine intervention and hope for a fairy land after death....

Muslims.at the current rate barring the ones from the rich Arab countries will struggle in the future to come..

 

[rpant_gabba]

You are just proving me right by talking about it. You do realize that don’t you? Lol

whats is the difference between a prophecy and a prediction by a drunk at local watering hole?

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

whats is the difference between a prophecy and a prediction by a drunk at local watering hole?

Predictions by a drunk have higher probability of coming true!

 

[Romali_rotti]

Whats with taking a jibe at our God and our Prophet? Why you trying to mention them in a disrespectful way?

Isn't God and prophet part of divine intervention?

 

[HalBass9]

Perfectly put, Allah is not coming to lift the hard yards for muslims. Muslims have forgotten to use their brains they are hoping prophet Muhammad will come on a white horse or Allah will come and take them to victory over the kaffirs, unfortunately reality doesn't work that way.

One of the underlying problems in the sub continent for the muslims I feel are the Madrassas. These brain washing buildings are where young minds are being polluted and making them brainless. Planting seeds of divine intervention and hope for a fairy land after death....

Muslims.at the current rate barring the ones from the rich Arab countries will struggle in the future to come..

No!

WhatsApp University strikes again. You’ve been in threads with actual Muslims here, but I guess when you never mingle with any in real life, it’s easier to ignore that most Muslims blame this mess on Western backed dictators and their own corrupt leaders. But sure, keep schooling us from your WhatsApp syllabus.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Yes very true brother. We need to worship in the Arabian gods so we can hopefully become a Pakistan or Bangladesh one day Inshallah

 

[Hikaru]

In my personal humble opinion, Islam will continue to lose. Islamic world is going backwards and the trend only seems to be gaining momentum. I am afraid the worst is yet to come.

 

[emranabbas]

I think as stupid to worship any god. Just want to point out the hypocrisy of Muslims. If you don’t like it, toughshit

Let's agree to disagree

How does muslim hypocrisy effect you that you have to but in, in every muslim matter? Or is just you showing your hate for muslims online because you can't do it in real life because someone will clap you out ?

 

[RexRex]

I was reading about this news on another thread about Iran closing 50,000 out of its existing 75,000 mosques due to decreasing number of muslims in that country .. and it reminded me of a debate i watched recently on youtube where a Pakistani-Canadian blogger said about one-third of Pakistan's youth have left Islam.

Given that the act of apostasy invites death penalties by courts in Pakistan, we'll never get the true figure but I have a feeling it's true. Muslims in Pakistan are losing hope.

 

[emranabbas]

I was reading about this news on another thread about Iran closing 50,000 out of its existing 75,000 mosques due to decreasing number of muslims in that country .. and it reminded me of a debate i watched recently on youtube where a Pakistani-Canadian blogger said about one-third of Pakistan's youth have left Islam.

Given that the act of apostasy invites death penalties by courts in Pakistan, we'll never get the true figure but I have a feeling it's true. Muslims in Pakistan are losing hope.

Can’t speak for Iran, but when it comes to Pakistan, that’s just a lot of nonsense. No one here is losing hope.

 

[HalBass9]

Ok, I was wrong..

Actual Muslim like you have now convinced me that muslims are the smartest ppl on earth and thier countries are some of the most prosperous out there, see Pakistan and Bangladesh ..

You lot are a lost cause....

Oh, don’t flatter yourself. I wasn’t trying to convince you of anything. You’re not that important, especially if you’re conveniently ignoring the leadership crisis in Pakistan.

I was simply using your unintelligent comment to highlight a very real issue, brain drain. The recent residency match stats speak for themselves.

But let’s be honest, we both know what really fueled your comment.

 

[RexRex]

Can’t speak for Iran, but when it comes to Pakistan, that’s just a lot of nonsense. No one here is losing hope.

But are a lot of people there leaving Islam ?

 

[Romali_rotti]

Oh, don’t flatter yourself. I wasn’t trying to convince you of anything. You’re not that important, especially if you’re conveniently ignoring the leadership crisis in Pakistan.

I was simply using your unintelligent comment to highlight a very real issue, brain drain. The recent residency match stats speak for themselves.

But let’s be honest, we both know what really fueled your comment.

This is your problem, all I see is muslims making excuse after excuse.

Oh it's the evil West, it's our corrupt leaders lol.

Every leadership in the world is corrupt, and almost every 3rd world country in the West has challenges dealing with the West. Join the queue....

But that's OK you make sure you keep those Madrassas going along with cousin marriages, great combination for a bright future..

 

[HalBass9]

This is your problem, all I see is muslims making excuse after excuse.

Oh it's the evil West, it's our corrupt leaders lol.

Every leadership in the world is corrupt, and almost every 3rd world country in the West has challenges dealing with the West. Join the queue....

But that's OK you make sure you keep those Madrassas going along with cousin marriages, great combination for a bright future..

Oh look, the guy who dreams of slaughtering humans over his beliefs liked your post, congratulations, you’ve officially peaked.

No, the West isn’t evil. I live here. It’s democracy, work ethic, and rights for all that make it better than the world’s so-called largest democracy, where folks were still chasing railway tracks in the dark to take a dump until the West handed out H1B visas like golden tickets.

Sure, the West wants to keep its grip on power, who wouldn’t? But don’t insult our intelligence by pretending their fingerprints aren’t all over the chaos in the Muslim world. And let’s not ignore that the same cousin marrying Muslim you love to mock comes to the West and outperforms after studying in the very countries you write off.

Now, do you finally get the point? Or are you still silently stewing, unable to admit what @uppercut screamed out loud?

 

[Stewie]

whats is the difference between a prophecy and a prediction by a drunk at local watering hole?

What is the difference between an atheist and a believer? We have been down that road before, no point in debating. Feel free to not believe this, my comment was for the believers to begin with. Its rather simple.

 

[Stewie]

Prefixing/suffixing LOL is a sign of insecurity.

Don't just blurt rumored prophesies, and "leave things there".

Without expecting a rebuttal. From others.

LOL LOL LOL

Indeed. Now educate yourself on the prophecy I mentioned. I did not make it up. With the name like yours, one would be lead to believe you have been educated on such matters. Either you are putting on a show or the name is fake.
If you want to debate this, go to a scholar of Islamic traditions. I am just writing about what I read. The prophecies are not laws of physics that can be proven. That is why it is called "faith", once again a topic that has been beaten to death here.

You don't have to believe it, and for sure don't have to ask others to prove it.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Oh look, the guy who dreams of slaughtering humans over his beliefs liked your post, congratulations, you’ve officially peaked.

No, the West isn’t evil. I live here. It’s democracy, work ethic, and rights for all that make it better than the world’s so-called largest democracy, where folks were still chasing railway tracks in the dark to take a dump until the West handed out H1B visas like golden tickets.

Sure, the West wants to keep its grip on power, who wouldn’t? But don’t insult our intelligence by pretending their fingerprints aren’t all over the chaos in the Muslim world. And let’s not ignore that the same cousin marrying Muslim you love to mock comes to the West and outperforms after studying in the very countries you write off.

Now, do you finally get the point? Or are you still silently stewing, unable to admit what @uppercut screamed out loud?

Lol ok

You finally convinced me that Madrassas and Cousin marriages are not the cause of the problem in muslim communities.

Matter of fact I now feel muslims in Pakistan and Bangladesh are faultless and nothing is their fault.

Please accept my humble apology ...

 

[HalBass9]

Lol ok

You finally convinced me that Madrassas and Cousin marriages are not the cause of the problem in muslim communities.

Matter of fact I now feel muslims in Pakistan and Bangladesh are faultless and nothing is their fault.

Please accept my humble apology ...

Don’t flatter yourself, your relevance ranks right next to a lynched Muslim in India on your outrage scale, nonexistent.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Who is winning currently, when did they start winning, and how long have they won?

Many of the Indians commenting have fled their living god motherland and married white women; their next generations are no longer Hindus. Their kids are now called Jessica and Steven. Have they won?

80 years ago, European Jews were being slaughtered by Hitler, seen as sub-human and put in gas chambers. Before that, these Jews were expelled from every land throughout history. For 30 years, Israel has been a technological marvel; some even hold the belief that Jews run the world. Are Jews, therefore, winners?

For over 300 years, Hindus have been at the bottom of the food pile. Since 2010, they have built a nice city in Bangalore and rebuilt the temple where Lord Rama was born. Are they winning now?

Greece and Rome were the center of the world and are now bankrupt.

3 years ago, the same Hindus jacking off to Bangladesh ( a Muslim country) and labeling them a success at the expense of Pakistan are now calling it an Islamist failed state; nothing has changed apart from a puppet leader being removed. Do we take their word that Muslims have now lost?

When discussing a religious belief we cannot shift the frame of reference and start/finish depending on what is convenient.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

Just sharing a genuine authentic take, tries to cover a lot:

 

[Suleiman]

Many Muslims want to have their cake and eat it too. They want to retreat from the Dunya, but then get frustrated when the Dunya dominates them.

It’s two extremes really. One extreme wants to just be called Muslims by name, but basically copy + paste western values even at the cost of compromising Islamic values. Accuse Muslims of “wasting time” on religion and burdening resources but then spend their day debating about maps with neighboring countries’ folk.

And then the other extreme think if you only sit in a corner and make dua and put in no effort into achieving anything that you will just be handed success.

Truth is there’a nothing wrong with focusing on dunya because part of Islam is honoring your duties in this world.

Even though the thread is about Islam you have Hindu bandar jumping up and down fed their Hindutva propaganda in this thread because their country has been doing well for a few years. And props to them, truly. But it’s just been what? A decade or so? Not even?

How long did Muslims see success by adhering to Islamic values? How much of the world did they influence? How much land did they acquire that prospered under them? For what? A 1000 years or so in total? Hmm.

 

[deltexas]

I was reading about this news on another thread about Iran closing 50,000 out of its existing 75,000 mosques due to decreasing number of muslims in that country .. and it reminded me of a debate i watched recently on youtube where a Pakistani-Canadian blogger said about one-third of Pakistan's youth have left Islam.

Given that the act of apostasy invites death penalties by courts in Pakistan, we'll never get the true figure but I have a feeling it's true. Muslims in Pakistan are losing hope.

Iran is a peculiar country. The people in that country are very warm and welcoming and they absolutely hate the religious mullahs overpowering their lives. Such a disconnection. Tehran is a fantastic place to visit. The younger gen is so tuned out from the religous suffocation. For all the hate iran gets worldwide due to the Khomenis-- irsn is one country that can be a successful islamic democracy. Bush maybe should have invaded iran instead of iraq of lhad decided to go to war no matter what.. bush was the biggest idiot ever..

I have lots of hope for Iran - made some great friends there both men and women and before the Islamists jump in- the women in Iran are very knowledgeable- great memories with groups of friends we made there.

 

[deltexas]

I was reading about this news on another thread about Iran closing 50,000 out of its existing 75,000 mosques due to decreasing number of muslims in that country .. and it reminded me of a debate i watched recently on youtube where a Pakistani-Canadian blogger said about one-third of Pakistan's youth have left Islam.

Given that the act of apostasy invites death penalties by courts in Pakistan, we'll never get the true figure but I have a feeling it's true. Muslims in Pakistan are losing hope.

It's true. Here you go. Old timers fondly remember the "Zamaan E Shah" before the Ayatollah Islamic revolution . No wonder it mimics my experience as in the above post::

50,000 mosques have closed in Iran - Are Iranians seeking truth outside of Islam? - All Arab News

Unrest and distrust of the Islamic government are leading many away from Islam; Evangelical broadcasts and ministries are leading many to Christ

allarab.news

 

[Farhan The Man]

I am just writing about what I read. The prophecies are not laws of physics that can be proven. That is why it is called "faith"

That's your fallacy.

You never questioned the harmful indoctrination. And accepted it at face value. RE: lakeer da fakeer.

I chose the hard approach. Of my right as ashraf-ul-makhlookat. Using my mind to derive intelligence.

Surely you are equipped similarly.