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Are Pakistan the biggest chokers in cricket?

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- Asia Cup final
- World Cup semi-final
- World Cup final

All in the space of a year.
 
South Africa be like,

"Tumlog khelo choker choker, aur hum Netherland se must win game me haar kar bahar ho jaate hai".

"You guys(India and Pakistan) play choker choker and we get knocked out by Netherland of all teams" :facepalm :inti
 
This is an unnecessary reaction. It wasn't their day, but they did fight till the end. I think it's a great announcement that Pakistan is back, and in a big way. And once you tweak your teams balance a bit, you'll do even better
 
Silly thread.

There was a massive gulf in batting quality between the two teams and Pak was still able to make a match out of it.
 
If anything they are over achievers in terms of batting skills they have and more generally lack of game awareness and planning. There were better sides in this tournament which couldn't make it to the final.
 
With a invisible middle order Ifty & co waaay overachieved in this tourney !!
 
Hardly a choke. They reached the final by way of a minor miracle. On Australian wickets..with no batting. The better team won on the day.
 
No, we shouldn't have made past the group stage in the first place.

Our batting is worse than England, Australia, New Zealand, India and Sri Lanka.
 
chaltahai said:
This is an unnecessary reaction. It wasn't their day, but they did fight till the end. I think it's a great announcement that Pakistan is back, and in a big way. And once you tweak your teams balance a bit, you'll do even better
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Its just another flash in the pan. Will be back to mediocrity soon.
 
No. It's a capability issue. Batting is their Achilles heel. But their bowlers perform in all conditions. Another 20 runs here or Ben Stokes runout by Rauf and we'd be talking if England are chokers. This game was way closer than what people will think after looking at the score card.
 
Not every loss in a final is a choke, some on here are obsessed with that word, we were 20 runs short, and too many batsmen got out to the same shot hitting to the longest boundary
 
Not at all. In fact we punch far above our weight so quite the opposite.
 
Saari duneya hi choker hai phir to. How many countries win all the trophies? It’s a silly thing to say.
 
Chokers are teams who don't fight and roll over in one sided games.....while Pakistan in all these mentioned games actually fought really well. And they tend to rise in tournaments after early failure and when majority write them off so such a team is not categorised by choker tag. There is one famous team which is now wholly deserve the choker crown #meninblue
 
Do you even know in what context choke is used? It’s when they choke from a winning situation.

Apart from the Asia Cup final, are losses were from situations were Pakistan did not look in the driving seat to win. Also, why are you using stats from a decade ago, doesn’t make sense.
 
One thing is for sure Our Batters choke big time in these type of games. Bowling always do its job
 
chaltahai said:
This is an unnecessary reaction. It wasn't their day, but they did fight till the end. I think it's a great announcement that Pakistan is back, and in a big way. And once you tweak your teams balance a bit, you'll do even better
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Its just another flash in the pan. Will be back to mediocrity soon.
 
Its not a choke if youl ose to best team in the tournament,if anythingPakistan overach9eved the tournament bar the Zimbabwe game. Don't forget Pakistan lost their best bowler after half of his bowling quota, and had to rely on part time spin bowler. Pakistan should be blamed only for Asia Cup final.
 
Ab Fan said:
South Africa be like,

"Tumlog khelo choker choker, aur hum Netherland se must win game me haar kar bahar ho jaate hai".

"You guys(India and Pakistan) play choker choker and we get knocked out by Netherland of all teams" :facepalm :inti
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Agreed. The biggest chokers have to be South Africa. Pakistan comes nowhere close.
 
ex-q-zit said:
This thread is about current team not teams from 5 or 13 years ago.
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There is no such thing as whether the current team is a choker or not.

If we talk on the basis of current team, in every icc tournament, there is one winner and 15 losers. So this argument makes no sense.

We have ICC trophies, so we are not chokers
 
No they are not.

We were 20 short with the bat and had absolutely no luck whatsoever in the field.
It was fine margins and could have gone either way
 
SM1989 said:
Its just another flash in the pan. Will be back to mediocrity soon.
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Cannot be flash in pan when you got to Asia cup final, beat NZ in tri series and win all games after Zimbabwe loss to qualify for final. Team does need to inject better players in batting, especially middle order. Nawaz and Shada cannot save you all the time.
 
No they are not.

We were 20 short with the bat and had absolutely no luck whatsoever in the field and then Shaheen's injury.
It was fine margins and could have gone either way
 
A choker has to be better team than the opponent to be considered as chokers. Pakistan is not at same level as England and this loss wasn't choking by any means.
 
It's not like Pakistan froze in the crunch moments. Chokers usually do freeze like Indian bowlers in the semis and SAF batters against Netherlands.
 
To be a choker you have to be one of the favourites at the start of the tournament. How many people had Pak reaching the finals at the start of the tournament? Most had semis as a ceiling.
 
not chokers, have done decently considering how poor pakistans batting is. hopefully pak can find some young batters over the next few years, and the bowling keeps developing as it is.
 
ChennaiFan said:
A choker has to be better team than the opponent to be considered as chokers. Pakistan is not at same level as England and this loss wasn't choking by any means.
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Did you see the recent series we played against them. We are definitely at a similar level if not as good as them.
 
All Countries are Chockers at different level . No one is exempted from this
 
Stewie said:
Did you see the recent series we played against them. We are definitely at a similar level if not as good as them.
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England T20 batting is on a different level to Pakistan's,and Butler nor Stokes played in that series.
So Pakistan lost to better team.
 
Lol no! Underdogs can't really be chokers.

Asia Cup isn't really a big tournament tbh. The only good thing about it is India-Pak matches.
 
No.

Choke is when you lose from winning position. pakistan was never in winning position, not before start of play and not since first ball was bowled.

so choking is not a reason. came up against better world champion deserving number 1 side, with top bowling (with injury hampering whatever little chance maybe there to miraculously defend 138) but with average batting that performed below expectation (this same batting with a little less brainless approach going for sixes at mcg and instead getting 15 more singles out of 46 dot balls could have got par score for pitch).
 
they might throw away a game or two from winning position but overall they do punch above their weight in tournaments.
chokers were SA, are IND.
 
IMMY69 said:
No they are not.

We were 20 short with the bat and had absolutely no luck whatsoever in the field and then Shaheen's injury.
It was fine margins and could have gone either way
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Oh yes

England leaving 6 first teamers back home or on the bench wasnt bad luck on their side
 
This wasn’t a choke but Asia Cup final was. Everyone was winning matches batting second, Pakistan had a modest total to chase, Sri Lanka conceded 15 runs without bowling a ball and we still bottled it.
 
Absolutely not chokers! They were lucky to get into the knockouts, bowled like champions in the semi finals like they very often do, and delivered their usual pathetic batting performance in the final.
Pakistani batting is quite poor outside of Asian conditions and it has been consistently poor everywhere else. So again, not expected to be in finals, so not a choke.
 
Pakistan messed it up in the last 4 overs.137 is a low score.A score of around 160 May have been challenging on this pitch but who knows England could have still won.They bat deep.
 
Two semis and one final lost in space of 13 months and that too despite the biggest possible slice of luck going their way in the world cup ( NL beating SA) to help the team sneak in to knockouts.
Guess qualifies for choker tag number 1 ranking.
On other hand i had predicted ENG would win the cup at the start .Now i got feeling ENG gonna win soccer world cup as well next month
 
It feels like chokers but lets see how they do in future tourneys. For me Asia Cup is the biggest choke we had them at 50-5 if im not mistaken, and we had 10 free runs gifted to us as well and still could not win.

Granted sri lanka played really well but we should have won that match.

England was always favorite however when Shan smacked livingstone, we had momentum but babar wicket and maiden over turned the match. Its a choke in the sense Pak was on course to make 155 maybe 160.
 
Simply getting to finals or semis doesn’t mean you’re a choker lol.

Losing to a minnow is a choke- which we did. Zim

Losing from a virtually unlosable position is a choke- which we also did. India.

How does this qualify under the above? We were never in a dominant position to win. Maybe we would’ve had our batsmen batted a little smarter and put up 10-20 more runs on the board.

The game was the lost at the toss more or less. If Eng came into bat, they would’ve collapsed to 130-140 as well. The disadvantage of batting first here is not knowing what a good score is.
 
PakPremi said:
England T20 batting is on a different level to Pakistan's,and Butler nor Stokes played in that series.
So Pakistan lost to better team.
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So?
We didnt have Afridi either. And we also did not have Fakhar who was out injured.
These are idiotic excuses. Pakistan is the only team that can compete with England in t20 at the moment. The other teams withered away quite easily in one sided clashes. Apart from us, SA would be third. Let’s not try to make it sound like the gulf between the two teams is immense and the result was as expected. I would like to see how many other teams make a fist out of 130-140 sort of totals in T20 cricket these days. They were the better team today so they won and credit to them. But Pakistan had shown we can compete, despite of being inconsistent. And the recent bilateral series result is evidence to that.
 
Mamoon said:
This wasn’t a choke but Asia Cup final was. Everyone was winning matches batting second, Pakistan had a modest total to chase, Sri Lanka conceded 15 runs without bowling a ball and we still bottled it.
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Yes, I agree. The Asia Cup final was a choke. Here in this WC, the better team won while the other team tried hard.
 
Huh, Netherland - SA should ring a bell.
 
Stewie said:
Did you see the recent series we played against them. We are definitely at a similar level if not as good as them.
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No, I didn't watch it but followed a bit online. England had rested a few of their key players and Pakistan did not have Afridi. Pakistan's pace bowling unit is better. But England's superior batting, decent spin and pace bowling, and very good strategies/tactics make them the best LOI team. They are cut above the rest.
 
SA are bigger chokers. We throw away a WC every other year. Time for some strong individuals in the team rather than pushovers like Babar, Rizwan and Nawaz.
 
No.
That honor goes to South Africa for always being on eof the favorites and never reaching a final

and India
who barring last years T20 WC have reached every knockout of an ICC world tournament in the last 8 years and failed. Pakistan have only just started reaching those knockout stages
 
Not at all, before the start of the world cup
Pakistan had not won a single T20 on Australian soil and it continued during 1st week of world cup as well after zimbabwe loss.

England were firm favorites before the final so this was not choke in any definition.
 
AFGHANISTAN have joined the chokers club officially, they had some trials like Naseem roasting them twice but Maxwell made sure their entry is sealed in the prestigious club at the grandest level in historic Wankede.

Welcome to the club! :kallis
 
Kianig89 said:
AFGHANISTAN have joined the chokers club officially, they had some trials like Naseem roasting them twice but Maxwell made sure their entry is sealed in the prestigious club at the grandest level in historic Wankede.

Welcome to the club! :kallis
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Not a choke just freakish innings. This has been a successful WC for them
 
Nope. They are not chokers. They are predictable in their unpredictability.

Only South Africa is the choker team. You may say India too if they fail to win this World Cup (haven't won an ICC trophy since 2013).
 
sweep_shot said:
Nope. They are not chokers. They are predictable in their unpredictability.

Only South Africa is the choker team. You may say India too if they fail to win this World Cup (haven't won an ICC trophy since 2013).
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India failed mostly when they chased. CT final, 2019 wc, 2015 wc. Most teams will face issues while chasing in a knock out. Definitely achieved far less than they should have since 2010. Should have won atleast 5 tournmanet given the absolute domination in the league phases. Nobody is even remotely close. 3 times better than the nearest team

Since 2010, CT & World cup performances by teams. Lost just 6 matches since 2010. Won two tournaments.
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Biggest chockers no.

That credit is shared for india, South Africa and Afghanistan.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
India failed mostly when they chased. CT final, 2019 wc, 2015 wc. Most teams will face issues while chasing in a knock out. Definitely achieved far less than they should have since 2010. Should have won atleast 5 tournmanet given the absolute domination in the league phases. Nobody is even remotely close. 3 times better than the nearest team

Since 2010, CT & World cup performances by teams. Lost just 6 matches since 2010. Won two tournaments.
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Bro - from 2013 Ind hasn't won a single icc tournament. With the amount of resources talent and international exposure Ind has they should have won more icc tournaments. From 2013 - there have been 8 icc events - Ind got into 5 sf 2 finals 1 league exit - after dominating the league phase.. Sorry but just not good enough. We totally underperformed and guys c as n use the C word or whatever- but that's a pretty poor outcome. Ind should have won atleast 3 or even 4 of these 8 icc events...league stage dominance is irrelevant if we are not going on to win the events. Hopefully ind will correct this at this year's WC and 24 T20wc and 25 ct..
 
They're the biggest anti-chokers. Choking is when a team plays excellently throughout a tournament but bottles it towards the end. Pakistan plays poorly (their full potential) throughout the tournament, but then some magic and qudrat ka nizam bails them out every time. The learning that follows failures gets lost in the process.
 
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Pakistan is a talentless, unprofessional and mentally weak team. Therefore, they cannot be categorized as chokers but they are not expected to win in the first place.

In other words, no team should be losing to Pakistan as long as they get their basics right and play to their 90% potential. Pakistan will get in its own way.

In other words, you have to play exceptionally poor cricket to lose to Pakistan.

In other words, if India/Australia/England/New Zealand/South Africa and even Afghanistan bring their A game, they would beat Pakistan 10/10 times even if Pakistan brings its A game.
 
deltexas said:
Bro - from 2013 Ind hasn't won a single icc tournament. With the amount of resources talent and international exposure Ind has they should have won more icc tournaments. From 2013 - there have been 8 icc events - Ind got into 5 sf 2 finals 1 league exit - after dominating the league phase.. Sorry but just not good enough. We totally underperformed and guys c as n use the C word or whatever- but that's a pretty poor outcome. Ind should have won atleast 3 or even 4 of these 8 icc events...league stage dominance is irrelevant if we are not going on to win the events. Hopefully ind will correct this at this year's WC and 24 T20wc and 25 ct..
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Yeah if anything you could say India is the biggest chokers because they have a much more talented and stacked group of players than we have and this has been the case for a while now. Let’s be honest, with the amount of talent they have they should have many more trophies to show for it since 2013.

We can’t be called chokers as we are never expected to win. We spent most of the 2010s low in the rankings and to our credit we out performed what was expected of us on many occasions. For example, no one expected us to make the T20 WC final last year.
 
Mamoon said:
Pakistan is a talentless, unprofessional and mentally weak team. Therefore, they cannot be categorized as chokers but they are not expected to win in the first place.

In other words, no team should be losing to Pakistan as long as they get their basics right and play to their 90% potential. Pakistan will get in its own way.

In other words, you have to play exceptionally poor cricket to lose to Pakistan.

In other words, if India/Australia/England/New Zealand/South Africa and even Afghanistan bring their A game, they would beat Pakistan 10/10 times even if Pakistan brings its A game.
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Mentally weak & unprofessional, yes.

Tallentless, no.
 
deltexas said:
Bro - from 2013 Ind hasn't won a single icc tournament. With the amount of resources talent and international exposure Ind has they should have won more icc tournaments. From 2013 - there have been 8 icc events - Ind got into 5 sf 2 finals 1 league exit - after dominating the league phase.. Sorry but just not good enough. We totally underperformed and guys c as n use the C word or whatever- but that's a pretty poor outcome. Ind should have won atleast 3 or even 4 of these 8 icc events...league stage dominance is irrelevant if we are not going on to win the events. Hopefully ind will correct this at this year's WC and 24 T20wc and 25 ct..
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I say the same. India is too superior in each one of the tournament not to win a few more. The 15 minute madness every time cost India the cup. I think chasing doens't work for us in these events. High time they defend something. Just because they don't win anything we shouldn't undermine their consistency. THat is very very difficult for almost all teams
 
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