Are Pakistanis concerned by or enjoying the demise of India as a nation in the 21st century?

[Bhaijaan]

I hope they are concerned. That is what i expect from Pakistanis of today who are progressive and growing rapidly.

I am an Indian and with every passing day i feel like i am dying a little from the inside seeing my country deteriorate during its most crucial phase.

Growing up in the 90s, we used to be a forward looking and progressive country. We were far from perfect but we were not the mess we are now.

I remember times when my internet Pakistani friends would confess they aspired Pakistan to follow India. Now even i wish Pakistan looks the other way and aspire to be a much better country.

I dreamt of an India that would be an inspirational story for many nations. Instead i am ashamed to be an Indian today.

We are a country which has allowed hatred to consume us and turn us into behaving like Orcs and Trolls.

We were a country which used to fight for its pride on the battle field. Now we are a country which beats up innocent Kashmiri students in campuses.

From Nehru and Gandhi, we have reduced ourselves to follow uneducated extremist war mongers like Modi.

Sometimes i wish this was all a bad dream and that i wake up in the 90s once again in an India which wants to take the right steps and do the right things.

 

[Bhaijaan]

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[Rafa]

POTD ( Decade ) for me.

Respect.

 

[Bewal Express]

PK has started on a difficulty journey but Modi has started to destroy Ind from within with his extremist behaviour.

 

[rhony]

I hope they are concerned. That is what i expect from Pakistanis of today who are progressive and growing rapidly.

I am an Indian and with every passing day i feel like i am dying a little from the inside seeing my country deteriorate during its most crucial phase.

Growing up in the 90s, we used to be a forward looking and progressive country. We were far from perfect but we were not the mess we are now.

I remember times when my internet Pakistani friends would confess they aspired Pakistan to follow India. Now even i wish Pakistan looks the other way and aspire to be a much better country.

I dreamt of an India that would be an inspirational story for many nations. Instead i am ashamed to be an Indian today.

We are a country which has allowed hatred to consume us and turn us into behaving like Orcs and Trolls.

We were a country which used to fight for its pride on the battle field. Now we are a country which beats up innocent Kashmiri students in campuses.

From Nehru and Gandhi, we have reduced ourselves to follow uneducated extremist war mongers like Modi.

Sometimes i wish this was all a bad dream and that i wake up in the 90s once again in an India which wants to take the right steps and do the right things.

Good post. Look at the world man including the US. Hardliners have hijacked politics. Bias, hate are spewed by media companies. My dad tells me about the 60s Iran and even Afghanistan and how progressive they were. Pakistan at the same time was more progressive than India. Look at Syria a few years and look at that once proud nation now in ruins. The decades of right wing politics have ruined the beautiful middle East and a lot of countries. There were lessons to be learned and instead progressive countries like US and India are going down the wrong path pandering to the lowest common denominator. World is a crapper now.

 

[cricket geek]

Were you living in bubble in nineties ? Romanticising of pacifism is interesting.

 

[Mir jibran]

I hope they are concerned. That is what i expect from Pakistanis of today who are progressive and growing rapidly.

I am an Indian and with every passing day i feel like i am dying a little from the inside seeing my country deteriorate during its most crucial phase.

Growing up in the 90s, we used to be a forward looking and progressive country. We were far from perfect but we were not the mess we are now.

I remember times when my internet Pakistani friends would confess they aspired Pakistan to follow India. Now even i wish Pakistan looks the other way and aspire to be a much better country.

I dreamt of an India that would be an inspirational story for many nations. Instead i am ashamed to be an Indian today.

We are a country which has allowed hatred to consume us and turn us into behaving like Orcs and Trolls.

We were a country which used to fight for its pride on the battle field. Now we are a country which beats up innocent Kashmiri students in campuses.

From Nehru and Gandhi, we have reduced ourselves to follow uneducated extremist war mongers like Modi.

Sometimes i wish this was all a bad dream and that i wake up in the 90s once again in an India which wants to take the right steps and do the right things.

i wish we had many more indians like you
atleast u have the guts to show up and take a stand for innocent kashmiris
i guess u belong to south of India which has always been my favourite part of the country

 

[90MPH]

Fantastic post freelance and I agree.

This is the thing, the Kashmir insurgency was at its peak during the 90s and no doubt that the Pakistani intelligence apparatus was helping them during that time but India still behaved in a very mature way.

They still had dialogue with Pakistanis politically, cricket was still being played at least in neutral venues and artists were still
Crossing over.
This is because India knew they still had to talk to resolve the conflict. It wasn’t perfect and of course there were those that wanted blood and war on both sides but it’s nowhere as close as bad as it is now.

Now the millitancy has dropped significantly with very minimum help from Pakistans military industrial complex compared to 20 years ago, but of course there are still separatists and some of them still will want an armed conflict.

The bottom line is You have to talk to your enemies to resolve a conflict. Drain the swamp so you don’t give oxygen to the militants who say armed action is the only way forward. Now this man who committed this attack was a local Indian Kashmiri - ask the questions what drove him to commit such an attack.
That is what some pro Indian Kashmiri leaders are telling the Indian media machine but no they still just want to take the easy route and blame Pakistan.

These are the reactions of a very immature nation. These actions by the current Indian government will achieve noting, I guranteee you that because history has shown it never works.

But it will definitely give power to those who perpetrated the attack in Kashmir because they know if they strap explosives in one vehicle it can derail everything or make things worse.

 

[Canford Cliffs]

i wish we had many more indians like you
atleast u have the guts to show up and take a stand for innocent kashmiris
i guess u belong to south of India which has always been my favourite part of the country

Maybe you have missed the tweet of Indian CRPF. Innocent Kashmiris should not be attacked anywhere in the country and if anyone doing so law will take action. But terrorists like this guy or Burhan Wani are not just inncent Kashmiris.

 

[JaDed]

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How many of the ones you tagged are right now living in Pakistan?

 

[JaDed]

I was going through National geographic documentaries of India in 80's and 90's , and lol this must easily be the most sane decade we have ever had, just that we have social media now.

 

[Slim]

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You missed me brother, i feel unwelcome.

 

[Mamoon]

Sure, the fastest growing economy in the world that has managed to develop modern industries and companies with global impact is in "decline".

 

[Bewal Express]

Sure, the fastest growing economy in the world that has managed to develop modern industries and companies with global impact is in "decline".

And who told they are the fastest growing in the world? Modi is losing the election because of the unemployment rate being the highest in 45 years and he tried to cover it up. You drool over the Inds but they are seeing the reality of his rule and hence the desperate attempt to play the anti Pak card with the false flag attack as confirmed by their own Gen

 

[Mamoon]

And who told they are the fastest growing in the world? Modi is losing the election because of the unemployment rate being the highest in 45 years and he tried to cover it up. You drool over the Inds but they are seeing the reality of his rule and hence the desperate attempt to play the anti Pak card with the false flag attack as confirmed by their own Gen

Multiple international forums.

Secondly, unemployment and poverty are India's two biggest problems indeed, but they are a consequence of over-population. Controlling their population growth is India's next biggest challenge, and if they can manage that, they can actually become a leading global power in the next 50 years. However, that is not a realistic proposition. Nevertheless, they have still managed to do exceptionally well considering the constraints.

 

[Varun]

Lol.

We're doing much better in the 2010s than in the 1990s.

 

[troodon]

I am no fan of right wing natioanalistic politics, but saying India was doing better in 80’s and 90’s is pathetic.

India in 80’s and 90’s was a pathetic country and begging for funds from Europe and America to stay a float. I have lived my childhood during that period and I would not want to live through that again.

From an economy of a mere 200 billion to 1.6 trillion in leads than 2 decades is no mean feat. However, thanks to the 1.4 billion people in India, the country looks like a dump compared to west.

 

[Varun]

From an economy of a mere 200 billion to 1.6 trillion in leads than 2 decades is no mean feat. However, thanks to the 1.4 billion people in India, the country looks like a dump compared to west.

This. If we could shave off a billion somehow - we'd still be the 2nd most populous nation in the world but would be much better off.

 

[Canford Cliffs]

And who told they are the fastest growing in the world? Modi is losing the election because of the unemployment rate being the highest in 45 years and he tried to cover it up. You drool over the Inds but they are seeing the reality of his rule and hence the desperate attempt to play the anti Pak card with the false flag attack as confirmed by their own Gen

Brazil and India are the fastest growing economy in the world. Our GDP is all time high in the present regime and so is FDI. We are producing CEOs for companies like Google and Microsoft. Our space programme ISRO is the 2nd best in the world and launched most successful Mars mission till date. We have the 3rd richest sports league in the world. And we have achieved all these within 72 years of independence.

In the same time frame, Pakistan couldnt even keep its country intact and had to break down into 2 pieces in 1971. A country that has become breeding ground for terrorists...so much so that worlds most wanted man was hiding few kilometers from military base. A country no cricket team travels and have to play their league outaide admist security concerns.

But yes, Pakistanis must enjoy decline of India

 

[cricketjoshila]

And who told they are the fastest growing in the world? Modi is losing the election because of the unemployment rate being the highest in 45 years and he tried to cover it up. You drool over the Inds but they are seeing the reality of his rule and hence the desperate attempt to play the anti Pak card with the false flag attack as confirmed by their own Gen

Who told you that Modi is losing elections? Every survey shows BJP as the single largest party.

 

[Madplayer]

Brazil and India are the fastest growing economy in the world. Our GDP is all time high in the present regime and so is FDI. We are producing CEOs for companies like Google and Microsoft. Our space programme ISRO is the 2nd best in the world and launched most successful Mars mission till date. We have the 3rd richest sports league in the world. And we have achieved all these within 72 years of independence.

In the same time frame, Pakistan couldnt even keep its country intact and had to break down into 2 pieces in 1971. A country that has become breeding ground for terrorists...so much so that worlds most wanted man was hiding few kilometers from military base. A country no cricket team travels and have to play their league outaide admist security concerns.

But yes, Pakistanis must enjoy decline of India

Comparing the best of India with worst of Pakistan. Typical

 

[Canford Cliffs]

Comparing the best of India with worst of Pakistan. Typical

I am comparing entire 72 years of Pakistan since its inception. Never in history, Pakistan was ahead of India in any areas. But the gap is only growing wider and will continue to do in future.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Yes indeed, India was a much better country in the 90s and i’d give it all to have it back to give ourselves just one more chance to correct things.

It is not the size of the economy today that makes India great. There are millions living in poverty now just as they did back in the day and for most of the employed youth life is far from perfect. India is simply an exploitive cheap labour economy. The call centres are air conditioned but for the middle class youth busting their bottoms day in day out in those corporate buildings, it is simply modern day slavery. Given a chance they’d give their right hand to be in a first world country where they get adequate time to spend with their loved ones along with fair wage.

So please do not come at me with your GDP numbers to preset a fake picture of how things are any better. Come at me when you have done something about the rich and poor divide or when you have done something about the poor human development score where India continues to linger at the bottom.

India of the 80s or 90s might hae had a little less but it for sure carried a lot more class and dignity than it does today and that is something any sensible neutral over here or elsewhere willtell you.

The way Indians are toying with the very fabric that has held the nation together for decades, it might not be too long before all the big collective numbers you all don’t stop bragging about fall flat on your faces.

The numbers are for as long as India is in the form it is today.

When India breaks apart on communal and regional lines, the numbers would be history.

Don’t be arrogant. Mind yourself while you still can.

Nations are all but some lines drawn in a map and we’re not r en at the 109 years mark yet. Far from it. Just 80 years ago India, Pakistan, Bangladesh all were part of one empire under the British. What makes you think troubles of today cannot result in further divisions?

The seeds of hatred you are sowing today, you’d all be fools to think you can escape from the wrath that awaits. In fact you are already witnessing the wrath of militancy as a direct result of your years of alienation of Muslims in India.

There is still time. Wake up. Contribute towards a better future by initiating dialogue and supporting Muslims/Kashmiris.

Beating up their children is not the solution.

Burning their vehicles and shops is not the solution.

India of the 80s/90s did not lose sleep over Pakistan playing cricket or their artists coming to India to perform.

India of the 80s/90s was not small hearted and mad maniac that it has become today and every Pakistani here will vouch for that.

India has been swept by a wave of hateful hindu extremism and the sooner they bring themselves out of this evil mess the better it will be for their health and future otherwise future generations of Indian kids will only regret over what nation they could have been if not for the stupid choices of their forefathers.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Modi’s popularity has dropped massively in India. Do not let the internet/media rhetoric confuse you. BJP lost its hindu heartland in 3 state elections recently to Congress. They barely managed to hold on to Gujarat and are already losing their sleep over SP-BSP coalition in UP ahead of the 2019 elections. Modi has been so terrible that BJP’s starting to lose its strongholds even in his first term. They were dreaming of creating a dynasty around Modi. He is clearly no Nehru or Indira or even Vajpayee.

Despite the above, Modi might win the 2019 elections. Why? Because Congress has rightfully realised they should not compromise their position as a national party by giving away too much to regional parties just for the sake of defeating BJP in 2019. Congress might just play the waiting game and use 2019 as a way to consolidate its position as a party that has emerged from the set back of 2014 and ready to take on BJP one on one in 2024. For the sake of Indian democracy I would say it is the ideal thing. It is clear to tame BJP, India needs Congress to remain a prominent national party capable of winning 175+ seats of its own minimum and that will not happen if Congress starts making compromises with regional parties. Congress would rather consolidate its seat share in the parliament and continue to sit in the opposition and lead it rather than become a small part of a coalition government worse than UPA.

 

[shaz619]

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I don't have an opinion on this but a few of the Indians who I do know from the nation itself that are studying here or working in the UK they are always doing all in there power not to return to India and want to settle in the UK

 

[PakLFC]

Not concerned at all rather I say it serves India right. I know many good and honest Indian people who say it's the right wing Pak hating Hindu fascists who are turning India in to the next Syria or Iraq. India has never wished well for any neighbouring country at all always creating problem after problem. It's idea of diplomacy is attempts to bully everyone in to submission until they accept it as being the superior. nation They truly are disillusioned thinking that Pak or China will give in to their demands. It stands on the brink of a massive civil war today not because of Pak rather it's own doing after all we are told that karma hits everyone regardless of religious belief. Now it seems it's India turn to suffer like other neighbouring countries have over the last twenty years due to Indian interference. I am afraid when India is flushed down the toilet the stink is gonna be so bad that everyone is gonna need a gas mask! Gandhi's dream of a non violent and peaceful India died a long time back, today's India is a hateful nation blaming others for it's fault when the likes of Modi are the real culprits. Soon India will not have to worry about GDP or economy at all as they'll be too busy killing each other.

India is now so consumed with hate that it's killing its own people for no reason! If it wants to build Ram Mandir then surely the court is responsible instead of the innocent Muslim people it is killing. It murders and rapes the Kashmiris then blames Pakistan when those people strike back!! The thing is that only the good Indian people can save their country now if someone listens to them. Sadly on Indian Illuminati political shows and even Bollywood the voices of reason are immediately are shut down as being unpatriotic.

 

[JaDed]

Comparing the best of India with worst of Pakistan. Typical

That's exactly how religion works as well, believers see the most positive in a religion compared to negative so what is typical here,typical human mindset?

 

[Slog]

Sure, the fastest growing economy in the world that has managed to develop modern industries and companies with global impact is in "decline".

Please learn facts before spouting uninformed posts

India is far from the fastest growing economy. Heck a simple google search would have helped

It is one of the fastest growing but countries are in the 8% range too

 

[Saeed]

Yes people are concerned about India demise/growth as if they have got nothing better to do.

 

[Bewal Express]

Please learn facts before spouting uninformed posts

India is far from the fastest growing economy. Heck a simple google search would have helped

It is one of the fastest growing but countries are in the 8% range too

The Ind growth figures have been massaged, like their unemployment figures. There is no doubt it is a fast growing economy but the growth figures are massaged for political purposes.

 

[Napa]

Who told you that Modi is losing elections? Every survey shows BJP as the single largest party.

Currently NDA is ahead of UPA, but doesn't have a majority on its own. If the government is able to handle the Pulwama situation correctly then NDA's prospects will improve.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Indian_general_election#Opinion_polling

India is currently the world's fastest growing major economy. Google "fastest growing major economy" and you will get multiple results which confirm this fact.

The progress India has made from the 1990s to now is easily understood by the changing composition of its exports, which now have significant amounts from modern industries like autos, pharma, machinery, software etc.

 

[Chokli]

I don't have an opinion on this but a few of the Indians who I do know from the nation itself that are studying here or working in the UK they are always doing all in there power not to return to India and want to settle in the UK

i can back this up, have an indian friend of mine who was studying in the uk... went back to india after his studies and was depressed as hell because he wanted to go back to the uk.

 

[Napa]

The idea of India being on the verge of breaking up is a fantasy of India haters.

Today the country is more stable and united then ever before. The greatest danger of India breaking up was during the 1960s (the Northwest) and the 1980s (Khalistan). The Sikhs of India (not those living abroad) have decisively repudiated the idea that they do not want to belong to India. I grew up in Delhi and have a large number of Sikh friends. There is no feeling in my group of friends, Sikh and non-Sikhs that we are not all Indians.

As for Kashmir, every terror attack only strengthens the resolve of India that Kashmir will remain a part of India. We cannot let our soldiers die in vain. If you look at history, the only time countries have fragmented is when the center has collapsed (as happened with Indonesia and Timor recently). Every year that passes, the Indian people are more united as more and more travel outside their state for work. The response to the recent Kashmir attack has strengthened the resolve of all Indians, irrespective of the region they are from, whether it be Assam, Tamil Nadu or Gujarat.

A country that is now a major economy, with $50 billion defense budget, $400 billion in forex reserves, $2.5 trillion GDP and its people united will not be defeated.

 

[PakLFC]

 

[PakLFC]

[MENTION=142162]Napa[/MENTION]

Your forefathers in the 1930's also insisted that "Pakistan will be formed over our dead bodies" so save your history lecture. We all know what happened afterwards!. Economy and all is off little use when you have 300 million living on the streets and no toilets. By the way need I tell you how many insurgencies you have to set the record straight. You are no spokesperson for the entire Sikh community just coz you know a few of them, most Khalistan supporters will never admit they want their own country to your face for safety reasons especially when living in places like Delhi. They feel more comfortable speaking their mind in Punjab where they are the majority. Your soldiers are dying in vein pal as seen some days back, what world do you live in?? Wake up and smell the coffee.

 

[Napa]

[MENTION=142162]Napa[/MENTION]

Your forefathers in the 1930's also insisted that "Pakistan will be formed over our dead bodies" so save your history lecture. We all know what happened afterwards!.

Actually my forefathers, who were from East Pakistan, didn't really care too much that the country was divided as they had already left for India.

Economy and all is off little use when you have 300 million living on the streets and no toilets.

Instead of worrying about where Indians do their business, you should try to improve the level of hygiene in your own country, which currently has the highest infant mortality rate in the world.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/163944...t-countries-still-face-alarming-risks-unicef/

By the way need I tell you how many insurgencies you have to set the record straight. You are no spokesperson for the entire Sikh community just coz you know a few of them, most Khalistan supporters will never admit they want their own country to your face for safety reasons especially when living in places like Delhi. They feel more comfortable speaking their mind in Punjab where they are the majority. Your soldiers are dying in vein pal as seen some days back, what world do you live in?? Wake up and smell the coffee.

I am indeed a spokesman for Sikhs who live in India simply because they are my people, just like Punjabis, Gujaratis, Tamils, Marathis are also my people. As you have not lived in India, or visit India regularly, you have no idea about the real situation there.

You are welcome to keep supporting Kashmiri terrorism. Pakistan loses a lot more than India from the resulting loss of security. You may not be aware, but your country is close to bankruptcy and staying afloat by taking loans from dodgy countries like SA and China. At this point you have fallen behind Bangladesh economically. Enjoy your coffee, I don't need any.

 

[PakLFC]

Actually my forefathers, who were from East Pakistan, didn't really care too much that the country was divided as they had already left for India.



Instead of worrying about where Indians do their business, you should try to improve the level of hygiene in your own country, which currently has the highest infant mortality rate in the world.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/163944...t-countries-still-face-alarming-risks-unicef/



I am indeed a spokesman for Sikhs who live in India simply because they are my people, just like Punjabis, Gujaratis, Tamils, Marathis are also my people. As you have not lived in India, or visit India regularly, you have no idea about the real situation there.

You are welcome to keep supporting Kashmiri terrorism. Pakistan loses a lot more than India from the resulting loss of security. You may not be aware, but your country is close to bankruptcy and staying afloat by taking loans from dodgy countries like SA and China. At this point you have fallen behind Bangladesh economically. Enjoy your coffee, I don't need any.

Does not matter if or not your forefathers cared at all. What matters is that Indian people at the time insisted there will never be a Pakistan but we proved you wrong! They say "history always repeats itself" and will do so again. Our population much much lower in numbers is manageable unlike yours where people do their private business on beaches! It reads "dogs not allowed" but it's okay for people to be doing their thing!

Unfortunately, I have visited India so you are wrong again! Know many Sikhs as well who want Khalistan as well as those who do not. They are always fighting like cats but the opening of the Kartarpur border has definitely put the cat among the pigeons. No you are not the spokesperson for 30 million people, you don't even speak for thirty of them! By the way I am not "worried" by India at all.

What loss of security when your soldiers are being nailed? It is your country who keeps on crying about the same thing of "Pakistani terrorism" when just a few days back Farooq Abdullah burst your nonsense, you must have seen what he said? No point in blaming us when you are making the lives of Kashmiris unbearable. Our country will survive as you will know things are getting much better however it takes time. We have imprisoned our corrupt ones like Nawaz where as you have a terrorist like Modi as PM. That is the difference between you and us. Now you will say the picture I have put on post 34 is also an ISI conspiracy.

 

[Napa]

Please learn facts before spouting uninformed posts

India is far from the fastest growing economy. Heck a simple google search would have helped

It is one of the fastest growing but countries are in the 8% range too

A google search actually shows that [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] is right. India is indeed the fastest growing (significant) economy in the world according to Google:



Maybe you were instead thinking of economic miracles like Ghana and Ethiopia.



https://www.theatlas.com/charts/BJOKD67VG

 

[slipcatch]

The idea of India being on the verge of breaking up is a fantasy of India haters.

Today the country is more stable and united then ever before. The greatest danger of India breaking up was during the 1960s (the Northwest) and the 1980s (Khalistan). The Sikhs of India (not those living abroad) have decisively repudiated the idea that they do not want to belong to India. I grew up in Delhi and have a large number of Sikh friends. There is no feeling in my group of friends, Sikh and non-Sikhs that we are not all Indians.

As for Kashmir, every terror attack only strengthens the resolve of India that Kashmir will remain a part of India. We cannot let our soldiers die in vain. If you look at history, the only time countries have fragmented is when the center has collapsed (as happened with Indonesia and Timor recently). Every year that passes, the Indian people are more united as more and more travel outside their state for work. The response to the recent Kashmir attack has strengthened the resolve of all Indians, irrespective of the region they are from, whether it be Assam, Tamil Nadu or Gujarat.

A country that is now a major economy, with $50 billion defense budget, $400 billion in forex reserves, $2.5 trillion GDP and its people united will not be defeated.

This melodrama Q.

What resolve? Humiliating more Kashmiri and alienating them?

Wake up .

 

[Napa]

Does not matter if or not your forefathers cared at all. What matters is that Indian people at the time insisted there will never be a Pakistan but we proved you wrong!

I guess you did not understand my post. Many Indians were ambivalent about Pakistan breaking away from India, and given the current state of Pakistan I would say they have been vindicated.

They say "history always repeats itself" and will do so again. Our population much much lower in numbers is manageable unlike yours where people do their private business on beaches! It reads "dogs not allowed" but it's okay for people to be doing their thing!

If indeed your population is "manageable", why is your infant mortality rate the highest in the world? Fact are stubborn things. Improve your level of hygiene before discussing whether Indians use toilets or not.

Unfortunately, I have visited India so you are wrong again! Know many Sikhs as well who want Khalistan as well as those who do not. They are always fighting like cats but the opening of the Kartarpur border has definitely put the cat among the pigeons. No you are not the spokesperson for 30 million people, you don't even speak for thirty of them! By the way I am not "worried" by India at all.

You may have visited India, but I have lived in India for decades. And you are severely delusional if you think the Kartarpur border opening is going to change the way Sikhs feel about being Indians.

What loss of security when your soldiers are being nailed? It is your country who keeps on crying about the same thing of "Pakistani terrorism" when just a few days back Farooq Abdullah burst your nonsense, you must have seen what he said? No point in blaming us when you are making the lives of Kashmiris unbearable. Our country will survive as you will know things are getting much better however it takes time. We have imprisoned our corrupt ones like Nawaz where as you have a terrorist like Modi as PM. That is the difference between you and us.

The difference between India and Pakistan is that one is growing at 7.5% and the other is growing at 4%. Given IK's inability to get the Army out of the economy, I expect Pakistan will keep exporting soccer balls and mangoes while India exports autos and pharma.

Now you will say the picture I have put on post 34 is also an ISI conspiracy.

Yes, the Sikh shopkeeper in your picture is quite upset that his country has been attacked. I guess he won't be joining your fantasy Khalistan movement anytime soon.

 

[junoon]

I might be wrong but as far as i am aware, the many millions who still live in poverty in india are mostly muslims and lower-caste dalit hindus.
They are the ones who are being kept out of benefiting from india's booming economy, and the upper-caste hindu ruling elite is not too concerned about their plight either

 

[PakLFC]

I guess you did not understand my post. Many Indians were ambivalent about Pakistan breaking away from India, and given the current state of Pakistan I would say they have been vindicated.



If indeed your population is "manageable", why is your infant mortality rate the highest in the world? Fact are stubborn things. Improve your level of hygiene before discussing whether Indians use toilets or not.



You may have visited India, but I have lived in India for decades. And you are severely delusional if you think the Kartarpur border opening is going to change the way Sikhs feel about being Indians.



The difference between India and Pakistan is that one is growing at 7.5% and the other is growing at 4%. Given IK's inability to get the Army out of the economy, I expect Pakistan will keep exporting soccer balls and mangoes while India exports autos and pharma.



Yes, the Sikh shopkeeper in your picture is quite upset that his country has been attacked. I guess he won't be joining your fantasy Khalistan movement anytime soon.

Oh I see! So those who said there will be no Pakistan were celebrating when it was eventually formed is what you are saying!! I did not say we don't have problems however they are much lesser then yours! Having visited both countries I can honestly say India is much more disgusting and filthy, it's beyond belief! You even make movies on toilets now!

The Kartarpur border is not gonna change but has already upset the apple card, ask Sidhu!! You can not kill the love Sikhs have for Pak coz it's there Mecca and Medina! I won't be surprised if many want to settle in Pak or apply for nationality when they visit for Baba Nanak's 550th birthday later in the year!. If we allowed it all 30 million would be coming over.

I see you are worried about our army again, nice one! It is noticeable how the Indian media always refers to it as "Pakistan's powerful army" for good reason of course. India's problem is that we have booted out Modi's friend Nawaz who did his bidding. Modi can no longer casually visit Pak for weddings or cups of tea neither can Jindal for that matter. It pains India to see our army and government on the same page, right?. I will give you credit for your better economy but exporting soccer balls or anything is not a bad thing!

I don't need to join the Khalistan movement being a Pakistani Muslim when the Sikhs are doing a fine. They will neither forgive nor forget the 1984 desecration of the Golden Temple no matter how much you try to brush it aside! So racially abusing Kashmiris is being patriotic when you first beat them up and blind them, now I have heard everything!. I look forward to seeing terrorist Modi's 56 inch chest he was boasting about being the embarrassment and illiterate fool he is.

 

[Slog]

A google search actually shows that [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] is right. India is indeed the fastest growing (significant) economy in the world according to Google:

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Maybe you were instead thinking of economic miracles like Ghana and Ethiopia.

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https://www.theatlas.com/charts/BJOKD67VG

Your own chart proves it’s not true

Stop adding qualifiers for mamoon lol. He can speak for himself or are you his groupie or sth

 

[Zorro]

India is doing all it can to improve the lives of citizens, it’s laughable that Pakistan citizens are making fun of Indian living conditions.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wa...umber-of-poor-people-in-the-world-nigeria-is/

Fastest growing economy, business friendly with emphasis on science and technology.

Comparing 1990’s to current India is a joke, P.V. Narahimha Rao had to use gold as collateral for forex. If anyone thinks 1990’s were better they are delusional and has ulterior motive period.

 

[Madplayer]

That's exactly how religion works as well, believers see the most positive in a religion compared to negative so what is typical here,typical human mindset?

I dont think so. You have compared apples and oranges.

 

[Madplayer]

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So only dogs are allowed. Okay.

 

[Napa]

The Kartarpur border is not gonna change but has already upset the apple card, ask Sidhu!! You can not kill the love Sikhs have for Pak coz it's there Mecca and Medina! I won't be surprised if many want to settle in Pak or apply for nationality when they visit for Baba Nanak's 550th birthday later in the year!. If we allowed it all 30 million would be coming over.

Leave a country that is economically booming and move to a country that is bankrupt? Also, you really have no idea about the Sikhs. Read their history, the reason why their religion was created, the lives of their ten Gurus and how they died. They are not moving to Pakistan.

Having visited both countries I can honestly say India is much more disgusting and filthy, it's beyond belief!

Facts about the infant mortality rates say otherwise.

I see you are worried about our army again, nice one! It is noticeable how the Indian media always refers to it as "Pakistan's powerful army" for good reason of course.

The Indian Army is a superb professional organization that does not interfere in civilian matters. You seem to not understand that the Indian media says "Pakistan's powerful army" to mean that it is powerful in the internal affairs of Pakistan.

The Indian Army is certainly not scared of the Pakistani Army, not after 120 Indian Jawans with a recoilless rifle held off 2,000 Pakistani soldiers with tanks.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Longewala

Or 95,000 Pakistanis surrendered without a fight in Bangladesh.

Or repeated tank battles where Indian armor crushed Pakistani armor.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Basantar
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Asal_Uttar
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Burki
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Chawinda

The Indian Army doesn't want a war with Pakistan and Pakistani dead are no consolation to the families of dead Indian soldiers. But the Indian Army certainly isn't afraid of the Pakistani Army.

India's problem is that we have booted out Modi's friend Nawaz who did his bidding. Modi can no longer casually visit Pak for weddings or cups of tea neither can Jindal for that matter. It pains India to see our army and government on the same page, right?. I will give you credit for your better economy but exporting soccer balls or anything is not a bad thing!

If you don't understand that your Army domination of the economy is holding your country back, there is no hope for you.

I don't need to join the Khalistan movement being a Pakistani Muslim when the Sikhs are doing a fine. They will neither forgive nor forget the 1984 desecration of the Golden Temple no matter how much you try to brush it aside! So racially abusing Kashmiris is being patriotic when you first beat them up and blind them, now I have heard everything!. I look forward to seeing terrorist Modi's 56 inch chest he was boasting about being the embarrassment and illiterate fool he is.

I did not say you were not going to join the Khalistani movement, I said the Sikh shopkeeper in the pic you posted was not going to join.

Just read what I have written, I don't see any point in engaging you further.

 

[PakLFC]

Leave a country that is economically booming and move to a country that is bankrupt? Also, you really have no idea about the Sikhs. Read their history, the reason why their religion was created, the lives of their ten Gurus and how they died. They are not moving to Pakistan.



Facts about the infant mortality rates say otherwise.



The Indian Army is a superb professional organization that does not interfere in civilian matters. You seem to not understand that the Indian media says "Pakistan's powerful army" to mean that it is powerful in the internal affairs of Pakistan.

The Indian Army is certainly not scared of the Pakistani Army, not after 120 Indian Jawans with a recoilless rifle held off 2,000 Pakistani soldiers with tanks.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Longewala

Or 95,000 Pakistanis surrendered without a fight in Bangladesh.

Or repeated tank battles where Indian armor crushed Pakistani armor.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Basantar
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Asal_Uttar
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Burki
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Chawinda

The Indian Army doesn't want a war with Pakistan and Pakistani dead are no consolation to the families of dead Indian soldiers. But the Indian Army certainly isn't afraid of the Pakistani Army.



If you don't understand that your Army domination of the economy is holding your country back, there is no hope for you.



I did not say you were not going to join the Khalistani movement, I said the Sikh shopkeeper in the pic you posted was not going to join.

Just read what I have written, I don't see any point in engaging you further.

We are not worshipping money like you people are, there are many more important things like faith to us! If you don't know how important Kartarpur is to the Sikhs then you know nothing. The world saw Sikhs crying with joy when they visited Kartarpur for the inauguration ceremony. They will only increase in numbers as the years pass by. The recent incident was also an attempt by Modi to stop that progressing any further.

Do you not know what disgusting means that you are talking about mortality rates that has nothing to do with it. How do you know what your media means when it refers to Pak army as being powerful?? I insist it shows its fear when using this term.

Shall I give you stories of how you went running to Israel for help during Kargil by your own press? I would rather read honest books like "Blood and tears" instead of wikipedia! Anyway the Pak was outnumbered in 71, there is no shame in losing to an army twice as large! In 1947 we broke you too pieces which still haunts BJP fascists, ask them who want "akhand Bharat" or watch this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGiTaQ60Je0 Yes we burned India for sure! You are used to believing in nonsense of ten soldiers fighting two million people, it's in your DNA!

We spanked you in 65 nice and hard so much that those who wanted to dine in Lahore never ate again! Oh I see so an army twice as big isn't afraid of Pak, you lot really are so brave!! What I am seeing on your media suggests the complete opposite to your claim of not wanting war so what is all that about! You are no one to complain about military expenditure when your army spends much more on arms then ours does but I understand that hypocrisy is what India is all about so no surprises there.

Have just seen that four more of your soldiers have been killed in IoK by someone on Monday morning! I am sure your media knows who the perpetrators were much before your brainwashed soldiers were killed. Not going to join what exactly was the shop keeper? Oh don't run away now just when I am beginning to settle in!!

 

[Napa]

Your own chart proves it’s not true

Stop adding qualifiers for mamoon lol. He can speak for himself or are you his groupie or sth

Okay, dude! India is not the fastest growing economy. Ethiopia and Ghana are growing faster. Happy now?

 

[Slog]

Okay, dude! India is not the fastest growing economy. Ethiopia and Ghana are growing faster. Happy now?

Yea. Thats what the facts are.

As I said no need to fabricate stats and make inaccurate claims

 

[Greenstorm]

India is in a better position than ever before.

 

[slipcatch]

India is in a better position than ever before.

Elaborate please

 

[Greenstorm]

Elaborate please

Economically they are in a better position and as a result they can spend a lot on their defence and insurgencies abroad. They are even building dams in Afghanistan . They have a decent presence in international media that generally tows their line and that is a major advantage in modern world. Also they have managed to keep the wars out of their borders thus creating stability which brings foreign investment and prosperity. Their cricket team isn't bad either .

Only issue for India is its massive population and its a big issue which will always hold them back.

I also believe that 10 years of Imran Khan along with sane military leadership can take us to a similar position if not better.

 

[IAJ]

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So now the Kashmiris are not Indians anymore? And then they go on and say Kashmir is part of India. Seems like the poor guys are confused.

 

[PakPremi]

Yes indeed, India was a much better country in the 90s and i’d give it all to have it back to give ourselves just one more chance to correct things.

It is not the size of the economy today that makes India great. There are millions living in poverty now just as they did back in the day and for most of the employed youth life is far from perfect. India is simply an exploitive cheap labour economy. The call centres are air conditioned but for the middle class youth busting their bottoms day in day out in those corporate buildings, it is simply modern day slavery. Given a chance they’d give their right hand to be in a first world country where they get adequate time to spend with their loved ones along with fair wage.

So please do not come at me with your GDP numbers to preset a fake picture of how things are any better. Come at me when you have done something about the rich and poor divide or when you have done something about the poor human development score where India continues to linger at the bottom.

India of the 80s or 90s might hae had a little less but it for sure carried a lot more class and dignity than it does today and that is something any sensible neutral over here or elsewhere willtell you.

The way Indians are toying with the very fabric that has held the nation together for decades, it might not be too long before all the big collective numbers you all don’t stop bragging about fall flat on your faces.

The numbers are for as long as India is in the form it is today.

When India breaks apart on communal and regional lines, the numbers would be history.

Don’t be arrogant. Mind yourself while you still can.

Nations are all but some lines drawn in a map and we’re not r en at the 109 years mark yet. Far from it. Just 80 years ago India, Pakistan, Bangladesh all were part of one empire under the British. What makes you think troubles of today cannot result in further divisions?

The seeds of hatred you are sowing today, you’d all be fools to think you can escape from the wrath that awaits. In fact you are already witnessing the wrath of militancy as a direct result of your years of alienation of Muslims in India.

There is still time. Wake up. Contribute towards a better future by initiating dialogue and supporting Muslims/Kashmiris.

Beating up their children is not the solution.

Burning their vehicles and shops is not the solution.

India of the 80s/90s did not lose sleep over Pakistan playing cricket or their artists coming to India to perform.

India of the 80s/90s was not small hearted and mad maniac that it has become today and every Pakistani here will vouch for that.

India has been swept by a wave of hateful hindu extremism and the sooner they bring themselves out of this evil mess the better it will be for their health and future otherwise future generations of Indian kids will only regret over what nation they could have been if not for the stupid choices of their forefathers.

Admire your neutral views and considerable heart. You are one of my favourite poster as not only you try to be balance in your views but you also enjoy light heart banter quick makes reading your posts more amusing. Carry on with good work and let's find things to unite two countries than divide us, after all we are neighbours and have a lots common in our culture.

 

[shah_1]

There is communal hatered going on, I don't know to what extent but perentage is very high on social media. This is extremly dangerous for India. What Modi has managed to do in 5 years, Pakistan couldn't 1% in 66 years. Modi is the best thing for Pakistan establishment. He has sowed the seed of religion hate and it will continue to grow.

Muslims are over 200 million in india, it's a colossal demographics that can't be squashed or anything. The RSS and hindutva extermists are doing what Zia ul Haq did to Pakistan, you will see the long term effects.

 

[Mir jibran]

Maybe you have missed the tweet of Indian CRPF. Innocent Kashmiris should not be attacked anywhere in the country and if anyone doing so law will take action. But terrorists like this guy or Burhan Wani are not just inncent Kashmiris.

actions speak louder than words
crpf along with other armed forces have time and again misused their powers and harrassed common kashmiris. i can only laugh at their tweet

 

[CricketCartoons]

Shouldn't matter whether pakistanis rejoice or lament. indians should think if they are happy with the way things are going.

 

[GoUgandaCranes]

Normally, politics is something that I don't like posting about but since these days that's all we have going on in the timepass section, here are my two cents on it as well.

The progress of a nation isn't just about the numbers in financial sheets, but also the collective conscience of a nation that is living it's life on the ground. After living a little in Sweden, I've realized how socieities are built and how tolerance and understanding is at the heart of real growth. The motto, "no one should be left behind and social welfare for all" is the cornerstone of life in this country and it's such a beautiful thing to enjoy. I'm sure there are many flaws in the system here too but even if they are, they are considerably less than many countries.

This is how it works here, the elderly are cared for, the sick are cared for, the best of the society are given an opportunity to grow, the ones that fall behind are given protection and support. People are treated as people, regardless of what their skin color or religion is. The sole focus of the society is to give an equal opportunity to everyone living within the society without any discrimination.

That's a beautiful thing to have. A society where privilege isn't the only factor that decides what you can and can't be.

India has done well on the economic front. There's no denying that; India has produced scientists, engineers, doctors, sports personalities and elite thinkers throughout history but now they are being recognized all over the world. It's good and at times makes me envious as well.

There's however a problem that now this beautiful nation has to tackle, and that's basically challenging the status quo and questioning the beliefs that are being presented to them about their enemies. The next step in the evolution of the Indian nation in my point of view.

As someone who has grown up in Pakistan, I'd heard countless times that India is out there to get us. That the worst thing to happen to the world was India and it's secret agenda against Pakistan. I always fought those words and believed that there's more to people than a stereotyped image based on falsified propaganda. I feel the Indian kids have grown up to the same demonizing of Pakistan and a lot of them have dehumanized Pakistanis in general. Muhammad Ali Jinnah is seen as a demon, an evil person who broke India and created all this mess.

This book https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jinnah:_India,_Partition,_Independence (I know Wikipedia isn't a source but still) is something that should be read by people to get another perspective about Pakistan as well. It's a perspective, of course and it may be wrong but before hating the enemy, there's some merit to understanding the perspective as well.

Pakistan isn't really a failed state (yet), it hasn't done as well as India but it isn't also as bad as some people want it or make it to be. It's definitely not even close to the Bollywood depiction of Pakistan where old middle-aged mullahs are marrying teenage girls and rabid violent protestors are on the street with AK47's shooting at anyone without a beard or a woman out of her burka. We have issues, many of them and many of us are well aware of our own shortcomings. Our economy despite all the problems is still in the top 30 of the world on many major indicators. We may not have produced CEO for google but Pakistani scientists and doctors have helped shape the world as well. Our sports haven't been as glorious as they could have been but they also haven't been terrible. It's a country that has a young population and will achieve a lot more if it continues to have some stability.

We have made and are making errors considering the political climate. But at the same time, we are producing movements like PTM and people like Malala and Jibran Nasir who stand up and challenge the status quo. We know that our army has plundered but we also know that we can tow them in line. We don't go on saying janab twenty million times a day and chanting death to India slogans before we step out of our homes and back into them. Even PakPassion has some really good Pakistani posters who keep showing us the other side and make us challenge our daily ideology.

We may not have made a dent in history yet, and we may never really do it, but we have a chance and we are a capable enough nation to do that. The bottom line is, we are not as bad as some people want us to look like.

It doesn't please me one little bit that India is demonized in Pakistan. It saddens me a lot. The people of subcontinent deserve better from the governments of their respective countries. Majority of us just want to live, enjoy life, marry the people we love, and produce babies (in most cases) and then die with our loved ones at the side saying "beta hamaari umr main aik nazr main pata chal jaata hai k larkay aur larki k beech kia chal raha hai".

Wars look good in history books, and distant lands but when your own houses are burning, they don't feel so nice and peace is something that we should all strive for.

I hope sanity prevails in India and Pak. I hope that people on both sides understand that there's no gain in continuing the mindless fracass that has continued for seventy two years. I hope new money and old grudges don't shape our countries and the war mongers and hate spreaders are told to go hide into their little hateful dens. People deserve a chance to rise above hatred and differences and enjoy the common aspects of human existence.

Here's to hope. May it find a path to illuminate all the darkness that surrounds us.

 

[Napa]

Normally, politics is something that I don't like posting about but since these days that's all we have going on in the timepass section, here are my two cents on it as well.

The progress of a nation isn't just about the numbers in financial sheets, but also the collective conscience of a nation that is living it's life on the ground. After living a little in Sweden, I've realized how socieities are built and how tolerance and understanding is at the heart of real growth. The motto, "no one should be left behind and social welfare for all" is the cornerstone of life in this country and it's such a beautiful thing to enjoy. I'm sure there are many flaws in the system here too but even if they are, they are considerably less than many countries.

This is how it works here, the elderly are cared for, the sick are cared for, the best of the society are given an opportunity to grow, the ones that fall behind are given protection and support. People are treated as people, regardless of what their skin color or religion is. The sole focus of the society is to give an equal opportunity to everyone living within the society without any discrimination.

That's a beautiful thing to have. A society where privilege isn't the only factor that decides what you can and can't be.

India has done well on the economic front. There's no denying that; India has produced scientists, engineers, doctors, sports personalities and elite thinkers throughout history but now they are being recognized all over the world. It's good and at times makes me envious as well.

There's however a problem that now this beautiful nation has to tackle, and that's basically challenging the status quo and questioning the beliefs that are being presented to them about their enemies. The next step in the evolution of the Indian nation in my point of view.

As someone who has grown up in Pakistan, I'd heard countless times that India is out there to get us. That the worst thing to happen to the world was India and it's secret agenda against Pakistan. I always fought those words and believed that there's more to people than a stereotyped image based on falsified propaganda. I feel the Indian kids have grown up to the same demonizing of Pakistan and a lot of them have dehumanized Pakistanis in general. Muhammad Ali Jinnah is seen as a demon, an evil person who broke India and created all this mess.

This book https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jinnah:_India,_Partition,_Independence (I know Wikipedia isn't a source but still) is something that should be read by people to get another perspective about Pakistan as well. It's a perspective, of course and it may be wrong but before hating the enemy, there's some merit to understanding the perspective as well.

Pakistan isn't really a failed state (yet), it hasn't done as well as India but it isn't also as bad as some people want it or make it to be. It's definitely not even close to the Bollywood depiction of Pakistan where old middle-aged mullahs are marrying teenage girls and rabid violent protestors are on the street with AK47's shooting at anyone without a beard or a woman out of her burka. We have issues, many of them and many of us are well aware of our own shortcomings. Our economy despite all the problems is still in the top 30 of the world on many major indicators. We may not have produced CEO for google but Pakistani scientists and doctors have helped shape the world as well. Our sports haven't been as glorious as they could have been but they also haven't been terrible. It's a country that has a young population and will achieve a lot more if it continues to have some stability.

We have made and are making errors considering the political climate. But at the same time, we are producing movements like PTM and people like Malala and Jibran Nasir who stand up and challenge the status quo. We know that our army has plundered but we also know that we can tow them in line. We don't go on saying janab twenty million times a day and chanting death to India slogans before we step out of our homes and back into them. Even PakPassion has some really good Pakistani posters who keep showing us the other side and make us challenge our daily ideology.

We may not have made a dent in history yet, and we may never really do it, but we have a chance and we are a capable enough nation to do that. The bottom line is, we are not as bad as some people want us to look like.

It doesn't please me one little bit that India is demonized in Pakistan. It saddens me a lot. The people of subcontinent deserve better from the governments of their respective countries. Majority of us just want to live, enjoy life, marry the people we love, and produce babies (in most cases) and then die with our loved ones at the side saying "beta hamaari umr main aik nazr main pata chal jaata hai k larkay aur larki k beech kia chal raha hai".

Wars look good in history books, and distant lands but when your own houses are burning, they don't feel so nice and peace is something that we should all strive for.

I hope sanity prevails in India and Pak. I hope that people on both sides understand that there's no gain in continuing the mindless fracass that has continued for seventy two years. I hope new money and old grudges don't shape our countries and the war mongers and hate spreaders are told to go hide into their little hateful dens. People deserve a chance to rise above hatred and differences and enjoy the common aspects of human existence.

Here's to hope. May it find a path to illuminate all the darkness that surrounds us.

Very good post. I however fear that such voices of sanity are few and far between. A better understanding of both nations by the people will certainly help.

Growing up in India, though certainly the view of Pakistan was negative, it seldom entered into the conversation. That is only to be expected, as India is a much larger country.

 

[Canford Cliffs]

actions speak louder than words
crpf along with other armed forces have time and again misused their powers and harrassed common kashmiris. i can only laugh at their tweet

Not the common Kashmiris....the ones who take law in their hand and pelt stones at our army. In future also, they will be treated in similar manner. Ask your young Kashmiris to attend school and not pick guns. No one would attack then.

 

[GoUgandaCranes]

Very good post. I however fear that such voices of sanity are few and far between. A better understanding of both nations by the people will certainly help.

Growing up in India, though certainly the view of Pakistan was negative, it seldom entered into the conversation. That is only to be expected, as India is a much larger country.

Bravado, misconceptions, and hatred are easy to sell. Controversy gets ratings and attention. People want to have freedom of speech but very few want to understand and listen.

I guess that's the curse of our time, the time before us, and the time that will be here when we are gone.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I am enjoying the demise, but only because it's good to see that religious fundamentalism isn't restricted to Pakistan, seems it's more of a third world affliction regardless of where you live. India used to be seen as a spiritual haven where progressive ideas flourished, even the most ardent cheerleaders must be struggling to keep a straight face when they try to defend the current regime.

On the other hand, a genuinely progressive India would put immense pressure on Pakistan to keep up, so really when we celebrate their demise it is like a tramp celebrating the bad fortunes of the beggar.

 

[Balthazar]

Modi's demise will be inevitable. He has turned India into a cesspit of hate wherever you go. Some of his ideologies are truly damaging to the concept of an Indian nation.

 

[Stewie]

I think the OP is lumping everything together. India is not doing bad in ALL aspects but the rise of nationalism is a global phenomenon and is affecting a lot of countries including USA.

I think its just a cover for evil politicians to create division and playing to their base which happens to be the majority in most cases.

Overall its a troubling trend and humanity as a whole seems to be regressing to the pre world war mentality. Globalism is looked down upon and whether someone asmits it or not we are actually in a cold world war III right now.

 

[Stewie]

Humanity overall has weaponized politics into an ugly doomsday device.. every nation seems to be at loggerheads with someone or the other.. peace is very fragile right now.

 

[JaDed]

Humanity overall has weaponized politics into an ugly doomsday device.. every nation seems to be at loggerheads with someone or the other.. peace is very fragile right now.

No ,this is the most peaceful we have ever been the world I mean, I have already been owned in this conversation with [MENTION=97523]Buffet[/MENTION] .

 

[Realromeo]

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India as a whole is still an ignorant country. This is why things such as caste system still exists. I had high hopes for rest of the India but West and Northern part of India will forever be a crap hole cause it is filled with idiots that are on next level of stupidity. This is a great propaganda material.

 

[Realromeo]

Actually my forefathers, who were from East Pakistan, didn't really care too much that the country was divided as they had already left for India.



Instead of worrying about where Indians do their business, you should try to improve the level of hygiene in your own country, which currently has the highest infant mortality rate in the world.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/163944...t-countries-still-face-alarming-risks-unicef/



I am indeed a spokesman for Sikhs who live in India simply because they are my people, just like Punjabis, Gujaratis, Tamils, Marathis are also my people. As you have not lived in India, or visit India regularly, you have no idea about the real situation there.

You are welcome to keep supporting Kashmiri terrorism. Pakistan loses a lot more than India from the resulting loss of security. You may not be aware, but your country is close to bankruptcy and staying afloat by taking loans from dodgy countries like SA and China. At this point you have fallen behind Bangladesh economically. Enjoy your coffee, I don't need any.

People from 2 third world countries arguing about which one is less filthier than the other. Both have no idea about each other's country. [MENTION=142169]PakLFC[/MENTION] never went to India and [MENTION=142162]Napa[/MENTION] never went to Kashmir. Both of you are just embarrassing each other.

 

[JaDed]

India as a whole is still an ignorant country. This is why things such as caste system still exists. I had high hopes for rest of the India but West and Northern part of India will forever be a crap hole cause it is filled with idiots that are on next level of stupidity. This is a great propaganda material.

You have hopes of caste system being better in Southern India? Are you high? Have you been to TN or Andhra?

 

[Napa]

People from 2 third world countries arguing about which one is less filthier than the other. Both have no idea about each other's country. [MENTION=142169]PakLFC[/MENTION] never went to India and [MENTION=142162]Napa[/MENTION] never went to Kashmir. Both of you are just embarrassing each other.

You have a record of my travels? Your belief in your omniscience is amusing.

 

[Realromeo]

You have hopes of caste system being better in Southern India? Are you high? Have you been to TN or Andhra?

Are you illiterate ? I clearly said "caste system still exists" and "India as a whole is still an ignorant country". I can't speak of Andhra or Telengana but I can speak for Tamilnadu. It is faaaaaar more better than it was when I was growing up. Everything was fine until Mr.Modi's minions came along. Snatched "upper caste" people and made them more "Hindu" and more "Indian". Younger generation that did not know their caste started learning their caste. TN outside of Coimbatore is doing really well, especially in 2nd tier cities. 1st tier cities like Chennai will always be progressive, 2nd tier like Coimbatore, Trichy, Madurai will take some time. I'm happy with the progression of people in TN, Karnataka and Kerala. I don't have experience about Telengana or Andhra. We don't fall for baits like morons in Western India and UP.

 

[Realromeo]

You have a record of my travels? Your belief in your omniscience is amusing.

So go ahead tell me about your 5 years experience of living in Kashmir ?

 

[Snow]

As an Indian i am really ashamed how our fellow countrymen feel. There seem to have no reality left in their mind, where they think war will end up like a bollywood flick. There are so many examples of wars tearing up countries, millions losing homes and lives. If you really try to argue against the idea of war, you are being told you are desh drohi or libertard.

 

[Napa]

Are you illiterate ? I clearly said "caste system still exists" and "India as a whole is still an ignorant country". I can't speak of Andhra or Telengana but I can speak for Tamilnadu. It is faaaaaar more better than it was when I was growing up. Everything was fine until Mr.Modi's minions came along. Snatched "upper caste" people and made them more "Hindu" and more "Indian". Younger generation that did not know their caste started learning their caste. TN outside of Coimbatore is doing really well, especially in 2nd tier cities. 1st tier cities like Chennai will always be progressive, 2nd tier like Coimbatore, Trichy, Madurai will take some time. I'm happy with the progression of people in TN, Karnataka and Kerala. I don't have experience about Telengana or Andhra. We don't fall for baits like morons in Western India and UP.

It is silly to start making comparisons between different parts of India. TN is great in many ways, but is also the state where people commit suicide when their political leaders die. You are incredibly naive if you thought that young TN Brahmins were not very aware that they were Brahmins before Modi came along.

So go ahead tell me about your 5 years experience of living in Kashmir ?

Again, stop trying to be something you are not. It could be 15 and not 5 years for all you know.

 

[Mir jibran]

Not the common Kashmiris....the ones who take law in their hand and pelt stones at our army. In future also, they will be treated in similar manner. Ask your young Kashmiris to attend school and not pick guns. No one would attack then.

they ll be pelted with stones as long as they disrespect our mothers sisters and abuse their powers.
when u dont know abt the ground reality of kashmir u shouldn't bother to discuss and over glorify indian army

 

[JaDed]

Are you illiterate ? I clearly said "caste system still exists" and "India as a whole is still an ignorant country". I can't speak of Andhra or Telengana but I can speak for Tamilnadu. It is faaaaaar more better than it was when I was growing up. Everything was fine until Mr.Modi's minions came along. Snatched "upper caste" people and made them more "Hindu" and more "Indian". Younger generation that did not know their caste started learning their caste. TN outside of Coimbatore is doing really well, especially in 2nd tier cities. 1st tier cities like Chennai will always be progressive, 2nd tier like Coimbatore, Trichy, Madurai will take some time. I'm happy with the progression of people in TN, Karnataka and Kerala. I don't have experience about Telengana or Andhra. We don't fall for baits like morons in Western India and UP.

Ok lets get started on this, what is the meaning of progression?

Let me tell you about baits of TN since that's the example you have taken ,upper caste are hardly in power for last how many years I dont know but still Dharmpuri incident happened, Tamizhans keep blaming brahmins fair but Now after years of reservations 69% most Brahmins having moved outside still Vaaaniyar have issues with Dalits which have even caused Riots.

TN is so progressive that Govn of TN has taken over all profitable Hindu trusts but will dare not touch missionaries or Waqf boards.
The bait of UP might not be there bu the bait of how Brahmins exploit Tamizhans is still used by politicians across Dravidian parties,and let me not even get started on the Lankan war bait that keeps Vaiko relevant.

At best i can agree on Trichi being great, but Many cities in Maharashtra,Punjab,Gujarat are equally progressive now, this notion that Tamizhans have that TN is most progressive comes from not travelling outside much of their state unless its outside the country.

Also everyone knew their caste I work in IT been in Chennai 20 years and i can assure you everyone still knows their caste from TN and its a massive let down coz I assumed same things about TN growing up that you did.

Also you cant choose the worst example of UP/Bihar to paint a good picture of South.

 

[KingKhanWC]

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I dont enjoy the demise of any country. The only problem I have with India is their occuption and treatment of Kashmiri's.

My hope for India and Indians is to recognise on a people to people level Pakistani's are very similar and to have good relations.

The problem is Pakistan in terms of politics has taken over India now. Pak have elected a leader who isn't driven by extremist or greed, but simply wants to improve the lives of his people. While India has elected a religous extremist party which is taking the nation backwards.

I think if this trend continues for both nations, Pakistan will take over India in 2 decades in most areas of society.

 

[PakLFC]

People from 2 third world countries arguing about which one is less filthier than the other. Both have no idea about each other's country. [MENTION=142169]PakLFC[/MENTION] never went to India and [MENTION=142162]Napa[/MENTION] never went to Kashmir. Both of you are just embarrassing each other.

India is such a massive country in case it missed you. I have visited Delhi and Chandigarh! Don't ask to see my passport now.

 

[PakLFC]

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What to say when they can't even spell "repairing" correctly, the letter I is missing. Modi must be his English teacher! Their PM is an illiterate former tea seller where as ours is an Oxford graduate says it all.